At around 20:08 McLuhan is talking about how TV wrapped itself around the movie medium, and then movies became an art-form, whereas before TV, they were considered trash. Then he says, " What will wrap itself around TV so that TV will become an art form " ? The answer, as we now know, was the internet. You Tube is full of old TV shows. This is quite astonishingly prophetic.
Yes! Have you noticed that the individuals who post on UA-cam are almost always "characters," always "performers," rarely their everyday self that must live in real time and "in person" with others. Like the "apartment" of Ralph and Alice Cramden, the sets of UA-cam performers never change. The UA-cam posts thrive on segments, repetition, stock gestures . . . rituals, if you will. Viewers are familiar with these "props", and so are not challenged, but entertained. And yes, like a pod from the "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," they suck you in and so when we return to the unpredictable, unformated world, we are grumpy and irritable. We do not see things on "face value," but package and judge and format others to mimic the world presented from the video screen. God how I yearn for discussions like Caveat's show!
A new medium always takes on the traits of the medium it replaced. This explains why a talk show was nothing more than a radio show with a visual format, and now podcasts are basically just long talk shows with less restrictions.
It's a trip listening to McLuhan, it's hair straight back stuff at times, my eyes get wide i notice listening to him at certain places when he really gets rolling. Equal parts unnerving and fascinating.
What a panel! Al Hirt, Truman Capote, Marshall McLuhan. You won't see (or hear) anything like it today because celebrities of that calibre simply no longer exist. Even if they did, no modern talk show would showcase such individuals, nor tolerate a conversation of such complexity.
Noticing another broadcast six years later with Tom Snyder on The Tomorrow Show, Mcluhan becomes even more complex when he mentions the 'right brain hemisphere' several times. I don't know that others know this, but McLuhan is a natural-born left-hander, as a very large percentage of the greatest scientists, artists, leaders of the world, creative types, authors of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence, etc. are most all natural born as left-handed. I've studied this for over 20 years since I was hired to teach in a local University as an adjunct professor of astronomy. The University administration put us through a class on the human brain for the new faculty. The lady teaching the class was a nurse to a husband that is a brain surgeon. This is where she disclosed to me, the theory by a doctor, Norman Geschwind in the early 1980's, that claims the cause of left-handedness to occur before birth. There's much controversy in this today. But if you look at the history books is it not a coincidence, or ironic that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Picasso, Van Gogh, MC Escher, Einstein, Richard Feynman, Dr Linus Pauling, most all of the great modern musicians, although many will see natural left-handers such as myself, playing right handed guitar, just as Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, David Bowie, David Byrne, Bob Geldof, Robert Fripp, Mark Knopfler, and other famous modern musicians, as left-handers, yet seen playing right handed guitar. Most talented sports figures in all fields, and coincidentally this coincides with the genius level of many other modern scientists such as the two that created Microsoft - Bill Gates and Paul Allen, and the creaters of Apple - Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, all left-handed.
@@MarkSeibold right/left thing still a factor, but not so much in cognitive science. Asymmetry is there, no question, but the brain can adjust if there's need, as in damage to one side or the other.
@@nuqwestrccording to the McLuhan's Wake documentary he became a lot more infatuated with the right and left hemispheres of the brain after his stroke. Interesting fact.
He makes sense of you consider him a jazz artist as conversationalist. He can riff non-stop and it confuses people b/c it not the normal linear coherent conversation. He speaks in a way that your mind engages by filling in the gaps with meaning that you derive. The tell that he just riffing is when he finishes with "misguided muscle." It like music or art. You take it and can apply a lot of your own meaning
WOW!😮 Capote was thought slow by his school teachers so they tested his IQ expecting or perhaps wanting the worst for him. Well they were disappointed when the news came that he was in fact a genius😂 This interview proves it. He went tête á tête with the original communications theorist and won the debate against one of the greatest minds of the 20th century IN HIS OWN FIELD!😊
Isn’t it funny, especially considering the subject matter, that this interview was so engaging that I never felt I was missing anything because there’s no video.
@40204 I think what he points toward is the immediacy of the medium. It approaches direct experience and interaction in a way that previous media have allowed time for reflection and detachment.
Races can't claim the slow repetitive rhythm. Thats insulting the self trying to claim it. Native Rhythm, Celtic Rhythm, Latin Rhythm all have that basic rhythm in their collection. How is hitting the bass drum and then the snare and then the bass drum associated with any race? How can we associate our sexual rhythm with any race? Who has the right to claim that? The Beatles came from the low middle class. I'm a Direct Descendant of St Tammany. The Only American Saint. Mcluhan answered correctly. It's English Rhythm. Who ever the performer is; it's their rhythm. As a Musical Artist myself; We each put our own unique rhythm into our music. I Guess we're here to look back on primitive and past mistakes. All their mistakes are popping up all around us. Just like our mistakes will pop up around the future people.
