keenan was my favorite, really different style of teaching and showing concepts in his hey day. Passing a miyao guard too! Juice now, win trials, juice a lot by 2026 and get gordie
One of the best podcasts so far! I love Keenan and you two are great together! Please do another with him soon. Also, we would love longer podcasts if you're willing or able. ❤🙏
Keenan and Craig have a perfect chemistry, able to riff off each other and go toe to toe with jokes and questions. It's also such a treat to see Keenan in his element again! Please do consider making this a regular thing! Podcast
Love that Keenan is talking about how shit giving seminars is, meanwhile Craig is there to literally do a seminar at Legion for Keenan. Love the honesty!
Even attending seminars after a while gets boring, I’ve been to seminars taught by some of the best guys and never learnt anything too crazy or that which blew my mind. Most bjj is out there and easily accessible to everyone. I much rather would pay a high level guy and roll with him and his students for an hour then do the traditional 3 techniques and pictures then go home
I like how Graig has just confirmed that John Danaher pretty much simply teaches MARCELO GARCIA’S GAME. I totally agree with him. Marcelo back in the day was so far ahead of everyone and John was very smart to notice and catch onto Marcelo’s game. Well noticed and recognized!
One thing I miss is Keenan's podcast. I don't miss Josh on the podcast but I think Keenan had a lot to say. He probably still does and he could do a solo podcast. I imagined if he had the time or desire.
Keenan is one of the best jiu jitsu guys ever, new guys don’t even know him but just look at his record and who he has beaten. Braulio, Murilo, Leandro Lo, Kaynan Duarte, Craig Jones lol and many more, even gave guys like Buchecha and Rodolfo tough matches
I'll never forget that keenan added me on league of legends. that was one of the highlights of my own reddit career. i did not even know keenan got 'cancelled' we're still out here gangsta
Definitely need to get these two together weekly in a better studio setting. Great dialogue. Right amount of humor mixed with substantive observations. I'd totally watch these two regularly.
the best podcast so far! great stories, flow and chemistry. BTW Keenan is so articulate, smart and good conversationist that you guys should upgrade to a joint podcast from now on!!
was nice for you to have a guest you actually bounce off your humour only makes keenan giggle 1/15 times but i admire your perseverance Craig keenan kept bringing it back to topic after you bombed a joke too which was great
Bem, não sei se algum Brasileiro além de mim teve paciência de ouvir esse podcast mas cara, adorei de verdade. Keenan é um dos maiores competidores e mais ágeis que vi lutar. Via muito as lutas dele no antigo canal Budo Videos (antes da Flograppling se meter e monopolizar as transmissões) e era sensacional. Parabéns pela conversa. De qualidade. Oss
My old coach took me to one of the mma millionare events in orlando. It was very much like keenan described. We sat in this convention hall in a big hotel and he would have testimonial after testimonial with people in his network, avallon brothers, Nak from beta ect. tell about how much money they were making with this method. At the end of the pitches he would have ring girls come around and pass out sheets to fill out you cc info to buy the products. Also used the normally sells for 1200$ if you buy it right now you can get it for 997$. Cant tell you how many dvd's my instructor bought but it was alot. Everything from kids programs, afterschool programs, how to be a gym manager, how to structure contracts.
You two are hilarious and I’m just sitting here wondering why I’m watching two phenomenal jujitsu people talk lol, you’re wonderful people and inspirations to a lot of people! Great show! So can we do this again but like half as long of a conversation, and then segue into some grappling with you guys showing some of your skills on the mat. PS colloidal silver can beat conjunctivitis in one or two applications, usually spraying or putting drops in your right in your eye, and it’s only water with charged silver nano particles in it🤙🏽oss
It’s a crime that Gordon has been on Rogan and Craig hasn’t. Gordon’s Jiu Jitsu is arguably 20-30% better than Craig’s but Craig’s personality is 87,000 times more entertaining than Gordon’s. It’s a no brainer.
