This process went from hilltop to hilltop until most, if not all of Eretz Yisrael was notified. There is absolutely no reason for any Jew in Israel to celebrate 2 days. And the most obviuos reason is that the Torah clearly says it is a 1 day holiday and that we are forbidden to add or subtract from God's Torah.
His best point is at 17:00, when he asks do people today enjoy two days and benefit from them? I do not. I am burning out on two days of chag. It is brutal on business. To me the second day is indeed a punishment. It is time to change this.
Since, to my knowledge, no one has ever considered adjusting the days for Yom Kippur and Sukkot based on the second day of RH, that already says that the first day is the only one considered to be the actual day of RH. If anyone believes that the second day could even remotely be the actual day, what then of his Yom Kippur and Sukkot which he will then purposely celebrate at the 'wrong' time??? This confusion can also make the case for one-day RH. Thanks to Kavod HaRav for making us think and helping us to be more authentic in our relationship with HKB"H and His Torah.
The Rabbi's arguments are cogent, but not yours. The other side argues for a 2-day Rosh Hashana in Eretz Yisroel, because so was frequently celebrated when the new moon was determined by eye witnesses. All agree that a 2-day Sukkot was virtually never celebrated in Eretz Yisroel.
Thank you, Rabbi. Every decree/ordinance/ruling of chachamim had a reason. They were genius problem solvers who took historical, political, economical situation into account before they issued a ruling. Just a few examples, Problem: Upon return from Persia, majority of jews can't read Hebrew script. Solution: Ezra institutes reading of the Torah in Assyrian script and Aramaic language. (Then later it was changed to Hebrew) Problem: Shmita laws (specifically related to loans) prevent a jew to lend money to jews in fear of never seeing the money again. Solution: Rabbis (I believe R. Akiva) introduce prosbul (Huge chalachic issue with a rabbi overwriting a Torah law. Many so called called "Orthodox" jews would probably call him reform for that) Problem: Jews in galut (Bavel) are not learning in time when the courts establish Rosh Chodesh. Solution: Rabbis introduce 2nd day of Yom tov and send messengers allowing them to break Shabbat laws. (huge chalachic issue with baal tosif --Though shall not add ..) Problem: Price of meat is expensive. Solution: A chacham (do not remember who) allowed bringing of a single korban for multiple miscarries. (A chalachic decision that contradicts what is written in Torah) Etc, etc. Every ruling had a base that made sense. The chazal of the past (unlike modern day "Orthodox" rabbis) had brains and chutzpa to come up with smart, logical solutions. If the problem no longer is present, then the ruling should no longer apply. The people of galut used a "tenai" principle for keeping 2 days. Ho do we today clearly aware of the calendar days, keep 2 days of Yom tov outside land of Israel, makes absolutely no sense. Moreover, it creates an issur of baal tosif. The chazal of the past would laugh at foolishness. As I showed above, they themselves offered many controversial but smart and innovative solutions, where todays rabbis not only do not offer solutions but don't even see problems. Very sad.
By now it's already many centuries that Rosh Hashanahhas been kept for 2 days by all the Jews of Israel. Many prominent rabbis have been here. There has been no coercion. All have accepted the ruling of Rav Hai & his reasoning. Therefore all must keep 2 days of Rosh Hashanah, even in Israel.
Rav Bar-Hayim overlooks the fact that as soon as the bet din accepted the witnesses testimony for the sighting of the new moon, there was a method of passing that information on to the rest of the country through fires that were lit on hill tops. Those people whose job it was to light the fires knew that it could only be a matter of one day or the next. Their job was to watch for the fires and as soon as they saw a fire, they lit their fire.
Soo what is the final Psak Din of the Rav? What does he do on the second day of Rosh Hashana (you know what I mean). Tefillin? Yes or no? Make Melacha? Y or N? What prayers?
my response is to slowly shed the second day of all chagim. I am burning out from the second day. It adds tremendous stress to my life, because I miss a lot of business. Rav bar Chaim asks the best question toward the end: Do we enjoy and benefit from the second day? In my case the answer is NO. One day will do me just fine. And as someone else pointed out here, one day is what is in the Torah. The rabbaim added and added and added to the point whee the camel's back is breaking. So no, I do not enjoy the second day
Rabbi Dawid what then should we follow? If I decide to keep only one day of Yom Tov in chuts laArets will I be going against the mitsvah of not following the majority of Chachamim?
