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(1757) $250,000 Recreational Vehicle Lock (JUNK!)
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2020
- You SURE don't get your money's worth with this $250,000 recreational vehicle lock! Video 1757 is another addition to the JUNK! collection of locks... and boy, is this one bad.
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Well we see why he stayed in his rv instead of your house, he had to guard it since it doesn't have a lock on the door!
Me thinks in this scenario, a Master Lock would be an upgrade... albeit a small upgrade.
lol.. good one.
They’re called leisure locks because they can be opened at a thieves leisure
So I can walk round an RV park and immediately identify who is present and who is away just by walking past the lock.
@@R.a.t.t.y In theory. Somebody might still be home who might confront an uninvited guest.
I am contracted with some roadside companies that do a ton of RV's. Being a San Diego locksmith I probably do about 150-200 rv/camper lockouts at the various campgrounds here each summer. I don't even bother picking those as a jiggler gets me in 99% of the time in under 5 seconds.
European version is a bit different , but then again what can you wait form motorhome/camper lock that cost 35 £ ?
www.camperlands.co.uk/caraloc-700-caravan-motorhome-doorlock.html
I just use my own camper key and jiggle it a little. lol
This has been a problem with RV and travel trailer locks for at least 40 years. All the locks have the same key in many cases, and the ones that don't are cheap junk.
Key says it all.
Lock difficulty level: 001
nahhh more like -01 lol
I dunno, looking at the key it could almost be the bitting code.
GeneralPotatoSalad when I saw the key the bitting reminded me of the CH751 (the most common key in America) it isn’t the same key at all but the bitting is real similar.
@@GeneralPotatoSalad or the number from the "code-book" ... which fits on a post-it Note
because that's the only bitting they have xD
@@SystemX1983 That's what I was thinking: they just used the first code in the book for all their locks.
Something else to keep in mind is the door this type of lock is used in. It has been my experience that the door is normally just two sheets of 0.020" aluminum or fiberglass with a foam core.
Most high end RVs have an option for a security system. For everyone else, there's always a dog.
It's been my experience that in general rvs are made about as cheaply as they can get by with, partly due to profits and partly due to weight savings.
$250k for something built worse than a Nissan Versa
@@onometre Ever seen the interior of a $1,000,000 supercar? Most of those things have a worse looking interior than my Ford Focus. They spend a ton of money on exterior looks and vroomvroom, but nothing on the interior amenities.
@@Just_A_Dude what do you mean most super cars have all carbon fiber interiors with expensive leather racing seats
90% of the storage compartments on the outside of RVs use the ch751 key, and you can access the inside of the RV from the storage compartment on some models too.
That baffles me. I keep one hanging in my work van.
Yeah, it's also used for industrial flam cabinets, I believe. I'll check when I get to work.
It's the first result when searching for "key"
Actually most of them appear to be cheap off-shore clones of the ch751. I had a RV years ago and could pick it open with the awl attachment on my pocket knife. I had a bolt and latch on the door added to effectively turn it into a gate. I figured a decent padlock would offer a small amount of extra security versus, well, none at all.
Not to mention several of the keys in the lock box using the CH751 lock will most likely be CH751 keys.
I have one of these locks on my $6k cargo trailer. I've always figured the locks were to keep the door from flying open.
That's why I put one on mine. (the RV has much more substantial locks -- being a former NC DMV vehicle, every lock on the d*** thing has a different key: four doors, 8 keys.)
I'm pretty sure they do that so when you lose your keys you can pull off one of your windshield wiper blades and pick it yourself.
Given the general quality of construction in RVs, I'm hardly surprised at all.
"This key is your key, this key is my key."
For a minute there I thought you were spoofing the old Woodie Guthrie song.
This key is your key, this key is my key,
... put a line in here that rhymes properly ....
From the Redwood Forest, to the Gulf stream waters,
This key was made for you and me.
:)
@thistubeisfucked That's the one.
Now I need to go watch it again while clutching my version of the keyring.
Between Bill's RV lock, and LPL's "Tap Lock", you guys are really taking it easy this summer!
If Bill's lock had been called The Rake, a perfect day for us all.
@@davidcovington901 That's the manufacturer's name for the core.
