This whole thing gets me thinking: What if the monsterverse and the MCU were one in the same? AKA, what if Monsterverse Godzilla fought the MCU Avengers?
Well, I don't want to go into full details about it here, since I plan on covering Monsterverse Goji one day, but Thor alone could probably take him down. If Godzilla were to fight 2012 Avengers, then it would be a fair fight, but post-awakened Thor/Ragnarok already scales above Godzilla even prior to obtaining Stormbreaker as well as probably Thanos and Captain Marvel. Hulk depends on what time in the MCU.
@@theultimatememelord5494 Actually it's quite a bit different from the 2012 version; I know at least Iron Man got stronger, that's not even counting the Hulkbuster suit. Thor and Hulk are hard to say if they got any stronger after 2012 but they're already in the same league of power as Godzilla on their own. Vision also scales to Thor and that's one more heavy hitter to the team, so the 2014 iteration of the team is significantly stronger than 2012 due to having more members. At best, it would basically be 2014 Thor, Vision, Hulkbuster Iron Man, and Hulk Vs. 2014 Godzilla with Godzilla MAYBE beating one or two of them individually. They're all around the Island + to Country Level so Godzilla would probably be about equal to Thor or Hulk and get overwhelmed, he wasn't the best at fighting the two MUTOs at the same time and they were weaker than him, so this would basically be like fighting four MUTOs who are all less than or equal to his own strength. Vision may be impossible due to being able to phase through matter, and being a machine, he can react to attacks much faster than a normal person. Aside from his atomic breath, Godzilla would be too slow in comparison. Scarlet Witch is a bit of a wildcard, so I hesitate to include her. But her hax magic could at least distract Godzilla long enough for the others to defeat him. Iron Man contended with a rage boosted Hulk but is a bit of a glass cannon in comparison. Out of the four heavy hitters, he's the one most likely to take the L in the fight, but he'd more likely stick to his smaller nimbler armor and just stay out of reach and blast away with his repulsors. In conclusion, Godzilla isn't beating the whole team with Thor, Vision, and Hulk attacking together. Hulk may eventually overcome Godzilla with a rage boost, so it isn't much of a fair fight. Heck, Hulk alone might be enough given time and that's assuming none of the weaker Avengers does some clever stuff to stop him in the meantime. The 2012 version is fairer since it would just be Hulk and Thor, but 2014 has Iron Man, Vision, and Scarlet Witch on top of that.
@@theultimatememelord5494 Ah, that's right, my mistake. For some reason I always assumed that movie came out in 2014. Then yes, it would for the most part be the same as 2012, though I do still believe Iron Man would be stronger though I can't be certain what year he constructed the Hulkbuster as that is his only shot at even harming Godzilla (that or his Unibeam but he can only fire so many shots of that). In any case, it still comes down to Thor and Hulk Vs. Godzilla with possibly Hulkbuster Iron Man jumping in. Godzilla could possibly beat one of them (Iron Man would be a glass cannon in this case so the least dangerous threat.) Thor would appropriately be his equal with Hulk starting off a little weaker before eventually surpassing him with rage boost. So theoretically like fighting three MUTOs with one of them getting stronger as the fight goes on, them only being a decimal of the size making them way harder to hit, and much, much faster. Godzilla still loses. He could possibly beat them one-on-one but not Thor and Hulk together.
Things get a bit weird when people start making up fictional levels of power like hyper verse, multiverse, and outer verse. Suffice to say Godzilla is at a level beyond just the basic Universe level but how high exactly is dependent on how strong 70’s Thor is. Thor nowadays is way, way stronger and is at least Hyperversal. So in later videos I changed it to Marvel Godzilla being either High Universal or just leaving it at Universe + since the Vs. Wiki doesn’t clearly define the difference between the beyond Universe level tiers.
There's a Video that Scaled Marvel Godzilla to Solar System lvl, he just used to comic it self nothing else and came up with Solar System some how. That would make Marvel Godzilla on par with SpaceG at the beginning of the movie of 1994. So I'm a little confused EDIT: The dude who scaled Marvel Godzilla only used the current Comic and current feats at the time, he didn't use feats from future event past 1979 to up scale Marvel Godzilla. He said that Thor was at least Solar System lvl and what the guy in this video said was the same as the other dude, the difference is the other claiming it to be Solar and this one Universe lvl. What I'm trying to say is that maybe we were wrong about Marvel Godzilla and in fact, he's not as strong as we thought.
