The Weirdest Disks Ever
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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YES!!! Moar weird and obscure disks!! Actually MOAR WEIRD AND OBSCURE EVERYTHING!!! I love this kind of stuff!!! Weird tech is AMAZING!!! - I hope you can do a video on the OPTICAL RECORD!!! (you might know it as the video record, or video on vinyl) lol The YT channel 'Technology Connections' did a who series on it and he dove REALLY DEEP into it.. but you guys could a 5 min video on just that... an occasional deep dive into the really strange formats are, I think, a GREAT IDEA.... maybe do your first series (I think) on weird storage formats... with most of them doing the overview of a few of them, but then once in a while dedicate an entire episode to one really interesting one... like video on vinyl (I'm starting toi think that maybe it wasn't an optical format.. I forget tbh lol... and I REALLY don't want watch Technology Connections' series all over again lol)
- I think this channel has GREAT POTENTIAL that you guys just don't use all that much.... oh m,an I would LOVE to be able to give you guys my ideas for 5 minute videos :)
Hey do a vid on Microdrive cf2 cards. I know you know exactly what they are and why theyre cool.
Ofcourse we want more wierd media formats hosted by Anthony 👍🏻
yes please
We get it, you love Anthony. Stop polluting the comment section now, it feels like this has been going on for 5 years
@@laupoke it's my first time commenting something like this, so leave me alone with your complaints 🙏
@@HaroldKuilman good point, but please, do not continue it.
YES YES we need more
Anthony is really good at this. I still remember his first time. He never disappointed, if anything.. i prefer him over everyone else now LOL.
Imation Corp. created the LS-120 in 1996. it was based on the original 1.44MB floppy technology but could be formatted at 120MB. There was a big push for these back in the late 90s but short lived due to the CD-RW showing it up in almost every way. It was better at file deletion though since you had to either lose the space in a CD-RW or format it to recover the space. It seemed like a pretty big deal to me at the time but I didn’t know anyone else who had one.
Many music CDs had computer media content on them (Music videos and behind the scenes content) but for some reason they only work on old Macs now. Like the Barenaked Ladies - Shoebox E.P.
It's a bit sad but I remember all of them and some more... the 120MB floppies (also compatible with normal floppies, I remember some Compaq workstations had them), 2.88MB ED disks, MO disks (bigger than ZIPs) etc.
Once, the Latvian Ministry of Transport provided the Transport of Russia newspaper with non-classified data on an optical disk. For some time, attempts were taken to shove it into a zip drive, to no avail. Then the disk was identified, but in all of Russia there were only 4 devices for reading these disks. It was eventually read, but it was despicable on the part of the Latvian Ministry of Transport.
A thing on the PSP and UMDs as well: The console could play MP4 as well. As can the Vita.
In addition, I think some DVD rippers of the time actually offered PSP size output.
After many years as a technology and car enthusiast I've learned that if you want to sell a product the most important thing to care about in production is making it reliable and easy to use. Even if it is weaker in performance and more expensive than other competing products
I used *LS-120 disks* as they were nearly same size as 1.44 disks but held *120mb* installed into a PC the drive itself could also read normal disks.
I like when the Anthony talks. Also, this is the time to pick up those UMDs and other PSP stuff if anyone is interested in collecting.
Yes, absolutely! And, more weird tech stuff from the past in general!
Call me Old, but I used to use ZIP disk and Mini Disc, infact if not mistaken, I have almost 50 blank MDs, having fun recording those TV theme song into them.
3.5" floppy discs were, of course, floppy. They were encased in a hard case but the disc itself was floppy. Saying it wasn't a floppy disc is like saying a CD-ROM inside a caddy isn't optical media.
I used to have an LS-120 drive. I was surprised you didn't cover that one.
One thing since he mentioned the fact that 3½" floppy disks aren't floppy. People were unsurprisingly confused by the 3½" floppy disk being called a floppy disk due to its hard plastic enclosure. It was really named based on the flexible disk inside the enclosure. The names have always been about the disk-shaped storage mediums, from 5¼ to the hard disk drives, not their enclosures. I think the confusion is because the measurements of these disks are the enclosure measurements, not the measurements of the storage medium itself, so some people see the enclosure as the disk itself. Even CDs used to have protective enclosures that were inserted like floppy disks, once upon a time; but, again, the enclosure wasn't the CD, it was just a protective enclosure for the CD.
You guys need to do a video about the LS120 3.5" disketts (120MB). These things were awesome back in the 90's.
I totally recommended them to look into these! We had one in or silicon graphics machine in 1998.
