Squats Part 1: Fold-Ability and Proportions

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  • @broweber
    @broweber 8 років тому +257

    This video has been so incredibly helpful in helping me to understand why I can't squat the "proper way." I have long femurs and a short torso, and if I don't take a wider stance or elevate my heels, my chest falls forward or I fall backwards. Coaches and trainers have generally tried to correct my form in ways that are physically impossible for me. Since finding this video, I've shared it many times. I wish all trainers had this information. Thank you so much for sharing!

    • @KS-fz7hh
      @KS-fz7hh 3 роки тому +9

      That sounds like me. Actually trying to not get above the toes has hurt my already beat up knee way more.
      Also got those spider legs and a short torso.
      Keep it up man!

    • @GeorgWilde
      @GeorgWilde 2 роки тому +4

      Your trainers were retards. But this is very common. They simply get people through standartized training and expect the "good ones" thrive. Screw the outliers for whom is such training totally stupid. Then you have the survivor bias of only people who do well on such training staying in fitness industry and being succesful, so it perpetuates. Most trainers are EXTREMELY ignorant.

    • @agentfalafel5059
      @agentfalafel5059 2 роки тому +1

      Many so called trainers are ignorant when it comes to this. They believe all sizes fit all.

  • @CanditoTrainingHQ
    @CanditoTrainingHQ 10 років тому +335

    Great video, awesome to see a model constructed to demonstrate proportion differences so clearly.

    • @brenp403
      @brenp403 9 років тому +8

      CanditoTrainingHQ PersonalTrainingdotcom You know you've made it when Jonnie gives your vid a thumbs up ;)

  • @jasonwitt8268
    @jasonwitt8268 3 роки тому +28

    Years later, and it’s still one of the best videos on squatting and foldability

  • @agentfalafel5059
    @agentfalafel5059 2 роки тому +10

    Finally someone explained it. I have got long legs and short torso- absolutely hate squats, always fall back.

  • @ColinDeWaay
    @ColinDeWaay 9 років тому +55

    This is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you!

  • @123abcd8
    @123abcd8 9 років тому +29

    The use of this model is simple but brilliant, kind of an eye opener to see a reasonable scenario wherin it would be impossible to safely squat to competition standards.

    • @dlg78
      @dlg78 4 роки тому +2

      What it makes you realise is weightlifting competitions are kind of pointless when we all have all different body types. Makes you wonder why they class it by body weight. A tall person is handling a lot more load than a short person with good proportions. Same with bench, I'm 6ft 4, and my arms are nearly twice as long as some people. I'm moving that weight not only twice as far, but the load on the chest is actually double too...for the same weight on the bar.

    • @Hugo-ew2ko
      @Hugo-ew2ko 2 роки тому

      @@dlg78 You can say this about just about any physical sport lol.
      For instance swimming. Ever seen that video where they go over Michael Phelp's arm length and how big his hands/feet are? The guy was born to be one of the G.O.A.T's

    • @dlg78
      @dlg78 2 роки тому

      @@Hugo-ew2ko not quite the same with weights.
      With a long level length with weights you are actually lifting more weight.

  • @nicholascrichton3394
    @nicholascrichton3394 2 роки тому +2

    This has been the most I have learned in 5 minutes and 34 seconds of my entire life. I'm 35 years old.

  • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
    @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому +20

    A quick video done by Tom Purvis of the Resistance Training Specialist Program (RTS).
    Tom discusses Squats and the mechanical realities of proportions/mechanics and fold-ability.

  • @Narcaes
    @Narcaes 7 місяців тому +1

    Wow, not a single wasted second in this video. Very clear demonstration.

  • @jacobjegira5361
    @jacobjegira5361 3 роки тому +2

    this right here, is golden information about all the misconceptions and debates about what a "proper" squat should be

  • @duality7
    @duality7 2 роки тому +3

    This man has set the bar for PTs super high. Excellent stuff!

  • @SmittyKat
    @SmittyKat 7 років тому +22

    Thank you so much for this video! I'm a new lifter and I felt like shit because I have to lean forward on my squats to keep from feeling like I'm falling over backward! I thought I just sucked at squats and got pretty discouraged. This made me feel a lot better about my natural abilities. thank you.