Keenans submission using two lapel grips, in full guard, and just driving the blade of your foot into the person's neck is still on of the goat subs i try and use in my everyday life
I’m an old school BJJ Redditor and I standby the fact that it was a much better place when Fritzdagger was in favor. It used to just be about BJJ and techniques, with an occasional shit post. Way too much fluff and politics nowadays.
I remember he was at Penn’s training center in Hilo around 2009-2011Thought he was just a huge nerd but he used to ragdoll all these established Hawaii competitors. PJ Barch as well
I actually felt excited when Keenan was talking about the ELO ranking for grapplers and just let the street cred work loosely into the fighters putting their own money up for their matches. I think too that there should be two separate rankings for grapplers - one for skill and proficiency and consistency and one for straight entertainer and showman.
I guess the problem is ELO applying to different rule sets such as spamming IBJJF No GI comps vs spamming ADCC opens, Both are No GI but they are pretty different in both rules and who competes
@@Lockdown335 You and I both know judges and point based systems are for white through blue belts, and doesn't apply well to high level grappling. The ranking system would have to fundamentalize what a ELO-ranked BJJ match is in terms of time limit and what a draw means for ranking, since there will inevitably be matches where nobody gets a submission. I personally don't feel like OT-style matches make much sense, they incentivize tiring your opponent out in hopes of having a chance to win in OT where the stakes are higher.
@@Lockdown335 You and I both know judges and point based systems are for white through blue belts, and doesn't apply well to high level grappling. The ranking system would have to fundamentalize what a ELO-ranked BJJ match is in terms of time limit and what a draw means for ranking, since there will inevitably be matches where nobody gets a submission. I personally don't feel like OT-style matches make much sense, they incentivize tiring your opponent out in hopes of having a chance to win in OT where the stakes are higher.
Training with all these killers at TLI was the highlight of my early jiu jitsu despite the drama and swat teams. After being murdered continuously round after round, we would get demoted to lesser training circles. "You, go over there and fight Sarge" (Sijara, who was mincing up all the comp white belts).
Kennan's Elo Rating Idea for BJJ sound genuinely fucking amazing. It would let guys like Gordon who are viewed as ahead of the heap to still have competition with past legends like Roger Gracie trying to beat their Elo. like Magnus Carlsen, he became the greatest chest player in the modern era but had a long time of chasing down Kasparov's Elo and then trying to break the record and breach a 2900 Elo. This is something all the promoters need to come together for now!
This was a good one. Shout out to Keenan for getting me in to BJJ. Now I train with morons 5 times a week and listen to Craig Jones when I'm at home. Maybe I shouldn't have started this at all... Thanks a lot Keenan.
One of the best podcasts I’ve ever listened to. I’d love to hear a deeper dive into the sex cult of Irvin and more of what Keenan was saying about dds being an even worse cult
Keenan was a great guest. By far the most interesting episode of the podcast IMO.
Great take - been some great guests but Keenan killed it
Fact
It’s almost like he had a really great podcast that he abruptly abandoned
Agree super smart guy
@@fatguyonthc lol
Keenan and Craig needs to make this a regular thing. Their personalities are extremely complimentary.
Can’t wait for the only fans collab
@@lobsterairsoft499 keenan is hot
This was legitimately one of the best all-around podcasts I've listened to in a long time. I wish this was a semi regular thing..
They complement each other so well, this should really be a recurring thing.
Yeah they don’t talk over each other but contribute to the conversation so well.
ya I agree, the first mat burn minus Hinger was wicked
Nah they would run out of shit to talk real fast
This is my opinion now too (15:12)
craig and chlamydia?
This needs to be a regular podcast.
Great chemistry
na, every few months would be fine
By far best duo in a Jiujitsu podcast ever. You guys need a regular collab together.
KEENAN for the love of god. Get juiced out of your face and take down Gordon. Your final gift to the grappling community. You are the chosen one!
Yeh we need keenan on the juice. This would be the ultimate experiment.
Gordon is just better dude. Period.
