@@banmadabon It might cheapen the process, and if it works just fine it's not a big problem. But it's still not ideal to have something so loose when those pieces will be cycling at high speeds thousands of times. I still think this is quite an interesting pistol, though.
This gun reminds me of those really old cartoons where the car mechanic fixes the broken down jalopy by pouring a bucket of gears and mechanical bits into it.
One MAJOR benefit to that magazine design is the ease with which it can be loaded. Some double-stack pistol mags are thumb killers! I would love to have a gun with a mag like that :)
The magazine is really quite interesting in that it has some of the benefits of both a belt and a magazine. If you load it correctly, the first round is available immediately, and there’s no complicated manual of arms just to get your fancy belt to feed the gun, at the same time it also has much higher capacity too just like a normal belt, but unfortunately it is limited unlike a normal belt.
@@justforever96 in a pistol, I'd agree, but consider the design of this magazine in something like a SMG or PDW scale weapon, where you'd want a higher capacity-to-size ratio? If it can feed that type of weapon reliably (and I can't think of a reason why it couldn't), it might be worth the slightly more complex mag.
I really like the shoulder stock for this one, its probably my favorite out of all the holster/shoulder stock pistols. It compacts down to be pretty much the same size as a regular holster, including the retractable metal thing. Plus it has the ridigty aspect too so it could be used as an effective shoulder stock. Not bad.
Hey, this is quite comparable to an Italian supercar- it's weird, different, stylish, overengineered, and it will decide to lock up at the worst moment imaginable :)
I haven't had a chance to work on any Italian cars but I've worked on a few German and British sports cars. The German cars are complicated but the actual repairs come down to replacing a component. British sports cars, especially my much beloved Triumph Spitfire, are just effing weird! My Dad was in the computer industry and worked with a lot of Brits in the 60's and 70's and this is how he described a British committee would work. "All the guys needed would finally arrive and sit down about 10:00AM. Then they would draw for an hour or so until someone would say 'That'll do nicely, let's go to the pub.'"
Judging by it's (ludicrous) level of complexity, I would think this wasn't just dreamed up as it is, there must have been a predecessor that it 'evolved' from. That would be very interesting to see ! If it was completely designed all in one with that magazine, it must have taken someone a very long time, that's enough to drive someone crazy, no wonder nobody wanted it !
I really wish there'd been a few more made just for the ability to see how well they operated. Truly novel, the only place I've seen a mechanism like that in guns is some of the artillery elevators.
This reminds me of the Dardick revolver, though that didn't have a removeable magazine. I'm always pleased to see another video of yours, whether new or old.
it brings up something I've noticed about stampings- people mention them like stamped sheet parts are cheap or crude compared to a milled part, but sometimes they can be really pretty. There's a smoothed out look you get when you design a part for stamping that I like.
I guarantee it is easier to load, as there is no spring tension to deal with. That said, with a maglula style loading device, loading high, high capacity is extremely easy. I finally bit the bullet after getting a FNX 45, 15 round of 45 is great, until you have to load it. The downside of a maglula is your ammo bill will go up, lol.
Just goes to show you, that some folks have a better idea, others just think they do. This was a very interesting gun, and that magazine design is simply wild, it sort of makes sense in a simple way. The loading of the magazine would be much easier with no spring to fight, especially on those stiff last few rounds that seem to cut little grooves in my old and tender fingers.
I wonder if the magazine was a great idea or it was a solution in search of a problem to solve. Sosso had a interesting idea with the use of sub assemblies and the use of a few stamped parts. If he had expanded on that to produce a handgun that could be made economically under war time conditions he might have had a significant weapon system.
I'm always interested in mechanisms of these old weapons as I am interested in home builds... this one is a bit complicated as many of the old ones are. but I always learn from these videos. keep it up Ian.
Ian! just wanted to say thank you for alway doing these awesome videos. never been into guns until recently. now I am in love with the mechanics, so I have been watching your videos for weeks. sorry I can't join the patreon
I have a turmoils life :( ... you have no idea :( .. I won't bother you all with details ... but listening to Ian talking about cool firearms ..makes me so relaxed .. my favourite hobby! .. great video Ian .. keep up the good work :)
The gun is overly complex, the magazine is not. I wonder why no one else ever made something similar. Simple, functional, advantageous, foolproof and innovative. In simple words, that's genius!
