EXCLUSIVE: Thracian Arvanitika Speaker
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2022
- PART ONE: Conversation with an Arvantika speaker from Tycheró in North-East Greece. They have a special linguistic situation which has almost never been spoken about on UA-cam before.
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I was born in Kosovo. I moved to Sweden as a child. I'm lucky that we spoke albanian at home with my parents. With my siblings we talked both albanian and swedish. Sometimes we mix it, and that's terrible.
The challenge will be to teach the generations that come after us to talk albanian. It's a very beautiful language and should never be forgotten.
I choose to write this comment in english so more people can understand it.
Rrnoftë populli shqiptarë dhe gjuha shqipe 👑💪🇦🇱.
Bravo familjes qe ka ruajtur gjuhen Arnanitase
Dhimitri je yll ❤
Respekt !!!
JU RUAJT ZOTI.JENI TE MREKULLUESHEM
You are my brothers! Faleminderit që nuk harroni rrënjët tuaja!
This is crazy, Albanian history has now been amazing me ,to know that most of the oldest Albanian people living in Greece, Italy, Turkey, for 600 to 700 years still remember the beautiful Albanian language and dialects.
They,ve been living there for much longer than that… history just keeps repeating. Italians have confirmed that at least 21 of their emperors are of Illyrian origin.
Doric invasions, where did they come from?
And by the way, “Albani” or “Arboreschi” was coined by the Romans, and it’s Latin for Dorian/Druid.
@@intelliGENeration and all this is the official albanian propaganda
Albanians can't explain what happened to all Greeks & Romans who have been living in now country Albania lands from BC era . They can't explain how albanians couldn't scratch a single word for thousands years while they claim they are ancients, they can't explain why Albanian language has 0 native nautical vocabulary but claim illyrians (Romans documents illyrians piracy on Roman trade ships)ancestry . Albanians always spread Albanian propaganda "everyone is Albanian, everything is Albanian, dinosaurs 🦖 were albanians, earth is Albanian, Egyptians were albanians, "etc
Dimitri! God bless you and your family brother.
Both of you should be proud of yourselves. Respect for both of you! . But the same people, une jam Shqiptar nga jugu. I m from southern Albanian, and I understand you just fine. We speak the same language. Same blood, una facha una Raca! . Dimitri, we are proud of you man it's hard for Arvanitet to speak Arvanitka, The Greek government makes it impossible , , They will not tolerate Albanian Language, Arvanitet are discriminated against, Btw, Qyteze is in korçe, The same place that James Belushi, and John Belushi , Hollywood actors in America
Bless you both. We are proud of you.
Ju peshendes perzemersisht,edhe pse fare sju njoh.kam knaqesi shum Kur shoh ksi raste si juve.vazhdoni gjithmone.pershendetje nga❤
Jane Trojet tona!!!!
WOw..Ki flet Shqip shumë mirë.
Rroftë gjaku i pastër Arvanitas/Arbëresh 🦅🇦🇱🦅
O vella edhe une nga Edirne ( Adrianapoje) . Afer ne kufiri i Greqi
Rrespekte djema, shume vellazerisht brravo.
Bravo dhe te lumte
Megjithatë ndjehem krenar me juve keni ruajtur Gluhen arkaike deri sot..kjo është një nder për Shqipfolësit kudo që ata jetojnë ju përshëndes nga Gjermania
Bravooooooooo 💪🇦🇱
Bravissimi..ju lumte goja ..dhe jete sa me te gjate te keni
Te henksha zemrën o dhimitri sa i mire je
Oh my god guys I’m 31 years old and this video really moved me welcome to your roots we missed you so much and we feel sorry for everything that had happened!!
Zotri ti je Shqiptar,respekte per prindrit e tu qe ta mesuan gjuhen hyjnore👍
Bravo arbereshet❤❤❤
very very interesting congrats to both of you,,,.
Shum Rrespekt per ju te dy (per ty dhe per djalin qe intevistove) 👌 Rreaspekt
Wonderful people ❤ jeni shume te mire te dy..
sa bukur e sqaron, kam familjare nga Tyhero ,ma kanë thanë të njëjtën, respekt për të dytët
It’s true ! There is villages named qytez in region of korça . The same as John Belushi was ancestor was from
Po ti e fliske shqipen shumë mirë.
Faleminderit shumë për kontributin.
Kjo kënga në fund shumë e bukur. Si këngë Korçare duket.
Nje bashkebisedim shume I bukur. Eshte vertete e trishte kur arvanitasit e Greqise mohojne origjinen e tyre.