  • @vancemcnulty8242
    @vancemcnulty8242 3 роки тому +6

    All the squat videos and tutorials i've ever seen can be summed up right here. That's the thing about bar back squat, some people have the proportions to build great legs without compromising their lower backs and some are just going to use all lower back and glutes. It's all about the biomechanics and you can't over come it. Well done man.

  • @maccollo
    @maccollo 10 місяців тому +1

    This is a very cool model. One thing to add is that raising your heels with weightlifting shoes doesn't just give you move dorsiflexsion, it also effectively increases the length of the tibia, and this model shows how much that helps.

  • @MrForsythej
    @MrForsythej 4 роки тому +2

    This is, by far, the best description of this I have found. Thank you!

  • @FrankTaeger2021
    @FrankTaeger2021 10 років тому +41

    I will publish a book on weight training and biomechanics this month. Let me say that this is one of the best introductions I have seen on video so far.
    I have tried to combat the argument that "you always need to be upright" and "knees should never be forward" for years now, but your simple device demonstrates everything in such a short amount of time, I am more than impressed.

    • @sleepingtube
      @sleepingtube 3 роки тому +1

      Starting Strength covers this in some detail

    • @FrankTaeger2021
      @FrankTaeger2021 3 роки тому +2

      @@sleepingtube Yes, it did. Rip did however have a more or less narrow view on the squat mechanics, some of the stuff he said was just not that useful for anyone outside of powerlifting.
      For example, the hand position does not work for a lot of people with problematic shoulders. The head position he has used works for the low bar squat, but the low bar squat is not necessary for every single lifter. In fact, I only use it for powerlifters and tend to work with a bar position that is individual for the lifter. Most of my lifters use a slightly higher hybrid or high bar approach to the squat and are using high weights (600+ lbs) just fine.
      Starting Strength was one great book and it showed me the ropes, but it was dogmatic in its position on the squat and how to do it.

    • @coach_michael
      @coach_michael Рік тому

      @@FrankTaeger2021true that. There is no one less dogmatic than RTS/Tom Purvis in terms of biomechanics. Looking forward to attending his mastery course next summer in Oklahoma. 😎 You should join too💪

  • @mattdufresne8991
    @mattdufresne8991 3 роки тому +3

    Exemplary synopsis of squat mechanics. Well Done!

  • @igo4bmx
    @igo4bmx 5 місяців тому

    I had to say- this is the single best demonstration showing squating mechanics with respect to body type

  • @rolfvreijdenberger1639
    @rolfvreijdenberger1639 11 місяців тому +1

    Best video series ever to explain squat mechanics ❤

  • @rvdown11
    @rvdown11 5 років тому +9

    You are really doing the Lord's work with this video. Thank you so much. I have been lifting weights for 20+ years and I always get people telling me about how bad my squat form looks. I always try to explain how my proportions and where my center of gravity as I describe it needs to be to not fall over make it difficult to isolate the quads from the back but for now I will just direct them to this video.

  • @GravisTKD
    @GravisTKD 10 років тому +31

    Absolutely awesome explanation of proportions and how they influence squatting. Great stuff, Tom! (As usual)

  • @greenbra17
    @greenbra17 10 років тому +9

    This blew my mind when I first saw this in 2005 at RTS123 in Toronto!

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому

      you were a late-comer!!

    • @greenbra17
      @greenbra17 10 років тому +3

      PersonalTrainingdotcom No kidding! I saw some of Tom's videos in 2000 when I first got into personal training. My mentor started years before that! Thanks for sharing this. The exercise world needs MORE information like this.

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому +2

      well it took a long time before agreeing to join this cess-pool called the internet... so many people were stealing and attempting to re-package our material. and doing it wrong anyway! had to happen

    • @FrankTaeger2021
      @FrankTaeger2021 10 років тому +1

      PersonalTrainingdotcom It sounds hardcore but you really just have to ignore that. There is no way of really doing anything against it in the end. And it is more important

  • @adams1688
    @adams1688 9 років тому +2

    I've always had the problem of leaning too far forward and could never figure out why, this is probably the best explanation i've found, thank's a lot for the video!

