Here's a little trick: the input is fff 2+4 right? So you press the first forward during the previous attack animation and then you press the second forward followed by the third forward AT SAME TIME you do the 2+4 input. Hope you find it usefull
@@LucasHenrique-vu9yj fff 2+4 is the input for running jaguar bomb. Aerial Jaguar bomb is the giant swing input but I'm pretty sure you can still buffer the foward input during the last attack.
@@egg6952 no I play mishimas and i can't do pewgf but I can do taunt jet upper, would i hit it in a match probably not. But i can definitely get them to land in practice mode 20% of the time
Bryan players will say taunt jet upper is hard and Kazuya players will say PEWGF is harder, Katarina players will say 4444 and Noctis players will say 2222.
I know it's late to the Tekken 7 party but since T8 is here, at least in this game it's not even close. I never played a Mishima before, tried to do PEWGF and got it like 5 times meanwhile I've been practicing TJU for around 5 hours and didn't get it not even once.
@@Ocean5ix Yeah that’s how it usually goes good luck landing it online unless you’re from korea or japan where the internet is super good you probably will mess up.
I feel like it’s probably harder to learn TJU. And easier to learn DF2 CH PEWGF. But once you get the hang of TJU it becomes easier as it should, but not with PEWGF. That always stays incredibly hard.
What makes TJU harder to learn? It’s basically both the same thing, just with different moves. Jet Upper and EWGF. If you ask a newcomer to learn TJU and PEWGF, I would say the PEWGF is harder, because you have to learn to do the Electric itself. With TJU you only have to get Jet Upper which is way easier in itself. (Just my opinion, idk anything about TJU so correct me if i’m wrong)
@@mohamedtanakim5901 LONG ANSWER: I’m going to be 100% honest here. I don’t think learning electric is that hard tbh. I’m not a kazuya main or any Mishima main. And when I first started out on the game I could easily do an electric. I think the difficulty is kinda over exaggerated if I’m honest. Yeah maybe you’ll drop an electric a few times but it’s not hard. The thing that is hard about tju is first of all doing the taunt which is a 3 button input(yes you could buffer/macro this input) as soon as the taunt hits you do a f neutral f b2. The back and 2 needs to be on the same frame. When taunt lands you get +15 or 16 I don’t remember. So you need to be frame perfect with every input. Imagine trying to learn that. Very very hard, but once you get the timing correct it becomes a lot easier. Now with Pewgf you can do that by itself by practicing over and over again. Once you get pewgf down then try df2 ch and pewgf. Same thing with timing very hard. But you can actually get pewgf after df2 ch but just doing the input incredibly fast. This is very hard of course and quite inconsistent unless you’re incredibly fast all the time. So what I’m trying to say is if you give a intermediate player to land 1 pewgf out of 100 times. He would most likely get lucky enough to do it. But tju he won’t land any. As you need to learn the timings properly, you can’t get lucky with TJU you have to spend hours in the lab to learn that. But with ch d2 pewgf i believe you will have a better chance landing that as you can just do the input fast that you’ll get it eventually. I don’t know if this makes any sense or what. But what I’m trying to say is you NEED to master tju to hit it. BUT with ch d2 pewgf i think you can hit it without that much practice. BUT if you want to hit df2 ch pewgf consistently then you would need to lab it for hours. Does this make any sense, I dunno. I feel like I could explain it better with my voice rather than through a message. SHORT ANSWER: So tju you have to master to hit it at all. Df2 pewgf you don’t have to master and you might hit it sometimes with luck. Make sense?
@@habibiaboodi Oh so you have to time all the inputs (including neutral) with the 3 frames of leniency. But I thought you‘d have to do that with the PEWGF also because both versions of the PEWGF have 3 inputs. Note: I‘m a mishima main, and I had a very hard time learning the electric. Even doing a wind godfist was kinda tricky. And still after 3 years of this game I am dropping it 8/10 times. (on pad)
@@MFUnicornBey I have practised tju a fair bit and have done it a handful of times in games pewgf on other hand I have practised a lot and done uncountable amount of times in games that’s jst my analysis I thought it made sense that whatever u practise more you are better with.
I feel like the principle of the moves are relatively the same. Being: ‘You have 1 frame to get this input perfectly’. And it’s easier to mess up PEWGF than Jet Upper in that one frame you have. At least, for me.
For the record, technical guides on these two techniques would be amazing. (I remember that eons ago you did a guide on EWGF, but an update that incorporates your now Gandalf-level wisdom would be super cool.)
I understand TMMs point with electrics being harder and normal electrics are definitely more difficult than jet upper, but I still think the taunt is harder
@@keinonodom284 mainman cant even do the TJU. hes just boosting his ego rn to make up for the fact that he cant do it. taunt is way harder than baby input pewgf.
@@roamalot3000 I went into practice mode before posting this comment. I hit every other electric I attempted, and im not a Mishima player. I spent 45min. trying taunt jet upper and only got it twice. Just my opinion. taunt requires a cancel and a frame perfect input. Electirics only require a just frame.
In practice mode your opponent isn't moving. The thing about TJU or any taunt follow-up is that the fight is still going while you are trying to use it, whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input. There is no chance for your opponent to interrupt you. Meanwhile, to apply a TJU you need to be moving in order to track and corner your opponent. All of that extra movement input on top of the already frame perfect move makes it harder to pull off, and this becomes evident once you realize even top Bryan players still drop the easier follow-ups rather frequently.
Yep in real match, TJU is way harder, thats why even jimmy and knee drop it pretty often. And only few time u can go into good taunt setup each round compared to PEWGF where u can try to do it even in neutral.
"whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input." You literally have zero frames to prepare for the input after df2 connects on counter hit. Full launch frames on the opponent are exactly i13. And PEWGF is 13 frames.
@@mazymetric8267 he never said anything about df2… you’re literally imputing f, neutral, df+2 anytime whereas tju you have to wait for the right time to input ju even tho the game already has delay frames. You don’t see knee or jimmy getting tju every single time like kaz mains doing pewgfs.
@@DeezNutzzzzzzzzzzz What I meant was when CH df2 connects, you only have exactly 13 frames to input the electric and electric input is a lot harder than jet upper input. They are both just frames but imo PEWGF is more complex. I have seen Kazuya players like Boa Choksae drop PEWGF so many times. Knee doesn't drop tju that much. Watch the ft10 between him and Jimmy. He was hitting tju 90% of the time.
@@DeezNutzzzzzzzzzzz "he never said anything about df2" ?? It is common knowledge among Tekken players that CH df2 into a full launch with electric constitutes as PEWGF.
@@jackyv626 which moves are hard to punish with is a different topic, but yeah not sure if electric can be buffered when block punishing so that might be why
To preface this comment, I play both Kaz,Bryan and plenty of other characters. I have about 3600~ hours in tekken, about 12k games played on Bryan and around 10k on Kaz. I can do both TJU and PEWGF relatively consistently online. In the context of DF2 PEWGF vs TJU, I hit the former more than the latter,even though I practice TJU a lot more. I''d say about 70-% PEWGF success rate vs 50~60% for TJU The main factors that contribute to that I feel are the fact that during DF2 PEWGF,or any pewgf out of recovery, has a tiny bit of leniency due to the fact that I consistently have 1-3f of F input before recovering and then inputting the rest of the command(checked with tekkenbotprime in case you're wondering). While this does NOT give you actual leniency with the input,it does help with the fact that inputting a single direction for only a single frame before moving on to neutral and then to the rest of the command is hard,much harder than people think to do consistently. Especially without abusing your lever,in case you play stick like I do. To add to that,in the context of DF2 PEWGF, if you happen to get either d2,wgf or a normal ewgf,you are still able to convert off of it very easily, as long as you don't accidentally get a df2. And while yes,DF2 is -12,that move is generally worth to throw out once in a while,especially in matchups where i12 punishment doesn't hurt too much. Now on to JU. You are correct with the fact you can buffer it for block punishment, and as long as it doesn't come to moves with some pushback,that makes it vastly superior as a punisher to EWGF. As someone who can blockpunish -14 moves on very familiar matchups semi reliably with PEWGF(to give myself more room for error),I'll still say JU is an overall better punisher. And to add to that,it is virtually undroppable as long as you're not talking about moves with little to no blockstun. Those are generally hard to punish,no matter what you're using. The first thing I'll mention with TJU is that I find it a LOT harder to set up. Everyone with half a brain will do their best not to tech into that and actual TRUE taunt setups are far and few between outside of wall. And in those cases next to the wall,you will want to default to the much much easier taunt B4 anyways. I'll guarantee you,most ways people set up taunt you can backdash out of easily. In case you want to try,make sure to set second action to backdash in practice mode when looking for setups. As far as I am aware, there are only a handful of ways to set it up on open ground if they tech and those are well known, out of combos there are three,with only one being consistent and one more out of BT/off axis situations. Second thing,backroll kills those stone dead,even if they do expose their back to qcb4/f41 from FDFT and FUFA positions. If you don't react to those quickly,they might even have time to poke you out of taunt or at least check you and now your momentum is gone. Now, once you've finally gotten a consistent way to set up taunt,you are somewhat confident in the fact you dashed the exact distance you need before double taunting and seeing them tech, NOW it comes to actually doing the command: Doing 1f per input is tricky, not as tricky as PEWGF but it still is. While I still played pad I found it borderline impossible to actually have 1f for that F input,sliding to back and having 1f of neutral without hitting u/d in the process. On stick that has gotten much easier,but it's still something that you will drop from time to time. The next hurdle for people who started practicing taunt is the fact that now after spending so much time hitting direction+button on the same frame taunt impacts,you now have to separate that completely,inputting said button 2f after impact,which can be quite a problem when it comes to muscle memory. It'll even mess me up from time to time,either being able to only TJU or only taunt B4 on some days. Now that you've crossed the hurdle of actually inputting an instant JU is this: What happens if you drop it? You get nothing,absolutely nothing. 2jab on hit,b2 on block,most of the time you'll both be confused enough for nothing much to happen. But still,that's the key difference in between pewgf and TJU,if you mess up PEWGF,at best you still convert for 70~dmg without wall, 40something for a second df2. In case of dropped TJU,at best 10dmg from the 2jab or nothing at all. While both moves are difficult to execute,I feel that they require a very different kind of execution and are not directly comparable in terms of use in open play. In more abstract terms,they're still both 2f/3f sequences done at a specific timing,executed 1f per input with no leeway overall. Make of that what you will. Thanks to anyone who could force themselves to read this mess xD
@@ericmotta1 hey,thanks for the suggestion. And I'm glad to hear you thought it was an interesting read. Considered streaming for a while and could never really get myself to take the plunge and get started with it. I'll think about it. I'm a bit washed up exec wise nowadays, but if you need anything explained or demonstrated I'd gladly do that.