That's literally what I addressed in the video, using feats from the Marvel comics prior to Godzilla, I even cited practically all of them as well. And even without that, Thor directly compares him to the Midgard Serpent, who rivals Thor, who already had Universal feats at that point. The aliens who abducted Godzilla even state he was among the strongest beings on Earth, putting him at least on par with the Hulk who has contended with Thor several times at that point. Yes, Hulk's power is inconsistent, but Thor's isn't. I will however admit that apparently both Thor and Hercules are NORMALLY Galaxy level, so the most you could lowball it would be Galaxy Level. The Midgard Serpent can bridge the gap between Earth and Asgard, two entirely different planes of existence with its body length as well as produce winds that can be felt all the way from Asgard, having Universal level range. Hercules even had to put in effort to stop his stomp, the same guy who once lifted the very Heavens struggled just to throw Godzilla, even if he is heavily suppressed is still impressive. Not to mention Hercules failed to really do any damage to Godzilla. Sorry for the long essay, but in conclusion, Godzilla (Base) is bare minimum Galaxy-Universe Level. He even survives attacks from Thor who in the final fight vowed to not hold back, you don't need any more proof than that.
Godzilla held his own against EVERYONE. We're talking literal gods. Then, when he was asked by an Asian boy to politely leave, he instantly understood and did. He wasn't even bothered enough to resist.
what about Archangel vs. Godzilla (Uncanny X-men #507)? I like your videos. But this calculation is so wrong. I know Mavel (and DC) are a bit strange there. So let’s explain Hercules Thor... is in the 100 ton class. That doesn't mean he can only lift 100 tons or people below his class can't lift 100 tons. It means lifting 100 tons or more without sinking into the ground and without breaking the object in his hands is a normal challenge for him. (Super strength is not just muscle strength) It is normal for many characters in this class to cause planetary destruction. But that's not such a big achievement with Mavel and DC. Often you just have to be able to destroy planets and hit a weak point. Big doesn't mean tough. On the contrary. The larger a multiverse is, the easier it is to destroy (DC statement). The strength indicates how hard (diamond = 100) the object to be destroyed can be. With A-B-C logic you can also make Aunt May a universe level (if you ignore context). Even without it, a normal human can destroy a universe/multiverse with one wrong look. (Literally. There is something that reacts like that when seen by mortals.) These things are generally very fragile. The thing was probably 75 tons at that time. (The FV's powers naturally increase over time) He began to control Iceman's Omega powers around 1995. (Initially he needs support from others to use his powers) In 1984 Marvel produced a P&P with which you could recreate several comic stories. After that, strength 100 means that you can knock down someone with resistance (energy and invulnerability 100) without martial arts. The Human Torch can withstand up to 100 class heat. His Nova attack is stronger but has a high risk of colletal damage. Mark I according to the rule class 30 So Godzilla Energy =
The point about Iceman in the video was that I was only using feats that existed at the time of the comic's story. Talking about modern Iceman regardless of how strong he currently is, was merely meant to clarify I'm not using their current versions as a lot of Marvel characters are a lot stronger compared to how they were back in the 70's comics. Obviously, Hulk is on a whole nother level nowadays, but back then his power was very inconsistant. He could at best match Thor but admitted himself he couldn't beat him while he wielded Mjournir. He also at times contended with the Thing, who is obviously not as strong as Thor.
@@thespectornator2496 classic doctor strange was stronger then he was now they had to nerf him even classic Hulk could close black holes with his bare hands and smash asteroids twice the size of the planet earth those feats all from 70s ect
Dude whoever made this video get off your ego trip. DC also has time issues, Superman has been around 30, Batman also around 40. Comics are a mess in time lines and recons and timecrises. There is nothing so far saying Godzilla is in Earth 3999 or whatever Earth due to that concept of a multiverse being an excape goat not a fact or constantly point of view. Comics back in the days were for kids later they became young adult and now somewhere between adult and collectors. Stories before did not have to make sense due to their targeted audiences, big example Superman's power. As for fixing the time line, off the high horse, unless working for Marvel, you can't more than likely Godzilla will be put in 3 different earth versions to explain the time jumps.. Omega level is a mutant that can destroy a planet. Can be possible to destroy universes.
This whole thing gets me thinking: What if the monsterverse and the MCU were one in the same? AKA, what if Monsterverse Godzilla fought the MCU Avengers?
Well, I don't want to go into full details about it here, since I plan on covering Monsterverse Goji one day, but Thor alone could probably take him down. If Godzilla were to fight 2012 Avengers, then it would be a fair fight, but post-awakened Thor/Ragnarok already scales above Godzilla even prior to obtaining Stormbreaker as well as probably Thanos and Captain Marvel. Hulk depends on what time in the MCU.