Thank you for this video! I never even thought about this until now, but we have these same "locks" on our fiber optic splice trailer. When the trailer is onsite, we keep our $50,000 fusion splicer and tons of tools inside.
I'm going to go change those junkers out right now.
Hmmm... maybe I'll go put a hasp on the door and use a Master #3 padlock. That'll stop 'em for sure!
That lock makes a $250k motorhome a bargain!
you still need to start the engine.
(If you want to pick up the motor home do not need to open the door)
I have a similar lock set on the side door of my utility trailer. On mine the spring lock can still be opened from inside even if the outside handle is locked which makes sense so that you can't get locked inside by accident.
I don't think they put much into these locks because quite frankly they are still stronger than the doors and jams on the typical RV. As usual, locks mostly serve to keep honest people honest.
Hmm. I didn't know you could do that from the inside. I'm definitely going to have to test mine out. Hopefully mine do the same. Thanks.
Hey Bill, couple of years ago while camping with some friends, a couple locked themselves out of a rented RV. I had forgotten my picks at home. I scrounged around the campsite and found 2 paperclips and a pair of pliers. I was able to rake open the lock with these make-shift tools in little to no time. Also, it is well known that All the locks on these motor homes are keyed alike.
You don't even need to pull on the handle, just look which way the keyholes are turned
The thief would have you know the default position then
@@Starkl3t which if they are specifically targeting RV's they might.
@David Daivdson still, if both keyholes are vertical it's either open or locked from the inside, so someone is likely inside. if one or both of them is horizontal it has been locked from outside, which means it's probably empty
Did your mate have a receipt for that motor home, or just a set of picks Bill?
😂😂😂
This lock is a social responsibility initiative. I mean, while the RV isn't being used by proper owners, any homeless person could easily spend a night inside.
The first thing I noticed was the key. Even the generic ones for starting the golf course heavy machines seem to be higher quality.
I’ve seen plastic toy safes that have a more substantial deadbolt that that.
Tell me about it. That thing is wimpy.
RV sales have skyrocketed so this is very helpful and needed.
This is another benefit of watching you and LPL
@Bosnianbill. Yes! Thanks Bill for my daily dose of a rake pick opening. That was TOO EASY! I also love how frustrated you are about how easy it was to open that lock for a $250K motor home by tossing your rake pick and the keys @03:36.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Given that even the walls of any motorhome are basically made of cardboard for weight saving reasons, this lock seems perfectly reasonable. One could even consider it cheap insurance for the walls and windows...
Yeah, if you made the lock too strong, you'll end up ripping the panel out
Great vid, it always amazes me how quickly you crack the junk locks!
The first thing I did was replace the locks on my RV. It might not be worth $250,000, at least we feel more secure sleeping at night.
Even if you lock the handle from the outside, it still works from the inside, so you can be inside the mobile home with both locks locked.
Could have used this knowledge this afternoon! Had to open a customer's RV and all of the hatches on the bottom. Cheap wafer locks with little key logos, same wonderful quality as Leisure Locks.
I have a buddy that runs a school for heavy equipment (I'm a graduate) and every machine uses crappy wafer locks like this. Next time I have a chance I'm going to bring a few rakes with me and drive one of his expensive graders past his office towards the road 😉👍
LOL
I am a locksmith
I get calls all the time for RV lockouts and i love them...they rake in seconds...fast easy money lol
That's actually quite frightening to think that you could be so easily invaded in the middle of the night. Remember, you use those things to travel to strange, unfamiliar locations and camp in remote parks and places! Yikes!
Good point. I'm literally on the road right now to do that very thing. Now I'm contemplating some sort of interior lock only accessible from the inside.
These are well known as "crappy" locks by almost everyone. I have seen Medeco deadbolts on higher end "House Cars". I hope you installed an ABLOY Protec II deadbolt on your friends "Driveable House"
I was a lot porter at an RV dealership for a year and a half. I had to break into numerous campers of various types for a half dozen legal reasons. What is funnier is opening the slides and awnings from inside a storage compartment, with no lock on it. Also, the good old CH751 will get you inside of most storage compartments on any given camper.
And Bill, why would you put a Fort Knoxx tier lock on a door that you can kick a man sized hole into? Or on a camper that you can easily cut a hole into with basic hand tools. Or pop a window out, or come in through the roof vents.