I think the illusion here stems from the fact that it's easier to get a lucky PEWGF sometimes than a lucky TJU. So you'll have people who have never land a TJU in their life, but they've landed one PEWGF after 6 hours of practice mode, and boom, the latter feels easier.
I think that they drop electrics more because a kazuya player does 15-20 electrics a round. Brian players do 1-2 jet uppers a round. Obviously if you're using a move 10x more it's gonna drop more. Even the best players can drop simple combos if doing it 20 times in a row.
Yep. Well in real match vs practice. Tju way harder to hit in real match, plus u prob only have very few chances to actually go into taunt setup each round. While u can try to hit PEWGF even in neutral.
king wave dash have nasty setup 1. chains throw mix-up with high damage about 80 ~ 120, you sure wanna duck that 2. homing mid,mid that ballerina stun on hit with huge frame advantage on hit making sure you never side step 3. mid launcher that is only -10 on block forcing you not to duck it's hard for a reason
I'd say tju is harder, because besides from the justfame input, you also have to figure out the timing of taunt. While you can also pewgf-punish ....a -16 moves as an example. Not trying to downplay pewgf tho. Trying to pewgf a -13frame move is probably more difficult. He is exaggerating the consistence of people and their tju by far tho lmao
@cbzg6666 true. at the end of the day, both requires execution, need to hit some conditions before being done, and 1-2 more things. There's no 100% consistency with either. I'd still stick with tju because of a few factors, like, nothing will happen to you if you don't hit a pewgf but get a ewgf instead or drop a combo etc. anyway, that's not the point after all, cheers
Tmms explaining why the character he plays is the best because its the worst because is the hardest, the usual exercise in self pleasure. Meanwhile every red rank player can ewfg and almost anyone is blue ranks cant taunt jet upper.
I think a lot of people say TJU is harder because they have experience with Mishimas and have already practiced the electric a lot, so PEWGF just comes more naturally to them. I can do DF2 PEWGF but can't do TJU, that's because I haven't put in the practice. Yeah initially TJU might feel harder but as TMM says, when you really got both techniques down, objectively PEWGF is harder.
PEWGF is also harder because you don't have as much of a visual tell for when to start the input. For TJU you can follow Bryan's knee and can better practice timing with the hit effect and sound, for PEWGF you have to vaguely time it to when Kazuya's arm is at some arbitrary place.
@@drkcrstl You input it right when the knee is about the hit the ground, if you do want to do it exactly when the knee hits the ground, your chance of getting it will be smaller
Also, for the sole reason that if that if you do a Bryan Taunt you just need to have the execution in hand since its and unblockable move. Being that said, you have the few seconds of the taunt startup to prepare your hand/fingers for the inputs. Meanwhile, for df+2 PEWGF you need to add the reaction time and, in the heat of the battle, that adds more prob to mess it up. Regardless of the muscle memory from practice, TJU is easier for that sole reason too.
I don't play Mishimas or Bryan but for me its the same. PEWGF is quite "easy" to land (in p-mode in a few minutes) while TJU I haven't managed to pull off.
@@pablotheimmortal6440 same, im a yoshi main (orange ranks), and i have 0 hours on kazuya or bryan, but i was able to do pewgf like 30% of the time, like the first minutes of practicing, and wasn't even able to perform taunt jet upper once in 30 mins
@@ChrisGrin There's no way you weren't able to pull off TJU at least once in practice mode. Timing on TJU is way easier compared to PEWGF. You either don't really know how to do it or you're being bad on purpose.
@@Lbdataz1469I’ve been playing Bryan for a minute now and haven’t hit one TJU but before Bryan I tried Kazuhiro and i hit perfect electric about 30% too
@@Lbdataz1469 i think its probably because of yoshi's sword horizontal slash move, cuz it has the same inputs as pewgf, and i tend to use it a lot and rly fast, so i guess i have an advantage
I actually did both of them a couple of times yesterday here is the deal: First jet upper actually takes the cake for the weird input: 1:most of the game's "press simultaneously" just frames are actually down+forward into something, like otgf, jfsr, electrics, etc. 2:Its also the matter of actually doing it, getting forward to back takes longer, and while you have exactly one frame to do it it matters. 3: add the fact thay the awkward tuant input has to be done three times in quick succession before inputing jet upper or else it won't track. But the most important reason is the forward input. Taunt has no recovery frames. So if you do a forward input 2 frame too early and hold it for two frames it breaks tju, tuant won't land. it doesn't do it with pewgf. Forward input after that is the only just frame in the game that can not be hold too early or for too long.
TJU is harder because you get like 4-5 frames of buffer at the start of it on the f input of PEWGF. Only the d,d/f have to be frame perfect after that and if you're fast that happens naturally. PEWGF might be harder to time and technically a harder set of inputs... but frame wise the TJU has 3 frame perfect inputs while the PEWGF only has 2.
Imo not only is TJU harder, because of the technical inputs, but also because it is way harder to apply in a real match ^^ It's also kinda weird hearing TMM say something like "TJU is not dropped as often -> PEWGF harder", considering TJU's are labbed way more I feel like
Perfect electric is much easier here's my evidence I can pewgf mildly consistently I have never gotten a single taunt jet upper and I'm a Bryan main also his evidence is really bad because kazuyas do ewgf constantly like atleast 5x more then Bryan's do taunt jet upper
What? Wheres the logic in that. If we go by your logic lets say im a devil jin main, and i also play heihachi. I cant dash into 2 after screw but can do omen. Does that mean dash 2 is harder?? No
@@Lockeabout but seriously if you want my actual reasons forward back is actually incredibly unatural on stick plus cancelling taunt on the first frame is significantly harder then just doing an ewgf input perfectly it may be harder to do in a punish situation but just in nuetral pewgf is way way easier
I'm a mishimas player since 1 year and half, have to try 100 or 200 times before getting PEWGF, I try to learn like 2 days ago TJU, i got it in 1 hour And btw FF2 into OTGF into real combo is way harder than both
Never seen anyone accidentally do a TJU. Idk, TJU seems far more conscious, where as the PEWGF may be a tighter scenario, you can take your chances with speed and be rewarded with it even if you're being mindless, but good luck fluking a TJU in a match.
I get what you're saying, and it's a good point. In theory, if you have fast reactions and clean execution, you could pull off a fluke PEWGF if you throw out DF2 a lot and react to the CH stun. In theory.. But,the chances of actually pulling it off are low if you don't lab the timing into muscle memory. And the chances of hitting it by accident are lower still. DF2 is also punishable, so throwing it out recklessly isn't the best idea anyway, especially if the reward is that you MIGHT fluke a PEWGF. TJU is pretty much the same difficulty in terms of execution. But it's more viable in it's utility. Taunt doesn't require a CH. It's unblockable. It's basically free if they can't react, or you set it up off their tech roll.
@@NzDyNamX_God You've totally got it the other way around pal. Just copy pasted as another comment explained it perfectly. In practice mode your opponent isn't moving. The thing about TJU or any taunt follow-up is that the fight is still going while you are trying to use it, whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue(df2) to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input. There is no chance for your opponent to interrupt you. Meanwhile, to apply a TJU you need to be moving in order to track and corner your opponent. All of that extra movement input on top of the already frame perfect move makes it harder to pull off, and this becomes evident once you realize even top Bryan players still drop the easier follow-ups rather frequently. Also his consistency rate is just pure BS. Rarely do I see even knee/jimmy/bilal being consistent with TJU.
Setting up a taunt jet upper is easier but I definitely think the input is harder. I can land CH df2 -> pewgf slightly more often in practice doing them both back to back over the course of several hours. The reason TJU is harder in my opinion is because once the df2 is thrown out that's it. You don't need to watch or think or time. You will get the counter hit animation and sound to show when you're ready for the pewgf. Then a few frames while you are both recovering to react and put in the perfect electric. The taunt knee you need to input the taunt jet upper the exact moment the knee connects. There's no recovery frames after you see the taunt connect to then input the jet upper. The entire thing from the beginning to end is active. There's no pause when the taunt connects.