  • @daleg.9673
    @daleg.9673 9 років тому +3

    A very useful model and demonstration which really clarifies how different limb lengths affect the movement -- thank you!

  • @jillmiller389
    @jillmiller389 10 років тому +7

    Thanks for the awesome presentation. Folks in the yoga space need to see this as well. There are gross misunderstandings of proportion as it relates to the shapes of poses.

  • @thestatrat4843
    @thestatrat4843 Рік тому

    For years I was convinced that having the bar as low as possible was the only way to fix my squat. Except it didn't... It was always lower back dominant and never worked the quads. I often had lower back strain. This video opened my eyes and now it's so clear. I switched to high bar and everything is much better. I can't lift as much yet, but my legs are getting stronger! Thank you!

  • @IvanDjuric300
    @IvanDjuric300 4 роки тому

    The single best video on the net explaining squat mechanics. I thank you sir!

  • @dontwannanewname
    @dontwannanewname 2 роки тому +1

    What an incredibly helpful video

  • @timborys1
    @timborys1 7 років тому +2

    Fantastic video. This is how I typically describe squat mechanics to clients, but have never used a model like that. The model makes it infinitely easier to understand (and teach). Thanks Tom. I'm definitely going to build myself a model like that! :-)

  • @usbsol
    @usbsol 2 роки тому +1

    The videos on this channels are great - too bad there are not any new content. Cheers

  • @atasel
    @atasel Рік тому +2

    Absolutely fantastic. I've been wondering for 10 years why i fall backwards doing air squats and now I know, it's my anatomy and I'm built to not squat. xD

  • @scottholley4712
    @scottholley4712 6 років тому +2

    Wow. I absolutely love this! The guy really explains the intricacies well.

  • @benkenobi4453
    @benkenobi4453 9 місяців тому

    I ran track in college long jump triple jump, man I wish I had seen this video back then. My whole life I’ve been fighting with squat and deadlifts. Torso of a 5’9 guy with legs of a 6’1 guy. Whenever we’d work on hip mobility and ankle mobility I could never third world squat without my heels coming off the ground. I’ve actually tweaked my back on deadlift and squat trying to use “proper form”. Glad I saw this video.
    I’m going to rethink how approach these lifts. A lot of people hate the leg press for example - but I can literally set it on the lowest setting load it up with 7 plates and bring my knees to my chest with no problem. I’m going to focus on building strength more in those movements that are advantageous to my anatomy. Thank for this glad I saw this before I got too old and more than likely injured my spine permanently lol

  • @eddieyurus3970
    @eddieyurus3970 3 роки тому +1

    This is the best video I’ve ever seen on squatting. Thanks a lot.

  • @darrellgray349
    @darrellgray349 7 місяців тому +1

    Can you share instructions on how you built your model. I would love to make one for teaching purposes.

  • @doyouhavegainsonyourphone4507
    @doyouhavegainsonyourphone4507 5 років тому +5

    I have struggled with squat form for a long time, I even tore my quadratus lumborum because I did a “good morning” squat with improper form; I was taught there was ONE proper foot placement for a squat. Now, after realizing my femur is over 30% of my height, I widened my stance and now my form is excellent. Thank you!

  • @EpictheEpicest
    @EpictheEpicest 9 років тому +2

    This is a really good, easy to understand video. I seem to be at the extreme end of the spectrum with short trunk and short tibia, but it's nice to know that my squat form isn't as shitty as I thought it was.

  • @RachaelJohn
    @RachaelJohn 5 років тому

    THIS IS ME. Short tibia, long femur and long torso. My upper body would be so far forward when I would try to squat. Now I put small weights under my feet to elevate my heel which helps me be way more upright. I know I could buy weightlifting shoes but I don't really need them at this stage. Or i widen my stance and have my feet and hips turned more outwards. This vid has confirmed my observations of watching myself and watching others squat though. THANK YOU!