Presioni ka qene me i ashper mbi Arvanitasit nga shteti grek edhe nga shoqeria greke ne pergjithesi, kisha e keshtu me radhe. Une kam folur me Arvanitas ne Athine, ata thone ne kemi gje gjak e nje gjuhe por nuk mund te pajtohen qe ata jane shqiptare; e para nga propaganda greke per mbi njeqind vjet, por edhe nga cfare emri "shqiptar" tregon sot... nuk i perket fese/religjionit, dhe as rrenjes historike te Arvanitasve qe jane ne Greqi te pakten prej shekullit te 11te, te lidhur me kishen Orthodoxe greke; emri shqiptar vjen ne perdorim mjaft kohe pas fjales "Arvanit", lidhja e tyre eshte me Arberin jo me "shqiptarin", pavaresisht se kjo eshte e njejta gje per ne shqiptaret, per Arvanitasit eshte ndryshe. Ata, Arvanitet thone, ju jeni ne, por te turqizuar (sic u ka thene propaganda greke). Joe Dioguardi i Arberesheve te New Yorkut thote se ne jemi nje gjak,. "Gjaku i shprishur" thone ata sepse u detyruan te largoheshin nga trungu meme. Pastaj mos harro, qe nje pjese e madhe e Arberesheve te Italise jane nga Morea, dmth Grek, dhe nuk kishte dallim atehere midis grekeve, dhe shqiptareve te kishes greke. (ose shqiptareve orthodokse)... vetem vone eshte pranuar t'i nderrohej emri i vendbanmit te Arberesheve ne Sicili ne "Piana dei Albanesi", sepse me pare quhej Piana dei Greci... sepse keta te ardhur aty ishin "greke", shqiptare te kishes greke... dhe ata edhe sot e kesaj dite i kane lutjet Bizantine pavaresisht se varen nga Papa i Romes ne hierarkine fetare. Ata jane katolike te ritit lindor (ose Byzantin, aka Grek). Pergezime pa fund per keta te rinj qe po e ruajne traditen, kulturen dhe ghuhen shqip.
Great! Shume mire. Arbereshe, Montreal.
Martin you're doing a tremendous job with the comparing of various Albanian dialects. I live in Greece and I know the Arvanitic dialect pretty well but I understand even some linguistic characteristics of Arberesh. It would be really interesting if I make it to participate on a conversation with both an Arvanitis and an Arberesh. Congratulations on your work anyways.
Mire do ishte, por nese mundesh, ftoji gjithë arvanitet qe munden, te dalin e te flasin ketu.
Shendet!
Bravo. Ju lumte te dyve.
Back to the routs - kthim te rrajt e gjenezs, u lumt atyne, qe e nien, e kuptojn dhe e shprehin, se n'venat e tyne ala rrjedh gjak Iliro - Arbnor.
Kthim te rrenjt e zanafillit me sakt
good to see the kid wanted to remember his roots and practised Albanian, because way too many have forgotten their roots, its sad
Great video
Bravo djema!
Interesante se te vjetrit perdorin edhe termin shqiptare dhe arberore njekohesisht. Psh une kam degjuar te vjetrit kur tregojne ndodhi thone Arberoret per shqiptaret per ti dallu nga jo shqiptaret brenda vendit, me kuptimin Arberore= te bardhe. Pune e bukur Arberesh TV!
The history of Albanian/Arber migrations into Greece is some of the most fascinating and least covered topics.
indeed
There's always been a presence of Albanian speakers since antiquity in what is called Greece. Even Herodotus says that Iliryan/Epirotes tribes lived all the way to the Ambracian Gulf or Arta today. So, it was a "migration" within their own Illyrian Peninsula.
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Well we have concrete evidence in records of Albanian migrations (groups of thousands at time) descending towards Athens and the Peloponnese around the 12th century upon the request of Catalonian/French/Venetian rulers to act as mercenaries in abandoned fortifications along the seaside. After hundreds of years, this population became a distinct component to the overall identity of the region. As to the ancient origins of Albanians, it's clear that there is an ancient Greek component, as well as Thracian and Dardanian elements. The Illyrian claim is more tricky as the area attributed to Illyria is vast, I think it's better to frame such discussions with specific Illyrian tribes that Albanians could have plausibly descended from. And from what we know from sources, Illyrian tribes did not view themselves as a collective and maintained diverse practices of worship.
@@kuashiku. I didn't mention so much the migration towards Peloponesi and Athens. I was speaking mostly about the Albanians that lived all the way to Arta. One of the most prominent Illyro/Epirote tribes that is known since antiquity are the Thesprotians or the Cams, from which the orthodox Cams still live there.
@@dios1ish868 The Chams arent an ancient Epirote tribe,and Epirotans are clearly distinguished from their neighbouring Illyrian tribes in the ancient sources.As far as Epirus Illyrians only raided and didnt settle permanenlty
@4:37 Fan Noli served as Prime Minister and regent of Albania for a short while, but he was Archbishop, Metropolitan and founder of the Albanian Orthodox Church and the Albanian Orthodox Archdiocese in America..