@@mochapella we all come from Sex. The common basic Resonance. There's less people to resonate with in the higher emotions, vibrations, thoughts, etc. I can't enjoy sex with someone I can't resonate with fully. Regret naturally follows the ones that can.
Actually the African used a tonal scale much broader than Europeans which allowed for incredibly complex rhythms. This carried over in to the new world where it combined with Old World traditions to form jazz, country, rock, etc. All based apparently on African rhythms. Rock and Roll originated in the black community and the word itself means 'sex' in negro slang. Altho no race can claim sex as its own it certainly can an art form inspired by it and a culture comfortable with it enough to produce it. Capote was right!
Tv puts you into listener mode period. Be in speaker mode. Manipulation is rampant which is evident in this interview. Races can't claim the slow repetitive or sexual rhythm. Humanity was that blind! All cultures have that same basic rhythm. We were all once primitive. Some say the cold is what excelled us.
"Beingness, when it assumes human form, functions like a reflecting pool. The human's perceptions of a world and his imagining of a god is a causeless and choiceless process of abstraction. The human himself (what the individual self considers itself to be) is also a process of abstraction -- an ever-changing cognizance of something that has no actual existence. These processes of abstraction are what create the continually shifting fractal patterns of the physical (psychical) world. "The world, God, etc. are the abstract creations of abstracted individuals. Consciousness is the producer and consumer of this abstract play composed of concepts like birth, growth, decline, and death." -- Sri Baba Ganoush, from the Enigmatic Egg-Plant Talks
It's manipulation. Races can't claim the slow repetitive rhythm. Or sexual rhythm? Wtf. I'm From A Line of Chiefs including st Tammany. That rhythm is also the Native American rhythm.
At around 20:08 McLuhan is talking about how TV wrapped itself around the movie medium, and then movies became an art-form, whereas before TV, they were considered trash. Then he says, " What will wrap itself around TV so that TV will become an art form " ? The answer, as we now know, was the internet. You Tube is full of old TV shows. This is quite astonishingly prophetic.
Yes! Have you noticed that the individuals who post on UA-cam are almost
always "characters," always "performers," rarely their everyday self that must live in real time and "in person" with others. Like the "apartment" of Ralph and Alice Cramden, the sets of UA-cam performers never change. The UA-cam posts thrive on segments, repetition, stock gestures . . . rituals, if you will. Viewers are familiar with these "props", and so are not challenged, but entertained. And yes, like a pod from the "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," they suck you in and
so when we return to the unpredictable, unformated world, we are grumpy and irritable. We do not see things on "face value," but package and judge and format others to mimic the world presented from the video screen. God how I yearn for discussions like Caveat's show!
A new medium always takes on the traits of the medium it replaced. This explains why a talk show was nothing more than a radio show with a visual format, and now podcasts are basically just long talk shows with less restrictions.
McLuhan's "the medium is the message/massage" is more relevant than ever in this age of the internet and social media.
It's a trip listening to McLuhan, it's hair straight back stuff at times, my eyes get wide i notice listening to him at certain places when he really gets rolling. Equal parts unnerving and fascinating.
What a panel! Al Hirt, Truman Capote, Marshall McLuhan. You won't see (or hear) anything like it today because celebrities of that calibre simply no longer exist. Even if they did, no modern talk show would showcase such individuals, nor tolerate a conversation of such complexity.
Noticing another broadcast six years later with Tom Snyder on The Tomorrow Show, Mcluhan becomes even more complex when he mentions the 'right brain hemisphere' several times. I don't know that others know this, but McLuhan is a natural-born left-hander, as a very large percentage of the greatest scientists, artists, leaders of the world, creative types, authors of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence, etc. are most all natural born as left-handed.
I've studied this for over 20 years since I was hired to teach in a local University as an adjunct professor of astronomy. The University administration put us through a class on the human brain for the new faculty. The lady teaching the class was a nurse to a husband that is a brain surgeon. This is where she disclosed to me, the theory by a doctor, Norman Geschwind in the early 1980's, that claims the cause of left-handedness to occur before birth. There's much controversy in this today. But if you look at the history books is it not a coincidence, or ironic that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Picasso, Van Gogh, MC Escher, Einstein, Richard Feynman, Dr Linus Pauling, most all of the great modern musicians, although many will see natural left-handers such as myself, playing right handed guitar, just as Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, David Bowie, David Byrne, Bob Geldof, Robert Fripp, Mark Knopfler, and other famous modern musicians, as left-handers, yet seen playing right handed guitar. Most talented sports figures in all fields, and coincidentally this coincides with the genius level of many other modern scientists such as the two that created Microsoft - Bill Gates and Paul Allen, and the creaters of Apple - Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, all left-handed.
@@MarkSeibold right/left thing still a factor, but not so much in cognitive science. Asymmetry is there, no question, but the brain can adjust if there's need, as in damage to one side or the other.