The Sega Dreamcast actually isn't capable of reading the graphics portion of a CD+G disc. It can however play MIL-CDs, which only 8 discs were ever produced, and it led to the downfall of the DC by not including proper security to keep unsigned code from loading..oopies. :)
The first CD based console to have CD+G supported discs was the Philips CD-i (910 model), released in December of 1990, in the USA. Some others would be the Sega CD add-on, TG16 CD add-on, Turbo Duo, and 3DO. I'm not aware of any others that could play the G from the CD+G discs. Maybe Saturn could.. I forget. I know it could play Karaoke discs with the MPEG-1 encoder cartridge in the bay. So it's possibly CD+G compatible. Some of my favorite CD+G discs are the Jimmy Hendrix - Smash Hits (has a lot of psychedelic images flashing.. As it should! Along with lyrics), Information Society (this is the very first disc that I realized that CD+G was a thing.. I owned that and the Jimi CDs years before I had a means to play them. The boxes (long cardboard outer box).. Kids, Wikipedia it!. :P it has a lot of cool stuff on it. Lyrics, and in between it had little popups with information.. Hey, like the band's name!.. It was Popup Videos years before VH1 did it (kids.. Google it).
Mini-disc and UMD could and should have replaced zip/jazz discs but Sony crippled them by not making them available to PC users for files
A floptical style housing would have preserved so many discs from scratches.
You missed my favorite - the Magneto Optical drive. It was my overly expensive and preferred backup medium for about 13 months. Worked like a champ. You needed a SCSI port or USB to SCSI dongle . The Maxoptics (a division of Maxtor - then a dominant hard drive player) drive could store to 2.6GB (1.3GB per side) and eventually could do 9.2GB. It was the standard drive in the NEXT computer which proved to be its greatest flaw. Running a virtual memory Unix variant OS on a drive that only wrote at 140KB/sec was a major drawback. It took quite a while to boot. Many users just pulled the MO drive out and put in an off the shelf Seagate which ran around 120MB/sec in the day. It would be interesting to see a graphic of the progression of media for PC's specifically. From Cassette all the way up to NVME RAID. --- By the way, I just cleaned out a storage area and found a 1/4" tape drive, this MO drive, a Bernouli and a Zip drive. The MO fired right up (in a virtual machine running XP with the USB SCSI dongle) and yes my files are all there from 1998. I was evidently looking into Neural Networks and had a fairly dated article downloaded from Dr. Dobbs Journal.
Even if it's a quickie, you gotta wrap that stickie.
My first PC at work had a 10MB HDD.
My first home PC had a 10GB HDD and I though it impossible to ever fill that up!
Now, this ASUS VivoBook laptop has 1TB M.2 sata.
You should do a follow up to failed formats and do a segment about CED, it's development and commercial failure brought rca into bankruptcy.
Minidisc episode please. I need my self esteem lifted after I committed fully to them and never forgave myself
The Floptical reminds me of Sony MD technology, but less robust
Yes want a part 2
yes please more weird storage media please
Have 8-bit guy cohost with you in the next one! He has a collection.
3:34 Grammarly lesson over.
Need to get Dan involved to finally do the battle of SACD vs DVD-A
Please put my mind to rest, i was under the impression that a floppy disk was 720 kb, and were covered in cardboard. A stiffy disk was 1.44 mb and encased in plastic. Or am i just having a senior moment. Someone please help.
Please more obscure media format history. We will forgive, but not forget!
More weird disc videos please, Anthony.
It must have been challenging (possibly, even embarrassing) promoting that awful Grammarly software for the intelligent gang at LTT.
Is it just me, or did your inner 12 year old giggle every time he's said floptical
Media standards are such a rabbit hole
I subscribed because of this guy!
I need mo disk history!
Anthony is such a fantastic presenter, love it when he does content like this.
I think not enough credit is given to Linus for the way he built his company and gathered his talented staff... Some of whom have become front faces we all love to see.
We get it, you love Anthony. Stop polluting the comment section now, it feels like this has been going on for 5 years
@@laupoke how is it polluting the comments by complimenting someone that's come a long way? When Anthony first started presenting videos, you could tell it wasn't his thing. He came off as kind of awkward and unsure of himself. Look at him now, there's a level of confidence in the way he speaks and presents. That should be applauded
I wish he was on camera less. He has a face for radio.
Only his voice could be ok
For those wondering, sega consoles could read CD+G because the karaoke buisness is BIG in Japan, and so it made sense for them to include the functionality in their CD based consoles.
Sega even had a Karaoke add on w/ microphone included for the Mega CD (Sega CD) in Japan only.