Also, they don't have to be three "theories" because different groups of people moved into that area for different purposes..
It is well known and documented that the Byzantine Emperor Kantakuzenes moved a group of Albanians there from the North Albania to re-populate an area hit by wars and epidemics, people able also to defend it from imminent Ottoman attacks.
Another group there, I have read, connect themselves with builders from Kolonja, Albania area that were brought to build the Selimiye Mosque, of the great architect Sinan (born Joseph) they settled in Zaloufi, still albanophone - when you say "shqiptarke" that's typical for Kolonja/Korça 😊
Te dojni njeri jatrin . Te doni njeri tjetrin
"Qyteze" in modern Albanian means "Small City".
"Qytet" - means "City"
Qyteze fshat shume i bukur ne Devoll njerez te dashur dhe karakteristike kenget me kitare
Kalispera apo Germania, i Giagia & Pappous Arvanites apo Neo Cheomonio / Orestiada. Itane apo Mega Zaloufi
Interesante kjo bisedë!
Dimitris - is there any way to purchase a copy of the Vespers of Love which you translated into Arvanitika? I would LOVE to have a copy and read it in church.
Ju lumt
I dont think they didn't consider arvanitika as a language at all because no one counts mothertongue as known language but only foreign languages. They laughted because they understood the ironi of not counting the mothertongue and because their subconscious knew.
Qytezë in Albania is a special well defined place in Kolonja!!! Fan Noli's ancestors came to Ibrik Tepe from Qytezë!!
Noli origjinën kishte nga Qyteza e Kolonjës,Vërtet lindi në ibrik tepe
Respekte
Please correct me if I am wrong, I don't think I heard even once the word Thracian (as written in the title) mentioned in the video! Curious to know if there is any connection between Arvanitika and Thracian? Cam and Arvanitika speak the same dialect. Albanian litterary version was enforced during communist time . The litterary Albanian was based in a region called Zagoria near Gjirokaster. Just to clarify, in litterary Albanian you say "gjysem" for half but, most Albanians especially mid anf north Albania say "gjymes." Respekt to both of you!
Dimitri is a speaker of Thracian Arvanitika, he discusses this in the video. It isn't about ancient Thracian.
@@Drgezimdautiindeed all the linguist says that albania is the oldest from the Indo-European languages. That's has nothing to do with Nationalist but with facts. Albanians didn't sprouted from nowere as you can see they are in the west of balkan with slavs all around them wich means that they were always there. Albanians are the only nation that their border has albanians greece have the arvanitas, italy the arberesh, Montenegro has albanians kosovo albanias even kosovo is bordering with albanians in serbia albanians north Macedonia albanians ,croatia they have albanians bosnia too. It's not about nationalism its about reality.
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the albanians around europe, keep it up
WOW, that is fabulous! You are right, because Arvanites and Arberesh are before there was an Albanian state. Plus the religious differences. You have no idea how much you are appreciated by Albanians.
Greek state u mean ! In genetic we greek arvanitophones are greeks hidtoricaly and everything
@@katrin715w56w Sure the same way trans women are biological women
we started calling our selves skypetar during the nationalism that was spreading through europe,the word skypetar itself comes from the word shqipetoj or skiptoj like it used to be called before the (q) voice was added in the Albanian languege,which means to understand - to speak clearly among the Albanians not only in mainland albania but other parts too ,the arvanitas by that point had already been assimilated for the most part
Ndoshta edhe nga "vendi i shqiponjave" - une mendoj se edhe fjala qe nuk na pelqen shume "arnaut" qe na therrasin turqit ka lidhje me gjermanet e mesjetes "arnau" eshte shqiponje. Emri Arnold/Arnauld/Arnault (sundues) vjen nga "Arnau".
Sa e bukur ësht kjo gjuha Shqipe
Mbreslenese si dy shqiptare flasin ne gjuhen e vjeter shqipe
💪🏼🇦🇱 rrespekt 🤝
Dhimitri duhet përgëzuar për dëshirën që ka pasur për mësuar gjuhën e pastër shqipe.Dhe arbëreshit falënderime që ka hapur këtë programin në youtube.
Oh sa bukur e flet shqipen 💎💎💎💎
Arberesh and Arvanites are called like this because when their immigration occured the today albanians were called "Arber" . That's the reason the why the Arberesh are called like that and Arvanites are called from Arber or Arven or Arvanon! I speak all 3 languages (Albanian ,Greek and Italian too..) and can make the connections. The letter b from Arber becomes v or "β"... so it becomes αρβανιτ... Μπραβο Δημητρη! Bravo Dhimitri
RESPECT 🇦🇱
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Arvanites from northern Greece came later in in Greece than arvanites of southern Greece! That’s why they say shqiptar!! Arvanites of attiika region came earlier and don’t recognize the word shqiptar!
