The Best Flieger Pilot Watches Of All Time? - IWC Mark XVIII Heritage & Miramar Top Gun Review
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2024
- Today I review not one but two of the most iconic luxury pilot watches of all time!
In this video I look at the IWC Mark XVIII Heritage as well as a version made in honour of the Miramar United States Marine and Navy Airbase.
After extensive experience with and reviews of Laco and Stowa (brands that have a similar history behind them) the question remains: who makes the best World War 2 inspired Flieger watches today? Join me as I look at the Mark XVIII heritage and Top Gun Miramar to find out!
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I have Mark XVIII Heritage and it is very accurate. In first two years it was 0 seconds drift per day. Now it is about 2 seconds, after 4 years. I love it.
I agree! For a fraction of the cost Laco would look the same and performs admirably with its Miyota movement.
I purchased an A type and wore it for two weeks straight.
not even a Seiko on Saturday!
Great everyday watch and unique look.
Just wanted to say I appreciate so much your content and videos. There are so many sub-par watch reviews and videos out there, and all your content is very polished and informative, with a splash of entertainment value. Eg. intros, live chats, watch related travel. Your channel really is an asset to the watch enthusiast community.
I completely agree with your comments, and your opinion on each watch. That heritage is a looker. I really like the Mark line, and I've been in the market for a pilot watch for a while. These were on my short list but ended up picking up an Explorer, which I know is a different purpose watch but I didn't feel like I was throwing a bunch of money away.
Matthew Burrows bro can you pls check out my watch review and tell me what you think
You chose well.
Imagine that, Rolex. Boring.
Interesting how they lumed the Miramar version. You would perhaps think that they would make the lume much better being that it is named for the (arguably) best fighter pilot school. However, you cannot disagree with the quality of IWC. They have been doing it forever and are clearly a "Top Gun" brand. ;) I do, however, think I prefer the Laco (esp. the Munster type A). The historical authenticity of the markings just speaks to me in some way. I also appreciate the in-house movement of it. These are, without doubt, quality watches. Thank you so much for the work you do!
Cheers!
Justin M.
I really like the tool aesthetic of the IWC pilot's watches - they're understated, classy and beautifully made. But, for that price point I expect an in house movement.
I have the Mark 16 as my first mechanical watch. It started my love and collection of mechanical watches.
Comparing these two, I went for the Heritage from the first second I saw it :)
Great vid - the “heritage” is an absolute stunner with those blued hands - I love the background and history you apply to your reviews. Keep’em coming🍻
As always great review TGV. I'm not the biggest flieger watch fan but that Heritage could make me change my mind. But that price. Insane. But as always there is a price and watch for everyone! Everyone enjoy their weekend 👍
I recently purchased an IWC Pilots Chronograph ref. 3777.01 and can not take it off. I've tried in vein to do so. It's the darling of my small collection and fits my 7.9" wrist perfectly. Great job on the video TGV!
Thank you sir, a VERY cool choice indeed, no wonder you can not take it off!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry the Squale is still in the rotation though. Lol. If you can please review a pilots chronograph from IWC. I learn soooooo much from your videos. Keep up the great work, TGV.
@Todd m Oris would be a great choice as well and I have one on my short list.
Great video, I’m a total flieger fanboy, they make up the bulk of my 12 watch collection, I’ve been tossing up between Sinn and IWC for my next acquisition, although at this moment IWC is a little more than I’m willing to pay so a nice Sinn will most likely win unless I find a used IWC at a decent price. On another note, I recently purchased a couple of suede straps in different colours by Fluco, you directly inspired my interest in Fluco, excellent value for money, thank you sir
One is $5500 and the other $4000. For ETA and Sallita movements I think its too much especially when one can get a Fortis Flieger at a quarter of that. I really like the IWC big pilots but they are $13000... In any case, this was a great in depth review. This young chap makes the best watche reviews on youtube no question. If only he could make more reviews of high end watches that would be great.
buy on the grey market for 40% discount.
I started off on my horological journey in 2009 buying an IWC as I tried to avoid Rolex brand due to bastardisation of their brand. However I realised that I bought my Mark XVI as an expensive ETA, whilst I like it I will not be buying another IWC at such price point. Nice review TGV....hit all the vital points.
