A wheel, a drain and a mill
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- In this video we look at a few things from past videos. We found an old Victorian Cartwheel by the River Irk in Manchester. What do you think. Is this a piece of old Victorian engineering. We visit one of our favourite storm drains in full flow during heavy rainfall. On the River Medlock. Finally we visit the site of the former Bank Mill in Salford and take a look around this old Art Deco building. During the video we are also doing an urbex reconnaissance mission to find a particular site that we may film in a future video. Art Deco Buildings, Victorian wheels and a storm drain in full flood. Its all in this video
Fantastic Show once again.
Thanks very much
Perfect timing! Just about to have my tea and you appear with another brilliant adventure!! I`ve been waiting all day for this!! Yay!!
Thanks very much Demelza hope you enjoyed
When you were on top of the mill in Salford, you looked across to a grey bridge over the railway. On the far side of that bridge, there used to be a train station, which closed, I think, in the late 60's. It was Pendleton Station, not to be confused with Pendleton Broad Street, which was a hundred yards or so further up the hill.
The main station building was to the left on the far side of the bridge as you were looking at it and to get to the other platform, you had to exit the station and cross over that road bridge to another entrance. I left Salford to live abroad about 25 years ago, but I still have memories of catching the train at that station, so I wish you'd gone and had a look to see if anything remains of it.
Well done! Just the way I like it, all of you getting in there, up there, and no pansying about! Good effort!
Thank you Grimsmith
I do agree about that wheel I think its a cart wheel and thanks for filming all that for us Martin it's a gem
Thanks Andy. I would love to think its very old
I really like those "watery places" you visit, definitely among my faves! As for the building, while part of me is happy that it still exists, I can't help but to feel sorry for how dilapidated and unkempt it is on the inside. Really hope it will receive more care and maintenance at some point, before it's too far gone.
Yeah its used as a dumping ground
I absolutely love the Art Deco design on the building!!! Would love to renovate that into housing!!!! Please reopen the canal!!!! What a great project to work on!!!
Another excellent video Martin, your channel is honestly one of the best on youtube. Thanks for the content :D
Id say the present building is from around 1920's 1930's as per say art deco.
Yeah I reckon so to
I agree ...It reminds me of The Hercule Poirot..
i would say the same by the look of how its build fits to this time
Yes indeed, you see it everywhere, also by looking at the the slim metal window frames.
Martin you never fail to make excellent video's that entertain us week in week out 😎
I applaud you sir 👏🏻👏🏻
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Thanks Martin Must see Manchester Before i Get to old. Keep Safe Dave.👍
Great vid Mart, loved seeing the old buildings, awesome you got to go round that place now a taxi company - assume they didn't mind and gave you time to do it - credit to them! Stay safe!
Thanks Marc, glad you enjoyed
Sunday evenings are sad because the weekend has come to an end and back to work Monday
Your video's ease the Pain and offer some escapism
It is Bank Holiday Monday!
FV FV only for some
Thanks Retro am glad they do
Actually it feels good still being able to work normally in this pandemic situation, and Martin's videos are quite soothing, too, so we're all kind of OK, all things considered.
I'd love to go out for a day with Martin and explore these places!
Great show.
Another quality video Martin 👍🏻
Martin, you say you are not good with heights. All I have to do is watch your video on the roof and I feel dizzy! Thanks again, you intrepid explorer.
Definitely an old cart wheel I've found one myself but it was mostly just the metal bits, so I watched a video by an old wheelwright who was repairing a more modern cart wheel. You've found a real beauty!☸️ great video
Thank you
Hi Martin, i live just down the road from bank mill at Cromwell roundabout, not far from the Irwell. That co op building use to be queens park motors, i bought 2 bikes from there. It’s a listed building and was converted into flats. When you go inside it is completely different. They had to keep the outside cos of the grade of listing. There used to be a factory down lissadel street called Ward and Goldstones were they made electrical components, it’s long gone now and theres a Council building and a business park, shame really it was a massive old factory. Nice to see you in Salford 👍
The building screams Art Deco! From the outside to the detail above the lifts and the railings on the stairs! The old map shows a solid building in the space, while the new picture shows a building in just part of that space! I think you are right! Its a newer building built in the Art Deco Style! Now that being said...why? The old building was built in 1891 and Art Deco was from Mid 20's. So after only 35 yrs the older building maybe burned down? Or outlived it use and was downsized to a smaller building! Lots of questions haha! That wheel looked really old! From a wagon or maybe a workings! Nice to see Danny again! Thanks Martin!