I think TJU is easier than Pewgf because you never need to “reactively” perform a TJU, therefore by practicing and memorising the timing of TJU makes it very doable. But PEWGF are required mostly base on reaction. Oh shoot block a -13 move? Let me immediately PEWGF. Counter hit df2? Immediately perform PEWGF. Secondly the input, of PEWGF is harder than TJU for sure
The thing with TJU, you wouldn't know if you literally landed it because the opponent can press when they are hit with the taunt so it's not like you landed it most of the time when the jet hit
The title is a bit misleading. Some people are saying that pewgf is easier than a taunt jet upper. And that is true, but thats because you are forgetting the blockstun or recovery after hitting d/f+2 on counter hit. For the sound of it, people in the comments are talking about pewgf just in neutral, not in those situations. I think thats why people feel that pewgf is easier
Exactly. Some people are saying that after practicing for less than 1 hour, they can do PEWGF with a 30% success rate lol. They clearly don't realize they need to get a full launch with the PEWGF immediately after stunning the opponent with a CH d/f+2.
Honestly ive been playing tekken for a pretty long time and i only landed a TJU once...never a PEWGF...so i would say a PEWGF is harder because of the nearly impossible just frame execution...
I actually think df2 pewgf should be easier than tju for any non mishima/bryan main, because you are more likely to get it by accident, but to block punish with pewgf you need to lab where exactly does the block stun end, which is different for any given -13 move thus making block punishing with pewgf harder than tju
PEWGF is harder. Taunt is an unblockable. It's free if they can't react to it. PEWGF requires a CH DF2. Some days, just getting a CH DF2 with Kazuya is harder than TJU. Letting alone reacting to the CH stun, THEN executing a frame perfect i13 EWGF.
i have landed pewgf df2 ch about 10 times, i can do taunt b4 consistently, but i lose it in the jet upper, have no idea what it is. I definitely have a 14fr jet upper, but maybe i get additional inputs which ruin my timing, have no way to quanitfy it unlike pewgf.
"f on the frame it hits, one frame of neutral, b and 2 the same frame" Jimmy J to Aris when he was trying and that helped him. I haven't tried doing tju however I've tried and never landed pewgf df2 ch. But what Jimmy said seems to be the "trick" to get into doing tju. ua-cam.com/video/5uupJW2hBjU/v-deo.html
I'm 3 years late but as I main both, all I can say is that I've done multiple perfect electrics throughout the time I've played Kazuya but I've only done a total of 5 TJUs in Tekken 7. Now in Tekken 8, I've consistently (though not 100%) done Perfect Electrics but I haven't done a single TJU.
Tju is harder form a Practical standpoint because it easy as hell to just throw out. D/f 2 and get a counter hit vs trying to taunt someone in the neutral or even at the wall its only a mix up takes way more skill for the frist half of the equation. Kazuya mains always back pedal from this fact.
Bryan TJU is hard but it's a matter of time that your muscle memory grasps the timing, also the same thing is with Kazuya it also gets better by practice but TJU is easy to land and here i am not talking about the input although the time and input are pretty strict and have to be accurate but the conditioning and the placing of taunt is somewhat more easy and here I am not exaggerating, But for the PEWGF, you have to make your opponent hit you because of the df+2 counter hit which can be quite risky sometimes and the follow-up PEWGF is then also have to be frame perfect and with the two variations of PEWGF, either you have to to much accurate or move your hand/fingers at godspeed to get the PEWGF after CH df+2 meanwhile Bryan ha somewhat an easy input and better placing situation of TJU. So personally in my opinion I would say that PEWGF is harder because you risk of getting counter hit by faster moves and it's of no use (other than punishing -13 moves which requires godlike execution) without counter hit df+2 where as Bryan taunt is an unblockable and can also be used some times to bait while pressuring with it and follow-up jet upper input is not that hard if you practice. So In my opinion I'd say that PEWGF is harder
Although, I'm a beginner I agree with TMM's opinion about it. I've nailed PEWGF in practise mode and never hit TJU but yeah, although I main Bryan, I still think PEWGF is harder.
Its weird, because I see TMM drop TJU all the time when he plays Bryan, but he does pewgf a hell of a lot. He mentions how Bryan players can go into practice mode and do random jet uppers more frequently than Kaz players can do electrics, but us Bryan players are just doing naked jet uppers, we’re not doing PERFECT FRAME JUST FRAME jet uppers, but an electric is a perfect frame input. If jet upper required a perfect frame input to do, it would ONLY be executed as block punishing or from a taunt, that’s how hard it is to perfectly just frame input a jet upper. I honestly don’t know which one is harder, I just thought I’d point out how TMM’s logic is extremely contradictory.
I think taunt jet upper might be harder on pad or certain controllers because you have to have neutral in the input. Some controllers might not just recover to neutral fast enough (within 16ms) to be able to perform it. I also think a polling rate or something of the controller might affect it as well. Ive been trying to do this on hori octa, but it seems like i can do f,d,df wihtout neutral 1 frame each atleast once but i never hit the taunt jet upper because the first input is always like 3f because of the neutral issue or thats how i feel. would like some feedback on this that do i just suck or have broken controller or is it just impossible on pad.
Ok this is a bad argument.The reason is the argument unrightfully claims the difficulty with consistency.Taunt jet upper is easier to master but harder to execute while chdf2 pewgf is easier to learn harder to master.The problem tmm ignores is the actual application of the move.Taunt jet upper is a reaction based option select wall combo.The taunt itself in this application is button bufferable meaning 1,3,4 inputs 2 of them can be buffered for %100 consistent taunt and the timing never changes in cancel.This is easy to master but harder to learn than learning ch df2 pewgf due to the nature of ch.You actually never know when a ch is going to hit so you mentally need to be ready in actual matches.This drops the consistency.When it comes to practice mode the taunt input itself due to its difficulty to input in the open is harder to do than just df2.So when trying to learn just taunt beginners already have a problem.Last thing is tips and tricks.The mentioned wall taunt game has secret tricks like triple taunts which a new player most certainly won't know about unless they find very fringe resources on the case so even if they are able to do taunt jet upper in the open translating that skill to wall game is something else while doing bryans oki wall combos which except for just db1+2 are hard.You need either proximity to do uf3 or you need to learn b3 cancel on top of taunt.These all add layers.For chdf2 pewgf you only need to learn pewgf and make it fast and learn the timing for f input right when stun is over.This is much easier to comprehend and do few times but harder to master because of the chdf2 stun changing in game. Also as a person who studied both i can definitely say doing your first taunt jet upper requires much more work and hahastep of lei is harder to master than both if we are looking at mastering a skill as difficulty only 1 lei player akon of ivory coast mastered it.
I think this one is subjective, electric is a trickier input than JU but TJU is harder than PEWGF, reason being with PEWGF, it can be easier depending what arcade stick or hitbox you're using. No matter what you're using TJU won't be easier to do. Also taunt ff2 is harder than both of them
As a Bryan guy, in practise mode, taunt jet upper on player 1 side is easier for me to do, much easier. PEWGF is just hard as heck, I'm thinking because of the visual cues needed to perform the move, more so than TJU. TJU is forward back plus 2, while PEWGF requires a perfect electric which a lot of people can't even do.
The thing is that it’s pretty common to get a df2 counter hit while the Bryan player has to set it up in oki the Kazuya will have way more chances to get the df2 pewgf than the Bryan. It’s about the same to be honest to get both in matches.
@@xLimitlesso Nowhere near? It's easily just as hard as them. Even the best Steve players drop it from time to time, on their GOOD days. Just watch some footage of Heera Malik when he's in shape. Just watch his streams or look up some YT videos of his tournaments etc. and see that even he drops it here and there. I'm not even a Bryan or Kazuya player and I've done df2 into PEWGF and TJU a decent amount of times in my life. Nowhere near consistent obviously, but I also barely play them so it's no surprise. The Steve combo on the other hand I've only managed to pull off ONCE in my life, and it was in practice mode. And I am a Steve main... There's not a single Steve player in the world that can hit it 100%, reliably. They WILL drop it every now and then. I'm not saying the Steve combo is harder than those 2 other moves, but it's easily just as hard. Saying it's "nowhere near" in terms of difficulty is just plain wrong. Just ask any Steve pro players.
@@disruptor6550 yes it's nowhere near. I'm a Steve player who can get the combo 95% of the time. Yes the combo is hard. But it's a staple. Pewgf and tju is way harder
@@kushan_tk Well, then upload a video where you do it at least 9 out of 10 times, without cuts. I've been following professional Steve players a long time, and it's VERY rare that any of them hit it around 95%. Sure, I can't say I've watched much footage of those players in practice mode (where they'd probably hit those 95%), but even in the warm-up stage I've seen them miss it many times, where there's no pressure. I'm not saying it's impossible, and I know there's a ton of Steve players that can pull it off (and some even pretty consistently), but based on my personal experience and following the pro scene, I've never seen anyone be close to 100%, except for maybe Heera on a good day. I stand by my opinion in saying that it's equally as hard as the other moves, or at the very least very close to them. Saying it's "nowhere near" is just unfair. If not even the top 10 best Steve players in the world can pull it off 95% of the time, what makes you think I'll believe some random guy on the internet claiming he can do it? And even IF you happen to do it 95% of the time, that can't by any means be applied to the rest of the Tekken community. As I said, I've followed the pro scene long enough to know how often they drop this combo. And this isn't even an opinion, it's a fact. If I've watched those streams and videos and saw it with my own eyes, there's not much you can say or do to "change" my mind. So unless you magically find footage of like 50-100 different Steve players all hitting it 95 out of 100 times, then anything else you will say is moot.
@@disruptor6550 ua-cam.com/video/VyZx9RFJyYs/v-deo.html The first few tries were warm up because I haven't played steve in a while as I'm learning feng at the moment. But I can get it 10 times in a row. I understand what you're saying. There's no doubt that the shiro combo is one the hardest combos in the game. However there is a lot of leniency in getting the pick up. You don't get any form of leniency in TJU and PEWGF because they are just frames. The timing has to be frame perfect. I get the combo more often when I'm playing matches for some reason. I main steve and kazuya btw.
is it PEWGF combo or is it just PEWGF on its own? cause if its just the PEWGF, taunt jet upper is harder, but if its the PEWGF combo, I agree with mainman.