CKR! Lovely to hear from you, cool to hear you are a IWC owner, what a classy place to start the journey!
Haha, I was in my Omega, Rolex and Seiko phase back in 2009, oh wait, I still am!!! LOL
Thank you my friend, I hope you are well.
Best regards,
TGV
in what way has the brand been bastardized ?
Hi TGV - Thanks for the IWC video. Haven't seen much on IWC lately and this is a refreshing review. I tend to favor the Heritage with its dims and styling. Good video! Best Regards, John
It’s 1AM in Belgium right now and you are already making my day!
Thank you my friend, sorry so late :D
Enjoy.
Best regards,
TGV
IWC makes beautiful timepieces. Of the two, the Heritage appeals to me the most. The Miramar is a bit disappointing for all of the reasons you mentioned in the vid: polished case cheapens the look, that difficult to read red inner track, and lack of full lume. While not a flieger, I find the Portuguese my favorite IWC to date. Thanks for another great review, Tristano.
I would rather buy a Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical 38mm, the one you reviewed or the new one. Looks very much like this IWC and have an ETA aswell.
Just bought XVIII le petit prince 3 hours ago
Congrats!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I rewatched Top gun yesterday with my little brother what a coincidence. Great video as always TGV!
Haha fantastic, such a fun movie, I hope you enjoyed it.
Thank you Kenneth,
Best regards,
TGV
You truly are one of the best watch enthusiasts out there. You've re-ignited my passion, and you have taught me a lot about horology. Not only have I taken on some of your recommendations, but I've also invested into some wristcandywatchclub exclusives. Thanks a million!
Thank you Kyle for sharing that, you have no idea how much that inspires me!
Enjoy the journey my friend, it is comment like this that make it all worth it.
Onwards and upwards.
Best regards,
TGV
TGV, what do you think of IWC's Spitfire line? In-house movement, 39mm case, really nice fit.
GREAT video footage and editing on that opening! Love the Flieger episodes and timepieces. One slight correction, MCAS Miramar is a Marine Corps Air Station, not a Marine air force base. When "Top Gun" was filmed, it was a Naval Air Station.
Thank you John,
Very much appreciated.
Best regards,
TGV
Wrist watch check. After waiting 4 months my Sinn 104 arrived. It is as you know not COSC certified but, this watch runs a a steady +2 seconds a day. This is Rolex territory. To say I am pleased in an understatement. It was seeing it on your channel that sold it to me. Thank you.
This is a great video and helpful. I have been trying to justify an IWC mark xx for a while because I can’t bring myself to do a Big Pilot. I think this video pushed me over the edge
Greetings from the Netherlands. I agree with some of the comments made earlier, there are better choices when it comes to pilot watches, in regards to bang for buck off course. I just want to say that I really (!) liked the footage of you wearing the watch from a little further away! That shows so much better how the watch looks on the wrist. Please keep doing that. And please keep making these great videos, I already got a smile on my face this Saturday morning when I saw and heard(!) your intro.
Great Video!!!! Finally a IWC pilots watch review. Would love to see more IWC
That intro!!! I think the watch looks perfect on your wrist, especially in that shot with the notepad. Cheers my friend!
Thank you JC :D
Best regards,
TGV
Being a Commercial Pilot for Alaskan Airlines myself, I wear a GSHOCK - None of my co pilots or superiors wear any expensive luxury watch, I think those days are far behind us, nonetheless great video love the content!
How interesting, sorry to hear that. Where are my friends Joseph and Captain Rambunctious to address this!?!!
Thank you for watching,
Best regards,
TGV
Might have to look at the Heritage. As an A&P I’m around HIRF constantly.
After watching your review, I'm all the more convinced to buy the Hamilton "Interstellar" - The new Blue Dial version, but on the Strap and It's uber- bright new lume. Checked one out, at Macy's 34th Street store. The Lume was Killer !
Hi TGV - great review and cool intro! As a pilot I also recommend the Sinn 103 TI TESTAF and Sinn 103 TI IFR which are officially certified aviators watches, even certified to replace the on-board
clock on many commercial aircraft in case of failure.
Maybe they’ll find your interest for one of your coming reviews...
