House of the Dragon: GRRM Praises Shogun, Bashes Benioff & Weiss?
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House of the Dragon: GRRM Praises Shogun, Bashes Benioff & Weiss? GRRM Blog Post: georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2... - Розваги
I've seen no one else talking about the CLEAR shade from this post. Knew you'd catch it though hehe
100% I was laughing at the lack of subtlety in his shade
Weird message on the heels of a Nettles erasure scare 😅😂😂
Yea I will be almost as pissed as GRRM if they actually cut nettles
It's something I've been ranting about for a long time, the attitude of "we have this wonderful source material that people love so we want to make a new version and change it" without realising that if they change it then it's no longer the wonderful thing that people love, it's a bastardised version made by egotists who think they know better than world famous massively popular authors.
This is happening again with HotD even if it's to an arguably less egregious degree. Not many people seem to realize it yet.
Didn't the author approve of the changes?
Then the author will die, times will change, the very structure of language shall shift and the work is gone, the art dead. Art needs to change, to grow, to mutate. Sure a lot of it's shit so what does it take away from the original art. TROP regardless of your opinion has got a lot of people talking about the Peter Jackson films and the Original Novels. I want to keep seeing art moving, regardless of how many stumbles it makes but that's just me.
I watched Shogun the other day and Im declaring it right now. Anna Sawai is my new film crush. 😍 oh my gosh, what a beauty. Anytime she came on screen (even if she was in the corner of a shot), couldnt take my eyes off her
I thought Shogun was fantastic as well , really enjoyed it and has been one of my favorite series of the year thus far. And i vehemently agree with GRRM's shade towards show-runners , writers , producers and networks that needlessly deviate from the source material due to ego or ineptitude or a combination of both among more. Be it D&D , or those behind the Witcher , TRoP among quite a few more ; this attitude thinking one can or need to try & improve upon such great works and concepts in them is vexing to put it mildly. Even more so this at times hostility or derision towards the source material that i have noticed in certain instances. I just genuinely can not understand that approach or taking on a project with such thoughts and feelings. These networks , really need to show more willingness to change out show-runners as well - D&D should have been gone after that S5 disaster , Witcher i would have changed them out by now and would have sided with Cavill in a bid to keep him , axe should have been swung after TRoP S1 imo etc.
These people should consider it a privilege to adapt such great works and a boon to discuss / go back and forth with the living author (if possible). Of course be it logistically or otherwise there are times compromises have to be made with any adaptation , but sticking as close to the source material should be the primary aim & approach and often yields the best end product. I find the avoidable needlessly changing of the source material / lore in these adaptations to basically be disrespectful to the author and their work(s).
Martin is also throwing shade at the HOT D writers for drastically changing his story by removing Nettles, a major character that is very important to Daemon‘s redemption arc. There are no reasons to remove her. The writers think they can write a better story than Martin himself.
Yea it would actually ruin Daemon’s character. They have already made some interesting changes that I’m not totally sure about but cutting Nettles would pretty much ruin his entire arc.
Yep, his criticism definitely includes the most recent big fantasy adaptations like Rings of Power, The Wheel of Time, and The Witcher.
TROP's more of a "spinoff"
They had nothing to change. The books aren’t written. George didn’t use to openly criticise D&D. I don’t think he was talking about them.
I've just rewatch HotD yesterday, while re-reading Shogun, and something hit me while watching the Finale of HotD. It's almost the same story. When Rhaenyra refused to attack Otto and declare war to Aegon and his supporters, it's the same thing that happened in Shogun when Toranaga refused to declare war because he promised the Taiko he won't be the one who will start a new war, and his goal is to maintain peace. Just like when Rhaenyra said she promised her father she won't break the peace. When Daemon intercepted Otto on the path leading to Dragonstone Castle, Rhaenyra arrived on her dragon and she was ready to attack and refused to bend the knee, but then Otto gave her the page of the book that she gave back then to Alicent, she then said she will give an answer tomorrow. Just like in Shogun when Toranaga's half brother gave him a scroll where he is invited to Osaka to surrender. Toranaga said he will give an answer the next day.
This notification came up as I'm listening my way through the Shogun soundtrack. I wonder if subsequent seasons will take a similar approach to what Vikings did in the sense that the Lothbroks were essentially vehicles to outline the broader history of the Viking period. Hiroyuki Sanada et al smashed it - the layers in the acting were incredible.
George if you don't want others ruining your story maybe actually finish it yourself
Condal and Hess is next. Still can't believe they've cut Nettles! They've also ruined the Hull brothers.
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We don't know that yet.
The hull boys just look like Summer Islanders, and they're way too old.
@@josephbulkin9222 Considering Alyn will have a relationship with Elaena Targaryen and she's not even born yet, which is absolutely pathetic and proves that this show is no longer following the book canon like S1.
@@EarnestTargenfyre you want to hear somehting beter? These hacks have the audacity to claim that this is the true telling of all these events, timeline fuck-ups and everything.
@@josephbulkin9222 Honestly they should've hired someone who knows the lore properly and have read the books properly. Ryan Condal is a fraud in my opinion. He claims to be a big ASOIAF nerd but i don't think so!
Every time I hear of some showrunner or CEO head pushing for unnecessary changes to story because "we can do things better than the OG author", I always think of that one Simpsons episode where they did the parody of Schoolhouse Rock! where the kid asks "Amendment to be" why "they couldn't just make a law banning flag burning?" And the amendment responds, "because that law would be unconstitutional, but if we change the constitution..." "than we can create all sorts of crazy laws!" "Now your catching on!"