Yeah, there’s nothing helping him lol. The skill gap is too exponential.
keenan was my favorite, really different style of teaching and showing concepts in his hey day. Passing a miyao guard too! Juice now, win trials, juice a lot by 2026 and get gordie
@@130BJJ he’s not good enough. I don’t think you quite understand the disparity.
One of the best podcasts so far! I love Keenan and you two are great together! Please do another with him soon. Also, we would love longer podcasts if you're willing or able. ❤🙏
Keenan and Craig have a perfect chemistry, able to riff off each other and go toe to toe with jokes and questions. It's also such a treat to see Keenan in his element again! Please do consider making this a regular thing!
Podcast
Great conversation. Keenan is a legend for sure
Love that Keenan is talking about how shit giving seminars is, meanwhile Craig is there to literally do a seminar at Legion for Keenan. Love the honesty!
Even attending seminars after a while gets boring, I’ve been to seminars taught by some of the best guys and never learnt anything too crazy or that which blew my mind. Most bjj is out there and easily accessible to everyone.
I much rather would pay a high level guy and roll with him and his students for an hour then do the traditional 3 techniques and pictures then go home
I like how Graig has just confirmed that John Danaher pretty much simply teaches MARCELO GARCIA’S GAME. I totally agree with him. Marcelo back in the day was so far ahead of everyone and John was very smart to notice and catch onto Marcelo’s game. Well noticed and recognized!
This is the most informative podcast I’ve heard on bjj for a while
One thing I miss is Keenan's podcast. I don't miss Josh on the podcast but I think Keenan had a lot to say. He probably still does and he could do a solo podcast. I imagined if he had the time or desire.
Josh was absolutely awful so lame and feminine
i think hes doing quite well with his school, jiu jitsu prices in san diego are crazy high now
Hinger was so irritating on the podcast.
@@ajsdaddy31Hinger is a tremendous competitor but boy is he a douche bag.
Full Circle! I remember first hearing Craig Jones on the matburn podcast, years ago. He's been my second favourite grappler ever since! 🥈
Craig is absolutely the man and Keenan is one of the coolest ever do it
So many standout moments from Keenan. Hyped for this one!
That was a fun episode. Great to hear from Keenan. Please have him on again!
Could listen to these 2 do a podcast every day.
Keenan is one of the best jiu jitsu guys ever, new guys don’t even know him but just look at his record and who he has beaten. Braulio, Murilo, Leandro Lo, Kaynan Duarte, Craig Jones lol and many more, even gave guys like Buchecha and Rodolfo tough matches
Super happy you did this one. 👏🏽
Saint Keenis, it twas a pleasure to hear your voice again. The brotherhood of the worm has waited many moons.
Best guest so far, I wish we could see this combo more. Imagine Craig/Keenan on commentary for ADCC or flomatches. would be insane
I always feel smarter after listening to Keenan. Great guest. Wish you guys did a regular podcast together.
Their assessment of Nicky Rod killed me. 😂
The "shaved bear" and "unbridled fury" bits got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll never forget that keenan added me on league of legends. that was one of the highlights of my own reddit career. i did not even know keenan got 'cancelled' we're still out here gangsta
Definitely need to get these two together weekly in a better studio setting. Great dialogue. Right amount of humor mixed with substantive observations. I'd totally watch these two regularly.
the best podcast so far! great stories, flow and chemistry. BTW Keenan is so articulate, smart and good conversationist that you guys should upgrade to a joint podcast from now on!!
was nice for you to have a guest you actually bounce off
your humour only makes keenan giggle 1/15 times but i admire your perseverance Craig
keenan kept bringing it back to topic after you bombed a joke too which was great
Keenan is one of the best in and out of the mats. Big fan of fritzdagger, he'll never be truly canceled
Best pod by far!! Hope it becomes a regular occurrence.