Have a great weekend
Thanks Martin
btw - On the use of Red on the Miramar dial; obviously IWC wanted more of a "tie-in"
with "Top Gun" 's Red, White and Blue movie logo, as on the poster, and otherwise shown on the screw-down Titanium back (machined ??? ). The two Navy Fighter Weapons School insignia "patches"("badges" in the UK) I'm familiar with; Red is the prominent color. Also, starting with pilots serving with Chennault; both the AVG (an O.S.S. operation). And later his 14th A.F. A Red Silk lining in a leather flight jacket; instead of the original G.I. brown cotton one, indicated the sign of a seasoned pilot ... Most often, an ACE (5 or more aerial victories).
The heritage mark XVIII type A is stunning..just remove the date, add a conical crown and it would be perfect 10/10.
Hi, what do you advise for me? IWC Mark XVIII Heritage or Miramar? and why? Thank you for the answer!! Great video!
That intro was savage!
I...believe I rather get a Zenith Pilot with in house Elite movement
That was one sick intro....you the man..
Both watches are very attractive to me. I don't care for ceramic but I do like the look of the Miramar, nevertheless. I choose the Heritage.
Hello my friend, always lovely to hear from you.
I hope you are well,
Best regards,
TGV
Wow, lots of negativity in the comments here. Nobody's making you buy an IWC, guys. I got a Mark XVIII Le Petit Prince earlier this year and I love it. Easily my most legible watch and a great size, too. Bought it slightly used for $2.5k. Great value for a watch with this type of build quality and heritage. I don't think you can compare IWC to Stowa or Laco. While I love both those brands, IWC is on another level in regards to quality, finishing and brand recognition. Great video TGV! Oh and here's a snap of mine on a brown Colareb racing strap: instagram.com/p/BmS30JkHKK-/?taken-by=jp_melbs
I can appreciate the irony, yes. Are you saying that's a reason not to buy that watch? That's ridiculous. The partnership that IWC are doing with the Antoine de Saint-Exupéry Foundation is helping children in need and IWC has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the foundation oiver the years.
Loving the Topgun intro.. great vlog TGV.. bravo 👏👏
Thank you Stephen :D
Best regards,
TGV
Glad you did these I just got my mark xviii heritage last month
Congrats!
You must be over the moon, or at least the clouds :D
Enjoy it my friend, and wear it with pride,
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Trading mine up for a 36mm Explorer 1. I wish I had listened to you from the start would have saved a lot of money and time
The Mark XVIII Heritage checks both boxes for me of Flieger Watch and Field Watch, with a sprinkle of Vintage Watch feel thrown into the mix for good measure. I'd really prefer it without the date window though. Agree that 100m WR would have been much better and make the watch a pretty killer all-rounder.
Excellent review, especially the pros/cons and historical perspective. Given their price, I question the value proposition.
Thank you sir!
Best regards,
TGV
Great review TGV 👍. I absolutely agree about the date window. Such a shame how a simpel date window can throw off an entire design... You can buy a Lacoo and a Sinn and have money left to spend. Great intro by the way. Airplanes and watches are a satisfying combination to look at👍.
Best regards,
Koen
Yes!!! I was going to write you and ask that you do a segment on your own enthusiasm for aviation based on your office decor. This was excellent, sir 👌
Thank you :D
do you mean the die cast models or the Trintec clocks?
Best regards,
TGV
G'day TGV
Epic intro!....I admire & love the content of your videos but your intros are stratospheric, if there was an Academy award for best YT intro, you'd have a shelf full of them, Super stuff mate!
⌚🙂👍✈
Thank you so much, very kind of you to say.
You are a true gent for saying so.
Best regards,
TGV
The Miramar reminds me of my Guinness Seiko 5! I love it. I do agree on the case. I would prefer for the finish of the case to be matte. Great video sir! Have a great day
Love IWC and love fliegers but I'll never own an IWC flieger until they remove the verbiage from the dial. Authentic fliegers have sterile dials. Great video, as always.
I quite like the Miramar. That grey dial looks good on that case. I would prefer a non-scredown onion crown and no military references in the back, but those are minor. I think these days blued hands are so common, that it is a plus to have something else. The red hour ring is not very legible, but it's also not needed for anything, unless you actually don't know the hour by hand position.
Stellar intro, stellar watches! I need to add a pilot watch to my collection!
Great classic pieces for fliegers. I also think the Sinn 356 should be on the longer list of flieger watches... 38mm strap monster!