@@thespectornator2496 Hypothetically I would be talking about the team's 2014 incarnation, which would basically be it's 2012 incarnation.
@@theultimatememelord5494 Actually it's quite a bit different from the 2012 version; I know at least Iron Man got stronger, that's not even counting the Hulkbuster suit. Thor and Hulk are hard to say if they got any stronger after 2012 but they're already in the same league of power as Godzilla on their own. Vision also scales to Thor and that's one more heavy hitter to the team, so the 2014 iteration of the team is significantly stronger than 2012 due to having more members.
At best, it would basically be 2014 Thor, Vision, Hulkbuster Iron Man, and Hulk Vs. 2014 Godzilla with Godzilla MAYBE beating one or two of them individually. They're all around the Island + to Country Level so Godzilla would probably be about equal to Thor or Hulk and get overwhelmed, he wasn't the best at fighting the two MUTOs at the same time and they were weaker than him, so this would basically be like fighting four MUTOs who are all less than or equal to his own strength.
Vision may be impossible due to being able to phase through matter, and being a machine, he can react to attacks much faster than a normal person. Aside from his atomic breath, Godzilla would be too slow in comparison.
Scarlet Witch is a bit of a wildcard, so I hesitate to include her. But her hax magic could at least distract Godzilla long enough for the others to defeat him.
Iron Man contended with a rage boosted Hulk but is a bit of a glass cannon in comparison. Out of the four heavy hitters, he's the one most likely to take the L in the fight, but he'd more likely stick to his smaller nimbler armor and just stay out of reach and blast away with his repulsors.
In conclusion, Godzilla isn't beating the whole team with Thor, Vision, and Hulk attacking together. Hulk may eventually overcome Godzilla with a rage boost, so it isn't much of a fair fight. Heck, Hulk alone might be enough given time and that's assuming none of the weaker Avengers does some clever stuff to stop him in the meantime. The 2012 version is fairer since it would just be Hulk and Thor, but 2014 has Iron Man, Vision, and Scarlet Witch on top of that.
But Age of Ultron takes place in 2015, right?
@@theultimatememelord5494 Ah, that's right, my mistake. For some reason I always assumed that movie came out in 2014. Then yes, it would for the most part be the same as 2012, though I do still believe Iron Man would be stronger though I can't be certain what year he constructed the Hulkbuster as that is his only shot at even harming Godzilla (that or his Unibeam but he can only fire so many shots of that).
In any case, it still comes down to Thor and Hulk Vs. Godzilla with possibly Hulkbuster Iron Man jumping in. Godzilla could possibly beat one of them (Iron Man would be a glass cannon in this case so the least dangerous threat.) Thor would appropriately be his equal with Hulk starting off a little weaker before eventually surpassing him with rage boost.
So theoretically like fighting three MUTOs with one of them getting stronger as the fight goes on, them only being a decimal of the size making them way harder to hit, and much, much faster. Godzilla still loses. He could possibly beat them one-on-one but not Thor and Hulk together.
Can't wait
all this and then in 2014 he got proven to be Showa Godzilla
And all that to still be a heisei godzilla victim
He said Marvel Goji is hyperversal.
@@Shadowrulzalways heisei>>>showa
So Marvel Goji is hyperversal?
Things get a bit weird when people start making up fictional levels of power like hyper verse, multiverse, and outer verse. Suffice to say Godzilla is at a level beyond just the basic Universe level but how high exactly is dependent on how strong 70’s Thor is.
Thor nowadays is way, way stronger and is at least Hyperversal. So in later videos I changed it to Marvel Godzilla being either High Universal or just leaving it at Universe + since the Vs. Wiki doesn’t clearly define the difference between the beyond Universe level tiers.
There's a Video that Scaled Marvel Godzilla to Solar System lvl, he just used to comic it self nothing else and came up with Solar System some how. That would make Marvel Godzilla on par with SpaceG at the beginning of the movie of 1994. So I'm a little confused
EDIT: The dude who scaled Marvel Godzilla only used the current Comic and current feats at the time, he didn't use feats from future event past 1979 to up scale Marvel Godzilla. He said that Thor was at least Solar System lvl and what the guy in this video said was the same as the other dude, the difference is the other claiming it to be Solar and this one Universe lvl. What I'm trying to say is that maybe we were wrong about Marvel Godzilla and in fact, he's not as strong as we thought.
That's literally what I addressed in the video, using feats from the Marvel comics prior to Godzilla, I even cited practically all of them as well.