@@myhyrijexhafa6179 it is both.. there were later waves too, from the northern Gheg Albanians that are also documented because they were not just spontaneous. In many cases they were invited by the Byzantine rulers re-settle areas of today's Greece depopulated through wars, epidemics, and so were vulnerable to the ottoman occupation .. so they were chosen for their ability to fight and hold on to those territories and so they brought along their families and settled there.
Some later movements were motivated to evade Islamization after the Ottoman conquest. I find it fascinating to hear Arvanites speak both Gheg and Tosk.. Many still have clearly typical North Albanian surnames to this day!
@@myhyrijexhafa6179 e sakte
@@lindaS_ e drejtë
No. This is just a lie of modern greeks
For a country which hasn't contributed much to the world and one of the weakest and poorest in Europe albanians talk too much
Bukur!
Martin Im curious, do Arberesh make any references to Epiri or possibly having some connections to Epirotes? Just thinking of Marlin Barleti and other writers who referred to Albanians at that time as Epirote. Even Skenderbeu referred to him as Epriote. Just curious if folks in your village ever talk about that. Appreciate your hard works and videos Brotha!
yes, we know we are Epirotes
there is a village called Santa Sofia d'Epiro
Ky do jete nga origjina e Fan Nolit, edhe ai nga Traka ishte
BRAVOOOO ARVANITES💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯❤🖤💯💥
Jam shqitar, jam Tirons. Informationi i dyte ka te bej me vendin, saktesisht.
Ancient Thracians had E-V13
hm.. so Napflio has an Agio (Saint) Vlassis village! There is a Saint Vlassis / Shen Vlash in Durres also, my maternal grandmother's village!
Wow that’s cool! We come from Morea so it’s relevant because that village is near nafplio
@ yeah, the saint Vlash or Blaise is venerated in several other places in Albania, in both Orthodox and Catholic rites since he lived long before the schism, during the period of persecution of Christians..
But he was a bishop in Durres and was martyred there so this particular Shen Vlash village is very important especially for the Orthodox, with a Theology Seminary, monastery, church, etc., a pilgrimage site from all religious background people as they say healings and miracles were experienced there.. Fascinating place!
Btw I remember reading somewhere that Napflio was really close to becoming the capital of Greece but it didn’t because it was mainly full of Arvanites/Albanians. Can anyone confirm that?
@@TheLegendOfKroi that is what I heard too.. it was the first choice as capital city for Greece. Arvanitia is to this day the name of the most beautiful parts of the city of Nafplio on the seaside.
@@TheLegendOfKroi well if nafplio was full of arvanites what about Athens and the regions around?? 😂😂, the reasons that Nafplio didn't become the capital was that the foreign diplomats and king Otto himself wanted to see Athens as in the past again,in all her glory, anyway even today in Nafplio the most famous coast region is called ARVANITIA
.Have you read the gjon buzuku book?? He tell there that the languag is skipe ( in that time albanian dont have sh or q) because of 3 religions we needed smth to keep us together so the only way was our language who waa called shqip so we became from arber to shqiptar
The same way an Arber from Greece is confused about the term Shqiptar, I also used to be confused until I come to realize that being Shqiptar does not have to do with ethnicity.
Shqiptaria is an ideology, it is not an ethnicity.
Albanians never stopped being Arber. My great grandfather was an Arber, why did i stop being an Arber and got transformed into Shqiptar?
That is because Shqiptaria is an ideology. It came as an idea from the Arbers of Italy during Albanian Renaissance.
Shqiptaria was a philosophy that was born at the times when a nation divided between Abrahamic religions needed a common element. Arbers of different religion (orthodox, catholic, or muslims) had to have a common belief in order to distinguish themselves from other nations.
Turkey used islam as pillar of its foundation, other Balkan countries used orthodoxy and catholicism as pillars of their countries foundations.
Albanians invented the notion of Shqiptaria, which was an idea of including all religions and accept each other differences in the name of Arberia; which later on become to be known as Shqiptaria.
So in other words, i am an still Arber that believes in the philosophy Shqiptaria. Being a shqiptar is like a lifestyle, is like choosing to be a stoic, or a buddhist, or practitioner of a certain religion.
The phisolphy of Shqiptaria includes many elements in itself, one of them is the heritage of Arberia which includes the language, traditions, history, common background and many more.
Hope this help:) keep up with the good work!