This is the best episode yet. I’d listen to these two every week
thanks Jones , its good to see KC , you both need to do this a few times a year , good content
And I take offense to the fact that a blue belt would not know who Keenan is the man is an absolute American legend
Good for Keenan man. Miss having him around the scene but glad to see he’s killing it
Two of the realest, chill dudes in jiu jitsu. So nice to have a good podcast for the sport
Great timing. Just listened to Craig’s episode on the Matburn Podcast again recently. Looking forward to this one
Bem, não sei se algum Brasileiro além de mim teve paciência de ouvir esse podcast mas cara, adorei de verdade. Keenan é um dos maiores competidores e mais ágeis que vi lutar. Via muito as lutas dele no antigo canal Budo Videos (antes da Flograppling se meter e monopolizar as transmissões) e era sensacional. Parabéns pela conversa. De qualidade. Oss
Best episode of the cast so far. Hope we get some more of these two beautiful princesses
Josh Hinger is fuming and seeing red after this episode
Glad you didn't take the shot Keenan, stay strong. Love watching your old bjj videos : )
The comments are unanimous; we absolutely need to have this man on again.
Two OGs of the game! Keenan needs to bring back the mat burn podcast
Need Matburn 2.0 with Miha.
This was an excellent episode. So much valuable commentary. You should do a part 2.
My old coach took me to one of the mma millionare events in orlando. It was very much like keenan described. We sat in this convention hall in a big hotel and he would have testimonial after testimonial with people in his network, avallon brothers, Nak from beta ect. tell about how much money they were making with this method. At the end of the pitches he would have ring girls come around and pass out sheets to fill out you cc info to buy the products. Also used the normally sells for 1200$ if you buy it right now you can get it for 997$. Cant tell you how many dvd's my instructor bought but it was alot. Everything from kids programs, afterschool programs, how to be a gym manager, how to structure contracts.
Love Keenan. His ability to articulate jiujitsu is like no other.
You two are hilarious and I’m just sitting here wondering why I’m watching two phenomenal jujitsu people talk lol, you’re wonderful people and inspirations to a lot of people! Great show! So can we do this again but like half as long of a conversation, and then segue into some grappling with you guys showing some of your skills on the mat.
PS colloidal silver can beat conjunctivitis in one or two applications, usually spraying or putting drops in your right in your eye, and it’s only water with charged silver nano particles in it🤙🏽oss
The ELO idea for BJJ rankings would be amazing
Didn’t know too much about Keenan but definitely a fan now! Hope he’s a regular guest
Best guest so far!!
It’s a crime that Gordon has been on Rogan and Craig hasn’t. Gordon’s Jiu Jitsu is arguably 20-30% better than Craig’s but Craig’s personality is 87,000 times more entertaining than Gordon’s. It’s a no brainer.
JRE MMA show #110 he went on with Volks
What an incredible, articulate, and grateful introduction, Craig!
I respect when Keenan states he's not sure or doesn't know sometging rather than state it as fact
Really enjoyed listening to this podcast, Keenan is a real smart guy.
Legion open mat is insane, if your in the area you should definitely go !!
I’m proud that I watched this entire episode. So great.
Keenans submission using two lapel grips, in full guard, and just driving the blade of your foot into the person's neck is still on of the goat subs i try and use in my everyday life
Good to see Keenan back
Thanks for the knowledge, along with the entertainment great stuff !
man I forgot what a huge Keenan fan I used to be this was awesome
Can see why these guys are mates, they're so on the same level it's ridiculous. The deadpan and sarcasm is on another level. lmfao
“I know a couple of brothers like that as well” Righto mate hahahaha so good
great podcast, would love to hear more of these two together, great listen
Craig...beating Tye as a child, will always hold that victory :D
Gonna need yall to schedule another one of these. great job.
I’m an old school BJJ Redditor and I standby the fact that it was a much better place when Fritzdagger was in favor. It used to just be about BJJ and techniques, with an occasional shit post. Way too much fluff and politics nowadays.
Best interview so far!
Keenan is intelligent man. Great podcast. I was going to listen to just one quick minute and had to stay for entire video. Props
I really like both these guys and even more so when they’re together. Great content guys!