Naps, bilal and even knee drop tju frequently. But when knee is waiting for his next opponent while in practice mode w/ kazuya, he does pewgf consistently after the df2 counter hit.. Pretty sure tju is wayy harder lmao
I think pewgf is harder to execute but taunt jet upper is harder to apply in a fight because you’re more vulnerable and I feel like that’s why it looks cooler too bc it’s so risky
There's a shortcut to eletric on keyboard that is "F, neutral, DF + 2", I like to use it as a whiff punish when korean backdashing but when juggling multiple EWGF I prefer the legit method. I think Kazuya maybe better on the keyboard.
Pewgf is way easier than tju. Pewgf is easy to cheese and only uses two directions ▶️ ⬇️ which are right next to each other. Tju uses the opposite side of the directionals. ▶️ ◀️.
I think People like TJU more is because TJU involves more risk. A failed TJU can result in no damage/wasted taunted and in worse cases, you getting ducked and launched. Now, DF2 PEWGF is Cool AF...but you still get great combo damage even if you don't get it.
I am a Bryan main and I agree that PEWGF is more difficult. I can hit TJU about 66% of the time but I’ve only been able to do PEWGF once. P.S. Try Taunt Mach Breaker
Why do people think TJU is harder, well I doubt most people really understand why they are hard. most people only learn that when they're trying to do it themselves. TJU is probably more well known due to it being a launcher off an unblockable taunt, that's just fucking cool.
I disagree with this because of how this question is phrased and how it's answered. In isolation, TJU is undoubtedly harder, there are two points of consideration, animation timing and just frame input, compared to PEWGF's sole just frame requirement which has two input options to TJU's one. There is simply more points where error can occur with TJU. However, PEWGF is harder when applied to any contextual usage such as a block-punish or launch from CH Df2. As the above reasoning for TJU is, instead, applied to the harder PEWGF input thus making PEWGF harder in actual usage. In short, in my opinion, TJU is harder on paper and PEWFG is harder in practice.
5:20 this specific argument is doesn't work. Jet upper isn't a just-frame input so the point that in general doing it is easier that electric doesn't follow. It may be the case that f,n,b is easier than f,n,df but this point about their general difficulty doesn't matter. Imagine the half circle input, it's easier than electric, it's pretty lenient in general right? Now do a half circle after waiting exactly 30 frames and then do it frame perfect. It's gonna be much harder than anything else in the game by a mile. But I agree with all the other points, you've changed my mind. ch df2,pewgf is harder than taunt jet upper. :)
TJU are more common coz taunt setups are more ez to confirm hence it becomes a requirement at highest levels to maintain Uber threat of taunt so bryan players practice it more, as for notation fnb and fndf is pretty close for orthodox motions offset by the fact that taunt hitstun window is pretty far from its input Tju=Harder more consistent PEWGF=Hard less consistent(confirmation window+unsafe) U do any of em u a god
TJU is WAAAAY Harder. Im used to doing PEWGF easier than the regular EWGF, let alone TJU. I havent been able to do a single TJU to this day and I've been lucky enough to play every single TEKKEN game in history
I see nothing but facts here. fb inputs are way easier than f*n df movements. Another easy point he could've made is try to punish a -14 move on any character. Bryan will do it every time. Mishima will drop it often enough to show it's insanely rough. I know perfect electric is 13f but if you can't even consistently punish a -14 move with a normal electric then imagine a perfect electric.
I agree pewgf get dropped more than tju but still think tju is harder idk why. I have done many pewgfs before but like couple of tjus. Its like pewgf only timing problem is the the first frame of electric when u can do the no nuetral version or mist step pewgf consistently. But in tju the u need to cancel the taunt at frame perfect wih f inpt followed by a single nuetral and b+2 input. Thats like 2 just frames for me while performing a 13f electric is not(for me personally) if u can do the f, d, df+2 version its considerablt easier than having 1 frame neutrsl into df+2
Kazuya PEWGF is easy. Just learn to press df2 at the same frame then press f, n before hand and you get an easier electric. The standard EWGF input is actually harder. I play on pad if that means anything. You can check if you mess up a PEWGF by noticing if kazuya side steps because he mist steps after F,N. However df2 into PEWGF is wayyy harder than Taunt Jet Upper.
In practice with dummy maybe yea, execution wise. But in real match, no. Tju definitely harder, coz less chance of u to even try hit it (to go into taunt setup reliably to begin with) unlike PEWGF where u have more chance to try it even in neutral. Thats why more ppl get hyped if knee or jimmy hit TJU, coz real match wise, its way harder to do.
"What's harder PEWGF or TJU?"
Me: _Cries in Arial Jaguar Bomb_
Here's a little trick: the input is fff 2+4 right? So you press the first forward during the previous attack animation and then you press the second forward followed by the third forward AT SAME TIME you do the 2+4 input. Hope you find it usefull
@@LucasHenrique-vu9yj fff 2+4 is the input for running jaguar bomb. Aerial Jaguar bomb is the giant swing input but I'm pretty sure you can still buffer the foward input during the last attack.
@@kikyska4813 yeah you're right, you can buffer the first forward input during the last animation in both aerial and running jaguar bombs
that shit is easy lmao
It's easier now in T7 than in t6
An easier way to show this would be having a Bryan players do perfect electrics and have Kazuya players do tju
That's not a good methodology.
@@wildman7220 someone who doesnt play kaz or bryan should try both
@@denis8906 then they would never get both lol
@@egg6952 no I play mishimas and i can't do pewgf but I can do taunt jet upper, would i hit it in a match probably not. But i can definitely get them to land in practice mode 20% of the time
@@egg6952 :DD maybe with enough practice
Taunt Jet Electric is pretty hard too
Taunt PEWGF would be a COMBOT attack
Jin's
Taunt Jet PEWGSnake edge is harder, although to be fair you do have to use meter for it
What about Taunt Jet Electric Rolling Death Cradle? The timing is pretty tight though.
Actually doable in ttt2
Bryan players will say taunt jet upper is hard and Kazuya players will say PEWGF is harder, Katarina players will say 4444 and Noctis players will say 2222.
😂😂😂
yes ur right 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know it's late to the Tekken 7 party but since T8 is here, at least in this game it's not even close. I never played a Mishima before, tried to do PEWGF and got it like 5 times meanwhile I've been practicing TJU for around 5 hours and didn't get it not even once.
@@Ocean5ix Yeah that’s how it usually goes good luck landing it online unless you’re from korea or japan where the internet is super good you probably will mess up.
I feel like it’s probably harder to learn TJU. And easier to learn DF2 CH PEWGF. But once you get the hang of TJU it becomes easier as it should, but not with PEWGF. That always stays incredibly hard.
Well said. I agree
Seems about right.
What makes TJU harder to learn? It’s basically both the same thing, just with different moves. Jet Upper and EWGF.
If you ask a newcomer to learn TJU and PEWGF, I would say the PEWGF is harder, because you have to learn to do the Electric itself. With TJU you only have to get Jet Upper which is way easier in itself. (Just my opinion, idk anything about TJU so correct me if i’m wrong)
@@mohamedtanakim5901
LONG ANSWER: I’m going to be 100% honest here. I don’t think learning electric is that hard tbh. I’m not a kazuya main or any Mishima main. And when I first started out on the game I could easily do an electric. I think the difficulty is kinda over exaggerated if I’m honest. Yeah maybe you’ll drop an electric a few times but it’s not hard.
The thing that is hard about tju is first of all doing the taunt which is a 3 button input(yes you could buffer/macro this input) as soon as the taunt hits you do a f neutral f b2. The back and 2 needs to be on the same frame. When taunt lands you get +15 or 16 I don’t remember. So you need to be frame perfect with every input. Imagine trying to learn that. Very very hard, but once you get the timing correct it becomes a lot easier.
Now with Pewgf you can do that by itself by practicing over and over again. Once you get pewgf down then try df2 ch and pewgf. Same thing with timing very hard. But you can actually get pewgf after df2 ch but just doing the input incredibly fast. This is very hard of course and quite inconsistent unless you’re incredibly fast all the time.
So what I’m trying to say is if you give a intermediate player to land 1 pewgf out of 100 times. He would most likely get lucky enough to do it. But tju he won’t land any. As you need to learn the timings properly, you can’t get lucky with TJU you have to spend hours in the lab to learn that. But with ch d2 pewgf i believe you will have a better chance landing that as you can just do the input fast that you’ll get it eventually.
I don’t know if this makes any sense or what. But what I’m trying to say is you NEED to master tju to hit it. BUT with ch d2 pewgf i think you can hit it without that much practice. BUT if you want to hit df2 ch pewgf consistently then you would need to lab it for hours. Does this make any sense, I dunno. I feel like I could explain it better with my voice rather than through a message.
SHORT ANSWER:
So tju you have to master to hit it at all. Df2 pewgf you don’t have to master and you might hit it sometimes with luck. Make sense?
@@habibiaboodi Oh so you have to time all the inputs (including neutral) with the 3 frames of leniency. But I thought you‘d have to do that with the PEWGF also because both versions of the PEWGF have 3 inputs.
Note: I‘m a mishima main, and I had a very hard time learning the electric. Even doing a wind godfist was kinda tricky.
And still after 3 years of this game I am dropping it 8/10 times. (on pad)
"What's harder PEWGF or TJU?".....Me dropping Giant Swing :-(
TJU is harder to learn but easier to be consistent at after a while i feel.