You are mistaken. Albanians started calling themselves Shqipetare instead of Arbereshe long before nationalism/Albanian Renaissance. It was a natural evolution of the ethnonym over time. We have plenty of evidence of Albanians calling themselves Shqipetare before this. Shqiptare replaced Arbereshe in the late 17th/early 18th century.
This is why the man in this video, from Thrace, says his people call themselves Shqipetare in their dialect of Albanian. They were no where near where Albanian nationalism was happening. They didn't suddenly change their ehtnonym.
"The name Arbën/Arbër is an ancient name of a nation and people and is even older than the names shqip, shqiptar, Shqipëri, and Shqipni, which dominate today. In Albania, this name is alive from the South to the North.
Regarding the expansion of the national name, it can be said that this name had an expansion of geographical use in the 14th century. It is thought that this name was expanded all over the country since the Skenderbeu era, by evolving from a tribe or province’s name to a national name of the country. This name was also taken by those who were ousted to Greece and Italy in the 14th and 15th century, who did not recognize the name shqiptar, Shqipni/Shqipëri, etc., which is seen to be younger and born or generalized in Albania after their displacement. [4, P.65]"
"The words Shqipëri and Shqiptar are attested from 14th century onward, but it was only at the end of 17th and beginning of the early 18th centuries that the placename Shqipëria and the ethnic demonym Shqiptarë gradually replaced Arbëria and Arbëreshë amongst Albanian speakers in the Balkans."
@@roolentodd395 I am not sure to what evidences you are referring to, but the first historian that recorded Albanian history in Albanian language is Marin Barleti, and in all of his writings Albanians are either called as Arbers, Macedoninas, or Epirotans. Shqiperia was not invented as an idea at middle ages, and Barleti does not mentioned it in none of his books.
@@TheAldo20011 You can speculate and come up with many other theories about the origin of the term "Shqiptar", the point is that the reason why Shqiptaria was embraced as an idea it was because it was used as a philosophy of unification.
People did not start to call themselves shqiptar just because they wanted it and thought it was cool to do so.
It was through Albanian Renaissance that writers in Arbersh communities in Italy, and other colonies at other countries in Balkans started to come together and develop the ideology of Shqiptaria.
Albanian Renaissance started to develop at those times when speaking Albanian was considered as heresy in Orthodox church and haram in the High Porte.
That was the time when the underground newspapers and writings started to use the term Shiptaria alongside with the one of Arberia.
Shqiptaria was a term that was embraced out of necessity in order to unify a nation divided by different Abrahamic believes.
I mentioned in the comment above, that Marin Barleti never used the term Shqiptaria in none of his writings and that is an indicator to me that Shqiptaria was not a know name during middle ages. Even if it was around as a term, it must have been of small significance, because if it would have been important, Barleti would have mentioned it at least once.
I still believe that Shqiptaria it is just an ideology, Albanians never stopped being Arber. Yes we are Arbers that believe in Shqiptaria, but people of different background can also become Shqiptar if they embrace its philosophy language and tradition. Bottom line Albanians ethnicity is Arber, mainstream ideology that they follow is Shqiptaria.
so, anyone can be Albanian if they follow the lifestyle? doesn’t that sound like any other ethnicity out there? ethnicities have been created as a result of shared experiences, customs, moral law, etc. the Albanian identity is a social construct just like any other culturally-bonded social group
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@ARBERESH TV my friend i would suggest you that when you are trying to compare the albanian language with arberesh or arvanitika should include also the many dialects that albanian is spoken because you will find many more words that can not find in standart albanian
Yes we do that in other videos. Subscribe
@ I have checked the other videos but sometimes the guys that you talk to some of them live outside albania for a long time and they speak mostly the standart albanian. anyway congratulations for such initiatives
Respect for Dhimitri 👏🏻 can we have his Instagram or Facebook?
Respect for u guys,this was a great video ❤️
So the arvanitica is going to be difficult to preserve if the youth is not learning it now.
His family more likely is from South East of Albania.
Sa ndikim ka pasur arrdhja e shqipëtareve në kuzhinën italiane?
Shqiptaret jerdhin vetem në vitrat 1990, nuk ka influence
@ e kam fjalën për arbëreshet duke përdorur fjalen "shqipëtar" si term i përgjithshem.
Kam degjuar qe cannolo siciliano edhe pse quhet "sicilian" eshte tradite arbereshe te sicilise.
@@vasimargariti Arbereshet jane autoktone aty o vlla ,mos degjoni propaganda greke dhe italiane ,serbe e turke .
So is sem
Ju Lumtë
nga ulqini deri ne konstadinopoja jemi shqiptar arvanit
Fiks kjo eshte dhe harta para 2500 vjeteve
Albanians in Kosova we also call ourselves Shqiptar..that doesnt mean though that we moved to Kosova after the term 'Skipetar' took over from 'Arber'. It just means that we adopted to the new name like the rest of Albanians. Even here you will find people that try to separate themselves from Albania and out emphasis on our identity as Kosovare and even prefer using the ghegh dialects..but yeah we dont really take them that serious.
