That's what I was thinking; I know I've seen a few big guys carry one back onto a runway after it got blown into a rocky area. Looks like somebody had access to heavy equipment and wanted to play with it. To do it that way, they should have had a tag line off the nose going to a truck, and pull it out level as the crane comes down rather than just standing it on the nose the way they did.
Yep, that was truly painful to watch. I also don't know why anyone would think they need more than basic instruments in that Cub. It's an airplane, you have to actually fly it, it's not some kind of video game.
Would you mind describing the process of righting a cub with 4 guys and no damage? I’ve seen more videos of planes being craned onto their noses than I’d like. If we can get the knowledge of a better way circulating, it may help a lot of people and planes going forward.
@@tench745 Firstly, make sure that the mags and fuel are off, and tie a rope around the tail wheel.. Do not try this in windy conditions. One person on each wing tip, two people ‘walking up’ the tail until the mains are on the ground.. Then, have one person pull on the rope while the other three walk the tail back down.
Once upon a time I was at SFO in a empty 172 on a charter...it was blown over by strong winds coupled with prop blast from C130! Only the prop curled and beacon lite broke...like a leaf in the wind.then ground folks came out with a crane...wind and prop blast toppled on top of my 172! Totaled! I got an overseas flying job next day n left town!
I like the term I heard a few years ago. A great landing is one where you can reuse the airplane. Looks like they can reuse this one. The last time I flew myself, I landed an American Eagle ultralight. It wasn't reusable. That was about twenty five years ago.
Have a few hours in a J3. One of the funnest planes I’ve flown. That rudder never would’ve deflected like that if he used a lifting strap with a choker on it and not the block.😬 My dad had a 1938 J3 but lost it in a divorce to his non-pilot, ex-wife.🙄😡🤬🤯🤣🤷♂️ Glad it’s back in service! Enjoy that beauty!🤩🙏😊
i probably have a few dozen hours in 155WB. It just recently got fixed from this incident...if only it was still up for rent. (Of course, If only it could make it to a 100-hour inspection without needing major airframe repair from a landing incident. We can dream, I guess.)
The GA aviation world is very focused on spot landings, braking hard to make taxi-ways, comparing soft-field technique, measuring fuel burn down to the hundreth of a gallon per hour.... This causes unnecessary accidents and ego-measuring.
I agree. I was a crane operator for 20 years and have been a pilot for 46 years and own a 46 Piper Cub.I thought he was going to tear the rudder off the plane with that big load block, a single line with headache ball and a long rope keeping the hook away from the aircraft would have been better. Also swinging the boom more to the left and booming down would have kept the strain off the aircraft more. I have run that type of crane a few times and hate them. The cab does not move with the boom, you have to strain your neck to see what you are doing and it doesn't free swing, it is very jerky.I much prefer larger hydro cranes, large crawler cranes or Tower Canes. All said they did a decent job with what they had and looks like the damage was minimal.
Well I heard an instructor say one time a good landing is one you can walk away from a great landing is when you can reuse the plane again, not so in this case
So; non pilot (pilot hopeful if I can before Im too old). Any landing you can walk away from? Well if ya walked away from that; its technically a DECENT landing in my book. If the plane is repairable and will (did) fly again, its a good(ish) landing, but Id not be bragging about it.. All in all, good video, hope I never have to experience what the ;pilot must've experienced..
Lucky given the circumstances this J3 is fairly easily fixable! Sorry we old non bold pilots care about the aircraft first, the guy who caused it comes second! 😂
Conventional gear (taildragger) planes like this J-3 Cub SUCK. I owned and flew one for a year and never felt comfortable with it. They are just not forgiving as are tricycle gear planes. I knew an airman with 60 years experience who did the very same to his Cub Crafters reproduction. There is major loss here. Prop, engine sudden stoppage, wing struts vertical stabilizer. and more. There was a Tri-Champ. When I suggested to Champion they build a Tri-Citabria, they brushed me off. I'm sure there is a market for a Tri-Cub. At least, there are a lot of choices for tricycle gear LSAs.
I own a 7FC Tri-Champ. They had a tendency to flip to the forward side quarter like a tricycle so after the second time it happened to mine in the early 60's they wisely converted it back to a conventional gear making it a 7EC and it has never experienced another problem over the past 56 years since.
