The Wind That Shakes the Barley - Church scene
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2015
- This scene is from the movie, The Wind That Shakes the Barley, where Damien O'Donovan (Cillian Murphy) get's into an argument with Father Denis (Denis Conway).
English subtitles are available!
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+Dalton Broadus Cheers
The 12 apostles are from our nation - roman pig spy !
That's a young father Jack Hackett
The actor who played the priest was brilliant in this scene
Denis Conway. A fine actor.
Find it perplexing that any male actor who is good at shouting without cracking their voices get the title of good actors, like they are naturally good at being pissed off, what's so special about this one
@@pricklypear300 I think in this context the actor gets the part of a powerful, infallible clergyman you would have seen in early 20th century Ireland across very well. They really did terrify the churchgoers with their sermons and speeches.
Never thought of that..good point
Agreed. He plays the elitist, privileged Catholic priest in every community we all knew very well.
Bloody hell, Father Ted is more intense than I remember it.
Your typical catholic irish nuttah
No father jack was just more heavy set then
@@jjrj8568 fuck off
Down with this treaty
@@aidansimpson5511 Careful now!
This movie is so good. Everyone should watch it.
Yeah except for the commie horseshit Loach always insists on bringing up.
@Christy Dolan Sunshine I'm not saying it's not accurate, I'm saying Loach is a socialist and always want to portray it in a positive light.
@Christy Dolan Didn't Lenin say the point of socialism was for a transition into communism?
Loach has a history of portraying socialism in a positive light and that was his agenda here. He has every right to because there is a socialist aspect to the old war of independence. Doesn't mean socialism isn't complete bollocks.
Also are you a child? You're threatening to slit someone's throat an a UA-cam comment section.
@Christy Dolan Yeah you're 12 years old.
@@pauliewalnuts100 Do shut up! Come across as a knownfuck all Yank and Orange Orangutan President groupie!
I’m not Irish. I’m a Korean. As you know, Korea has been divided into South and North since 1945. And what’s worse we even had a war against our own people. It was so so sad when Teddy ordered to kill his younger brother, Damien. They were good comrades, friends, brothers and Irish. What they had fought for? It was such a good movie.
What a comment from south Korea.
좋은 평 잘 읽었습니다
Thanks for taking note of our small but beautiful country. As an Irishman I have to greatly admire South Korea which was also occupied by the Japanese then divided and then went to war on itself in 1950, Even though South Korea went through a rough couple of decades after. It is one of the most successful democracies today
The partition of ireland was the worst crime ever inflicted on the irish people, hopefully it will be rectified soon enough Tiocfaidh ar la
@@wb8311 he didn't say he was from South Korea.
@@undercoverbrother67
North Koreans can't access UA-cam, they barely have food and 0 cars you think they're sitting there on laptops or phones
One of the best films I’ve ever seen. It prompted me to buy many books on the Irish troubles & open my eyes to the truth. Saoirse 🙏
I hope you’ve read The End of the Hunt by Thomas Flanagan
What exactly was the truth?
@@shinrapresident7010 After studying Irish history, the eventual realisation is that all the conflict could have been avoided at so many times, and the fact the guns went off was a huge tragedy.
There is no one "side" that can be solely blamed. The British, the Republicans, the Unionists, the Free State, etc. were all doing awful stuff because they believed in their cause. If people had tried harder to mend the divides, so many lives would have been saved.
The British shouldn't have made the Easter Rising Rebels martyrs. The Unionists shouldn't have brought in so many guns. The Republicans shouldn't have killed the police. The British should have stopped the B&Ts and the Auxies from being sadists. The Republicans should have waited until WW1 was over.
It goes on and on. Every time until 1998, everything kept going wrong.
The thing to do now is to encourage moderates and peacemakers into parliament and to not encourage future bloodshed through endless propagada.