PC Engine CD Rom/Duo/PC FX, 3DO. FTowns Marty as well
And IIRC, that functionality was the entry point for breaking copy protection on the Dreamcast. Sega went as far as develop their own disc standard (GD-ROM) to store games, and remembered to protect the audio CD mode, but seemingly forgot about the karaoke format.
@@Vitosi4ek1 It wasn't the CD+G standard that served as the backdoor to pirated CDs, but the mil-CD standard, a new interactive audio CD proprietary format that only got a handful of releases, in Japan only. It offered more than just graphics (it could do full motion video, online capabilities, interactive menus etc.)
No really? Asians are into karaoke? No one could expect that!
Old GameCube disks are actually mini DVDs. I've still got some empty disks just to burn some GameCube games using a regular DVD writer.
yes they are, they just had their index on the outer track, and all files that require quick read, because the outer tracks spin faster. thats why you need a modchip, because a dvd writer would write that on the inner tracks
Only disappointed LS120 wasn't mentioned, which I thought was going to be the successor to floppy and bought into. Still got a few disks around and looking for a drive to see if they're still readable.
I mean superdisk was basically the same technology as floptical afaik, just higher capacity.
@@markrathgeber9858 Fair enough.
I used LS120s too! I thought that was going to be the new standard.
we still use LS120s in my office. IDE adapters galore but you can't beat em for all around backwards compatibility . they need to start making them again. they are perfect for flashing the BIOS and older applications that demand a floppy but forgot the actual size of a floppy.
@@blooddiamond5396 Wow, I had a friend with an LS-120, but I haven't seen it for a quarter of a century.
Anthony is the best. Amazing presenter and such a clear and powerful voice
Yes, more weird ancient tech please!
I was there Gandalf. I was there 3,000 years ago.
I think the main reason why floptical disks never really took off was because the drives were really expensive. I worked in a computer supplies shop at the time. We sold the disks, and people would ask how much it cost for a drive that would take them. When they found it it cost about £650 (equivalent to £1250 today), they lost interest in the idea.
Killed by sticker-shock: The fact that the physical appearance floptical discs was very reminiscent of dirt-cheap HD floppy discs made that price difference an almost impossible sell.
Beggars! LTO tape drives start at 5K, carefully designed not to support old tapes! 😂
Yup, this. I knew about these optical options at the time and would have loved to get one for my home PC, but the cost of the drives and the media itself were what stopped me. I ended up with a Zip drive instead.
I remember getting my first CD burner. It was $100 and very slow. But I could finally burn my own music to CD to listen on my portable CD player!
same - no buffer underrun protection either - if another program started doing heavy HDD access, drive lost the data stream and you got a coaster
I had to wait to be given a hand-me-down burner. By this point some personal CD players could read WMA files so I could get loads of albums onto one disc at 128kbps! 😂😂😂 My whole music collection was pirated off borrowed CDs ripped in Windows Media Player. So young and dumb lol.
I paid $300 for mine, I was an early adopter. The blank disks were super expensive too.
I used to record video game music on cassette tapes. When I had access to a CD burner in 1996, I was floored. I hooked the consoles to the PC and made CD-quality recordings and my own video game music audio CDs. This was when CD-Rs cost $10 each and had actual gold plating. Those CDs still work to this day.
@@mattsword41 I remember I had a junk one and one of my friends had just come back from store with a game he bought. I was going to put it in to my computer, but I snuck the CDR on top, pretended to stumble and drop the disk. I stepped on it perfectly and the metal flaked off all over the place. The look on his face was priceless.
I used an Iomega Zip in college. They were fragile as well and intended for storage only. However, users frequently ran files off the zip disk directly when actively working. This led to "the click of death" and Zip became the poster child of the phrase.
I had a bunch of Jaz drives in college, basically a hard drive with removable platters. They were expensive but they were reliable, never had one go out on me.
I duno if I'm remembering wrong, but also remember the getting super hot
I didn't have any issues with my zip drives. Took them too and fro school in they were thrown around a lot.
we used superdisks in my high school CAD class, 10x more fragile than zips as they were the same form factor as normal 3.5" floppys
Zip drives never lived up to their promise because of that fragility: it's not like you *expected* your disc and/or drive to be "committing suicide" just by being used.
Fun fact, the 3.5" floppy was called a floppy because it was effectively a miniaturization of the old 5.25" and 8" actually floppy disks, and even the actual 3.5" disc itself was floppy inside of the external case we are all more familiar with.
We called it a stiffy.. 😂
Yeah, "it wasn't actually floppy" was wrong, the *disk* was floppy… the case wasn't.