Great idea, I might have to do a video on that list one day. I so nearly bought one once.
Thank you Quincy,
Best regards,
TGV
Your intro's are the best Sir! Along with the rest of your channel.
Bryce B I can totally agree!
Like you I much prefer the Mk XVIII. What were they thinking with the red hour ring on the Miramar? I actually prefer Type B fliegers that omit the hour ring. You know what those numbers are anyway; why clutter up the dial (especially in illegible red). I'm not a fan of the mirror finish on a tool watch. Now that the Heritage Mk XX is available, do you like it better than the XVIII?
Great insight to these two watches, IWC is right up there on the want list for sure, however would definitely be from the Portuguese range.
Totally agree with all your of your negative comments of the Miramar.
Love your channel, really has embellished my long life love of watches, where once I was incredibly naive of this amazing hobby.
Thanks for the education.
Jas.
I do have a gripe about your channel,I can’t stop buying watch’s now.Great videos !
If the IWC is bit too expensive for you, there is the Tissot CHRONO XL.
similar design but as the name says a chrono with a quartz movement. Still 100% swiss made though.
Stowa Flieger for me T. As tool watches go they're pretty hard to beat.
Agree totally with the comment on the movements...they are very elegant watches, but , as for many "swissies" the price is totally unjustified...hopefully the growing awareness of watch lovers regarding movements will sooner or later put an end to this ridiculous way of marketing watches
Your audio/video background is apparent. Nicely done as always. Good background history. Miramar is a great visit if you love jets. A memorable visit. Amazing pilots and an adrenaline experience for the jet fighter fan. The IWC is minimal IMO and could have more action taking place in the dial. Better aesthetics would push it to another level. Excellent research as well TGV, until next time Sir. Best wishes my friend.
Thanks a lot for this new video. All of your remarks are spot-on. Good job!
Thank you my friend :D
Best regards,
TGV
No question, the design (IWC Mark XVIII ) hits the point exactly 👍. Thank you for showing, sir.👍
The Miramar looks quite a bit like a SEIKO 5, which isn't necessarily a negative.
Not you mention it!!! So true, however I so much prefer the SNK809 ;-)
Thank you, very well observed.
Best regards,
TGV
This $5.5k watch shouldn’t even be compared to a Seiko 5. I agree it (the Miramar) looks like a cheap knock off of a Fliger.
At least the SNK809's hour indices are legible at a glance. The Mirimar's choice of red disappears against the grey. Such a poor design choice.
At any price, my first choice for a pilot's watch would be the Stowa Flieger Klassik Sport. It is a 43mm A Type with a screw down crown and case back for 200m water resistance and a Top Grade ETA 2824-2 movement.
A VERY worthy first choice. It would be probably be my choice too but in a smaller size obviously and if I wasn't so happy with my Sinn of course ;-)
Thank you Eddie, I like your style.
Best regards,
TGV
Unfortunately the 40mm does not have the screw down crown and is only 50m water resistant or I would do the same. I am a one watch guy and I like to go swimming from time to time. As for the review watches, I am reluctant to go with alternative materials in a heritage design. It just seems off to me. I feel the same way about gold Submariners. Your Sinn is an awesome everyday watch but I am not a fan of countdown bezels. If it had a 1 to 12 numbering so I could use it as a duel timer I might go for one.
The Sinn steals the show...great review, many thanks!
Haha, it always does ;-)
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I enjoyed that. Thanks. IWC Big Pilot is on my want list, though I'd be looking at the larger 46.2mm ones. But then I have a 7.5in wrist that could accommodate such a size. I'd be looking at the IW5010-02 or IW5010-04 with the 8 day power reserve indicator and with the date at 6. Toss up between the gorgeous blue sunburst of the Le Petite Prince or more true to original Heritage Titanium. But I have plenty of time to mull that over while I wait until my budget is that price range.
Hey TGV,
you brought me into the horology hobby !
I own a Flighty, the victorinox maverick chronograph and soon a tissot and a skx !!
Thank you for the quallity content and keep on going !
Ps: I started collecting when I was 15 years old (now 16) when I found your top ten best value for money watches.
