Mannlicher Model 1901 & 1905 Pistols
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2024
- The Model 1901 and 1905 automatic pistols were the final development of the Mannlicher system. In this iteration they used internal magazines, a straight walled 7.65mm cartridge, and a delayed blowback system in which the slide had to overcome a spring-loaded wedge before it could open.
The Model 1901 was a compact version with an 8-round magazine, and the 1905 was a larger frame with a 10-round capacity, although both use identical mechanisms. The guns were moderately successful on the commercial market, although the only military adoption of the design was form Argentina, which bought about 6,000 of the 1905 model guns. These were surplussed onto the US commercial market in the 1960s, and are generally distinctive for the bright spot on the right side where the Argentine crest was ground off prior to sale (although some have been refinished to hide this).
Both the 1901 and 1905 are very comfortable, sleek and elegant guns to handle and fire. For some high speed footage of an Argentine 1905 firing, check here: • Slow Motion: Steyr-Man...
To see a Roth-Theodorovic prototype pistol with a similar Tambour safety, check here: • Roth-Theodorovic Proto...
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Honestly if reproductions of the 1901 were made today I would carry it. It's simple, elegant, and the most beautiful gun I have personally ever seen.
Same. I don’t even have a license yet, but I’d get one just for this beauty (with grip safety and in a more common cartridge).
I've seen several in great conditions at gun shows for a very reasonable price. Some are even made in more common cartridges
@bootsontheground4913 how reasonable are the reasonable prices you saw?
Demonstrate the gun how it work
Very good design very good mechanism
dude whoever owns this fucking red table cloth has fucking cash man sooo many extremely rare guns
Heh...he has no cash; he has extremely rare guns. :)
That definitely tends to be the trade off.
he has no cash because of the guns,wait. . . the way you frazed that makes it sound like you own them. . .
Ever since learning about these pistols, I've felt that these are the coolest-looking pistols ever.
Ian's trying to get me into Mannlichers. Guys I think it's working.
So... many... Mannlichers...
I'm amazed you're able to track all those things down to do the video on them! You never cease to amaze me, Ian...
About 40 years ago I had a book "Cartridges of the world " I remember so much I read but never got to actually see the antique fine guns themselves. This is a great channel, very informative, and the hard work is greatly appreciated 👍
For those asking about the button on the right side of the pistol, I believe that is how the unfired cartridges are removed from the gun. With the slide back, the button is pulled downward. This would move the cartridge interrupter down and out of the way to eject the remaining cartridges in the internal magazine.
Othais of C&Rsenal has an entertaining moment in which he accidentally does just this…right into his face.
Welcome to Forgotten Berglichers! Awesome video and collection!
Lovely curvature on those. =)
I can understand why people consider them elegant.
Wow, these are incredible. I'm surprised they aren't more well-known.
I hope this UA-cam channel never comes to an end. It seems like it's impossible to cover all forgotten weapons.
I was already impressed with the previous iterations of the handguns. Yet, these blow me away with how cool they look and their mechanical design.
We're are you finding all these dam mannlichers!!!! (It's a glorious collection)
Buzz Bombs Gaming and guns
Gun Jesus knows everybody's most secret gun stash
The 1905 would for sure be the base for my Star Wars blaster
Ian, I learned from an old Russian gunsmith that if you take a STEEL cased AK-47 round and carefully cut off the front of the case just in front of the "neck",you can slide this into the chamber,allowing you to fire more readily available 32acp.rounds...only downside is that you are limited to 5rds instead of 10... definitely cheaper shooting.
I saw one of the Argentinean guns at the gun show in Louisville on Saturday. It still had the crest intact.
I can't like this video enough. I love this pistol!
nicely done very clear variation! Great guns!! Thanks.
As I recall our mutual friends over at C&Rsenal did a video on this fine pistol (the 1905 to be more precise) a while back.
Shoots very well indeed, although it seems the best way to aim is to aim it like you would a sword instead of a pistol.
damn I really wish there were some reproductions of these around. I would love to have one, they're beautiful and look incredibly nice to shoot.
The Saga continues yet again!
For me the most elegant pistol ever maded and the best at the same time is the swarzloze pistol
So we're going from Forgotten Bergmans to Forgotten Mannlichers? Lol
What a fancy Mannlicher! High class Mannlicher, with skill too! A true triple threat! 😎😂
forgottenweapons please do a nerf gun review for april fools day
Omg yes
I think the clever thing to do would be to find a big, obnoxious-looking watergun, spray-paint it black so it could kinda pass for being made of metal, and make up an extensive backstory for this "forgotten prototype" weapon.
another great video, keep it up
I like this pistol. It looks cool.
Front sight is on the front of the barrel? Reminds me of Rooster Cogburn when he was asked "What direction were you moving when you backed away from him?" and he answered "Backwards. I generally move backwards when I'm backing away from someone."
OK, front sight could be on the back of the barrel, but it did seem funny when he said it.
14:00 That actually the Argentina national crest on it, not the army one. "R.A." stands for "República Argentina" (Argentine Republic).
can you do some old forgotten shotguns?
beautiful pistol
The grip safety and lanyard make me think "cavalry". Maybe the owner rode horses for a living and wanted the security.
Hmm, I just noticed there's something distinctly 1907 Roth-Krnka-y about the grip on this particular model. Was that shape just fashionable at the time, I wonder, or was someone copying someone's homework? :)
(I have no problem with that either way, I wish all handgun grips were like my Roth's. By far the comfiest pistol handle I know of.)
how hard is it to replace the magazine spring, if it breaks?