@@aw3046 It's kind of insane to ke that after studying irish history that's your takeaway. You could easily place an overwhelming majority of the blame on the British. If not for colonisation and the poor material conditions the irish were subjected to then there wouldn't have been a violent uprising at all. You say the republicans shouldn't have killed the police but what is one supposed to do when an empire refuses to let go of their country you can't just vote away colonisation it's never happend like that. Realistically the politics and negotiations have done nothing much. Ireland will only really be united after the UK collapses
@@aw3046 Also if the republicans had waited until after ww1 their chances to actually gain any sort of freedom would've have drastically lowered as Britain would've been able to focus solely on stomping them out. The republicans choice to strike when Britain was weak was smart. Do you really think that they stood any chance to gain independence democratically
Powerful, powerful stuff. Ask most English people (and I do mean most) in 2022 what they know of this period and the decades that preceded and followed it - and they will just stare blankly back at you.
I am English and proud to be so, but the behaviour of my forebears in Ireland and elsewhere for centuries was bloody and shameful. This is a cinematic masterpiece. Books are best, but if you haven't the time, this film will give you a peep through a cack in the door. Powerful stuff indeed.
Yes I totally agree
Shameful and proud? How about find things to be proud of other than which piece dirt you were born on.
We're all very impressed with your self-loathing virtue signaling. 😂
@@petebondurant58 Quiet down you illiterate barbarian.
@ Don't you have to spend all day whining about Cromwell, or some other English injustice that hasn't actually impacted your existence in any way? 😂
Such a great scene in an excellent film!
Yes I agree
Brilliant scene from an excellent movie!
Cillian Murphy brought me here! 😍
@Jim Halfpenny 😂😂😂😂
For a second it alluded me that this is a movie and I was shocked. Lol. Great work.
Me toooo
No it didn't, it eluded you.
Man this film looks incredible, now i want to watch it
This is such a great film
The movie is brilliant. I love it.
de Valera knew people would not accept the treaty, so he sent Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith to take the blame.
What a jealous coward...he sent Collins knowing he would not get a better settlement then scapegoated him...de Valera knew what he was doing...removing his biggest competitor for leadership of Post-War Ireland!
Collins was the UK's beyaatch, can't believe he took the UK's shite deal . De Valera wanted a Republic and that's what he fought for during two wars!
@@soulsurfer639 The threat of terrible war, it is easy in hindsight to say what should have been done! If they had not signed the treaty, what do you believe would have happened?
@@bailmccabe9089 The UK was already stressed beyond capacity dealing with other freedom fighters from its (more lucrative) colonies. Had Collins rejected the deal, it probably would have led to war with the British but we would have kept our dignity and eventually become a Republic... rather than excepting colony status like that traitor Billy Collins... killing his own Irishmen for the British Crown
@@soulsurfer639 The British boast at the time was "the sun never set in the British Empire". If there had been a war then, many people would have been killed, not just directly in the fighting but only potentially from the food shortages or diseases which would be caused by a prolonged war or struggle! If there had been a war, who else would have gotten involved, what other ramifications would it have had?
Very good education for those of us in America with Irish background who don't understand the complexities and causes of the Irish Civil War and Independence etc.
Not all on here true do not exactly true
Wasn't always Darby O Gill and diddly idle do over here
Yes I agree
As long as you remember it is heavily slanted to a hard-left bias and certainly not always true in its rhetoric or framing. The Irish Civil War was not fought over socialist and economic issues, for a start.
It's a Marxist propaganda film
Love the copy of Volume II of the 1970s Lectionary in English on the pulpit! I'd know that binding a mile off!
Love this movie since I was a kid 🔥
The movie loves you!
This scene is so relevant today
Respect 🫡 for the Irish. Chose to resist in the face of danger. Mexican American here
my favourite film ever
A great great movie, a Ken Loach classic. I believe based on a true story about the O'Donovan brothers.
People tend to forget that Ireland went to civil war over the signing of the treaty.
Some modern day Irish Politicians also conveniently forget about atrocities committed by the free state forces armed with British weapons against the anti treaty men. People that they fought side by side with in the War of Independence.
As for the Church. I remember pulpit politics coming loud and clear on a Sunday in the '70's when I was a boy.
They wouldn't dare encroach into those areas now.
@@pegitwillcomebacktoyou a socialist utopia must exist somewhere. It has to do. Problem is I don't think it's on planet earth.
Interesting
The Church lost it’s power the moment the Mammies of Ireland found out it was abusing their children on an industrial level. The clergy still thinks it can weather this, so long as they maintain control of public education. This is why it’s vital to winkle them out of our classrooms.
@@pegitwillcomebacktoyou well said Sir! Indeed with what exactly?