Hi Ian love the videos glad someone is bring to light some of these amazing guns and was wondering have you ever had the chance to play with a Charlton automatic rifle?
Is it just me, or does this gun have a really nice holster stock setup? Seems like usually these sorts of stocks are huge and bulky and made of wood but this one is just like a regular (but somewhat heavier) holster that can expand into a stock. I'm not sure how good of a stock it would be to use but the concept is cool.
FRANCESCO PRICOLO, CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE REGIA AERONAUTICA: boy those are pretty cool guns you guys have ARTURO RICCARDI, GRAND ADMIRAL OF THE REGIA MARINA: yeah it rules PRICOLO: do you, uh, do you think he made one for me PIETRO BADOGLIO, FIELD MARSHAL OF THE ROYAL ITALIAN ARMY: pretty sure they only made four of these, my dude PRICOLO: oh... okay
i've seen the admiral ones in the museum of the navy in Genoa but man you showed me that magazine it's a really awesome sistem imo thx for video ian keep the good stuff flowin ;)
It would be cool if this had a revolver style double action trigger so you could advance the magazine with just the trigger. It would also be even more complicated.
Dr. No scene: Professor Dent unloads his M1941 Sosso into the dummy under the bed covers. Bond says:"It's a Sosso. And you've had your 21..." "Thwup ! Thwup! "
How about doing a show explaining the gun laws. What needs a permit-what doesn't. and what the cost is to get these permits. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is a bit confused by it all.
Gotta love living in a free state. It's like that here in Maine as well. No firearm or magazine restrictions whatsoever (except for the NFA ones of course).
crossbow1203 most states require no permits to buy and own handguns, rifles and shotguns. If you want to cc you need a permit If you want shortbarreled rifles/ shotgun you need to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp If you want a full auto you better be rich A video on this would be rather dry and uninteresting
That magazine design is used in non-firearms like airguns that fire .177 cal pellets, but the projectile is fully contained in a plastic tube, not exposed in any way
Cool gun! I can see a lot of things that can go wrong with it, if used a lot in battle conditions. Wear and tear, not to mention all small bits you could loose when cleaning the thing out on the field. All that would be serious concern, had the Italians bought the gun.
This gun looks like if you sent someone a blurry picture of a Beretta and told them "make me a copy of this" but didn't give them any details about how you actually wanted it done.
Ian, that has to be the Chinese Shar Pei of handguns, it's so ugly it's beautiful, but I would love to have one. It's too bad no body has come up with a more friendly way to set up and cycle that massive rotary magazine. Thanks for sharing.
Ian, your pronunciation is (almost) spot-on! The only thing to be improved is the double s. It’ not so-so, it’s sossssso. The double needs to be carried longer. With my utmost respect for you, Gun Jesus.
As the video started, I began to wonder "why did the shoulder stock holsters go out of fashion? Maybe I should look it up... ok." :) Also: when the recipients of #1-5 were listed, I was trying to guess who was next. My own favorite guess was the Pope.
That moment when even German engineers look at you and say, 'You're over-thinking this'.
And the Swiss machinists say, "that's way too much work, dude" 😜
So it almost has the capacity of a Hollywood revolver?!
Almost, but is not quite there yet.
It's so intricate that listening to the explanation of how it works feels like someone describing a rube goldberg machine
almost (?) qualifies for steampunk....
The Sosso"s magazine is one of the most unique and innovative things I've on this channel.
"Several of these pieces come out when you shake the gun" is just not a sentence you want to hear...
It fits the the name tho
@@banmadabon It might cheapen the process, and if it works just fine it's not a big problem. But it's still not ideal to have something so loose when those pieces will be cycling at high speeds thousands of times.
I still think this is quite an interesting pistol, though.
how did the gun operate....it was Sosso
This gun reminds me of those really old cartoons where the car mechanic fixes the broken down jalopy by pouring a bucket of gears and mechanical bits into it.
I've heard of "automatic" revolvers, This is the first time I've seen a revolving "automatic" 👍👍👍
is it any good?
its soso
il get me coat
DAMMIT I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS
You beat everybody to it. Well done sir.
All in all though, it's a soso joke to be honest.
eatthisvr6 Darn it! I need to be faster on the comments. 😀
-Jen
2 years too late to the party, am I? I will not miss the next pun!
@@taylordavison6849 a gun pun is a ton of fun son, I'm done, but you won this one 'cuz no pun was done.