Also it aint complicated that the Arvanitika guy said that we called our self Skiptar but Albanians that came from Albania we called Arvanitika..yeah you did as the other Greeks do.
I would like to get in touch guys. I actually can corroborate the story about Qyteza and Fan Noli
Corroborate how? Let’s speak
Om det finns många andra har inte varit så bra att utveckla
@what do you want to speak about?
Αρβανιτεσ +Αλβανί
I am Turkish. Hahahahahaha.
Respect u guys!
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Tqifsha turqin
Turk with name Timur?
Looks like a mongol to me
Simon, Albanian speakers in Thrace are not Arvanitis but Albanian. They are recent migrants from south-eastern Albania that migrated during the 1700-1800s. Greeks call all Albanian speakers in Greece Arvanitis out of insecurity, even Albanian settlement next to the Albanian border are called Arvanitis, to "distinguish" them from Albanians even though this label is incorrect. The label is only correct for Albanian speaking communities that settled Greece during the late middle ages.
this is what they call themselves in Greek and English. For them an Alvanos is someone from Albania and they are Shkjiptar, only them.
@ Well re-watch your own interview, he calls his language Shkip, a proper Arvanitis would not say that because they separated from the main body of Albanians before this new concept entered the Albanian consciousness, so the word Shkip would be alien to a real Arvanitis. The Thracian community are not decedent from Arvanitis linguistically or blood, they are literally immigrants from south-eastern Albania, two-three centuries ago. They are not a branch of Arvanitis. This label on them is a political maneuver. You should not be using the enemies language or give this abuse of the term your support. Greek policy in general is to not even acknowledge Albanian speakers in south Albania as Albanian if they are Orthodox. This is clear cut and consistent act of bad faith, you should not support this artificial wedge they created. Your guest's cousin Fan Noli, established the Albanian Orthodox church, not the Arvanitis Orthodox church, take a guess why.
@ They have arrived in Greece very late!! For sure after the name shkipëtar/shqipëtar was coined!! That's why they call themselves Shkipëtar not Arvanitas! Greeks call them Arvanitas because of the language!!
@@zjarr6279 arvanitic meant from Arvania (albania). Today's conception of arvanite has changed but this group of arvanites came circa 1700. So just like Shqiptar is a new Concept also Arvanite as those ONLY from 1300s is a new concept. Arvanite just means albanian in greek. Which type of which era is a late concept. So the term should be Thracian Arvanite
@@denissaliaj9459 Yeah my point is still valid, this dialect is not an offshoot of Arvanitic, but an offshoot of south Albanian.
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Ky arvaniti nga Greqia do jete tosk
Tosk jane dhe arbereshet,ska gege asnje
@@suintilasuinti3831 E di
@@suintilasuinti3831
ka edhe Gege, jan nje pjes qe edhe mbajn flamurin e Dukagjinasve jo ate te Kastrioteve,ndodhen ne
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@@alb-333 Geget jane te vajtur,arbereshet jane te gjithe tosk,jane pasardhesit e Etruskeve ,nuk ka pas geg atehere ,pervec gegelsave te Maqedonise ,sllavoindiane
@@suintilasuinti3831 nuk esht e vertet aspak. Arbereshet geg I thoshin gjuhes qe e flistin. Gegnishtja esht me e vjeter sesa toskerishtja
You speak better shqip , do ishre më bukur fë flisnit gjuhën më të vjeter në botë ,gjuhen e perendive ,Alban
Cfare flamuri kane Arvanitas??
kuq e zi o trullan
@@TheCriticalAnalyst flamurin grek! ata e ndjejne veten grek!
kete flamur 🇦🇱🇦🇱
@@illyrian3057 ke ik per lesh, arvanitasit kan therur mijera shqiptare mysliman!
Flamurin e Skenderbeut.
Ju duam shume ❤❤❤
Ce do me neve?
Respekt , vetem respekt per Ju
Ulem ne gjunje para juve
Unfortunately I don't understand Albanian or Arvanitika.
i am arvanite and i live in germany.
We are proud Orthodox Greeks.
My ancestors come from the village of Neo Chemonio, near Orestiada.
They came there about 100 years ago from the city of MEGA ZALOUFI. There they were expelled by the Turks
Before that my ancestors came about 1500 from Gjirokastro in North Epirus.
The sultan called them to build the mosque in Adrianoupoli.