RV locks are super easy. Some of the nicer coaches will have a mortise or rim cylinder instead, usually just a Schlage C key way cylinder.
I also see another problem here - it's possible to lock in the inhabitants of the motor home. That could be really bad.
How?
@@MB-kk5fd by locking by reverse picking
@@MB-kk5fd If the handle lock also blocks the opening from the inside.
Nah, there's a truly remarkable invention called "windows". Also a lot of those things can be left and entered through the storage compartment if you're reasonably built. A lot of them also have an opening in the ceiling that allows you to climb on top of it. It's not that easy to get locked in. If it's a RV and not a camper you normally also can leave through the driver or passenger door
All those skinny young athletes driving motor homes will just leap out a window
Thanks Bill
Great video, thanks mate
Haven't seen this mentioned yet but its also standard on 5th wheels and even higher end travel trailers a brand uses a specific lock. So for example my cousin had keys that would work in my doors and i had keys that worked in his doors, and the storage area keys my cousin had would open their neighbors door. So we found really quick that some manufacturers re-use the same keying and there is a good chance they already have a key for your door. Also telling when i went to a dealer and the sales guy only had 10 keys on his ring for all the trailers on the lot..
We had a 06 gulfstream with those style locks. The gas cap key which wasn't even the same style key (it just had deep cuts) used to work in that entry handle. So (ime) it's been crap security for a long while.
Not only RV's... Most ambulance compartment locks are trash too and most come standard with the same key. and unless you are a major city and can afford to replace the locks with Medaco locks, your key can pretty much open any ambulance...
Same lockset that's used on thousands of little enclosed utility trailers in the US. I've never found a replacement for the one on my trailer that was worth the trouble to swap them, so I just don't bother keeping anything valuable in mine.
Believe it, I was an RV tech, and we had about 8 masters to open basically all RV's. For years all your compartment doors on all trailers were 743 keys. so your key would open the compartment door of every other trailer/RV. Most RV's will have a compartment accessible from inside and outside, which mean you can crawl into the RV 90% of the time. They do have RV deadbolts, I would invest in one and have all my compartments re-keyed.
I'm a VERY amateur hobbyist locksmith, and I've never seen an RV, that has any significant deterrent lock. My RV, (it's very old, and I don't use it very often) I don't even know where half the keys for it are, a simple screwdriver usually works on most the locks.
Good vid ! Same as Boats. Junk doorway locks. Sea ray Power boats - Total junk / same. sailboat entry doorway total junk.
1:50 Good to know we always lock just the dead bolt. Its too confusing if you lock both.
Lots of RV manufacturers use this lock and some even supposedly use the same 751 code key. But there really isn't anything else. Some think they are getting a better combination electronic lock but its has that same little cylinder lock for a key back up.
Oh and mine uses a key from a set of 100 for whatever thats worth.
I'm curious if Bill said anything to his friend about his RV lock and if he had any recommendations on how to improve it.
I encounter these every day. They are cheap! They're not all bitted the same, but alas, they're still pretty easy to get into usually. Pot metal breaks very easy for sure. I find them in all sorts of disarray after the customers attempt to open them with screwdrivers and prybars. The actuator is strangely stronger than you would think in terms of attack. I had a customer cut a hole through the side of their 1/4 million dollar mobile home due to impatience once. Pretty crazy!
That is shockingly bad.
Great video.
Arrrrggg! If you discover a solution please let us know. I've upgraded on 2 campers to keyless entry but the keyholes and keys are still the same as any other RV lock. One of my locks are button push but the entire mechanism seems cheesy. The lock on my small truck camper is touchscreen buttons but the mechanism seems very sturdy and well made. The down side, I just discovered, is with extreme heat the touch screen buttons do not want to work. Direct West Texas sunlight. I had to cool it with the water hose before I could gain entry. So far I'm extremely happy with the touch screen lock. Not so much with the lesser quality button (actual clicks) entry lock. After this video I'm really not happy with either one.
If I'm not mistaken you can lock the handle from the outside with door open then shut yourself in and lock the deadbolt, thus both would be locked with you inside. Still junk locks though ...Leisure locks, fic, trimark they are all the same.....