You owned a cub and never mastered the rudder/tail wheel? I feel sorry that you never felt “comfortable” maneuvering a taildragger around. I learned the other way around. T-dragger first and then conventional. I prefer a tail wheel.
@@marthakrumboltz2710 The taildragger has a "conventional" landing gear. The DC-3 was a big taildragger and pilots did wheel landings rather than three-point. Safer that way. Most of my landings were wheel, except when I could demonstrate a full stop on the numbers, doing a three-point. Sorry to inform you, but conventional is astable, prone to ground loops because the center of gravity is behind the mains whereas in tricycle the c/g is in front of the mains, Landing in a crab causes a self-correcting yaw making the aircraft very much more stable than conventional. There is a saying: "There are are two kinds of taildragger pilots, those who have ground looped and those who will ground loop.
Braking heavily without the stick back will do it. Beautiful Legend Cub.
That Cub could have been set up right with no Crane and four men working together.
That's what I was thinking; I know I've seen a few big guys carry one back onto a runway after it got blown into a rocky area. Looks like somebody had access to heavy equipment and wanted to play with it.
To do it that way, they should have had a tag line off the nose going to a truck, and pull it out level as the crane comes down rather than just standing it on the nose the way they did.
Yep, that was truly painful to watch. I also don't know why anyone would think they need more than basic instruments in that Cub. It's an airplane, you have to actually fly it, it's not some kind of video game.
Exactly. Why not do further damage to the airframe just for fun? The tail wheel and tail feathers did not need to be sacrificed.
Would you mind describing the process of righting a cub with 4 guys and no damage? I’ve seen more videos of planes being craned onto their noses than I’d like. If we can get the knowledge of a better way circulating, it may help a lot of people and planes going forward.
@@tench745 Firstly, make sure that the mags and fuel are off, and tie a rope around the tail wheel.. Do not try this in windy conditions. One person on each wing tip, two people ‘walking up’ the tail until the mains are on the ground.. Then, have one person pull on the rope while the other three walk the tail back down.
OUCH! That was rather sad to see. Beautiful Cub. Glad she's back in the air.
Once upon a time I was at SFO in a empty 172 on a charter...it was blown over by strong winds coupled with prop blast from C130!
Only the prop curled and beacon lite broke...like a leaf in the wind.then ground folks came out with a crane...wind and prop blast toppled on top of my 172! Totaled! I got an overseas flying job next day n left town!
I like the term I heard a few years ago. A great landing is one where you can reuse the airplane. Looks like they can reuse this one. The last time I flew myself, I landed an American Eagle ultralight. It wasn't reusable. That was about twenty five years ago.
Have a few hours in a J3. One of the funnest planes I’ve flown. That rudder never would’ve deflected like that if he used a lifting strap with a choker on it and not the block.😬 My dad had a 1938 J3 but lost it in a divorce to his non-pilot, ex-wife.🙄😡🤬🤯🤣🤷♂️ Glad it’s back in service! Enjoy that beauty!🤩🙏😊
I think he needs to get his Attitude Indicator recalibrated
Yeah, that would be enough to knock it out of Cal.
A good landing is one you can walk away from, a great landing is when you can reuse the aircraft.
Pilot: I want to become an American Legend! Well, this is one way on your way to fame, but if it's the proper way???
The ole Piper J cub the only plane that will just barely kill you
Don't believe what? That human life is more valuable than some piece of scrap metal?
i probably have a few dozen hours in 155WB. It just recently got fixed from this incident...if only it was still up for rent.
(Of course, If only it could make it to a 100-hour inspection without needing major airframe repair from a landing incident. We can dream, I guess.)
Tailwheels are not good for rental planes, but I love to rent them if available.
The GA aviation world is very focused on spot landings, braking hard to make taxi-ways, comparing soft-field technique, measuring fuel burn down to the hundreth of a gallon per hour.... This causes unnecessary accidents and ego-measuring.
Never try and make the first turn off
There's another 'saying' What time does the flight end? About fifteen minutes before the ambulance gets there.
I think they did more damage with the crane than the crash
You're - right!!))