That's why podcasts have come to replace them.
@@nuqwestrccording to the McLuhan's Wake documentary he became a lot more infatuated with the right and left hemispheres of the brain after his stroke. Interesting fact.
He makes sense of you consider him a jazz artist as conversationalist. He can riff non-stop and it confuses people b/c it not the normal linear coherent conversation. He speaks in a way that your mind engages by filling in the gaps with meaning that you derive. The tell that he just riffing is when he finishes with "misguided muscle." It like music or art. You take it and can apply a lot of your own meaning
He writes the same way. His writing is obviously more formal than his speech, but that's all writing is- formal speech.
'The senses deceive from time to time,& it is prudent never to trust wholly those who have deceived us even once.' - Rene Descartes
WOW!😮 Capote was thought slow by his school teachers so they tested his IQ expecting or perhaps wanting the worst for him. Well they were disappointed when the news came that he was in fact a genius😂 This interview proves it. He went tête á tête with the original communications theorist and won the debate against one of the greatest minds of the 20th century IN HIS OWN FIELD!😊
And now we watch Cavett nostalgically.
Isn’t it funny, especially considering the subject matter, that this interview was so engaging that I never felt I was missing anything because there’s no video.
13:01 Dick, you forgot, from 1960 to 1968 we got the "New Nixon" designed for TV.
What medium is it if I'm listening to a TV show on UA-cam?
it's listening the radio format from the deck
You are utilizing the surrounding technology (Possibly Hologram) that has turned tv into an artform. 19:42
acoustic
The message
@40204 I think what he points toward is the immediacy of the medium. It approaches direct experience and interaction in a way that previous media have allowed time for reflection and detachment.
This ought to be required listening in high school.
Races can't claim the slow repetitive rhythm. Thats insulting the self trying to claim it. Native Rhythm, Celtic Rhythm, Latin Rhythm all have that basic rhythm in their collection. How is hitting the bass drum and then the snare and then the bass drum associated with any race? How can we associate our sexual rhythm with any race? Who has the right to claim that? The Beatles came from the low middle class. I'm a Direct Descendant of St Tammany. The Only American Saint. Mcluhan answered correctly. It's English Rhythm. Who ever the performer is; it's their rhythm. As a Musical Artist myself; We each put our own unique rhythm into our music. I Guess we're here to look back on primitive and past mistakes. All their mistakes are popping up all around us. Just like our mistakes will pop up around the future people.
energy, frequency and vibration... we know when we resonate and when we do not.
@@mochapella we all come from Sex. The common basic Resonance. There's less people to resonate with in the higher emotions, vibrations, thoughts, etc. I can't enjoy sex with someone I can't resonate with fully. Regret naturally follows the ones that can.
Actually the African used a tonal scale much broader than Europeans which allowed for incredibly complex rhythms. This carried over in to the new world where it combined with Old World traditions to form jazz, country, rock, etc. All based apparently on African rhythms. Rock and Roll originated in the black community and the word itself means 'sex' in negro slang. Altho no race can claim sex as its own it certainly can an art form inspired by it and a culture comfortable with it enough to produce it. Capote was right!
Touch,Sight,Taste,Sound,Smell the mind makes sense of its surroundings using the information transmitted to it by the senses.
He says that tv is directing one inward and then he says it is social. And vice versa about films.
Dana Marie watching this on my phone draws me inward.
Tv puts you into listener mode period. Be in speaker mode. Manipulation is rampant which is evident in this interview. Races can't claim the slow repetitive or sexual rhythm. Humanity was that blind! All cultures have that same basic rhythm. We were all once primitive. Some say the cold is what excelled us.
The punchline was the grievance.
tv demands play !!!!
McMahan is so so cool because he wants to know not just tells u what to know
20:06 what will surround TV to turn it into an art form?
Adult Cosplay, he predicted that, too. Wow
"Beingness, when it assumes human form, functions like a reflecting pool. The human's perceptions of a world and his imagining of a god is a causeless and choiceless process of abstraction. The human himself (what the individual self considers itself to be) is also a process of abstraction -- an ever-changing cognizance of something that has no actual existence. These processes of abstraction are what create the continually shifting fractal patterns of the physical (psychical) world.
"The world, God, etc. are the abstract creations of abstracted individuals. Consciousness is the producer and consumer of this abstract play composed of concepts like birth, growth, decline, and death."
-- Sri Baba Ganoush, from the Enigmatic Egg-Plant Talks
McLuhan is intrepid, his wit is unparalleled.
Human perception is always potentially misleading
Heavy
It's manipulation. Races can't claim the slow repetitive rhythm. Or sexual rhythm? Wtf. I'm From A Line of Chiefs including st Tammany. That rhythm is also the Native American rhythm.
Misguided Muscle?
Yes manipulation at its finest. Races can claim the slow basic repetitive rhythm?? Wtf