@@paulherlihy9290 You tedious brainwashed moron.
What a scene. What a movie.
I love this movie, it a great movie!
The brilliant Denis Conway.
Very good acting.
Yes it is
What an amazing movie
Yes it is
Absolutely brilliant movie
Happy st patrick's day lads
Gwan Damien
@ Megan - did you see the deleted scene where Damien puts on a mask and used gas to drive the brits mad
Are both of you guys Irish?
Horny
Great acting.
Yes it is
BRILLIANT.!!!!
Turns out, propaganda resonates loudests when private property is at risk.
Amazing performance by the gentleman who played the priest.
Talk about good acting. Reminds me of actors of bygone days like Robert Mitchum who, after a performance, you could swear it was real life.
This is a shocking and telling film, written and acted with care and passion.
I wonder to myself why more British and Irish people today do not know more, read more, learn more about this tragic page in the sometimes grim history of these islands.
I am still slightly queasy (as an Englishman of a largely English bloodline) about the retention of the Six Counties.
One day there will be a united Ireland, one imagines. Ireland will be happier. Great Britain (sans NI) Will be both happier and less burdened by a crippled tax write-off of a province that brings no joy, only hate.
Some will be less happy. Let them sail away on their bitterness and learn to hate another land as they seem to hate their own.
I may be wrong.
I think the people of the north should only join when they want to through a democratic vote. The early Irish state was overrun by nationalism and threw in with the Catholic Church. We’ve come out of both these shackles now and are building a better future.
Well written Banjoluke 🙂
As Northern working class English man, the film made me read up on the History we aren’t taught about what the British Empire got up in to colonial times and how badly treated many working class community’s were still being treated though out the Empire despite its riches & there sacrifice in WW1.
The Black & Tans are an awful part of that History as is how English Establishment viewed the Irish in this time period, British citizens yet treated very much as colonial subjects or a lot worse for centuries.
At time portrayed in film massive sections British working class still didn’t have the vote, there were very little home’s for heroes as promised after WW1, in which 50,000 Irish had volunteered for so the Irish could have Home rule, yet again the English established lied to those who primarily died to protect the Establishments interests.
Tanks were sent into Glasgow to stop workers asking for more rights, the Black & Tans sent to Ireland, I get why people rose up in the R.A. who despite what the propaganda says where very different to the provo’s that came later, hitting military personnel rather than civilians, which I can never get behind, what’s the point of becoming what you fight against.
Hope the Irish realise that a lot of Brits had more in common with them than those that apparently rule in our in interests or the Black & Tan’s of the times, its just working class history particularly revolt against ruling class is suppressed.
In 1980’s as a kid I got to see how the minors were treated in Yorkshire including members of my own family & later look at the Establishment propaganda portraying their own people as the enemy within.
It’s a bit of a sick joke the current English government saying they want to open a new coal mine ( especially with what we now know about the environment)as they told the workers they weren’t profitable or viable which is now obviously a complete lie.
@@jaybot303functionerror4 Very well said.
Perhaps so.
The actor playing the priest is Denis Conway not Seán McGinley.
That would be an ecumenical matter.
Great speech by Damien!
He's quoting Liam Mellows I believe
Great Movie.
Best Irish movie in decades
My favourite movie, i never shut up about it in school
Jesus...I thought that church sermons at my church were overbearing. Apparently I haven't attended the Catholic Church in Ireland....
That was the Catholic Church in the 1920s, they're much lamer now I assure you
@@eliazarcone They were even worse back then during the New Testament times when Paul went to Rome
That period in Irish history was very tragic and complicated. In the civil war of 1922-23, there were both middle class and working class people on both sides, and there were convinced Catholics on both sides, and it left a legacy of bitterness behind it for decades. De Valera was initially the leader of the anti-treaty side (Damien's side in the movie) but nowadays it's fashionable to despise him 'for siding with the Catholic Church'. My father used to say the policy of the British Empire in the 20th Century was 'Divide and Quit'.
Brits 19th century, Divide and Conquer.
Brits 20th Century, Divide and Quit.
Brits 21st century, Divided and Confused
Fighting Irish against the empire
The Catholic Church ruined Ireland,we are Irish an Proud
@Christy Dolan who desinged the white house ...