  • @Dararith
    @Dararith 9 років тому +7

    This is one of the best videos I've seen that describe squat mechanics. You've explained it very clearly and made some really great points on limb length relative to flexion. Are you looking to do any other videos? If you're taking requests, I would very much appreciate a deadlift video with the model to explain the mechanics in the same manner.

  • @shivanshkandroo7441
    @shivanshkandroo7441 2 роки тому

    The best explanation I've ever come across

  • @snarkygnome619
    @snarkygnome619 2 роки тому +1

    I know a guy who is around 175-180cm tall with a relatively short femur.
    He squatted 190kg at 17yo. 70kg bw.

  • @wenkrogg7224
    @wenkrogg7224 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for this video!!! My whole life people where telling me I didn't squat properly and I needed to work on it. I physically couldn't do what they were asking, I would simply fall on my butt becuase my center of gravity was not right (I am very short waisted with longer porportions from my knee to my hip than most people) I would get so frustrated. If I squated with my back straight my heels come off the floor or if I keep my heels on the ground I have to bend over to keep from falling on my butt. This is a great visusal to explain why I can't do what others do so easily.

  • @fitfun9036
    @fitfun9036 10 років тому +18

    Man I heard you say this in 1989 at NASM. It's about time you finally did this on UA-cam. Wtf took you so long??!

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому +13

      Haha! It took a lot to bring ourselves to do it - thanks for the positive feedback

    • @guineapig55555
      @guineapig55555 9 років тому

      Fit Fun because people browsing youtube generally exercise less than people that don't browse it

  • @johnhuldt
    @johnhuldt 6 років тому

    The single best video on squatting out there.

  • @andrew2272kag
    @andrew2272kag Рік тому

    This was a great video. I've recently moved from high to low bar Squat and have been resolving form issues due to carry over, such as back angle and stance width. This has really demonstrated some of the areas I'm trying to fix, especially with the hips back and reducing the knee load.

  • @tp5com
    @tp5com 9 років тому +1

    Excellent video. Powerlifting To Win has a good series about levers and moment arms, and Greg Knuckols has a great article about squat variations for different body types - but this video demonstrates both greatly! (don't forget to watch Part 2!)

  • @DannotheManno8681
    @DannotheManno8681 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video. I am that last person, so I do split squats and I am able to work the quads! Upside is I am not a terrible deadlifter!

  • @imerisagencehypothecaire
    @imerisagencehypothecaire 4 роки тому

    this was a great video, having the model to demonstrate the differences in ratios and how it effects stance was so helpful.

  • @zabouille19
    @zabouille19 8 років тому +1

    Finally someone demonstrates what I was convinced of for years in my incapability to go fully down in utkatasana! My doc diagnosed me with an overlong femur when I was 12 and yet I'm overflexible so not being able to squat low is definitively not linked to stiffness in my case! Tried to explain that in vain to various pple including yoga teachers. Thank you so much for clarifying this to the public!

  • @PerryBattles
    @PerryBattles 9 років тому

    I never thought about how much this could matter... that's very interesting!
    Great video.

  • @janel8169
    @janel8169 2 роки тому +3

    this makes me feel a lot better about myself, because people keep telling me how bad my form is but I physically can't go lower unless i basically fold at the hip :(

  • @SCUD7005
    @SCUD7005 Місяць тому

    When I started back squatting I wondered why I couldn't nearly go as low with a barbell than without although I have great flexability. This makes a lot more sense now!

  • @joserey2637
    @joserey2637 6 років тому

    This video is great, by far the best explanation about how proportions affect the mechanics of the squat. Outstanding job, thanks! :)

  • @ibaryabaq9197
    @ibaryabaq9197 Рік тому

    Best explanation I have ever seen. Its frustrating how those with relatively short femurs fail to understand it. It would be like if us long femur folks made them run hurdles and couldn't understand why they struggle.