The pistol stand looked like something totally different to me at first. That's what I get for watching Forgotten Weapons past midnight.
One MAJOR benefit to that magazine design is the ease with which it can be loaded. Some double-stack pistol mags are thumb killers! I would love to have a gun with a mag like that :)
The magazine is really quite interesting in that it has some of the benefits of both a belt and a magazine. If you load it correctly, the first round is available immediately, and there’s no complicated manual of arms just to get your fancy belt to feed the gun, at the same time it also has much higher capacity too just like a normal belt, but unfortunately it is limited unlike a normal belt.
Maybe, maybe not. Isn’t it better to be prepared and not need it?
@@justforever96 in a pistol, I'd agree, but consider the design of this magazine in something like a SMG or PDW scale weapon, where you'd want a higher capacity-to-size ratio? If it can feed that type of weapon reliably (and I can't think of a reason why it couldn't), it might be worth the slightly more complex mag.
Here's a weird thought: this thing is closest to an auto revolver, sure it has a belt instead of a cylinder, but both are ultimately rotary in nature.
That's probably one of the coolest pistols you've shown (in my opinion) and it's all because of the mag.:D
Episodes like this make my day. The obscure weapons like this really are forgotten weapons.
I really like the shoulder stock for this one, its probably my favorite out of all the holster/shoulder stock pistols. It compacts down to be pretty much the same size as a regular holster, including the retractable metal thing. Plus it has the ridigty aspect too so it could be used as an effective shoulder stock. Not bad.
I love that magazine load dozens of them and stick them in the cabinet without having to exercise them and have them all work when you need them.
That has to be one of the most interesting magazines ive ever seen
Hey, this is quite comparable to an Italian supercar- it's weird, different, stylish, overengineered, and it will decide to lock up at the worst moment imaginable :)
exactly!
I haven't had a chance to work on any Italian cars but I've worked on a few German and British sports cars. The German cars are complicated but the actual repairs come down to replacing a component. British sports cars, especially my much beloved Triumph Spitfire, are just effing weird! My Dad was in the computer industry and worked with a lot of Brits in the 60's and 70's and this is how he described a British committee would work.
"All the guys needed would finally arrive and sit down about 10:00AM. Then they would draw for an hour or so until someone would say 'That'll do nicely, let's go to the pub.'"
@@petesampson4273
Sounds like my kind of job.
Thank you from Italy for showing us this gem!
Curved magazine in a straight grip - wasn't expecting that.
-Jen
And curved the other way than all other curved magazines.
And that is reversed
This has so many ideas I love (and thought of independently). I'll probably rewatch this so many times
Is this the only semi-automatic suited for russian roulette? 😜😜😜😜😜
Jaimy van der Horst The Guycot chain pistol would work too
yep! the rest it would be Pollock roulette!!!!
Italian roulette!
There all suitable if you wannna die
My Channel Lacks Originality that would be a double action pistol, not semiautomatic.
Judging by it's (ludicrous) level of complexity, I would think this wasn't just dreamed up as it is, there must have been a predecessor that it 'evolved' from. That would be very interesting to see !
If it was completely designed all in one with that magazine, it must have taken someone a very long time, that's enough to drive someone crazy, no wonder nobody wanted it !
Very rare occasion where italians out-over-engineer swiss and germany.
Wisewarna Nazara
It's impressive how Italian guns no matter how complicated still work quite nicely
Nope .u.
hopefully your not talking about Shitretta!!! those guns can't hit the ground if you dropped it!!! shitty triggers to!!!!
You sure sound like an unbiased and reasonable person.
keith moore
So wrong.
And it's Beretta.
Repeat.
_Be-Ret-Ta_
Easy.
I really wish there'd been a few more made just for the ability to see how well they operated. Truly novel, the only place I've seen a mechanism like that in guns is some of the artillery elevators.
This reminds me of the Dardick revolver, though that didn't have a removeable magazine. I'm always pleased to see another video of yours, whether new or old.
it brings up something I've noticed about stampings- people mention them like stamped sheet parts are cheap or crude compared to a milled part, but sometimes they can be really pretty. There's a smoothed out look you get when you design a part for stamping that I like.
Prototype videos are always my favorites, never fail to be very interesting.