@Christy Dolan I knew that in 1987 205 years after Kilkenny boy built it
Yes inspiring as hell
extremely relevant
I need to see this film 🎥
It's very good
I seen this movie in the cinema years ago
“If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.” ~ James Connolly
Great words!
@@Gonkawonga
Opinions differ.
And that is unfortunately what has happened. Ever since the Rebellion and the Civil War, this country has betrayed EVERY word of James Connolly. The Catholic Church, the Irish landowning capitalists and bankers allied with English wealth and greed, have also betrayed the Irish people.
De Valera, Archbishop McQuaid and successive Irish Governments have consistently and endlessly looked down upon the workers of Ireland. Their "national" solution was EMIGRATION - year after year and decade after decade.
And now with Global Capitalism, Corporate tax havens, the same old gombeen traitors and another sold out Government - an actual coalition of the supposedly opposing parties of Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael - the betrayal continues.
Working poverty and homelessness are growing in Ireland. Young, hardworking couples have NO CHANCE to own a home - despite the much acclaimed GDP (an indication of CORPORATE wealth, not the wealth of the people).
This is why the political stature of Sinn Fein is growing by leaps and bounds on both sides of the "border". Their day has now come.
@@christinequinn5355 I agree with your wise words.& i wiah Ireland & Sinn Fein every success .☘❤🙏🏿
Ah yes.... "real" socialism.
Good film.
We have known the days...
Get out Damien ye peaky blinder
I remember I got this movie pirate on DVD outside college. Great movie. Universidad de Buenos Aires. Public and free (like the church?😂) stand up for the boys in green
2:41 - "Get out of my church!"
YOUR church? You mean YOU built it?
Christ, alter serving in that church was never the same for me after watching this
that's Denis Conway and not Sean McGinley
Cillian Murphy you legend
Up the old Brigade
Yes
We have that opportunity! Our Irish brothers in the North dont but who cares about them? We got ours.
I hope you are taking the piss but if not go away gobshyte your the shame and descrace to this country
Piss off DRACO, Erin go bragh! 🇮🇪❤
Very well acted and written scene shows both sides of the reason of the civil war
A priest is never supposed to preach politics from the altar especially in the presence of children. That has been and shall always be my thought. No wonder the church has split up many times in history because of different opinions.
Revolution
I never recognise anyone but watching this I was thinking, he looks just like the guy from Peaky Blinders, and lo and behold it is him!
Cillian Murphy an underrated actor
The timeline and, as a result, the context is a bit confusing here. The military courts weren't established until late September 1922. And the first IRA executed under those courts wasn't until November of that year. It's been so long since I watched this, but have the Four Courts been bombarded at this stage in the film? If so, and we're into the autumn of 1922, Damien and the other anti-Treatyites would not have been freely walking around. The so-called Munster Republic had been set up by Lynch July 1922, and Cork was a hotbed of anti-Treaty IRA activity.
this was the worst wedding Father Dougal ever officiated....
As much as it pains me to say the Priests didn’t know what poverty was they didn’t care they lived a lavished life whilst others staved and yes the Catholic Church my church sided with the rich 🟢⚪️🟠
Apart from those that did. It’s a bit like the ‘no priest died in the famine’ lie of another Irish movie The Field.
Why would it pain you to say it? The Catholic Church was a blight on Ireland.
@@brownsey1 Maybe you should join the Orange Order.
@@vincentmcnabb939 Ah good one! As pointed out here in this vid, your Catholic Church was no friend to Republicanism. I'm sorry to tell you, but an institution that hides priests who abuse children isn't something to herald. I take pride in your jibe, even though I'd want absolutely nothing to do with the Orange Order ever. Off to Church with you buddy.
@@vincentmcnabb939 Maybe you should stop defending paedophiles you lazy minded prick.
Sacrificing eternity for 30 pieces of nationalized silver. Waste.
Fr don't Fook with the peakys
It’s the wind that blows the barley into the neighbours field that does no good. Now !!
My grandda stood up for the Republic- got a one-way ticket to Sydney for his efforts.
Once again! The men if cloth let the people down
Don't listen to them, any denomination. Paid arseholes. Follow your conscience.
I'll say a hail Mary for the both of yas!