Best regards
Yann
And excuse my english I am still learning.
holy moly...
for that kind of money, you get all that antimagnetic and antishock tech and then some. for example, you can get a Damasko with an inhouse movement that will outlast these IWCs by centuries with all the insane overengineered tech they put in it.
or you can get a Glashutte Original Senator Navigator, which is superior in every single way.
or, for that kind of money, you can keep it traditional (and still antishock and antimagnetic), you can get a Tourby with a COSC certified handwind Unitas 6498-2 (not only cosc, but also higher beat and more power reserve), with beautiful decoration
or, get the same Tourby with the "base" Unitas (or a Stowa) and with the leftover money you can get a Longines Avigation Bigeye (and you'd have enough money left over for a decent microbrand diver to complete the collection).
IWC have some really cool watches (i'm still lusting after the Portuguese chrono), but these 2 are some of the worst value-for-money watches on the planet. even if i was insanely filthy rich, i still wouldn't even consider getting these
I'm with the others here who prefer Laco and Stowa. I love IWC but these makers seem to get it absolutely right, especially Laco.
Lusted after some IWC Flieger style watches but couldn’t get past the price... so I ordered a STOWA 41mm with the Unitas Movement instead. Much happier.
Awesome intro, sorry but I only have enough time to pop in and watch a bit as I am a tad busy right now, but I will be back later to watch it in full. Sure it will be great!
No probs, thank you for the support anyway :D
Best regards,
TGV
Aside from the vintage theme presented in these IWC’s, I’d prefer to consider any number of Sinns on offer. They cost less and have impeccable quality also.
Like the idea of ceramic, shame about the awful red inner scale. Overpriced IMHO, prefer the more authentic look of Laco & Stowa. Good review, cheers 👍👍
As we say in the Service ... "Copy all" and concur with your assessment on both watches. I bought a Stowa Flieger "Klassic" thanks to your videos and insight on German watches and I couldn't be more satisfied. In fact, I bought my wife the 36mm version because she loved the looks of the watch, she wears it everyday. Looking to get the Sinn 104 next. I do love the looks of the Miramar strap however I think it would go better with the Heritage. Honestly I'd like to try it on my Stowa Flieger. Does anyone know where I can get a strap like that?
Thank you TGV. What is yout opinion in the Mark XVIII Petit Prince version? I think it’s still the nicest color combination.
Lovely watches with the sort of brand images most watch compnies would die for. However i do find it hard to justify their prices when they are packaging Sellita movements. I get it that watch manufacturers are not charities, are there to make money, have overheads etc but when Laco and Stowa can make superb flieger replicas and have the same sort of heritage using ETA and Sellita movements manufacturing in Germany for a quarter of the price it's hard to escape the feeling that you are paying for three letters rather than a watch.
Excellent review! IWC has a white dial Mark XVIII that you forgot to mention.
Thank you Roger, this was not a review about that particular model or their entire range, not many people want to watch a 3 hour review LOL! Unfortunately ;-)
Bes tregards,
TGV
Have to love IWC and one is on the wish list but I agree with TGV Laco and Stowa are wonderful more affordable brands. Currently own 90th Anniversary Stowa A Dial and a Laco Dortmund Erbstuck, beautiful done. If you have itch you have to scratch it :).
Big fan of the Mark 18. My only real gripe is no lume on the seconds hand. That feature has become my ‘sunroof’. Not necessary, but I don’t want to do without it.
IWC owns this space and makes the best our there. I personally have a IWC Big Pilot but love all the flieger type pieces by the main brands.
Cheers
And I am kicking myself for passing on a Tutima flieger. The remaining one is asking $3k more. Again only used Sub dates and Sea Dwellers for save value holding and market if the future I.e. 20 yrs from now. But I ❤✈⌚ though.
Pure class review / comparison as always TGV but you are more than welcome to leave the intro music out of the track listing for any potential Urban Gentry end of year album.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I was just dreaming of the Mark XVIII! Great and timely video. I'd take the Sellita and shrug off the limited water resist for two and a half thousand. I think they'd make a killing at that price point.
Excellent point, I think that would be a great price.
Makes me wonder how much they go for used!
Thank you Kevin, excellent point.
Best regards,
TGV
Great pieces for those with the money. If I was going for the heritage flieger style I'd surely choose Stowa though. Just my preference.
Your intros are so well made!!! What program are you using old chap?