Yeah agreed. Pewgf is wayy harder to get consistently conpared to tju. Out of ten times, youre more likely to get tju most of the time
whichever u practise more is easier and u will be more consistent with
@@reubenreid7375 its not that simple imo. if you were to practice both you'd probably still have an easier time doing tjus in matches.
@@MFUnicornBey I have practised tju a fair bit and have done it a handful of times in games pewgf on other hand I have practised a lot and done uncountable amount of times in games that’s jst my analysis I thought it made sense that whatever u practise more you are better with.
I feel like the principle of the moves are relatively the same. Being: ‘You have 1 frame to get this input perfectly’.
And it’s easier to mess up PEWGF than Jet Upper in that one frame you have. At least, for me.
I just remembered when tmm did 10 pewgf in a row.
and he has never hit a TJU in his life.
@@DaggerPrince Are you sure about that. I don't think you are correct although I could be wrong.
@@DaggerPrince Because he never train for it.
@@ChristopherWaddelow I think he only landed it in practice mode and some sub battles, he can only do taunt snake edge
@@jm4796 Okay, good to know he has hit it.
For the record, technical guides on these two techniques would be amazing. (I remember that eons ago you did a guide on EWGF, but an update that incorporates your now Gandalf-level wisdom would be super cool.)
I think it all comes down to practice and building your muscle memory. Don't think there are any tricks, you just need to be fast and precise.
@@porcudini6979 facts bro. The EWGF has no shortcuts. All practice
@@curlykingjt7145 yep, I don't see the point of making a video tutorial for electric or taunt jet upper
@@porcudini6979 literally like 100 electric tutorials on UA-cam already 😂
@@curlykingjt7145 true, and all those tutorials say is basically: "Get the just frame"
But the funny thing is for me personally: I've done a couple of pewgfs in my life but never a taunt jet upper..
I understand TMMs point with electrics being harder and normal electrics are definitely more difficult than jet upper, but I still think the taunt is harder
Same here
@@keinonodom284 mainman cant even do the TJU. hes just boosting his ego rn to make up for the fact that he cant do it. taunt is way harder than baby input pewgf.
@@DaggerPrince he can do TJU. He did it on one of his videos about Bryan.
@@DaggerPrince Are you feeling okay? Tju is way more consistent than pewgf, you always see failed pewgf but tju is easy to do once you learn it.
Electric Taunt jet Wind God Upper Fist is the move i try to master at the moment, i find taunt jet upper and PEWGF too basic
Personally I find Taunt Jet Upper to be harder.
its much harder
@@JPROP-vb7sv no it is not 💀💀💀💀
@@roamalot3000 I went into practice mode before posting this comment. I hit every other electric I attempted, and im not a Mishima player. I spent 45min. trying taunt jet upper and only got it twice. Just my opinion.
taunt requires a cancel and a frame perfect input. Electirics only require a just frame.
@@JPROP-vb7sv There is a difference between a frame perfect electric punish and a regular electric, sir.
@@StrictlyParanoia No shit. Wow omg.this is news to me. STFU
In practice mode your opponent isn't moving. The thing about TJU or any taunt follow-up is that the fight is still going while you are trying to use it, whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input. There is no chance for your opponent to interrupt you. Meanwhile, to apply a TJU you need to be moving in order to track and corner your opponent. All of that extra movement input on top of the already frame perfect move makes it harder to pull off, and this becomes evident once you realize even top Bryan players still drop the easier follow-ups rather frequently.
Yep in real match, TJU is way harder, thats why even jimmy and knee drop it pretty often.
And only few time u can go into good taunt setup each round compared to PEWGF where u can try to do it even in neutral.
"whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input."
You literally have zero frames to prepare for the input after df2 connects on counter hit. Full launch frames on the opponent are exactly i13. And PEWGF is 13 frames.
@@mazymetric8267 he never said anything about df2… you’re literally imputing f, neutral, df+2 anytime whereas tju you have to wait for the right time to input ju even tho the game already has delay frames. You don’t see knee or jimmy getting tju every single time like kaz mains doing pewgfs.
@@DeezNutzzzzzzzzzzz What I meant was when CH df2 connects, you only have exactly 13 frames to input the electric and electric input is a lot harder than jet upper input. They are both just frames but imo PEWGF is more complex.
I have seen Kazuya players like Boa Choksae drop PEWGF so many times. Knee doesn't drop tju that much. Watch the ft10 between him and Jimmy. He was hitting tju 90% of the time.
@@DeezNutzzzzzzzzzzz "he never said anything about df2"
?? It is common knowledge among Tekken players that CH df2 into a full launch with electric constitutes as PEWGF.
I never hit a taunt jet upper in my life while i already hit a perfect electric sooo
I've done TJU in 1 hour, i've done DF2 pewgf 1 time in 1 year in half LUL
a perfect electric is easy, but we talking about df2 perfect electric
@@runayswarts970 cap, punishing a hopkick with pewgf is harddddd not df2 pewgf hard but hard
@@jackyv626 which moves are hard to punish with is a different topic, but yeah not sure if electric can be buffered when block punishing so that might be why
I learned the perfect electric before regular electrics. I have never landed a tju
To preface this comment, I play both Kaz,Bryan and plenty of other characters. I have about 3600~ hours in tekken, about 12k games played on Bryan and around 10k on Kaz.
I can do both TJU and PEWGF relatively consistently online. In the context of DF2 PEWGF vs TJU, I hit the former more than the latter,even though I practice TJU a lot more. I''d say about 70-% PEWGF success rate vs 50~60% for TJU
The main factors that contribute to that I feel are the fact that during DF2 PEWGF,or any pewgf out of recovery, has a tiny bit of leniency due to the fact that I consistently have 1-3f of F input before recovering and then inputting the rest of the command(checked with tekkenbotprime in case you're wondering).
While this does NOT give you actual leniency with the input,it does help with the fact that inputting a single direction for only a single frame before moving on to neutral and then to the rest of the command is hard,much harder than people think to do consistently. Especially without abusing your lever,in case you play stick like I do.
To add to that,in the context of DF2 PEWGF, if you happen to get either d2,wgf or a normal ewgf,you are still able to convert off of it very easily, as long as you don't accidentally get a df2.
And while yes,DF2 is -12,that move is generally worth to throw out once in a while,especially in matchups where i12 punishment doesn't hurt too much.
Now on to JU. You are correct with the fact you can buffer it for block punishment, and as long as it doesn't come to moves with some pushback,that makes it vastly superior as a punisher to EWGF. As someone who can blockpunish -14 moves on very familiar matchups semi reliably with PEWGF(to give myself more room for error),I'll still say JU is an overall better punisher.
And to add to that,it is virtually undroppable as long as you're not talking about moves with little to no blockstun. Those are generally hard to punish,no matter what you're using.
The first thing I'll mention with TJU is that I find it a LOT harder to set up. Everyone with half a brain will do their best not to tech into that and actual TRUE taunt setups are far and few between outside of wall. And in those cases next to the wall,you will want to default to the much much easier taunt B4 anyways.
I'll guarantee you,most ways people set up taunt you can backdash out of easily. In case you want to try,make sure to set second action to backdash in practice mode when looking for setups. As far as I am aware, there are only a handful of ways to set it up on open ground if they tech and those are well known, out of combos there are three,with only one being consistent and one more out of BT/off axis situations.
Second thing,backroll kills those stone dead,even if they do expose their back to qcb4/f41 from FDFT and FUFA positions. If you don't react to those quickly,they might even have time to poke you out of taunt or at least check you and now your momentum is gone.
Now, once you've finally gotten a consistent way to set up taunt,you are somewhat confident in the fact you dashed the exact distance you need before double taunting and seeing them tech, NOW it comes to actually doing the command:
Doing 1f per input is tricky, not as tricky as PEWGF but it still is. While I still played pad I found it borderline impossible to actually have 1f for that F input,sliding to back and having 1f of neutral without hitting u/d in the process. On stick that has gotten much easier,but it's still something that you will drop from time to time. The next hurdle for people who started practicing taunt is the fact that now after spending so much time hitting direction+button on the same frame taunt impacts,you now have to separate that completely,inputting said button 2f after impact,which can be quite a problem when it comes to muscle memory. It'll even mess me up from time to time,either being able to only TJU or only taunt B4 on some days.
Now that you've crossed the hurdle of actually inputting an instant JU is this:
What happens if you drop it? You get nothing,absolutely nothing. 2jab on hit,b2 on block,most of the time you'll both be confused enough for nothing much to happen. But still,that's the key difference in between pewgf and TJU,if you mess up PEWGF,at best you still convert for 70~dmg without wall, 40something for a second df2.
In case of dropped TJU,at best 10dmg from the 2jab or nothing at all.
While both moves are difficult to execute,I feel that they require a very different kind of execution and are not directly comparable in terms of use in open play. In more abstract terms,they're still both 2f/3f sequences done at a specific timing,executed 1f per input with no leeway overall. Make of that what you will.
Thanks to anyone who could force themselves to read this mess xD
Very interesting read, If you stream I'd watch you for sure, those are my favorite characters
@@ericmotta1 hey,thanks for the suggestion. And I'm glad to hear you thought it was an interesting read. Considered streaming for a while and could never really get myself to take the plunge and get started with it. I'll think about it.
I'm a bit washed up exec wise nowadays, but if you need anything explained or demonstrated I'd gladly do that.
Definitely taunt jet upper, I have done pewgf before, not online or in matches but I can do it. Taunt jet upper is a double just frame
TJU isn't even that hard, not even trying to sound annoying.
@9192631770 H I just don't think it is, in my opinion. Its hard, but I just think its a tad bit overhyped.