That’s the exact lock on my fifth wheel trailer. Gives me a very secure feeling (not).
RV locks are well known for being poor. You can spend a hundred or more on replacing the OEM ones with the latest trend of electronic/keyless locks (that also have "CH751" as backup key locks on them). All equally useless.
CH751? No kidding?? What morons! Might as well tape one to the door.
@@williamdegnan4718 It is truly amazing the way some people replace the factory R.V. CH-751 keyed locks (an under $0.75 item from eBay or Amazon) with these stupid $120 electronic "high security" locks and overlook the identical $1 backup CH-751 locks pre-installed on them.
Somewhere I have a collection of 751 keys gathered over the years. I think they breed overnight.... ;-)
Don't know if it's been said but the door latch I've seen allows you to lock both from the inside.
Reminds me of the guy who said he picked a master lock with a chicken bone... This could easily be raked with a bone, or any other piece of junk found around a campsite...
I've never used the 'handle' lock part on mine(WhingingDago) as it always felt dodgy(crappily made) so I've always only used the deadbolt. I did install Keyless Central Locking to the cab part but could never really figure out a way to retrofit it with that lock(or other deadbolt) that wouldn't hack up the door or look dodgy! Mine ain't worth anywhere near $250k mind you I think when it was new it was 'only' $149k
Most those keys are so similar you can jiggle any RV lock open with only about 4 different RV keys.
Now there is a good opportunity to use jigglers on the locks. I bet even paperclips could pick it
Not nearly as bad as my old pop-up trailer. There was a lock on the door, but it was easier to undo two layers of velcro and stick your fingers inside the camper to undo the lock.
These locks are Master keyed
*keyed alike
Leasure Locks, a Leasure to use or bypass/pick if you call that picking!!!
Sad to see all that money and engineering put into the RV itself, with the same level of security as a commercial buildings toilet paper holders.. 🤦🏻♂️ thanks Bill!
They actually have stainless door and compartment locks thar can be equip with security key ways including Abloy Protec; my cousin has a Provost coach that has electronic locks and Abloy Protec on the compartments and a digital keypad, I don’t recall who makes it built into the side door. The two front doors also have Protecs. The coach was just over $1.5M though so I’d hope for better security. It also has some 8 cameras linked to the on board network do you can check on it when you’re not in it. It’s too bad you need to spend so much to get done security because the money is there especially when security upgrades during construction aren’t that much more. When I bought an enclosed trailer I recall most were keyed alike as my key opened probably 80% of the RV style lock side entry doors. I swapped it out right away to a solid body, pin tumbler lock which only had deadbolt locking. Once you learn a little about security and vulnerabilities you realize just how lacking security is in the US.
Like so many things out there no-one makes a more secure alternative because there is no market. The number of RV owners who would actually care enough to buy a good quality lock (even something with the core from a $5 door knob lock set from Home Depot would be more secure than this) is not enough for anyone to bother making something better.
Wow, not only does the state of the lock telegraph whether you're home, that state is obviously visible without even having to check on the lock manually! Yikes!
That name is rather ominous given how easy they are to defeat, Leisure Locks
All RV's have the same key for the lock it's a standard key on any pen tester's keyring.
I think they chose that key bitting so that their grinding wheels would last longer.
Leisure Lock Larry....lmfao
This is every RV lock ever.
My lock is the same except both locks have the inside levers.
And better locks.
In this country lockpicking is not really a danger. Methods like drilling/cutting or hinge-breaking are. Possibly even bypassing a lock might be considered, but I think that's a quite far reach.
So: I'm watching these mainly for the entertainment value. I hope you will give us more content in bypassing/cutting bike locks.
I literally just raked open my dad's rv lock just like that yesterday when he lost one key and the extra was inside.
Locks only keep the honest people honest. If a crook wants in your RV they will get in whether it be picking locks or smashing a window.
An rv or camper is actually somewhere where you want the lock to be trash, easy to break open. Why? because it's the cheapest thing to replace when a nice kick will put a hole through the wall. if someone wants to get in your RV, I'd prefer they break a $20 lock than cause several thousand dollars of damage elsewhere.