Sad but true
It is tragic, as also shown in Michael Collins, how the original members of the IRA pretty much turned on each other over the treaty. Could Ireland have been labeled as a puppet state after that like Vichy France or was it a more complicated situation?
Only complication is that the previous French 3rd republic had much longer continuity and widespread international recognition than the Dáil.
British did it on purpose, divide and conquer, divide even more when leaving... look at india!!
British tactic... divide a country when you conquer and when you leave!!!
Tyson L the treaty was never meant for the people of Ireland all it was. Was a bunch of fools kissing up to England because they thought they could get a better deal if the signees of the 1916 proclamation were still alive they would have sided with the IRA
@@TravisLoneWolfWalsh
Things are really NEVER that simple.
Cardinal low what a good chap he turned out to be
How many irish speak gaeilge ?
And our fathers fathers fathers
Quiet down subhuman.
@ easy bog trotter
What is the name of the actress who criticizes the election?
Best film on this era of Irish history. The Church™ has proven itself to be complicit in the oppression of men and women throughout Irish history. As bad--sometimes worse--than the Crown.
That sounds very pathetic. The Church is ultimately the one thing that held true Irish culture up and now that it's gone away, Ireland has turned into a soleless mess.
Without the Catholic Church Ireland would be nothing more than a part of the United Kingdom, a vulgar Wales with potatoes
The priest has it right. Damian and the anti-treatyites like to portray their opponents as wanting the treaty forgetting that it was a compromise and that the British had promised a terrible escalation of they didn’t sign. So they got as much as they could. Totally unrealistic to think that the other side would cede 100%
The least realistic part of this scene is a Novus Ordo mass in the 1920’s
This was the inevitable downfall of the Catholic Church in Ireland. As my father always said it was "Always riding two horses with the one arse". They always were on the side of Bag of silver , no matter who had their hands on it. This film is the one true film which by the relationship of the two brothers explains the disintegration of the true promise of a Free Ireland for all. The british gov has just moved to Dublin since' 16.
Ireland tho is still got the 2 larger Catholics in the world tho first Italy second Ireland 3ed the USA ( well idk if the us is Catholic more then Christian we got a lot of them .)
Powerful statement - "The British gov has just moved to Dublin since '16".
As the influence of Sinn Fein continues to grow, we will see even more troubles. They are the true descendants of James Connolly and are greatly feared by the Wealthy Establishment ( in Britain and Ireland), the corrupt Globalist government in Dublin, and, of course, the wealthy Catholic Church.
@@christinequinn5355 As a Palestinian who happens to know Ireland (and deeply love your country) I totally agree with you. Anglo-Saxon capitalism (both British and Yankee) plus their Zionist counterparts fear a truly independent Ireland , that's why they're trying to reduce your great people to a global tax haven.
@@georgesahmad1790 God Bless Palestine,&may Sinn Feinn finally have their day.God Bless Ireland.
@@christinequinn5355 James Connolly, the founder of the Irish Labour Party? Wash your mouth out. The true descendants of James Connolly are the party he founded for all their ills or shilling for middle class public servants. Not the party that sided with William Martin Murphy during the 1913 Lockout, the man who called for Connolly’s execution in 1916. In fact, Arthur Griffiths denounced the ITGWU for the Lockout.
Sinn Fein have tried co-opting every Irish patriot. From Wolfe-Tone to Robert Emmet to Thomas Francis Meagher to James Connolly. Sinn Fein doesn’t have exclusive right on Irish patriotism no matter what claptrap they spew. Connolly was not a member and he sure as hell wouldn’t be a member today either based the mockery of socialism they propose.
To have faith is one thing but the land that was stole from the people should be returned to the people. The riches duty is to help the poor and if they will not then the people will take back what is theirs
I agree
Based Father versus the virgin schismatic revolutionaries
like the church weren't doing anything wrong....the hypocrisy is pathetic
A good scene. Reflects well some the issues at the time. The Treaty (narrowly passed) did not deliver the Republic but Dominion Status only and a requirement to swear allegiance to the King of England. The Hierarchy by and large sided with the fledgling Free State Government that were armed by the British. With few exceptions, the Hierarchy displayed a defeating silence when 79 Republicans were executed by the Free State Govt during the civil war from June 1922 to April 1923 - and they were only the 'Official' Executions. There were many other summary executions (extrajudicial killings) Our own Govt executed far more Irish men over 12 months than the English did over the 5 years between 1916 and 1921 (over period from Easter Rising to end of War of Independence). That's the tragedy of our history and the cause of bitterness that can still permeate through the generations.