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@@roamalot3000 I want to see you do five tjus and see how long it takes
@@deerlow1851 lmao, I'll try and record a video for UA-cam today and show you that i'm not bs'ing.
I think the illusion here stems from the fact that it's easier to get a lucky PEWGF sometimes than a lucky TJU. So you'll have people who have never land a TJU in their life, but they've landed one PEWGF after 6 hours of practice mode, and boom, the latter feels easier.
In my opinion, TJU is the hardest thing in the game. You can land PEWGF often but it's insanely hard to perform a Taunt Jet Uppercut.
TJU is far from being the hardest. Taunt~machbreaker is.
I think that they drop electrics more because a kazuya player does 15-20 electrics a round. Brian players do 1-2 jet uppers a round. Obviously if you're using a move 10x more it's gonna drop more. Even the best players can drop simple combos if doing it 20 times in a row.
True, thats one reason too. Knee and jimmy prob can hit it reliably in practice, but in real match? Lol, they drop it pretty often.
I see Knee and JimmyJ drop TJUs way more often.
Yep. Well in real match vs practice. Tju way harder to hit in real match, plus u prob only have very few chances to actually go into taunt setup each round. While u can try to hit PEWGF even in neutral.
Multi never drops it
Taunt into ff 2 (machbreaker) is the hardest one though as far as i know.
The hardest technique and the most useless at the same.
@@madln5070 Name the hardest is FF2 into OTGF into real combo
@@yoch5383 not even close lol
@@yoch5383 Taunt ff2 is way more harder.
@@madln5070 shame, should be easier
But have you ever tried wavedashing on king tho?
And it's arguably the hardest thing to do in Tekken 7. King is no slouch when it comes to execution.
while this is hard to do any Kaz player who does Ver 2 of PEWGF can do this.
King wave dash is useless unlike TJU and PEWGF
@@TekRavenger it most def isnt. you can get alot out of it
king wave dash have nasty setup
1. chains throw mix-up with high damage about 80 ~ 120, you sure wanna duck that
2. homing mid,mid that ballerina stun on hit with huge frame advantage on hit making sure you never side step
3. mid launcher that is only -10 on block forcing you not to duck
it's hard for a reason
I'd say tju is harder, because besides from the justfame input, you also have to figure out the timing of taunt. While you can also pewgf-punish ....a -16 moves as an example. Not trying to downplay pewgf tho. Trying to pewgf a -13frame move is probably more difficult. He is exaggerating the consistence of people and their tju by far tho lmao
Pewgf is only after ch df2 or ws2
@@xXSH1N0B1Xx ws2 doesn't work, only ch df2 and b1+2
@@xXSH1N0B1Xx Ah okay, got confused because tmm was talking about blockstun pewgf. Thanks for making it clear.
But you have to time the Pewgf also, the frame he recovers
@cbzg6666 true. at the end of the day, both requires execution, need to hit some conditions before being done, and 1-2 more things. There's no 100% consistency with either. I'd still stick with tju because of a few factors, like, nothing will happen to you if you don't hit a pewgf but get a ewgf instead or drop a combo etc. anyway, that's not the point after all, cheers
I've been watching CrazyDongPal since tekken crash back in the day, I've never heard of a pewgf. But I learn something new every day.
Everyone will say what their main does is harder but just putting yourself in the position to hit the tju is already hard despite the hard input
You couldn’t have said this any better. You can just throw out electrics man lol
@@rashadvsyou well youd have to throw df2s but yea
yeah but wall tech leaves people open for taunt. But at wall I think tju wouldnt be the best
Well there are a couple of good setups for applying the taunt
Tmms explaining why the character he plays is the best because its the worst because is the hardest, the usual exercise in self pleasure. Meanwhile every red rank player can ewfg and almost anyone is blue ranks cant taunt jet upper.
I think a lot of people say TJU is harder because they have experience with Mishimas and have already practiced the electric a lot, so PEWGF just comes more naturally to them. I can do DF2 PEWGF but can't do TJU, that's because I haven't put in the practice. Yeah initially TJU might feel harder but as TMM says, when you really got both techniques down, objectively PEWGF is harder.
PEWGF is also harder because you don't have as much of a visual tell for when to start the input. For TJU you can follow Bryan's knee and can better practice timing with the hit effect and sound, for PEWGF you have to vaguely time it to when Kazuya's arm is at some arbitrary place.
After ch df2 when the opponents knee hits the ground thats the frame you input a pewgf
@@drkcrstl You input it right when the knee is about the hit the ground, if you do want to do it exactly when the knee hits the ground, your chance of getting it will be smaller
Listen... if you faceroll controller, you will get perfect electric before you get TJU
Also, for the sole reason that if that if you do a Bryan Taunt you just need to have the execution in hand since its and unblockable move. Being that said, you have the few seconds of the taunt startup to prepare your hand/fingers for the inputs. Meanwhile, for df+2 PEWGF you need to add the reaction time and, in the heat of the battle, that adds more prob to mess it up. Regardless of the muscle memory from practice, TJU is easier for that sole reason too.
I mean, I trust you, but I pulled out some nice pewgf in practice mode when I was maining Kazuya. Never been able to do tju though.
I don't play Mishimas or Bryan but for me its the same. PEWGF is quite "easy" to land (in p-mode in a few minutes) while TJU I haven't managed to pull off.
@@pablotheimmortal6440 same, im a yoshi main (orange ranks), and i have 0 hours on kazuya or bryan, but i was able to do pewgf like 30% of the time, like the first minutes of practicing, and wasn't even able to perform taunt jet upper once in 30 mins
@@ChrisGrin There's no way you weren't able to pull off TJU at least once in practice mode. Timing on TJU is way easier compared to PEWGF. You either don't really know how to do it or you're being bad on purpose.
@@Lbdataz1469I’ve been playing Bryan for a minute now and haven’t hit one TJU but before Bryan I tried Kazuhiro and i hit perfect electric about 30% too
@@Lbdataz1469 i think its probably because of yoshi's sword horizontal slash move, cuz it has the same inputs as pewgf, and i tend to use it a lot and rly fast, so i guess i have an advantage
I actually did both of them a couple of times yesterday here is the deal:
First jet upper actually takes the cake for the weird input:
1:most of the game's "press simultaneously" just frames are actually down+forward into something, like otgf, jfsr, electrics, etc.
2:Its also the matter of actually doing it, getting forward to back takes longer, and while you have exactly one frame to do it it matters.
3: add the fact thay the awkward tuant input has to be done three times in quick succession before inputing jet upper or else it won't track.
But the most important reason is the forward input. Taunt has no recovery frames. So if you do a forward input 2 frame too early and hold it for two frames it breaks tju, tuant won't land. it doesn't do it with pewgf. Forward input after that is the only just frame in the game that can not be hold too early or for too long.
I have a friend who literally just a random who I have never seen drop the taunt jet upper before.
I agree that PEWGF is way harder.
TJU is harder because you get like 4-5 frames of buffer at the start of it on the f input of PEWGF. Only the d,d/f have to be frame perfect after that and if you're fast that happens naturally. PEWGF might be harder to time and technically a harder set of inputs... but frame wise the TJU has 3 frame perfect inputs while the PEWGF only has 2.
Imo not only is TJU harder, because of the technical inputs, but also because it is way harder to apply in a real match ^^
It's also kinda weird hearing TMM say something like "TJU is not dropped as often -> PEWGF harder", considering TJU's are labbed way more I feel like
Do you mean taunt with the technical input ?
My grandma can do pewgf with one hand
A god among mishima players lol
Perfect electric is much easier here's my evidence I can pewgf mildly consistently I have never gotten a single taunt jet upper and I'm a Bryan main also his evidence is really bad because kazuyas do ewgf constantly like atleast 5x more then Bryan's do taunt jet upper
What? Wheres the logic in that. If we go by your logic lets say im a devil jin main, and i also play heihachi. I cant dash into 2 after screw but can do omen. Does that mean dash 2 is harder?? No
@@Lockeabout I'm not being entirely serious dude
@@Lockeabout but seriously if you want my actual reasons forward back is actually incredibly unatural on stick plus cancelling taunt on the first frame is significantly harder then just doing an ewgf input perfectly it may be harder to do in a punish situation but just in nuetral pewgf is way way easier
@@kawaiiempoleon8721 If you weren’t being serious then what was the point of your original comment
@@SolusFather no clue lmao
I feel like TJU is harder to do at first when learning it but way easier to get it consistent
learning TJU takes more time than Pewgf, but when i learned how to do TJU , it seems easier than Pewgf. maybe im used to TJU same to kazuya players.
I'm a mishimas player since 1 year and half, have to try 100 or 200 times before getting PEWGF, I try to learn like 2 days ago TJU, i got it in 1 hour
And btw FF2 into OTGF into real combo is way harder than both
Never seen anyone accidentally do a TJU. Idk, TJU seems far more conscious, where as the PEWGF may be a tighter scenario, you can take your chances with speed and be rewarded with it even if you're being mindless, but good luck fluking a TJU in a match.
that doesn't make PEWGF easier to do, it just makes it less risky. That is a better argument for value of the tech rather than difficulty of them.
I get what you're saying, and it's a good point. In theory, if you have fast reactions and clean execution, you could pull off a fluke PEWGF if you throw out DF2 a lot and react to the CH stun.
In theory..
But,the chances of actually pulling it off are low if you don't lab the timing into muscle memory. And the chances of hitting it by accident are lower still. DF2 is also punishable, so throwing it out recklessly isn't the best idea anyway, especially if the reward is that you MIGHT fluke a PEWGF.