  • @TotalathletictherapyJAL
    @TotalathletictherapyJAL 9 років тому +1

    I think this is a great video and does a fantastic job of breaking down the mechanics of the squat and showing the relationship between the knee and the hip works. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on moving out of a plane that only moves in the saggital plane and adding in some transverse plane movement such as external rotation at the hip. If you were to add ER to the hip and drive knees out while pushing your hips back it is going to allow you to keep your tibia's more up right while also allowing you to sink your hips back and get good depth with the squat.

  • @no-trick-pony
    @no-trick-pony 5 років тому

    This is the best video on the internet.

  • @Sniper474
    @Sniper474 5 років тому +1

    Can you do a video just like this explaining optimal foot width and toe pointing direction for squat and a separate video for the deadlift version please? This video was amazingly informative, thank you very much for your time

  • @reactor4
    @reactor4 Рік тому

    I have a short tibia and have NEVER be good and squats. I could seated press over my head more that I could squat. Great video!

  • @dlg78
    @dlg78 4 роки тому

    I have the bad proportions, so I'm now squatting just above parallel, but with more weight than I used to, as I was limited by the load on my knee and position at parallel. I can now lift double. I've basically evened out the load curve, and still getting more load on the knee with the double weight than I did going parallel with half the weight. It works. I think people don't realise that us tall people have much steeper load and extreme load curves through a movement than short people.

  • @rickyeldiablo800
    @rickyeldiablo800 4 роки тому

    This makes so much sense now, I'm short but I've bot a 16" tibia, I picked up squatting really easily

  • @lycaki
    @lycaki 9 років тому

    Oh my god, this video is awesome, explains so much about why my squat sucks (lean way too forward and can never get my butt down, feels like I'll fall over) Thank you for this...

  • @MikeSiscofitness
    @MikeSiscofitness 10 років тому

    So much great info packed into a 5 min video!

  • @UltimatePotentialFitness909
    @UltimatePotentialFitness909 7 місяців тому

    This explains it all. Bravo!

  • @wonziba2122
    @wonziba2122 5 років тому

    Wow.... everybody needs to see these videos

  • @Hannahbets
    @Hannahbets 4 місяці тому

    This is great and explains so much about my issues, thanks so much!

  • @ashleegrant48
    @ashleegrant48 10 років тому +1

    Very cool to hear these explained thanks

  • @jordanfeigenbaum3398
    @jordanfeigenbaum3398 10 років тому +1

    That is interesting as well- would love to take a look at one one of the old course manuals. At any rate, looks like great minds think alike! There are some differences in the interpretation of the physics, but the model is very similar. I look forward to seeing your other materials, and I'm sure there will be some overlap.

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому +1

      20 years of exploring this has led to many interpretations amongst ourselves. But of course, biomechanics is a mathematical science and 1+1=2 every time - we look forward to having you in class sometime.

  • @georgianbents
    @georgianbents 9 років тому

    Brilliant video. Graphic and simplified.

  • @naresh286
    @naresh286 10 років тому +1

    Outstanding video!!! Thanks for the share!!!

  • @IanChivers72
    @IanChivers72 7 років тому

    Amazing! What an excellent demonstration!

  • @rivanbennevendo8653
    @rivanbennevendo8653 7 років тому

    This is a brilliant video that brought a lot of things to light for me. Thank you!

  • @ebscoHOSTpub
    @ebscoHOSTpub 9 років тому

    This is amazing! Thanks to whoever posted this on reddit. Very informative.

  • @Raptorel
    @Raptorel 9 років тому

    Excellent video, covered everything from the standpoint of structure.

  • @izzymakesmuscle
    @izzymakesmuscle 3 роки тому +1

    Dude. Incredible.

  • @Mercyforthewicked
    @Mercyforthewicked 5 років тому

    amazing demonstration

  • @waelbreiche1811
    @waelbreiche1811 9 років тому +1

    Brilliant explanation. Thanks a lot!

  • @Themindofreyrey
    @Themindofreyrey Рік тому +1

    It's hard for me to get into a sitting split squat position, or do ass-too-grass squats because of my long legs. I can only do them when my heels are elevated.

  • @DaGoldC
    @DaGoldC 9 років тому

    Please do a video like this for deadlifts! I sucked at dl since I was born

  • @shelbybasinger4316
    @shelbybasinger4316 2 роки тому

    This is fantastic. Do you have a tutorial on how to build/create a model similar to this?