If Fireplace Guy has one of the prototype Mannlicher pistols made by Deutsch Rheinmetal, that would be a neat show&tell.
Bergmans and mannlichers oh my
It's going to be a sad, sad day when Ian runs out of forgotten weapons.
That will literally never happen
Channel could just move onto “remembered weapons”.
at 12:03 there is a faint marking on the side that reads Simpson LTD xxxx. What is that?
That was the importer.
I love how discreet Simpson's import markings are, as opposed to the ones that look like they were applied with a hacksaw (looking at you, Century).
How slick.
👍 excellent, thank you!
9:11 Sunshine from a box!
Great episode, got to say i prefer the smaller framed version, especially the boxed one.
What is that slide thingy on the right side of the grip? Looks like a control of some kind.
What is that button on the right side at the grip do?
@Duncan Grove It will launch every round 10 feet in the air. :-)
hey Ian, at 12:02, on SN 2202, what is the text on the frame (or the slide) that says "Simpson LTD....."
That's an importer's mark, as required by US law.
very interesting, thanks
beautiful!
Two 1901's please. One cased and one for every day use. Really like that side cover coming off so easily. I think these are just elegant good looking pistols. Simple is better. *BGM.41
Hunting injuns and outlaws. What use do you have for that AK in your backpack?
I have a 90 year old pistol that I carried for awhile. An Ortgies Deutschwerks Automatic Pistol in .32 auto. Only parts not original are the firing pin and striker spring, replaced for wear, and a replacement barrel to mate better with modern .32 auto ammo. Still have the original parts in case I ever decide to sell the gun.
Possibly the best shooter from my small collection of antique pocket pistols.
No stocked variants?
What's the button on the right side where the wood grip meets the steel side plate ? I did not catch any mention in the video ..
Did the internal magazine and general layout influence the development of the Steyr Hahn at all?
how do the bullets fit in that small gun??
Could you possibly do a vid on dutch Mannlicher carbines? I hadnt heard About untill i did Some research on a old stripperclip i had laying around.
Ian what happened to the auctions?
There isn't one going on at the moment. Next up will be a James D Julia auction in mid April; video from there will begin in a few weeks.
cool! looking forward to more videos
Forgotten Weapons So what's the timeline on the Dinner plate 28, WA2000 and "Boris, let's give the krauts a run for there money with the AN-94?
The DPM will be on the 7th and the Walther on the 8th. Don't have the AN94 scheduled (or edited) yet.
Forgotten Weapons I also thought you had something recently that had to do with the EM-2 rifles
How much was one of these in 1905 so as to compare with other priced guns such as webley, browning etc
How about the Smith & Wesson Model 41 sometime?
Why does the 1905 have the leaf spring? I though it was done away with in late run 1901's.
I wonder if this delay mechanism really worked because if you were able to pull the slide by the force of your hand that means that is not very stong.
It doesn't need to be super strong, it just needs to delay the opening of the breech until pressure has dropped, which happens quite quickly.
If you get any other delayed blowback firearm and have removed the magazine and cleared it, you can actually force the action open with a dowel down the barrel - RyeonHam and The Chap have both done videos demonstrating that in practice.
Do those cartridges in the presentation box have holes drilled in them?
Calum Spencer yes, I believe they're inert and for display only
You dont show how to loud the gun
Hey Ian just wondering what your opinion is on getting a Sks for a first gun. Do you have a specific source you'd recommend?
i have a non-mannlicher question, why do some Swedish Mausers have bent bolt handle and some doesn't?
azkrouz reimertz guns with straight bolt handles are hard to mount a scope not sure if this is the answer tho hope it helps
What is the purpose of the catch just above the right grip panel? You didn't talk about it.
I think I remember reading that it was used to unload the magazine. (Or it might be the slide stop release.)
Thanks.
What was the Argentine military using prior to adopting the 1905?
As an argentinian, as far as i know we didn't have any pistols prior to the 1905, or at least i couldn't find anything
Fucken beautiful.
An elegant weapon from a less civilized age.
Can you tell me where to buy ammo's for this gun? or which ammo's can i remake for this?
Gun broker at $1.00 per cartridge. Or customized brass from Buffalo Arms.
Modular Mannlicher???
greece in ww2 used this guns...we have an large amount of them at the war museum in athens
They throw the expensive brass about 20 feet behind you.
What is that switch/detention thing on the upper right side of the grip do? for dump the magazine or something?
jpkosoltrakul They have no magazines. You mean empty the stack out the top? Probably.
Well, technically, they have fixed magazines. And yes, mean that.
Hmmmm, no Forgotten Weapons T-shirt.
dope
A really elegant pistol. I put a 1905 in a short story I wrote. Why are modern pistols so ugly?
At 12:02 to about 12:06 you can see "Simpson Ltd...."
Can anyone find ammunition for these wonderful guns?
i'd conceal carry it!... if they made these in conventional cartridges :(
Why would the argentine army want to ground off their crest?
Dylan Kwak I suspect because they wanted to make sure it was visible that it was no longer a military service pistol, but had been decommissioned and sold to the private market.
If the people who buy the surplus guns happen to be criminals or guerilleros, it wouldn't be very nice for the Argentinian republic to have official government markings on their weapons, I suppose...
My guess would be that the crest was used as evidence of government ownership, and grinding it off indicated legitimate sale.
Thanks Guys for the info,
makes the pistols even cooler!
Gyrffos sadly we have some history involving illegal blackmarket gun sales.
My education continues.
interesting
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dat curve...
es heibt mann licher auf deutsch
I hate people who talk too much