Great review Tristano! I‘ve always been a big fan of IWC pilot‘s watches and that Heritage MARK XVIII is beautiful indeed - really love the matte grey titanium case. However the pricetag on both this and even more on the Miramar is hefty. In fact I can get a Damasko for around 1300 - 1400 Euros, which offers the same or even superior technical features and will look like new even after several years of daily use. Of course it doesn‘t have the IWC logo and Damasko is a relatively new player on the market, but does brand heritage really justify the pricepoint on these IWC models?
And yes, I fully agree with your opinion on the Miramar, it’s mediocre lume and the cheap looking ceramic case. I‘ve never understood why IWC only adds lume to the main markers on several of their models, including some of their classic pilot chronos.
Hi TGV!
Lol that’s a very industrial music of the intro,
yet cool though. :)
I tried on an IWC this week. White dial, printed black arabic numbers, very similar to this model or just simply the white version of yours. Anyway, I fall in love with the watch inmediately, actually it’s come most close to my heart, than anything else before.
Model number: IW327002.
I’m not sure if anyone else knows the feeling
when rarely a watch feels like a very part of you,
not just something what is exiting or capturing, yet staying like a good, well used, liked good tool.
I really felt that the mentioned model has gone to me absolutely well, without any doubt or question. So, after my recent Tudor and Sinn my mentioned IWC is definitely my next grail.
Great review!
Happy regards: Robert
I live in Rafz it's about 10 minutes from Schaffhausen.
Great place with the gorgeous Rhein fall !
Great review TGV, IWC has never been on the radar for me but those are two fantastic looking watches.👍🇮🇹☺
Thank you David,
To be honest, neither have they for me, I think we now know! LOL
I hope you are well.
Best regards,
TGV
The face of the Heritage looks nice, but it would have looked great if the colour of the numerals on the date wheel matched the rest of the dial.
I think you nailed this review. Spot on!
Hi TGV
As always very stylish watches from IWC. And as always quite expensive too...
Clearly prefer the “Heritage” model although I would prefer the non-blued hands on that one which would make it look even more as a vintage tool watch. Blued hands is more for a dress watch in my opinion...
Speaking of vintage watches...it could be interesting to see a “Luftwaffe 5” IWC compared to a “Dirty Dozen” ditto now that IWC was the only manufacturer delivering to both parties. WW2 in the flesh...
Keep up the good work👍
Haha, thank you Kjeld.
I love your Lufty 5 vs Dirty Dozen idea. I might just have to do that one day.
Best regards,
TGV
Spot on throughout. Nice one.
Cheers Tristano, I agree for that price tag it’s definitely not worth it. As you said Laco and Stowa all the way. It’s funny I’ve never really been into the Interstellar but seeing it there....🤔🤔🤔
Excellent review as always, Tristano! I’m a big fan of Fliegers, but I agree that I’ve seen a number of them from other manufacturers that are better, especially considering their prices. Particularly the Top Gun model, the red just doesn’t work. I’ve got an Archimede B. Uhr bronze on my wishlist!
Nice pair. But, I agree the A dial is the better one. Not keen on the ceramic case and overly modern design and elements of the B dial example. I would prefer a Flieger to be as true and classic as possible. As such, for at least the half the cost, I would prefer a Flieger from Laco. One of their original pilot watches in 42mm (the new 39mm is just a bit too dainty for a Flieger and don't care for the 18mm strap size). I really like the custom faux aged treatment they do and you can buy. They have the history, the original design and proportion (in 42mm scale) and because of all that, they are allowed the artistic license to age their watches accordingly for a very authentic look and feel.
great review! but I like more classic steel watches than titanium or ceramic cases..according to the list of materials from IWC stainless steel is better protected from breakage instead of titanium or ceramic...and 11mm is just too slim for my taste. but great video like always
Yeah.. For this I think Stowa is where you can get the most value. They're basically offering the same thing for prices that are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
finishing is poor on a Stowa though and they're not modified like IWC. If you're looking for value then get something like the Oceanica OP1
I'm really growing to love Fliegers, IWC watches in general do nothing for me which is fine because i couldn't afford one : ).
I really like Stowa though. Hoping to get a Sinn 104 soon, the nearest AD to me is in Leeds so a bit of a trip. Hope i still like it when i finally see one in the flesh.
Another great review Gov.