  • @Saxofoonreed
    @Saxofoonreed 2 роки тому

    This is an absolutely brilliant video. Thank you for this content.

  • @amitnair4137
    @amitnair4137 7 років тому +1

    Too Good.. very very Informative. .

  • @pinkeye00
    @pinkeye00 8 років тому

    Wow ... not a PT person, but mechanics make perfect sense after seeing the extreme.

  • @PubliusRutiliusLupus
    @PubliusRutiliusLupus 9 років тому

    Extremely insightful and very well-presented. Thanks.

  • @chrisb1209
    @chrisb1209 9 років тому

    Really great video! Really puts into perspective the differences and their effects! Thanks for the upload!

  • @HntrLazeboy
    @HntrLazeboy 10 років тому +1

    Great video

  • @sword-and-shield
    @sword-and-shield 5 років тому

    Outstanding visual instruction sir...thx

  • @94fishhead
    @94fishhead 9 років тому +1

    PersonalTrainingdotcom Hey these videos are great! I was wondering you would ever think about doing a set of video likes these for the deadlift! Or do the same principals apply the same way?
    Also, is there a way to measure you tibia,femor, torso length and figure out your relative proportions?

  • @uprightlifefitness6794
    @uprightlifefitness6794 10 років тому

    Great demonstration! This makes me want to record myself (and others) squatting in order to observe and determine our posture; for better and for worse. Perhaps we can correct some unhealthy patterns. Thanks for the info.

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому +2

      ...or Al least determine what to NOT do.
      Remember, not EVERYONE can or should squat. Exercise is CLIENT-DEFINED

  • @abraxis20
    @abraxis20 7 років тому

    Brilliantly explained.

  • @Maitri_Movement
    @Maitri_Movement Рік тому

    Such wonderful info, thank you!

  • @AussieBrutus1981
    @AussieBrutus1981 6 років тому +1

    WRT segmental proportions is there a ratio to use?
    What defines proportions?
    I have:
    Floor to Knee length of ~ 21.7"
    Femur length ~ 17.3"
    Torso length ~ 23.2"
    I am trying to differentiate whether my squat form (compared to the ideal norm) is primarily due to flat feet (possibly poor mobility and balance issues) or due to segmental proportionality.

  • @kumbazzz
    @kumbazzz 3 роки тому

    This is very informative, thank you.

  • @Therealonepunch
    @Therealonepunch 2 роки тому +2

    NEW RULE. Nobody is allowed to make "How to squat or deadlift" Videos, without referring to these concepts in their video. I''ve learned from all the wrong people how THEY squat/Deadlift and have gotten injured so many times following their form advice.

  • @jakubbaran6357
    @jakubbaran6357 6 років тому

    This is why anterior weight shifting "longer"s the torso and moving knees outward because of greater feet angle and stance width shortens the femur and makes the squat easier.

  • @alfetoabortantezyotecreo
    @alfetoabortantezyotecreo 4 місяці тому

    Is there a table in where we can study proportions and have a general idea of how we should squat based on our own measures?

  • @jordanfeigenbaum3398
    @jordanfeigenbaum3398 10 років тому

    I enjoyed the video- thank you. It does look very familiar to the Starting Strength squat model, however.

    • @personaltrainingdotcom4016
      @personaltrainingdotcom4016  10 років тому

      don't know what that means, but since this is something we've used for so many years, it's entirely possible that someone has copied our idea and tried to pass it off as their own (as has happened many times over the years)

  • @brunogarbejr
    @brunogarbejr 6 років тому

    best squat video ever!!!

  • @nevershake
    @nevershake 9 років тому

    Excellent explanation! Are there any videos similar to this for deadlift and bench press?

  • @ambismagee3207
    @ambismagee3207 7 років тому +1

    Anyone know of an online tool where you can put in measurements and generate these as an animation?

  • @lin2k4
    @lin2k4 9 років тому

    Very informative! Will you make a similar video for deadlifts?