TJU is pretty much the same difficulty in terms of execution. But it's more viable in it's utility. Taunt doesn't require a CH. It's unblockable. It's basically free if they can't react, or you set it up off their tech roll.
@@NzDyNamX_God You've totally got it the other way around pal. Just copy pasted as another comment explained it perfectly.
In practice mode your opponent isn't moving. The thing about TJU or any taunt follow-up is that the fight is still going while you are trying to use it, whereas with Kazuya you have a huge shitload of time and a massive sound cue(df2) to process what is going on and mentally prepare for the input. There is no chance for your opponent to interrupt you. Meanwhile, to apply a TJU you need to be moving in order to track and corner your opponent. All of that extra movement input on top of the already frame perfect move makes it harder to pull off, and this becomes evident once you realize even top Bryan players still drop the easier follow-ups rather frequently.
Also his consistency rate is just pure BS. Rarely do I see even knee/jimmy/bilal being consistent with TJU.
Setting up a taunt jet upper is easier but I definitely think the input is harder. I can land CH df2 -> pewgf slightly more often in practice doing them both back to back over the course of several hours. The reason TJU is harder in my opinion is because once the df2 is thrown out that's it. You don't need to watch or think or time. You will get the counter hit animation and sound to show when you're ready for the pewgf. Then a few frames while you are both recovering to react and put in the perfect electric. The taunt knee you need to input the taunt jet upper the exact moment the knee connects. There's no recovery frames after you see the taunt connect to then input the jet upper. The entire thing from the beginning to end is active. There's no pause when the taunt connects.
I think TJU is easier than Pewgf because you never need to “reactively” perform a TJU, therefore by practicing and memorising the timing of TJU makes it very doable.
But PEWGF are required mostly base on reaction. Oh shoot block a -13 move? Let me immediately PEWGF. Counter hit df2? Immediately perform PEWGF. Secondly the input, of PEWGF is harder than TJU for sure
The fact this video genuinely made me go "ah bullshit!"
The thing with TJU, you wouldn't know if you literally landed it because the opponent can press when they are hit with the taunt so it's not like you landed it most of the time when the jet hit
While I understand your point, i've seen plenty of green ranks pull off PEWGFs like it's nothing. Never have I got hit by a taunt jet upper.
The lowest rank I saw it in a match was byakko
the virgin kaz main vs the CHAD cyborg enjoyer
The title is a bit misleading. Some people are saying that pewgf is easier than a taunt jet upper. And that is true, but thats because you are forgetting the blockstun or recovery after hitting d/f+2 on counter hit. For the sound of it, people in the comments are talking about pewgf just in neutral, not in those situations. I think thats why people feel that pewgf is easier
Exactly. Some people are saying that after practicing for less than 1 hour, they can do PEWGF with a 30% success rate lol. They clearly don't realize they need to get a full launch with the PEWGF immediately after stunning the opponent with a CH d/f+2.
Honestly ive been playing tekken for a pretty long time and i only landed a TJU once...never a PEWGF...so i would say a PEWGF is harder because of the nearly impossible just frame execution...
I'm a brawler Kazuya and I've landed a DF2 PEWGF.. I didn't even know how to complete the combo afterwards 😎
same here
I actually think df2 pewgf should be easier than tju for any non mishima/bryan main, because you are more likely to get it by accident, but to block punish with pewgf you need to lab where exactly does the block stun end, which is different for any given -13 move thus making block punishing with pewgf harder than tju
How do you get that on accident? There’s a specific Input to do a pewgf.
PEWGF is harder. Taunt is an unblockable. It's free if they can't react to it. PEWGF requires a CH DF2. Some days, just getting a CH DF2 with Kazuya is harder than TJU. Letting alone reacting to the CH stun, THEN executing a frame perfect i13 EWGF.
Lol getting a 14f ch mid launcher is hard with kaz hahaha good one
i have landed pewgf df2 ch about 10 times, i can do taunt b4 consistently, but i lose it in the jet upper, have no idea what it is. I definitely have a 14fr jet upper, but maybe i get additional inputs which ruin my timing, have no way to quanitfy it unlike pewgf.
"f on the frame it hits, one frame of neutral, b and 2 the same frame" Jimmy J to Aris when he was trying and that helped him. I haven't tried doing tju however I've tried and never landed pewgf df2 ch. But what Jimmy said seems to be the "trick" to get into doing tju.
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Perfect Taunt Electric Jet Wind Upper God Fist is technically the hardest move to pull off. No-one has managed it yet.
I'm 3 years late but as I main both, all I can say is that I've done multiple perfect electrics throughout the time I've played Kazuya but I've only done a total of 5 TJUs in Tekken 7. Now in Tekken 8, I've consistently (though not 100%) done Perfect Electrics but I haven't done a single TJU.
Tju is harder form a Practical standpoint because it easy as hell to just throw out. D/f 2 and get a counter hit vs trying to taunt someone in the neutral or even at the wall its only a mix up takes way more skill for the frist half of the equation. Kazuya mains always back pedal from this fact.
Depends on the person
They're both very hard pewgf is just not consistent (from ch df2 or a 13f punish to be clear)
Bryan TJU is hard but it's a matter of time that your muscle memory grasps the timing, also the same thing is with Kazuya it also gets better by practice but TJU is easy to land and here i am not talking about the input although the time and input are pretty strict and have to be accurate but the conditioning and the placing of taunt is somewhat more easy and here I am not exaggerating, But for the PEWGF, you have to make your opponent hit you because of the df+2 counter hit which can be quite risky sometimes and the follow-up PEWGF is then also have to be frame perfect and with the two variations of PEWGF, either you have to to much accurate or move your hand/fingers at godspeed to get the PEWGF after CH df+2 meanwhile Bryan ha somewhat an easy input and better placing situation of TJU.
So personally in my opinion I would say that PEWGF is harder because you risk of getting counter hit by faster moves and it's of no use (other than punishing -13 moves which requires godlike execution) without counter hit df+2 where as Bryan taunt is an unblockable and can also be used some times to bait while pressuring with it and follow-up jet upper input is not that hard if you practice.
So In my opinion I'd say that PEWGF is harder
I love how TMM just casually debunks people's points respectfully. lol
Although, I'm a beginner I agree with TMM's opinion about it. I've nailed PEWGF in practise mode and never hit TJU but yeah, although I main Bryan, I still think PEWGF is harder.
i’ll say one thing. i’ve hit multiple pewgfs in my life, and as a brian main, i’ve hit it once in 6 years of playing
Oh damn. I recently picked Bryan and have no idea it was that hard.
But years ago I learned how to do a pewgf in 30 mins …..ijs…tju is a whole different story…it’s literally the number one hardest move in the game
HitBox problem solved lol
It really just depends on the person. I've personally hit more TJU's than PEWGF's tho so to me TJU is a lil bit easier.
I agree 100% I think it differs person to person on which input is more comfortable
after you get a hand of pewgf, its easier to pull consistantly over tju. Tju is hard to consistantly get over even normal ewgf
Video starting with KOF music? Gotta like the video now
Its weird, because I see TMM drop TJU all the time when he plays Bryan, but he does pewgf a hell of a lot. He mentions how Bryan players can go into practice mode and do random jet uppers more frequently than Kaz players can do electrics, but us Bryan players are just doing naked jet uppers, we’re not doing PERFECT FRAME JUST FRAME jet uppers, but an electric is a perfect frame input. If jet upper required a perfect frame input to do, it would ONLY be executed as block punishing or from a taunt, that’s how hard it is to perfectly just frame input a jet upper. I honestly don’t know which one is harder, I just thought I’d point out how TMM’s logic is extremely contradictory.
I think taunt jet upper might be harder on pad or certain controllers because you have to have neutral in the input. Some controllers might not just recover to neutral fast enough (within 16ms) to be able to perform it. I also think a polling rate or something of the controller might affect it as well. Ive been trying to do this on hori octa, but it seems like i can do f,d,df wihtout neutral 1 frame each atleast once but i never hit the taunt jet upper because the first input is always like 3f because of the neutral issue or thats how i feel. would like some feedback on this that do i just suck or have broken controller or is it just impossible on pad.
Ok this is a bad argument.The reason is the argument unrightfully claims the difficulty with consistency.Taunt jet upper is easier to master but harder to execute while chdf2 pewgf is easier to learn harder to master.The problem tmm ignores is the actual application of the move.Taunt jet upper is a reaction based option select wall combo.The taunt itself in this application is button bufferable meaning 1,3,4 inputs 2 of them can be buffered for %100 consistent taunt and the timing never changes in cancel.This is easy to master but harder to learn than learning ch df2 pewgf due to the nature of ch.You actually never know when a ch is going to hit so you mentally need to be ready in actual matches.This drops the consistency.When it comes to practice mode the taunt input itself due to its difficulty to input in the open is harder to do than just df2.So when trying to learn just taunt beginners already have a problem.Last thing is tips and tricks.The mentioned wall taunt game has secret tricks like triple taunts which a new player most certainly won't know about unless they find very fringe resources on the case so even if they are able to do taunt jet upper in the open translating that skill to wall game is something else while doing bryans oki wall combos which except for just db1+2 are hard.You need either proximity to do uf3 or you need to learn b3 cancel on top of taunt.These all add layers.For chdf2 pewgf you only need to learn pewgf and make it fast and learn the timing for f input right when stun is over.This is much easier to comprehend and do few times but harder to master because of the chdf2 stun changing in game.
Also as a person who studied both i can definitely say doing your first taunt jet upper requires much more work and hahastep of lei is harder to master than both if we are looking at mastering a skill as difficulty only 1 lei player akon of ivory coast mastered it.