And even without that, Thor directly compares him to the Midgard Serpent, who rivals Thor, who already had Universal feats at that point.
The aliens who abducted Godzilla even state he was among the strongest beings on Earth, putting him at least on par with the Hulk who has contended with Thor several times at that point.
Yes, Hulk's power is inconsistent, but Thor's isn't. I will however admit that apparently both Thor and Hercules are NORMALLY Galaxy level, so the most you could lowball it would be Galaxy Level.
The Midgard Serpent can bridge the gap between Earth and Asgard, two entirely different planes of existence with its body length as well as produce winds that can be felt all the way from Asgard, having Universal level range.
Hercules even had to put in effort to stop his stomp, the same guy who once lifted the very Heavens struggled just to throw Godzilla, even if he is heavily suppressed is still impressive. Not to mention Hercules failed to really do any damage to Godzilla.
Sorry for the long essay, but in conclusion, Godzilla (Base) is bare minimum Galaxy-Universe Level. He even survives attacks from Thor who in the final fight vowed to not hold back, you don't need any more proof than that.
@@thespectornator2496 alright, so Base Marvel Godzilla is Universal. Now I understand
Godzilla held his own against EVERYONE. We're talking literal gods. Then, when he was asked by an Asian boy to politely leave, he instantly understood and did. He wasn't even bothered enough to resist.
Iceman is not stronger then immortal Hulk🙏🏼🙏🏼
what about Archangel vs. Godzilla (Uncanny X-men #507)?
I like your videos. But this calculation is so wrong. I know Mavel (and DC) are a bit strange there. So let’s explain
Hercules Thor... is in the 100 ton class. That doesn't mean he can only lift 100 tons or people below his class can't lift 100 tons.
It means lifting 100 tons or more without sinking into the ground and without breaking the object in his hands is a normal challenge for him. (Super strength is not just muscle strength)
It is normal for many characters in this class to cause planetary destruction.
But that's not such a big achievement with Mavel and DC.
Often you just have to be able to destroy planets and hit a weak point. Big doesn't mean tough.
On the contrary. The larger a multiverse is, the easier it is to destroy (DC statement). The strength indicates how hard (diamond = 100) the object to be destroyed can be.
With A-B-C logic you can also make Aunt May a universe level (if you ignore context).
Even without it, a normal human can destroy a universe/multiverse with one wrong look. (Literally. There is something that reacts like that when seen by mortals.) These things are generally very fragile.
The thing was probably 75 tons at that time. (The FV's powers naturally increase over time)
He began to control Iceman's Omega powers around 1995.
(Initially he needs support from others to use his powers)
In 1984 Marvel produced a P&P with which you could recreate several comic stories. After that, strength 100 means that you can knock down someone with resistance (energy and invulnerability 100) without martial arts.
The Human Torch can withstand up to 100 class heat.
His Nova attack is stronger but has a high risk of colletal damage.
Mark I according to the rule class 30
So
Godzilla
Energy =
I prefer the 70s Marvel's Godzilla Prime.
That wasn't Godzilla 🤬
Ice man 😂 is not hyper versal and has no feats to back this up
The point about Iceman in the video was that I was only using feats that existed at the time of the comic's story. Talking about modern Iceman regardless of how strong he currently is, was merely meant to clarify I'm not using their current versions as a lot of Marvel characters are a lot stronger compared to how they were back in the 70's comics.
Obviously, Hulk is on a whole nother level nowadays, but back then his power was very inconsistant. He could at best match Thor but admitted himself he couldn't beat him while he wielded Mjournir. He also at times contended with the Thing, who is obviously not as strong as Thor.
@@thespectornator2496 classic doctor strange was stronger then he was now they had to nerf him even classic Hulk could close black holes with his bare hands and smash asteroids twice the size of the planet earth those feats all from 70s ect
Dude whoever made this video get off your ego trip. DC also has time issues, Superman has been around 30, Batman also around 40. Comics are a mess in time lines and recons and timecrises. There is nothing so far saying Godzilla is in Earth 3999 or whatever Earth due to that concept of a multiverse being an excape goat not a fact or constantly point of view. Comics back in the days were for kids later they became young adult and now somewhere between adult and collectors. Stories before did not have to make sense due to their targeted audiences, big example Superman's power. As for fixing the time line, off the high horse, unless working for Marvel, you can't more than likely Godzilla will be put in 3 different earth versions to explain the time jumps.. Omega level is a mutant that can destroy a planet. Can be possible to destroy universes.