Collaborators
Great scene. Should have changed the word 'rich' to 'British'.
Huh? he should have said "Michael Collins"
"Great scene. Should have changed the word 'rich' to 'British'."
Why?
@@samdaniels2 because historically, the Catholic Church always sided with the 'Establishment- i.e. the British, with 'honourable exception' of course.
@@jack-zz9hb Why does that apply solely to British people?
As a Kashmiri I understand the plight of Irish people. Long live Ireland. Your country has suffered much.
Has no one noticed the stumble at 2:32? 🤣🤣
I did.Was it deliberately part of the film?
Why is the priest wearing a Celtic top?
Now they Stay indoors because they're told to..shake the barley!
Saneman this is a bad take, Saneman. People are getting sick left and right because of dumb opinions like this
@@WhiskersGoingMid You don't even know what's been going on. You just follow those and their sources whose job is to tell you lies. And morons like you buy them over and over again thru centeries.
S B
Tinfoil hat activated.
Don't forget the choir boys in all of this...
Thomas shelby eh
When the church gets into politics it's time to get out of the church.
Rome backed the UK all the way Along with other Europeans they encouraged the complete elimination of Irish people. Fair play to the man who made this film
Dorty Bastards 🇮🇪
Did
1:50) LA PAZ DE CRISTO TE DOY.((((
It’s ok winston Churchill said himself how can you defeat an army you can’t see. They are still rebuilding England after the glorious Irish army left 💣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What?
is that the glorious irish army that murderd more irish roman catholics than any other group during the struggle? 😂
Peace and prosperity? LMAO. The free state sure was prosperous. 😂 And we all know what sins the church committed. Can thank big Dev for that.
The priest was spitting straight facts
No he was looking after his own interests. Fuck him and his treaty.
@@dowdallerno1 or he doesn’t want some fucking idiots to fight more wars against the greatest army ever.
@@historynetwork7438 yea, and that worked out well.😉👍🙄👌
@@dowdallerno1 it did, we have the country and an a somewhat decent relationship with the UK. You think we have the money and army to defeat them? No way.
@@historynetwork7438 we replaced one shitty regime with another one. The Irish state was a cesspit. Madgaline laundries, industrial schools, mass emigration cover up of bombings political censorship more people locked up in psychiatric institutions than the Soviet Union per capita. Cronyism and nepotism rampant ,Yea they did a great job. 😐
Tells everyone to shut up but he’s allowed to say whatever he wants cause it’s “gods house”
Correct. He has a position of God-given authority.
@@simongleaden2864 what a prick
give the church leaders the benefit of the doubt; they were doing what they thought was right by trying to prevent rebellion because it would mean violence. they counseled peace: men of God are supposed to do that.
which rules do you mean?
Winaska.............putting the church on a pedestal and admiring them...............have you no brains............don't you have a clus how the church treated the Irish people..................the most evil bastards you will ever see, .............you must be a priest?
I think it's admirable to understand that not all leaders of the church were criminals. And in fact, some were, and are, quite the opposite. But at this stage, I think it's also very fair to say that an organisation harbouring as many rapists, paedophiles, and murderers as the catholic church has been doing for two thousand years, perhaps you'd be better off being a good person without them.
I mean...the Irish were persecuted by The English for almost 400 years for being Catholic, and the priests were being mistreated right up there with the layfolk. thats just plain and simple history. So, yeah, for you to say that the Church mistreated the Irish, is like saying that the left hand mistreated the right hand. or that the eft eye mistreats the right eye. were some bishops complacent in order to keep the peace? yes. were some higher ups in bed witht eh english opressors in order to try and keep things not-so-bad, yes. but it didnt work.
and some priests truly and simply did want to keep the peace, and abhored bloodshed. so yeah, give them the benefit of the doubt
@Winasaka "Benefit of the doubt" can only be used when facts have not been produced. You should probably ask God why two thousand years of his representatives have been raping children, just for a start like. 'Cause there's a LOT more heinous shit to get through after that.