Id really like to see a demonstration of the magazine being loaded
I agree, and I'm curious to see if it's easier to load than a typical high capacity mag. Might have been an alternative to sore thumbs ;-)
I guarantee it is easier to load, as there is no spring tension to deal with.
That said, with a maglula style loading device, loading high, high capacity is extremely easy.
I finally bit the bullet after getting a FNX 45, 15 round of 45 is great, until you have to load it.
The downside of a maglula is your ammo bill will go up, lol.
For some strange reason, the design very roughly reminds me of the Beretta gun designs, like the 92. If you squint really hard that is.
Just goes to show you, that some folks have a better idea, others just think they do. This was a very interesting gun, and that magazine design is simply wild, it sort of makes sense in a simple way. The loading of the magazine would be much easier with no spring to fight, especially on those stiff last few rounds that seem to cut little grooves in my old and tender fingers.
Gorgeous jewel of a pistol and lock mechanism. Cool magazine too. Pity so few were made. But all the machine work must have cost a fortune
I wonder if the magazine was a great idea or it was a solution in search of a problem to solve.
Sosso had a interesting idea with the use of sub assemblies and the use of a few stamped parts. If he had expanded on that to produce a handgun that could be made economically under war time conditions he might have had a significant weapon system.
Guys tell me that I'm not the only one who can't stop to watch new videos of Inrange+ForgottenWeapons.
"I want a really complicated pistol with a lot of small pieces that are easily lost" said no soldier ever. :-D
I'm always interested in mechanisms of these old weapons as I am interested in home builds... this one is a bit complicated as many of the old ones are. but I always learn from these videos. keep it up Ian.
your not fighting the spring when loading, which I like
what a gloriously complicated hand cannon that is
Ian! just wanted to say thank you for alway doing these awesome videos. never been into guns until recently. now I am in love with the mechanics, so I have been watching your videos for weeks. sorry I can't join the patreon
So, the Sosso holster was only so so? Well that's nominative determinism for you. :P
That disassembly and explanation of function fried my brain
It manages to look futuristic and outdated at the same time, what a feat.
I have a turmoils life :( ... you have no idea :( .. I won't bother you all with details ... but listening to Ian talking about cool firearms ..makes me so relaxed .. my favourite hobby! .. great video Ian .. keep up the good work :)
The gun is overly complex, the magazine is not. I wonder why no one else ever made something similar. Simple, functional, advantageous, foolproof and innovative. In simple words, that's genius!
Looks amazing, love the chunkiness of it ;)
Very cool pistol, thanks for the episode
Hi Ian love the videos glad someone is bring to light some of these amazing guns and was wondering have you ever had the chance to play with a Charlton automatic rifle?
Best channel on UA-cam. Hands down.
wow very complex pistol looks amazing and helghasty
That’s exactly what I thought, weird magazines does feel very helghasty
Great video. It's these type guns that I watch this channel to see. (Among others) the obscure, unusual and interesting.
impressive mechanics. thanks for the video. great video!
" There's this gun that's been on my mind.
All the time, So-Sossodio, oh oh. "
really cool gun nice video and nice explanation greetings from Slovenia
Lasko Pivo, prosim!
Nice one like the magazine ID.
Wow, looks good.
A strange cross between a Beretta and a Tokarev with an assault rifle-like (but smaller of course) magazine. Pure Italian genius!
Nice of you to always be concerned about your Italian pronuciation when presenting Italian guns; it's fine man. Great videos
Nice gun! Keep up the good work!
Is it just me, or does this gun have a really nice holster stock setup? Seems like usually these sorts of stocks are huge and bulky and made of wood but this one is just like a regular (but somewhat heavier) holster that can expand into a stock. I'm not sure how good of a stock it would be to use but the concept is cool.
Just when your day is over and you think, you've seen it all Ian finds another weird stuff...
FRANCESCO PRICOLO, CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE REGIA AERONAUTICA: boy those are pretty cool guns you guys have
ARTURO RICCARDI, GRAND ADMIRAL OF THE REGIA MARINA: yeah it rules
PRICOLO: do you, uh, do you think he made one for me
PIETRO BADOGLIO, FIELD MARSHAL OF THE ROYAL ITALIAN ARMY: pretty sure they only made four of these, my dude
PRICOLO: oh... okay
Ian pulls a banana mag out of the pistol that has a chain drive conveyor belt system. I'm going 'WHAAAT'. Good show.
i've seen the admiral ones in the museum of the navy in Genoa but man you showed me that magazine it's a really awesome sistem imo thx for video ian keep the good stuff flowin ;)
You pronounced Giulio and Brescia pretty good, even here if I had a friend with sosso as surname I would had problem pronouncing it
That's "So" cool that I would Love to have a reproduction of my own.