Also shade to D&D #2 Condal and Hess, two incompetents that are ruining hotd.
Look how they reduced Alicent into a useless crybaby.
Condal is not to blame, this woman is.
@@gooby214 it’s crazy how taking Alicent from a one dimensional evil stepmother trope to something that has actual substance is somehow seen as a downgrade
@@turtleguyfanyup
@@turtleguyfanis having no agency substance? She actually did things in the book even if they were evil things. Imagine if Cersei ended up just crying and feeling regretful while having no control over the events of the story.
Now it's obvious he was more likely bashing HotD team.
I know you have some interest in history, tho I don't know how much. But unless you've already read a shitton on it, I highly recommend you research the period of Japan that Shogun represents. I don't know if that's even a big reason for Martin's seal of approval, but Shogun takes place in the time period that is my area of focus and I was absolutely fanboying the entire time for little details here and there. There is other good historical TV out there but so much schlock that it was genuinely heartwarming to see the accuracy.
@The Dragon Demands definitely read that blog post expecting a video from you on the same 😂😂
Also please ⬇️
#ReleaseThe1HrSeasonOutlineCut 😊😅
I added @FX to my Verizon account just to watch this new series this winter and the first 8 episodes are truly epic. Those last two episodes though . . . failed to meet my expectations . . . they didn't close the show in my opinion like the first season of "Warrior" did with its final two episodes by comparison.
Will the second season of "Shogun" be as captivating without two of it's biggest supporting characters?!? Will it effectively build upon the season one foundation like "Warrior" did in its superb sophomore season!?! Time will only tell . . . but I feel that "Shogun" could have benefited from the bigger budget it might have received from Apple+ if that streaming service had the IP rather than FX because it has that much potential to be epic . . . but when has FX ever done major military battle scenes though?!?
A loose adaptation of background material?! That’s wild. That show should be nothing but mocked.
His criticism gives me hope that he didn’t allow the HOTD show runners to completely remove Nettles. Even though I think they did. To me, it would be crazy to combine two characters and the character who you end up giving us is Baela or Rhaena with Nettles merged into one of them. If you were going to merge characters, you should have just one twin and merge events about the other into Nettles, not the other way around. I really hope that’s the case because IMO, there would be little to no justification to have two daughters and no Nettles when you could’ve just had one daughter and then Nettles if you wanted to cut the number of characters down or merge characters. I know this is a little off topic but it’s just something that bugged me and I really hope those rumors aren’t true and they add her in later as a major shock to fans or a twist.
It is possible George was (not so) subtly criticising HotD for getting rid of Nettles.
This proves Bran ain't sitting on the Throne he ain't never coming back from beyond the Wall
Oh I think he will - as King of _Winterfell_
@@thedragondemands5186 Rickon Stark will be the king in the North when he is found by Davos
@@thedragondemands5186 Bran doesn't strike me as a mere political character.
there won't be an Iron throne by the end, it just wouldn't make sense.
Summer King
I hope he’s not talking about Ryan Condal and Sara Hess…
no doubt, and their old masters david and dan. Roaches with inflated egos who thought they knew better than Martin.
Shut up. He praises them all the time
@@TheInfamousThey305, he praised them during S1 (and undeservingly so, imo.) S2 could be much worse.
It’s entirely possible that’s who he was talking about.
@@josephbulkin9222, they ran of out of adaptable books (AFFC and ADWD are bloated and would be bad TV seasons), they had to write the plot instead of you know adapting what’s already been written by the author - while supervising the biggest TV production ever.
I loved the Lord of the rings movies. don't at me
I love your content (best channel about all Westeros content) but I'm honestly tired about all the micro interpretations on what GRRM may have say or not to critic D&D... Like, ok they screwed up but maybe time to move on everyone? Or at least not putting words in somebody else's mouth, it's starting to be kinda toxic... I still enjoy your work, I'm just pointing out something that's been annoying me
Well, I'm sorry, but Rings of Power and Wheel Time suck. They are really bad adaptations of the source's martial. More or less what Dum and Dummer did with Game of Thrones, although with Got we had a mist over it in the beginning season of Got.
D&D's S1-4 GoT is maybe the best adaptation of the books that could've been made - I don't mean they did no mistakes, I mean they were the best showrunners, and nobody else could've done a better job. A true lightning in the bottle.
@@wserthmar8908 no. just no. From day one, these rats have been making mistake after mistake, putting out blatantly false information and removing major characters and spitting on the themes of ASOIAF. Hacks from the start. should have known that the second Jeyne Poole was cut, which was almost immediately.
Shogun series felt like the last season of GoT, so disappointing but glad for everyone that enjoyed. Check out the novel so you can see what a disservice the show runners did.
Thought Shogun was very overrated, I saw the the pilot and I was hyped but after the third ep the show is just kinda meandering until the lacklustre finale. A lot of the set up just turns to dust. Blackthorne and Toranaga weren’t great characters imo preferred Mariko and Yabushige, hope season 2 is better.
Season 2? I know that there was some talk about that, but it's only one book which was adapted into this season. So season 2 would be entirely made up if they do go with it.
Most likely the show started and died here, expanding the original novel? Don't know man that sound quite risky with ambitious writers trying to make the plot their own with possible awful consequences.
I only lasted about twenty minutes into the first episode. These show runners took the dumb and dumber route
Gender/identity politics, race swapping, real world politics, affirmative action box checking. These writers and producers never make it better. They treat it as their personal Twitter rant. And that's why they fail, destroying fan good will.