Despite the confusion with the HDD, I always referred to them as hard disks, because I'd grown up using the actually floppy 5.25's.
no the 3.5 are called a diskette. not a floppy, and was not a miniaturisation, it's a completely different mechanism, apart from them both being magnetic disks.
Disagree, the diskette was always a diskette and never a floppy. Floppy was just a name the common folk got used to from indeed the 5,25" and 8" floppy disc era, but a definite misnomer by the ignorant and foolish non-techies.
The same thing happened with the terms hacker and cracker. A hacker is someone that hacks up hardware to utilize it very differently than intended. A cracked is someone who cracks the security of software to gain entry. Yet common folk, especially morrons on the news, tend to use the term hacker for what is supposed to be a cracker. Just like they used the term floppy for a diskette.
More obscure formats please. I also want to hear about HD-DVD's failure to beat Blu-ray
That'll be a 5 second video. It lost simply because Sony included a Blu-Ray player in the PS3. The PS3 was cheaper than standalone blu ray players at the time, so it was a no brainer. Easy market share boost.
I would actually like a deep dive on that. There was so much buzz in the day regarding this, the Microsoft vs Sony battle would be a good segment.
Techmoan has me covered, thanks. xD
No, but seriously, always nice to see quick takes from Anthony.
Not being from a developed nation, it's always interesting to see all the throngs of media tech that we never got here from the US, but particularly the throngs of stuff that didn't transfer from Asia to the West well due to cultural differences and whatnot.
Anthony is the friend I want but can't reach. Love to see him doing episodes!
I’d love to see more vids in obscure formats. Like who remembers SuperDisk. That’s what I thought this was going to be about. That was an odd little format that did 120MB on something that looked like a floppy. But appeartly it did that at the same speed as floppy.
When I went to Uni in the late 90s all the lab PCs had SuperDisk, super handy to have that one disk that had all my course work on it
This dude has charisma gushing out of ever pore. If he did a video about his last s**t, i'd probably watch it.
I definitely read the UA-cam notification wrong
In South Africa we called 3 1/4 inch disks "stiffy disks". Floppy was reserved to the larger, actually floppy disks.
Yes I'd always like more weird media of the past, especially because Anthony seems to know his stuff.
Man, the early 2000's was great, burning our own discs, sharing music with friends, buying a whole bottle of cd and cd laser cleaner, then the ipod happened lol
We need computer and game history videos. This one was great!
Please tell me I wasn’t the only one that read the video title wrong 😂😂😂😂
LOL
Yeah, if you are reading dicks in titles, thats more telling about you than anything. #freudian
Same
Gross lol
lol 🤦♂️
Would love to see you cover Minidisks, and all the variants of length and data that came out
It's time to utilise this digital units with the option accepting diversity in the digital space. Like i'm already involved with a digital assured passive process with the assitance of qn authority, making it my choice to rely on there instagram insights
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We always want more of this stuff Anthony!
Always want to see more content with Anthony ☺️
You guys should do a video on memory latency timings and which of the 4 numbers given matter the most and how they correspond to the RAM’s performance. If you haven’t already that is.
actually, 3.5" floppy disks were floppy as they were made of the same material as the 5.25" disks but only with a hard shell to protect it. I remember my friends calling them "hard disks" when they first came out. because they didn't know that hard disks referred to the hard disk drives with metal platters.
Anthony, you are very knowledgeable, and so I am sure you know this, and I wish rather than perpetuating the myth you had actually explained it... 3.5" floppy discs were floppy, it is simply the cases they were in were rigid.
Over the years (mostly back when they were relevant) I destroyed so many 3.5" floppies to demonstrate why they were called floppies... fortunately no one ever asked me to destroy a hard drive to show the difference.
The fact that high density floppies said "HD" on them didn't help as many people during the 5 1/4" / 3.5" crossover period described the 3.5" floppies as hard discs didn't help... most people didn't have hard drives back then.
I was really early into the minidisc, it was soooo nice when it came out as a portable music-player. Was dreaming about minidiscs entering the PC-world, still think thats a missed opportunity.
Heck it could've probably still be viable today, the size of a minidisc competes with a USB-stick imho and with todays blueray-tech and beyond the could probably fit alot of capacity in that format of a disc
I remember coming back from school watching movies inside the bus on my way home with PSP. It was really ahead of its time, because most people had only music players
i freaking loved my mini-disk walkman. i ran that thing 24/7, copying and mixing at night, running all day, with on-the-fly editing and moving tracks around.