I remember he was at Penn’s training center in Hilo around 2009-2011Thought he was just a huge nerd but he used to ragdoll all these established Hawaii competitors. PJ Barch as well
Good to see Mr. Beast giving Craig a good interview
I actually felt excited when Keenan was talking about the ELO ranking for grapplers and just let the street cred work loosely into the fighters putting their own money up for their matches.
I think too that there should be two separate rankings for grapplers - one for skill and proficiency and consistency and one for straight entertainer and showman.
I guess the problem is ELO applying to different rule sets such as spamming IBJJF No GI comps vs spamming ADCC opens, Both are No GI but they are pretty different in both rules and who competes
@@Lockdown335
You and I both know judges and point based systems are for white through blue belts, and doesn't apply well to high level grappling.
The ranking system would have to fundamentalize what a ELO-ranked BJJ match is in terms of time limit and what a draw means for ranking, since there will inevitably be matches where nobody gets a submission.
I personally don't feel like OT-style matches make much sense, they incentivize tiring your opponent out in hopes of having a chance to win in OT where the stakes are higher.
@@Lockdown335
You and I both know judges and point based systems are for white through blue belts, and doesn't apply well to high level grappling.
The ranking system would have to fundamentalize what a ELO-ranked BJJ match is in terms of time limit and what a draw means for ranking, since there will inevitably be matches where nobody gets a submission.
I personally don't feel like OT-style matches make much sense, they incentivize tiring your opponent out in hopes of having a chance to win in OT where the stakes are higher.
Keenan is actually so cool! great pod.
*Honarable mention* Kennan faced Gordon Ryan at his original weight. And was arguably the start of Gordon's Reign.
Best episode ever, can’t wait till next time Keenan has you on mate
Crazy how you had to explain who Keenan is...
Training with all these killers at TLI was the highlight of my early jiu jitsu despite the drama and swat teams. After being murdered continuously round after round, we would get demoted to lesser training circles. "You, go over there and fight Sarge" (Sijara, who was mincing up all the comp white belts).
I’m not entirely convinced that everything said in this podcast wasn’t satire. I loved every minute of it.
Miss Keenan. I particularly love his videos where he rolls with like 30 students while narrating his process. I could watch that for hours.
I miss Keenan podcasting. This is a great one!
The best episode so far!
This is becoming my favorite podcast
Honestly, Seeing Keenan back on a podcast reminds me how much I enjoyed matburn podcast when they first had Craig on. Was a fun show
Kennan's Elo Rating Idea for BJJ sound genuinely fucking amazing. It would let guys like Gordon who are viewed as ahead of the heap to still have competition with past legends like Roger Gracie trying to beat their Elo. like Magnus Carlsen, he became the greatest chest player in the modern era but had a long time of chasing down Kasparov's Elo and then trying to break the record and breach a 2900 Elo. This is something all the promoters need to come together for now!
This is by far the best episode of the podcast so far!
This was a good one. Shout out to Keenan for getting me in to BJJ. Now I train with morons 5 times a week and listen to Craig Jones when I'm at home. Maybe I shouldn't have started this at all... Thanks a lot Keenan.
My absolute favorite grapplers of all time! Craig is my second favorite.
One of the best podcasts I’ve ever listened to. I’d love to hear a deeper dive into the sex cult of Irvin and more of what Keenan was saying about dds being an even worse cult
Straight up. Excellent.
I should have gone to work an hour ago.
if these two started a podcast together id subscribe so fucking fast lol
Two of my favourites to ever do it. Legendary
I feel like Craig Jones has perfectly mastered the art of trolling, I never know when he's trolling or being serious
Awesome seeing you Keenan! Hell yeah.
I really liked this episode. Wish it was longer!
If these guys joined forces this would be one the biggest podcasts around. Great job.
This was a great podcast again . Laughing out loud many times XD Keenan the goat !!
You guys gotta do a episode 2, this episode is fuckin hilarious.
best episode so far, Keenan rules!
Helluva pod. Love this one and the one with kit dale is 🔥