I agree. I was a crane operator for 20 years and have been a pilot for 46 years and own a 46 Piper Cub.I thought he was going to tear the rudder off the plane with that big load block, a single line with headache ball and a long rope keeping the hook away from the aircraft would have been better. Also swinging the boom more to the left and booming down would have kept the strain off the aircraft more. I have run that type of crane a few times and hate them. The cab does not move with the boom, you have to strain your neck to see what you are doing and it doesn't free swing, it is very jerky.I much prefer larger hydro cranes, large crawler cranes or Tower Canes. All said they did a decent job with what they had and looks like the damage was minimal.
They may have flipped by hand and done less damage! yikes! Well what cha gonna do, right!
I was very surprised to find that no damage was done by the crain.
@@BubbaGumpU812 so am i !
Looks like good support out there with Lorain & Driver.
Looks like a pretty expensive landing to me.
We also have a saying whenever somebody bounces one in, "Which one of those landings are you going to log?"
All of them
@@dougdouglass1248
Finally! Someone who gets me.
Just because you walked away is no reason to land upside-down!
What, is it a fad wrecking vintage warbirds? Stop flying them before we have none left.
That should buff out..
That statement is a fine example of rationalization, a thing all GA pilots do when they continue to fly.
Well I heard an instructor say one time a good landing is one you can walk away from a great landing is when you can reuse the plane again, not so in this case
It's been reused ..
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 But not on the same day.
@@davidhames319 hardly. :-)
Ouch............!!!!! that left a mark or so
The plane looks surprisingly undamaged.
Any pilot can fly inverted how many can land inverted.
Actually, there are a few who can land inverted. I've seen it myself.
There are quite a few actually w/ a set of wheels up and down.
Thank god for insurance!
Must have been crane drivers first day ffs
Disc brakes will do it all the time. Expander tubes will not.
lifting straps are your friend.
Only if you can use the airplane again right away!
NAVY PILOT ?
A real stupid idea.
This is known as an oh shit!
I was gonna learn in that one :(
You still can! It's up and flying again
Sweet !!!!!!
So; non pilot (pilot hopeful if I can before Im too old). Any landing you can walk away from? Well if ya walked away from that; its technically a DECENT landing in my book. If the plane is repairable and will (did) fly again, its a good(ish) landing, but Id not be bragging about it.. All in all, good video, hope I never have to experience what the ;pilot must've experienced..
Nope. If you can't taxi back to the hangar it's not a good landing.
Lucky given the circumstances this J3 is fairly easily fixable!
Sorry we old non bold pilots care about the aircraft first, the guy who caused it comes second! 😂
Conventional gear (taildragger) planes like this J-3 Cub SUCK. I owned and flew one for a year and never felt comfortable with it. They are just not forgiving as are tricycle gear planes. I knew an airman with 60 years experience who did the very same to his Cub Crafters reproduction. There is major loss here. Prop, engine sudden stoppage, wing struts vertical stabilizer. and more. There was a Tri-Champ. When I suggested to Champion they build a Tri-Citabria, they brushed me off. I'm sure there is a market for a Tri-Cub. At least, there are a lot of choices for tricycle gear LSAs.
Conventional gear can be a lot more fun than tricycle gear, if you have the proper skill set. Imo.
Maybe tailwheel airplanes don't Suck, you do...
I own a 7FC Tri-Champ. They had a tendency to flip to the forward side quarter like a tricycle so after the second time it happened to mine in the early 60's they wisely converted it back to a conventional gear making it a 7EC and it has never experienced another problem over the past 56 years since.
You owned a cub and never mastered the rudder/tail wheel? I feel sorry that you never felt “comfortable” maneuvering a taildragger around. I learned the other way around. T-dragger first and then conventional. I prefer a tail wheel.
@@marthakrumboltz2710 The taildragger has a
"conventional" landing gear. The DC-3 was a big taildragger and pilots did wheel landings rather than three-point. Safer that way. Most of my landings were wheel, except when I could demonstrate a full stop on the numbers, doing a three-point. Sorry to inform you, but conventional is astable, prone to ground loops because the center of gravity is behind the mains whereas in tricycle the c/g is in front of the mains, Landing in a crab causes a self-correcting yaw making the aircraft very much more stable than conventional. There is a saying: "There are are two kinds of taildragger pilots, those who have ground looped and those who will ground loop.
Poor rigging and picker operating.
Aw man that sucks!
Quand on pilote comme un con😂😂
glad your ok aviate navigate communicate