The 8 Bit Guy did a great video on "108 Rare and Bizarre Media Types" worth a look.
I know technology connections already had his rant video on them, but I'd to hear Anthony's take on flexplay DVDs, the failed attempt at a disposable rental disc.
I'd love to see a Technology Connections collab. Maybe him and Anthony? That would be fun.
What about the LS-120 Superdisk Drive? Much like the floptical drive?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk
The first computer I built was an original AMD Athlon 800MHz, and I had bought a SuperDisk drive for it because I wanted my PC to be truly next-gen. I thought Super Disks would be bigger than Zip disks because they ran on the IDE bus and were way faster, and they still supported traditional floppy disks. It actually read floppy disks way faster, too.
Those 1.44MB "floppies" were actually known as "stiffies" in my day? The true floppies were just that, floppie and held only 640MB or something silly like that. The drive had a "door".
I had a Panasonic camera that used ls-120 disks 120mb on a dusk that looks like a standard floppy. I also had an LS-120 drive in my computer. Looked like a floppy drive, but was IDE connection
PSA, Technology Connections covered a lot of weird disc formats in a series of videos on his channel.
Awesome video! Anthony is my favorite by far! knowledgeable and he adds excitement to a topic others would make less interesting. He could even re do relevant videos others have presented, hosted or narrated and theyd be significantly better. im sure more veiws as well! Linus can make a video entertaining for sure but Anthony gives the life to a video where it can be watched to the end. keep up the great work!!
I am member of the zip drive 250 MB and the jaz Drive that one was like really weird it was like an external hard drive with the discs with platters
History is awash with discs/disks that never gained widespread use. Like seriously, the more you dive in the more you can see just how crazy things were.
Also, I want to point out that Sony messed up with UMD. If they had opened up the format a bit to let third parties build UMD video players we might have seen the format seriously compete with DVDs. Although the capacity was much smaller than DVD, the video codecs were far more mature. Those tiny discs were so portable.
Make full lenght LTT videos where you have Linus or even the zoomer employees use all kinds of old and obscure media.
I worked at a 3M factory that made magneto-optical disks, basically loaded/unloaded substrates into the coating machine. I think they sold them to companies as file back-ups. The factory did not last long.
The infamous zip disk click of death, I preferred Jazz drives. What about the LS-120 Superdisk drive?
You could do an entire video just on Iomega's weird array of disks: Ditto, Jaz, Clik!, Zip, etc, and even their Peerless external swappable hard drive thing which accepted 20GB drives and had a cool LCD display for things like disk throughput. Later they introduced the Rev drive. Iomega went crazy. You know you want to do an Iomega video.
Also there were weird business card sized CDs that would work in a regular sized drive.
There were floppy disks that were actually floppy.
I rember using weird 3-inch compact floppy disk in Amstrad computers, they were longer and thicker than a 3.5" floppy.
Remember Smart Media cards and Sony's overpriced Memory Sticks?
I'm surprised that since blue ray can hold so much data we don't just use GameCube sized blue ray discs for everything.
Honestly if UMD movies were half the price it would have done so much better. We already had portable DVD players with larger sharper screens for cheap at that point.
3:10 It's not a good look to have Grammarly as a sponsor. Even their adverts are full of grammatical errors. 🙄
Amongst my friends we used to call the 3.5 inch disk "stiffy disks".
The only movie that I ever owned for psp was “Not Another Teen Movie”
If you’ve never heard of it, there’s a reason for that.
I have a Magneto-optical drive somewhere. Old SCSI interface.
thank you guys for giving us more of Anthony! He is amazing, seems like a great human and his tech knowledge is fantastic!!! Rock on Anthony!!!
It would be a great if you did a historical video on computer storage. Anthony is clearly the best presenter on this more technical focused/documentrary focused content. To be honest i would love to see more serious/longer documentraries from you guys.
It would be fun if you guys talked about RDX cartridges! :)
Maybe tape libraries as well. The market for removable, archival data.
Anthony is probably my favourite host on any of LTT's channels.
I remember an article years ago about a company working on a cd+rw that was made from some sort of stone. It was being developed as to not suffer from cd rot. I never heard about it again, so I don't know if it didn't work or if the company ran out of funds, or what. I always wondered though.
Anthony is by far the best host. Who is with me on this one? 💪🙏
The mid 90s through the early 2000s was such a wild west for storage mediums. I worked in big box retail at the time and seemed like every week we were getting new drives or disks of some sort. I like the ones you covered in this video and YES, we would love more videos on weird storage formats!
0:34 3.5" floppys were indeed floppy media. Open up the cover and see.
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