For what it's worth, currently rebuilding some rotted out framing on a camper... these things are built with the bare minimum structure that will hold it together (thin fiberglass or aluminum siding, 1 inch x 1.5 inch framing and 1/8 inch paneling make up the entirety of the wall, all held together with staples). a good kick will go through a wall, a nice yank on the siding will rip it off, or, I suspect, any proper thieves would used a battery operated sawzall and be in in 30 seconds... causing untold thousands of dollars in damage on the way.
@BosnianBill I have seen others using these www.amazon.com/RVLock-Keyless-Handle-Integrated-Keypad/dp/B00N58KQMQ/ and thought about them myself. They seem a little more premium. I have not made the switch as there isn't any real reviews as to their security. Also as I said in a different comment, most people (that I know anyway) lock the handle from the outside when going to bed. It doesn't make it any more secure, however it does tell others that the door is locked. Otherwise people will try to open it if the handle moves (not knowing the deadbolt is engaged) and break the handle off. I've replaced 2 of them for this exact reason. As an additional note. Myself and 11 other families go camping together every year. Each with their own RV. The sticker price on each family's trailer ranges from ~$30K to ~$250k. 2 years ago the owner of the other higher end units lost their keys. I made a point to explain that most keys are the same. My set of keys opened 4 of the main doors, and 8 of the storage hatches.
There are two other issues. The first is a rumor. (But, isn't a rumor just a premature fact?) The second I have experienced.
I was told that the top lock is master keyed and there are plenty of keys floating around. Of course it doesn't take much to jiggle your way in.
The linkage can fail over time. It fails secure. (There's a reason why I tell you not to slam my door.) My sweetheart was just home from surgery and had to drag herself out of bed, locate a screwdriver and pull four screws from the inside because neither the key nor the lever would operate the deadbolt. After that, I was able to uninstall the entire lock to gain access.
Many RVers choose to install a legitimate deadbolt lock. But, the truth is that the door has thin skins and a styrofoam core and will not withstand a modest brute-force attack.
But, we're used to this kind of thing. We all have CH751s and reciprocal access to each other's storage compartments, unless the locks have upgraded.🙄
Reminds me of cheap file cabinet lock
Can you pick a weatherguard truck box lock please!
I have one of those in storage. Man those things are heavy!
I misplaced the key to ours. After watching Bill's channel I saw that I could easily open it. I raked it in less than 1 minute with a paper clip using a small a screwdriver to tension.
My little Stanley Wonder Bar would pop that in one shot.
You can lock the outside handle and still get out from the inside. So it is totally possible for both locks to be locked and somebody inside.
That is true
Unfortunately there's not a lot to choose from in the camper door lock realm. There's a digital keypad version of this, but not seeing it in assuming that the build is similar.
I have a number of these wafer cores on various things and they are ridiculously easy to open. Are there any ways to improve the security on them without using a completely different lock?
And I got to tell you the master key does not work for the deadbolt it only works for the latch not the deadbolt apparently. apparently can buy them off eBay for couple bucks
you could get a pet doberman. Name him chopper.
Does anyone know of a security upgrade for this handle and lock that would fit in the existing cut out of the original door handle?
I noticed that the key had bitting #001. I wonder how many different combinations they have?
1
I think this lock would be best used as a weird privacy lock
Junk is being polite.
Mobile homes/RVs are way over priced and not protected by tons of laws that would protect any other vehicle (like most places the Lemon laws dont protect RVs). If you don't get one custom made... It's likely a peice of junk wth a fancy veneer... No matter what you paid for it.
Are those cabinet drawer locks???!!!
New RVs tend to be massively overpriced in my experience. I imagine you can lock the spring catch before closing the door and still be able to close the door.
I see a market opportunity
$250,000? Good grief, that's more than my house
Hopefully whatever lock is securing the ignition is a bit stronger so they can't simply drive it away afterwards. I looked into RVs last year and one of the things I noticed is they all have really shitty locks on them.
A well trained Honey Badger is the only defense I can see against Bill or LPL and you would need one per door/window area... could get expensive.
The only 5th wheel camper I've owned had a CH751 for a key. :-/
Craftsman!!
you dont need no tension wrench for those locks
Because locks are meant to keep the honest guys out.
Them keys probably fit his RV to....