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Triste la storia degli albanesi. Nel medioevo. Albanesi venivano costretti cambiare la propria religione ortodossa catolica.islamisti turchi usavano albanesi di allora come schiavi.turchia per le atrocità compiute durante dominazione per 5 lunghi secoli non può essere mai amico del popolo meraviglioso albanese . 👍🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱👋🇮🇪
@@deborahpavia838 Deborah there are many misconceptions here. Albanians in the south were mostly affiliated with the Orthodox Church but in the North most were Catholics going as far back as the 10th century. The conversion to Islam was a gradual process with many including my ancestors adopting it in the 19th century.
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yavri mou You can fel as a Piec of shit to Bastard if you are Arvanitas ask your Father or Mother why they still speak the Divine language so if you are Greek you are Gipsy ried if you can :
Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this
In Italy no body stopped Arbereshet to speak in Greece even today you can't some Greeks are very afraid about the truth there is a lot of Albania people in Greece
It’s not true, they stopped it for a very long time in Italy
We atribute tha fact that Arberesh where able to preserve their identity relatively better than the Arvanites in greece ,to the idea that italy didn’t oppress or forbid or excommunicate you as the Greek state and church did to Arvanites or other ethnicities for that matter…
Can you please tell more or share some source links about what you said above ?
@ veramente? Non pensavo fosse successo. Mi puoi dire che periodo?
That is not True.Arvanitika are both spoken and in songs. We have many singers that sing in Arvanitika.Spiros Berbos for example.
@@Lullubekatsas it’s true that there are still some ( not many though) Arvanites still singing and speaking their Arvanites languege , as long as thay are very clear to publicly express that they are not of Albanian culture , language. That “have been thought “ that their culture and language has nothing to do with Arberia-Albania-Arberesh… because that how the Greek state wants them to feel as an subgroup of Hellenic culture , nothing more … otherwise that have problems 😉
Shqipetar = Yshkyptar = ata e vijne nga Shkupi (1650-1710)
Ke pare kete te libre?
@ Studim neper arkivat Osmane, 1650-1710 kryeministra te Perandorise Osmane, Qypryllinjte nga Rroshniku i Beratit, ne menyre te panderprere nga Gjyshi tek Sternipi. Periudha kur Shqipetaret bene aleance te forte me Perandorine Osmane, u perhapen neper gjithe territoret e saj si administratore, ushtarake, shkrimtar doktor dijetar, zgjodhen fene Islame dhe krijuan bazen per mireqenien e tyre dhe popujve te tjere per 200 vitet e ardhshme.
pra Shqiptar na thirren osmanet,meqe ishim nga Shkupi? po Shqiponjes si ja vum emrin Shqiponj? apo edhe ate na e mesuan Osmanet nga Uskubi ne Shqiponj?!!! e rujt zoti ate qe paska lexu arkivat Osmane...@@ilirsinanaj123
@@Tuta25Tuta5 po rren ky mut. Shiko qysh e lavdron turkun
Dy and di is not different. Dy is standard language that we learned at school, while di is southwest (himare, sarande, gjirokaster) and northeast (diber). Also gjysem gjisem. Y is rarely used in southwestern Albania in spoken language. It is one of an endless list of "corrected" words to standardize the language.
How do you mean by it’s not different? They are different phonologically speaking
@ I mean they are both Albanian and still used depending on the region. So saying that in Albanian it is "dy" is wrong. It is both dy and di, regardless of which one a small group of "linguists" decided to adopt for the official language.
@ARBËRESH TV what he means to say is that people from southwest Albania or Chams pronounce two as "di" instead of "dy" so people who are acquainted with these dialects know what they mean
@ we speak both of them di or dy,dy is mor standard and di depends from the regions.
I think your origin is 99% from korca my friend arvaniti! Because of your accent! They use “y” I’m from south Albania also , from tepelena and we don’t use “y” we don’t say gjysem, we say gjisem! We speak like Arvanites from south Greece!! And korca with tepelena are both in south Albania, but I am maybe 100 klm southern! You speak with korca accent!!
tamam, dialekti tere si nga ana ime (korçe)
@@ofApollonia Dialekti I jugut
That's not true! Albanians all over speak differently. My wife is from Kosova, a town that borders Macedonia, and they say Gjisem while my family from Kacanik say Gjysem. In Macedonia you have Albos that use both Gjysem and Gjisem. There were geg Arvanites and Tosk Arvanites that inhabited Greece just like Macedonia is inhabited by Albos and Arvanites. You have Arvanites in Macedonia, but they call themselves Shqiptar.
I love it how these days both Greece and Albania want to claim the Arvanites.
The fact is this………
Neither Greece nor Albania wanted the Arvanites.
- Greece because politically was never and still isn’t favourable to promoting and ethnic minority within its borders.