Original building was probably build in 1779 instead of 1891 (www.gracesguide.co.uk/Bank_Mill_(Salford)), and had several fires and damage of storms in it's life time. It makes more sense to me they demolished an 150 year old building with a lot of structural damages than a building of just 30-something old.
Cheers Miles I pretty much agree with what you have said
Great to see you out and about. That trip was classic ☺️ take care out there. Great to see young danny again 🤘🤘✌️
Thanks very much
Really enjoyed your latest. As for becoming a member? It was my Birthday in August and to my surprise, the BBC remembered it as well!!! They demand that I become a member of their channels for a fee of £157.? a year for none payment I would face criminal charges. Not like you Martin giving me a choice and can still watch your excellent content.
Thanks for another fantastic video Martin. Thanks for the trip love it when others do silly things like me. Sorry but I did laugh. Loved all of that especially in tunnels. I love the drains too, while you take me thru just glad I don’t have the smell. Thanks so much for taking me along and please stay safe
100% 1930's art deco that building. The lifts were incredible 👌❤️
What a nice find, I think a wheel of a cow or cart.
Never lose the child in you.
Still very interesting the information about history.
Thank you, I would love to know the history of that wheel
@@MartinZero Then you should actually get it out of the water and find an expert
Thanks for the video, it sure does look like a old cart wheel in good condition. 😀 👍 I'm sure the mill building looks to me to be art deco so not old enough to be the original mill!!😎🐓🐓🇬🇧
Very interesting as always. 1:18 ha they must love your channel
Cheers Daniel
Another great video Martin !That building is 1920's '30's ...Maybe an administrative building to the factory's that were demolished ..? Who knows...
Difficult to get the full story Anne
As your at Gorton reservoir I take it your on the trail of Gore Brook?
Loads of history in that area, Gore Brook, Stockport Branch of the Ashton Canal, Fallowfield Loop Line, Hyde Road Station,
All virtually come together ar this locale. 👍🙂
Yeah its a good place Ian
Ah, so not just me, then. Let's have some from my part of the world, haha!
Reckon Martin and his mate accessed that area from Tanyard Brow.
You nailed the assessment of era,the windows in particular are of more recent time in relative sense. Loved this!
Very Atmoshpheric introductory music ;)
That building is beautiful, the interior is amazing.
thank you martin and the ZERO TEAM for getting out there for us all the best from trev and Chris down south
Love your welcoming committee .All so well behaved .Could be part of a canal boat.The mill does look art deco Martin . Agree about the style .That's a lovely staircase & up on the roof that's a fabulous sky .Enjoyed this a lot :👍
The green composite stone on the stairs are very indicative of a building designed in the 1920's
That's just what I was thinking too. Late 20's maybe early 30's
Thanks Jacqueline
Ill say 20s too. Screams 20s art deco. Quite nice too
Wicked video Martin your right about the wheel it's definitely from a cart or a wagon wood with the iron outer rim and I fully agree with you about the mill, as mills had completely open plan floors for the looms and the brickwork screams art deco keep the videos coming buddy
Thanks very much mate
The restrained art deco frontage and inner details plus Crittal windows screams out 1930s to me.
Yeah I agree Hazel
The wheel is an old cart wheel, quite common until WW2. They had an oak or metal hub, wood spokes and feloe and a steel rim was heated and shrunk on.
Great vid. Especially enjoyed the stuff around Gorton. Where the overflow flows into Gorton Brook, the area where people my age will know we called 'Butterfly Land'. Happy days!
Was there butterflys there Tony ?
That’s right “Butterfly Land”. Spent many an hour there as a kid.
@@MartinZero Yes quite a few esp around the railway remnants.
Another great video Martin. It looks like the entrance to the overflow from Gorton Lower Reservoir. Just in case you didn't know, you are very close to the (filled in) Stockport branch of the Ashton Canal. The canal branch heads south and runs along the east side of Gorton Cemetery. Many thanks and Best Wishes Pete.
Thanks Martin for another great vlog I would guess that building was twenties or thirties. Take care and all the best. Stevie
The wood elevator doors are beautiful.
That wheel could be a lot of things. Early automobiles had wood wheels. But carts did too...one clue would be the shape of the steel tire. If it has a "U" shape, that means it originally had a rubber tire.