You guys seems to ignore the Torah and talk about all there mid evil Rabbis, it's one day and we have a calender therefore this is a no brainer. One Day!
Rav Bar Hayim mentioned some people would miss the piyutim of the second day. But there are NO piyutim in musaf of the second day! The piyutim for the first day are ascribed to Kallir, the great paytan of the 7th century. There are no Kallir piyutim in our mahzorim for the second day. The piyutim for Shacharit were from Europe. Is it not logical that Kallir didn't write piyutim because he did not observe a second day of RH?
@@sl123sl I understand..that's a brilliant and incisive insight. The only thing I can think of is that when the new month depended on witnesses it's possible that enough of the time there wouldn't be witnesses for some reason (cloudy night, witnesses too far, etc). In those instances RH would've been called on the 31st day and Elul would've been 30 days that years
You guys seems to ignore the Torah and talk about all the 12th century Rabbis. It's one day and we have a calender therefore this is a no brainer. One Day!
The entire discussion is about rabbinic law (d-rabanan), not Torah law (d-oraitha). No one is disputing what the Torah says in this video, except for some people in the comments who perhaps take issue with God's command in the Torah that we heed the judges' understanding/application/legislation of Torah law.
His argument is ridiculous... What is the comparison between what the Rambam says regarding Shemita, to the Minhag to keep one day in Eretz Yisrael? What the Rambam means is that when there is a Mesorah for a "calculation" that carries weight because they scrupulously kept the calculation of when Shemita is. But here the question is if it is a correct Minhag to keep one day (assuming he is correct that they did) in the first place. The only thing that can be proven is that they kept one day cont
I had always wondered why in Eretz Yisrael it was 2 days - just like in the diaspora. I found your talk very thought invoking. Thank you & שנה טובה
Very thought provoking.
This process went from hilltop to hilltop until most, if not all of Eretz Yisrael was notified. There is absolutely no reason for any Jew in Israel to celebrate 2 days. And the most obviuos reason is that the Torah clearly says it is a 1 day holiday and that we are forbidden to add or subtract from God's Torah.
His best point is at 17:00, when he asks do people today enjoy two days and benefit from them? I do not. I am burning out on two days of chag. It is brutal on business. To me the second day is indeed a punishment. It is time to change this.
Since, to my knowledge, no one has ever considered adjusting the days for Yom Kippur and Sukkot based on the second day of RH, that already says that the first day is the only one considered to be the actual day of RH. If anyone believes that the second day could even remotely be the actual day, what then of his Yom Kippur and Sukkot which he will then purposely celebrate at the 'wrong' time??? This confusion can also make the case for one-day RH. Thanks to Kavod HaRav for making us think and helping us to be more authentic in our relationship with HKB"H and His Torah.
The Rabbi's arguments are cogent, but not yours. The other side argues for a 2-day Rosh Hashana in Eretz Yisroel, because so was frequently celebrated when the new moon was determined by eye witnesses. All agree that a 2-day Sukkot was virtually never celebrated in Eretz Yisroel.
Thank you, Rabbi.
Every decree/ordinance/ruling of chachamim had a reason.
They were genius problem solvers who took historical, political, economical situation into account before they issued a ruling.
Just a few examples,
Problem: Upon return from Persia, majority of jews can't read Hebrew script.
Solution: Ezra institutes reading of the Torah in Assyrian script and Aramaic language. (Then later it was changed to Hebrew)
Problem: Shmita laws (specifically related to loans) prevent a jew to lend money to jews in fear of never seeing the money again.
Solution: Rabbis (I believe R. Akiva) introduce prosbul
(Huge chalachic issue with a rabbi overwriting a Torah law. Many so called called "Orthodox" jews would probably call him reform for that)
Problem: Jews in galut (Bavel) are not learning in time when the courts establish Rosh Chodesh.
Solution: Rabbis introduce 2nd day of Yom tov and send messengers allowing them to break Shabbat laws.
(huge chalachic issue with baal tosif --Though shall not add ..)
Problem: Price of meat is expensive.
Solution: A chacham (do not remember who) allowed bringing of a single korban for multiple miscarries.
(A chalachic decision that contradicts what is written in Torah)
Etc, etc.
Every ruling had a base that made sense. The chazal of the past (unlike modern day "Orthodox" rabbis) had brains and chutzpa to come up with smart, logical solutions.