I think this one is subjective, electric is a trickier input than JU but TJU is harder than PEWGF, reason being with PEWGF, it can be easier depending what arcade stick or hitbox you're using. No matter what you're using TJU won't be easier to do. Also taunt ff2 is harder than both of them
PEWGF is harder. But TJU needs set up and a read that the opponent will not hit a button. Thats why it looks like its harder than PEWGF
PEWGF is harder, no brainer. TMMSWE you explained it well.
Yoshi's variant aka his "mimicry" move is also pretty satisfying to pull off especially against Bryan players :))
PEWGF took me 3 years worth of multiple hour sessions to get. TJU took me one 3 hour session.
As a Bryan guy, in practise mode, taunt jet upper on player 1 side is easier for me to do, much easier. PEWGF is just hard as heck, I'm thinking because of the visual cues needed to perform the move, more so than TJU. TJU is forward back plus 2, while PEWGF requires a perfect electric which a lot of people can't even do.
I look when the right hand of kazuya return back (recovers) and it works better the others visuals cues.
Taunt jet upper is harder because we all aren’t you or Knee
The thing is that it’s pretty common to get a df2 counter hit while the Bryan player has to set it up in oki the Kazuya will have way more chances to get the df2 pewgf than the Bryan. It’s about the same to be honest to get both in matches.
I think instances of PEWGF in tournaments are more hype inducing but Taunt Jet Upper has way more swag and is therefore easier to remember.
I think u got itmthe other way around, ive seen lot ppl hyped when jimmy / knee did TJU, compared to some other kazuya did PEWGF.
Wouldn't call it the other way around all I'm saying is that TJU is more visually striking therefor more memorable.
And then we have Steve's counter df+2 combo
Lmao this shit is nowhere near as hard as either of them. 90% of Lee's CH confirms are harder
@@xLimitlesso Nowhere near? It's easily just as hard as them. Even the best Steve players drop it from time to time, on their GOOD days. Just watch some footage of Heera Malik when he's in shape. Just watch his streams or look up some YT videos of his tournaments etc. and see that even he drops it here and there. I'm not even a Bryan or Kazuya player and I've done df2 into PEWGF and TJU a decent amount of times in my life. Nowhere near consistent obviously, but I also barely play them so it's no surprise. The Steve combo on the other hand I've only managed to pull off ONCE in my life, and it was in practice mode. And I am a Steve main...
There's not a single Steve player in the world that can hit it 100%, reliably. They WILL drop it every now and then. I'm not saying the Steve combo is harder than those 2 other moves, but it's easily just as hard. Saying it's "nowhere near" in terms of difficulty is just plain wrong. Just ask any Steve pro players.
@@disruptor6550 yes it's nowhere near. I'm a Steve player who can get the combo 95% of the time. Yes the combo is hard. But it's a staple. Pewgf and tju is way harder
@@kushan_tk Well, then upload a video where you do it at least 9 out of 10 times, without cuts. I've been following professional Steve players a long time, and it's VERY rare that any of them hit it around 95%. Sure, I can't say I've watched much footage of those players in practice mode (where they'd probably hit those 95%), but even in the warm-up stage I've seen them miss it many times, where there's no pressure. I'm not saying it's impossible, and I know there's a ton of Steve players that can pull it off (and some even pretty consistently), but based on my personal experience and following the pro scene, I've never seen anyone be close to 100%, except for maybe Heera on a good day. I stand by my opinion in saying that it's equally as hard as the other moves, or at the very least very close to them. Saying it's "nowhere near" is just unfair. If not even the top 10 best Steve players in the world can pull it off 95% of the time, what makes you think I'll believe some random guy on the internet claiming he can do it? And even IF you happen to do it 95% of the time, that can't by any means be applied to the rest of the Tekken community. As I said, I've followed the pro scene long enough to know how often they drop this combo. And this isn't even an opinion, it's a fact. If I've watched those streams and videos and saw it with my own eyes, there's not much you can say or do to "change" my mind. So unless you magically find footage of like 50-100 different Steve players all hitting it 95 out of 100 times, then anything else you will say is moot.
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The first few tries were warm up because I haven't played steve in a while as I'm learning feng at the moment. But I can get it 10 times in a row. I understand what you're saying. There's no doubt that the shiro combo is one the hardest combos in the game. However there is a lot of leniency in getting the pick up. You don't get any form of leniency in TJU and PEWGF because they are just frames. The timing has to be frame perfect. I get the combo more often when I'm playing matches for some reason.
I main steve and kazuya btw.
"Ive never landed TJU but ive done df2 pewgf. Therefore TJU is harder."
Delusional
I have never pulled of a taunt jet upper in my life. I could he perfect electrics. Hell I did them by mistake.
is it PEWGF combo or is it just PEWGF on its own? cause if its just the PEWGF, taunt jet upper is harder, but if its the PEWGF combo, I agree with mainman.
Naps, bilal and even knee drop tju frequently.
But when knee is waiting for his next opponent while in practice mode w/ kazuya, he does pewgf consistently after the df2 counter hit..
Pretty sure tju is wayy harder lmao
I think pewgf is harder to execute but taunt jet upper is harder to apply in a fight because you’re more vulnerable and I feel like that’s why it looks cooler too bc it’s so risky
There's a shortcut to eletric on keyboard that is "F, neutral, DF + 2", I like to use it as a whiff punish when korean backdashing but when juggling multiple EWGF I prefer the legit method. I think Kazuya maybe better on the keyboard.
Have you ever seen Yoshi doing own TAUNT jet upper ?
Pewgf is way easier than tju. Pewgf is easy to cheese and only uses two directions ▶️ ⬇️ which are right next to each other. Tju uses the opposite side of the directionals. ▶️ ◀️.
I think People like TJU more is because TJU involves more risk. A failed TJU can result in no damage/wasted taunted and in worse cases, you getting ducked and launched. Now, DF2 PEWGF is Cool AF...but you still get great combo damage even if you don't get it.
d/f+2 into pewgf is really hard to land properly.
I am a Bryan main and I agree that PEWGF is more difficult. I can hit TJU about 66% of the time but I’ve only been able to do PEWGF once.
P.S. Try Taunt Mach Breaker
I found taunt mach breaker easier then TJU and im Mishima user
Ever tried jabbing hardest thing ever
Why do people think TJU is harder, well I doubt most people really understand why they are hard. most people only learn that when they're trying to do it themselves.
TJU is probably more well known due to it being a launcher off an unblockable taunt, that's just fucking cool.
I disagree with this because of how this question is phrased and how it's answered. In isolation, TJU is undoubtedly harder, there are two points of consideration, animation timing and just frame input, compared to PEWGF's sole just frame requirement which has two input options to TJU's one. There is simply more points where error can occur with TJU.
However, PEWGF is harder when applied to any contextual usage such as a block-punish or launch from CH Df2. As the above reasoning for TJU is, instead, applied to the harder PEWGF input thus making PEWGF harder in actual usage.
In short, in my opinion, TJU is harder on paper and PEWFG is harder in practice.
5:20 this specific argument is doesn't work. Jet upper isn't a just-frame input so the point that in general doing it is easier that electric doesn't follow. It may be the case that f,n,b is easier than f,n,df but this point about their general difficulty doesn't matter. Imagine the half circle input, it's easier than electric, it's pretty lenient in general right? Now do a half circle after waiting exactly 30 frames and then do it frame perfect. It's gonna be much harder than anything else in the game by a mile.
But I agree with all the other points, you've changed my mind. ch df2,pewgf is harder than taunt jet upper. :)
TJU are more common coz taunt setups are more ez to confirm hence it becomes a requirement at highest levels to maintain Uber threat of taunt so bryan players practice it more, as for notation fnb and fndf is pretty close for orthodox motions offset by the fact that taunt hitstun window is pretty far from its input
Tju=Harder more consistent
PEWGF=Hard less consistent(confirmation window+unsafe)
U do any of em u a god
TJU is WAAAAY Harder.
Im used to doing PEWGF easier than the regular EWGF, let alone TJU.
I havent been able to do a single TJU to this day and I've been lucky enough to play every single TEKKEN game in history
its very hard for pro players to do PEWGF
MMSWE: proceeds to do every time in a rank xd
nope he generally dont hit it all the time if you watches him....
I like the chizuru theme in the background
I see nothing but facts here. fb inputs are way easier than f*n df movements. Another easy point he could've made is try to punish a -14 move on any character. Bryan will do it every time. Mishima will drop it often enough to show it's insanely rough. I know perfect electric is 13f but if you can't even consistently punish a -14 move with a normal electric then imagine a perfect electric.
I agree pewgf get dropped more than tju but still think tju is harder idk why. I have done many pewgfs before but like couple of tjus.
Its like pewgf only timing problem is the the first frame of electric when u can do the no nuetral version or mist step pewgf consistently.
But in tju the u need to cancel the taunt at frame perfect wih f inpt followed by a single nuetral and b+2 input. Thats like 2 just frames for me while performing a 13f electric is not(for me personally) if u can do the f, d, df+2 version its considerablt easier than having 1 frame neutrsl into df+2
Kazuya PEWGF is easy. Just learn to press df2 at the same frame then press f, n before hand and you get an easier electric. The standard EWGF input is actually harder. I play on pad if that means anything. You can check if you mess up a PEWGF by noticing if kazuya side steps because he mist steps after F,N. However df2 into PEWGF is wayyy harder than Taunt Jet Upper.
In practice with dummy maybe yea, execution wise. But in real match, no. Tju definitely harder, coz less chance of u to even try hit it (to go into taunt setup reliably to begin with) unlike PEWGF where u have more chance to try it even in neutral.
Thats why more ppl get hyped if knee or jimmy hit TJU, coz real match wise, its way harder to do.