- Albania because religiously Arvanites are far predominantly religiously Orthodox and fought against the Ottomans and Chams.
Both nations did absolutely nothing to retain our language (whether you consider it distinct or dialect). Schools that existed were shut down and no new schools were opened.
With the population exchanges after the wars and forced resettlement most records have been destroyed especially in Albania once communism took control.
We stayed safe and strong in our communities and villages in Southern Albanian, Attica, Corinth, Evia etc which allowed us to retain our customs however with every generation everything is slowly disappearing.
All of the above I write from first hand experience from my grandparents, parents and myself.
From one side of my family I am historically from a geographic point from modern Albania and from the other side of my family I am historically from a geographic point from modern Türkiye.
We were forced out of both Albania and Türkiye.
We have always been Christian Orthodox.
We say we are Arvanit and we are Greek.
lol Arvanitis are the albanians, modern greeks want to claim as they dont have history
Shqipëria e don Arvanitasit ❤
You are orthodox Albanians but have been brainwashed by Greek nationalism. Sad....
You are indeed Orthodox albania.. guess how many Orthodox albanians live in albania.. 17% orthodox albanian live in albania and they call themselves albanians. The sons of the heroes of 1821 was referring to albanians as brothers and 3 times almost unite albania and greece as the blood doesn't turn to water even if the slavs and the turks wanted to do so.. but all arvanites heroes of 1821 had a bad death because they weren't greeks but albanians and specially theodor bythgura had an alliance with Ali farmaki who was muslim cham.
@ylberramoshi1698 its the other way around, albania has barely any history. As for Greece there is not even a debate about how rich their history is. And lately albanians have started to make a lot of claims on Greek history, including calling Arvanites whom they persecuted as their own people, but in history they were never accepted by albania as albanias, they were persecuted, massacred and exiled by Albanians.
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The way you say it "Agio Valasi"... most probably you are saying "Saint Basil" (Shen Vasil in Albanian) (Agio Basilis in Greek). Mbreti i shenjte - the Saint King.
No, it’s Agio Valassi, it’s a different name
@ OK, I was just checking.
We also have Shen Vlashi (or ShenaVlash) in Albania. I had not seen "Valassi".
Again, the outmost respect on the great job you do for keeping up the Arberesh language and culture.
@@hks4133Shen vasili' its in new albanian...but before 200 400 years albanians orthodox of greek church they said 'Agio' means saint its nothing weird..its normal Everything who has to do with orthodox greek church like 'thank you' or the songs of orthodox churches pr orthodox names like Georgios ...the albanians speak it in greek or in latin from another side of land...thats all that doesnt mean enything about origin but we respect the religions and we practisce them before...Today we say Gjergj before 400 we say Georgios thats all or giorgio in latin i think
@@panos3263 Yep, no problem at that. "Shen" in Albanian, Agio in Greek, Saint in English... each people use their own language. My point was more with "Valasi"... or something pronounced like that... I thought the speaker was talking about Vasili (Saint Vasili) (Basil/king). Have a great day.
@@panos3263nobody said giorgios 400 years ago. Probably Jorghi Jorgji Gjorgji but never giorgios
OK, you mentioned books; we Albanians can't do much for Arberesh/Arvanites communities, but by any means let me know if I can be of any help with word collection and "translation"... not all Albanians speak proper Albanian... similar to not all Italians from various regions do not speak standard Italian... and that could raise confusions; "half" in Albanian is "gjys" "gjysme" "gjysem" depending from what region they are... there are several zones especially in central Albania who say "gjymes"... and if you would be trying to learn Albanian and come across with an Albanian teacher of the communist era, they would teach you only the standard form; which in many cases is way out of what people say in communication. During the regime, people who spoke in dialects were frown upon, not given government positions, and were forced to learn to speak the standard form sanctioned by communist government in 1972. I know Italian well, and have basic understanding of Greek, so feel free if you want someone to double check vocabulary, or peer-review of material you are using. I write the standard Albanian, and speak very close to the standard language, but I have had a wide exposure to various dialects and forms of Albanian. I see sometimes artists or other people of the media answer incorrectly to another Albanian journalist, because the word in standard Albanian is different from the word the journalist used, or it means something different from what it is used locally. Best wishes in what you do! You make us so proud, without Arberesh, probably there would have not been an Albania; and without Arvanites, the Greek War of Independence would have not been what it was.
Ku shkruhet kjo për Fan Nolin,Personalisht se kamë hasur në asnjë libër,Nasho Jorgaqi është biografi fanatik i Nolit,ai se përmend këtë fakt(Nëse do të ishte i tillë)
Te tere fshatin e nolit iperzune me force nga epiri ijugut drejt trakes ,lexo me shume.
Nuk po kuptoj mire… pak