It would be cool if this had a revolver style double action trigger so you could advance the magazine with just the trigger. It would also be even more complicated.
I actually like that stock.
this comment aged really well
And here I thought you couldn't make a weirder magazine than the Evans rifle
So many moving parts that when it's fired the mechanical noise drowns out the "bang". 😁
I love the stock/holster combo.
Your italian pronunciation is almost flawless. And, as always, great video!
That's actually quite a handsome piece. As has been said, it's very Beretta.
Watching this immediately after your piece on the easily-disassembled MAC 50 is an experience on its own right 😂
Dr. No scene:
Professor Dent unloads his M1941 Sosso into the dummy under the bed covers.
Bond says:"It's a Sosso. And you've had your 21..."
"Thwup ! Thwup! "
that magazine is a revolver cylinder thought right out of the box...or into a box?
How about doing a show explaining the gun laws. What needs a permit-what doesn't. and what the cost is to get these permits. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is a bit confused by it all.
crossbow1203 the laws are different in most states. you might do better googling it yourself.
Gotta love living in a free state. It's like that here in Maine as well. No firearm or magazine restrictions whatsoever (except for the NFA ones of course).
crossbow1203 most states require no permits to buy and own handguns, rifles and shotguns.
If you want to cc you need a permit
If you want shortbarreled rifles/ shotgun you need to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp
If you want a full auto you better be rich
A video on this would be rather dry and uninteresting
...No they've had an AWB for a long time. You're thinking of the challenge to the Maryland AWB, maybe?
but there are several states that have "constitutional carry" which means no permit required.
Very cool. I love the forgotten innovation
How does it shoot?
"Oh, only so-so"
Boooooooooooo Boooooooooo booo on you
German Engineer: ''we have zhe most complex mechanisms!''
Italian Engineer: ''Hold my pasta''
That magazine design is used in non-firearms like airguns that fire .177 cal pellets, but the projectile is fully contained in a plastic tube, not exposed in any way
I can just imagine the horror of the machinist when Sosso gave him the drawings of this and said "make this pistol for me" (in Italian)!!!
your pronunciation was so so. 😊😊great video as always
Ian. Your the man.
From far away resembles a Stechkin and the magazine chain system reminds me of the 50 round Ruger 10/22 teardrop magazines.
Very fantastic piece, unobtainable also in Italy
Cool gun!
I can see a lot of things that can go wrong with it, if used a lot in battle conditions. Wear and tear, not to mention all small bits you could loose when cleaning the thing out on the field. All that would be serious concern, had the Italians bought the gun.
the only semiauto pistol you can successfully play Russian Roulette with that doesn't have a 100% chance of a loss
Such a weird design. So cool.
That slide release looks convenient for left handed shooters
Extremely complicated for a so-so handgun. The magazine is indeed very interesting though.
Just imagine a world where this and the Dardick were both extremely successful and influential.
This gun looks like if you sent someone a blurry picture of a Beretta and told them "make me a copy of this" but didn't give them any details about how you actually wanted it done.
“How’s that for a weird looking magazine
Dose someone still say that German constructions are to complicated!
That's great. Outside the box thinking everywhere.
Cool looking gun! I really appreciate your work,sir. Is this in a museum or did you bought it yourself?
Another cool video :) Ian, still no 1888 Krupp Vintage Saturday?
Ian, that has to be the Chinese Shar Pei of handguns, it's so ugly it's beautiful, but I would love to have one. It's too bad no body has come up with a more friendly way to set up and cycle that massive rotary magazine. Thanks for sharing.
Ian, your pronunciation is (almost) spot-on! The only thing to be improved is the double s.
It’ not so-so, it’s sossssso. The double needs to be carried longer.
With my utmost respect for you, Gun Jesus.
reminds me of that guycot pistol you showed that used the volcanic rounds that had a "belt" mag in the gun
As the video started, I began to wonder "why did the shoulder stock holsters go out of fashion? Maybe I should look it up... ok." :)
Also: when the recipients of #1-5 were listed, I was trying to guess who was next. My own favorite guess was the Pope.