If the problem no longer is present, then the ruling should no longer apply. The people of galut used a "tenai" principle for keeping 2 days. Ho do we today clearly aware of the calendar days, keep 2 days of Yom tov outside land of Israel, makes absolutely no sense. Moreover, it creates an issur of baal tosif. The chazal of the past would laugh at foolishness.
As I showed above, they themselves offered many controversial but smart and innovative solutions, where todays rabbis not only do not offer solutions but don't even see problems. Very sad.
well said. shana tovah
By now it's already many centuries that Rosh Hashanahhas been kept for 2 days by all the Jews of Israel. Many prominent rabbis have been here. There has been no coercion. All have accepted the ruling of Rav Hai & his reasoning. Therefore all must keep 2 days of Rosh Hashanah, even in Israel.
Rav Bar-Hayim overlooks the fact that as soon as the bet din accepted the witnesses testimony for the sighting of the new moon, there was a method of passing that information on to the rest of the country through fires that were lit on hill tops. Those people whose job it was to light the fires knew that it could only be a matter of one day or the next. Their job was to watch for the fires and as soon as they saw a fire, they lit their fire.
Yes! I am going to daven normally and wear tefilin this Friday, in my own house of course and i wont do melacha in public so as not to cause strife
Interesting and thought provoking. Does the Rav therefore advise the Gola to keep one day only?
some of us are already moving in that direction simply because two days is unsustainable and logically indefensible
Soo what is the final Psak Din of the Rav? What does he do on the second day of Rosh Hashana (you know what I mean). Tefillin? Yes or no? Make Melacha? Y or N? What prayers?
my response is to slowly shed the second day of all chagim. I am burning out from the second day. It adds tremendous stress to my life, because I miss a lot of business. Rav bar Chaim asks the best question toward the end: Do we enjoy and benefit from the second day? In my case the answer is NO. One day will do me just fine. And as someone else pointed out here, one day is what is in the Torah. The rabbaim added and added and added to the point whee the camel's back is breaking. So no, I do not enjoy the second day
Rabbi Dawid what then should we follow? If I decide to keep only one day of Yom Tov in chuts laArets will I be going against the mitsvah of not following the majority of Chachamim?
You guys seems to ignore the Torah and talk about all there mid evil Rabbis, it's one day and we have a calender therefore this is a no brainer. One Day!
Rav Bar Hayim mentioned some people would miss the piyutim of the second day. But there are NO piyutim in musaf of the second day! The piyutim for the first day are ascribed to Kallir, the great paytan of the 7th century. There are no Kallir piyutim in our mahzorim for the second day. The piyutim for Shacharit were from Europe. Is it not logical that Kallir didn't write piyutim because he did not observe a second day of RH?
outstanding point!
Isn't Elul always 29 days ? ...so wouldn't it have been always known when the first day of Tishrei would be?
No such thing as a 29 day month
@@shutupavi 5 months, including Elul have 29 days - check Jewish calendar.
@@sl123sl You're right. Guess both I and the Rabbi misspoke in the same way.
@@shutupavi yes... so I still have my original question...unless the days of months were different at some point in the past?
@@sl123sl I understand..that's a brilliant and incisive insight. The only thing I can think of is that when the new month depended on witnesses it's possible that enough of the time there wouldn't be witnesses for some reason (cloudy night, witnesses too far, etc). In those instances RH would've been called on the 31st day and Elul would've been 30 days that years
You guys seems to ignore the Torah and talk about all the 12th century Rabbis. It's one day and we have a calender therefore this is a no brainer. One Day!
The entire discussion is about rabbinic law (d-rabanan), not Torah law (d-oraitha). No one is disputing what the Torah says in this video, except for some people in the comments who perhaps take issue with God's command in the Torah that we heed the judges' understanding/application/legislation of Torah law.
it doesn't prove whether that was the correct thing to do. The Rif certainly didn't think it was!
His argument is ridiculous... What is the comparison between what the Rambam says regarding Shemita, to the Minhag to keep one day in Eretz Yisrael? What the Rambam means is that when there is a Mesorah for a "calculation" that carries weight because they scrupulously kept the calculation of when Shemita is. But here the question is if it is a correct Minhag to keep one day (assuming he is correct that they did) in the first place. The only thing that can be proven is that they kept one day cont
Yes, but if the Jews of Israel kept one day of Rosh Hashanah, then it makes sense that we should follow that position.