Wish I knew its history Fredy
Lancashirelad No one made spoked wheels without steel tyres after about 800BC. The tyre holds the wheel segments together.
After about 1850 rubber tyres started to be fitted to smooth the ride and reduce wear in paved city streets but they were not common.
Lancashirelad Pretty much - you can safely assume that it is post Roman occupation in Britain...
Great video Martin! from what I remember only parts of the old mill remained and in 2013 most of it was demolished, including a nice old tower, the only part left of the original mill is the small funny shaped building on Lissadel street, the other part on Salop street is much later addition
A taxi and mechanics business in Salford - he he if walls could talk!
Beautiful building and fittings - great vid Martin 👍
Nice video - I do like your 'odds and sods' videos. Cheers.
Cheers Brian
Happy Sunday
Happy Sunday to you Michael
Quality, as always!
Thank you Ray
@@MartinZero I'm wondering about the wheel, if it were a wooden cartwheel, do you think it would have survived so well for that length of time, especially in a wet environment!? ...... But it is strange, can't think where else it could have come from, surely not part of machinery! ..... But, as always, I could be wrong! Haha! .... Cheers.
great video martin well done.
Cheers Tom
Bank Mill is definitely not Victorian but Art Deco, 30's. However, maybe the cellars are from the original mill as the flooring and even some of the walling looks a lot older. Nice interesting video Martin.
I live in Fullerton, California and we have a mix of building dates. I do agree with other posters that this building was probably built later in the 20's and 30's.
Yep agreed Timothy
I think that mill used to house British Cotton Co.Ltd in 1969. I have a memory of delivering some files to them
NPow , you're right my wife worked there in the late 70's.
Ahh right, interesting
Thumbs up Martin
Now yer for it.... you're getting into my real proper and genuine patch- it's the Gore Brook, innit? Seriously Martin, it's going to be be most interesting (to say the least) to see how a 'foreigner' comes to terms with this. Let me say, from the outset, I'm glad it's you, you'll give it the treatment it warrants, so please go for it. I have nothing but sweet sweet memories of this area, so much stuff, part of my life yaddayadda etc. &so on.....
I have spent time and youth discovering how the the world works, round there, believe me. In my time, the 'resers' were not overgrown down to the waterline, as now, and the views were most open indeed. My high school was there, where my real, formative, years were spent. I didn't know it then, of course, but blimey- now I can see it all. I had relatives very close by too. And work colleagues who have passed on as well. Useless, but related blather- Hyde Road Junction, Reddish, Hyde road goods, Upper, Middle and lower reservoirs, Debdale, Gorton, and so on. If I'm wrong,,,,,,,kick my arse fro now 'til doomsday. I'll have to wait and see, as I'm too skint to join up til I getback to work, andthe b000000rds start to pay me again! Cheers bud. If you need any info, if I've got it right, just holler. If I'm way off, just kick my virtual arse back to the dark ages! Cheers mate!
Thank you. I need the source and the end
I would say your'e right about being Art Deco. the rounded corner of the building & the decor, coupled with the crittall windows (metal framed), & the fact that Asbestos was used, scream late1920's-early 30's definately exclude this building from being built in the 1800's. I have been an art deco fan since the 90's, & suggest you look at the Hoover building in London for an example of Crittall windows. Nice vlog though Martin, keep em coming. Regards Rural Geeze.
Rural Geeze your right the building looks Art Deco but I doubt it was built in the 20/30s that would mean the original mill only stood 40 years, it doesn’t sit right they would have pulled it down so quick
Yeah love the Hoover building and cheers Rural 👍
A great mish mash. Re the railings in Debdale park that got your attention, the wall is also a lovely feature and looks almost as good as the day it was built. I think that water down the ravine may drop into Tanyard Brow? Another nearby water course worth investigating is Gore Brook which makes its way towards Pink Bank Lane.
Hi Chris, yeah Gore brook is of particular interest
That COOP used to be Queen's Park Motors, the big motorbike shop.
My dad worked at Queens Park Motors for many years. I think the owner was called Alf Elliot. Its appartments now.
Yep the Bolton Corridor line. On the other side is the line that goes from Wigan. Plenty of older buildings in that area. It looks like it was either a newer build on the old sight or one that used a fraction of the old one and added the deco stuff in place.
Yeah Iam inclined to agree with you Foxstar
Fascinating stuff Martin. Thanks for sharing. Bring it on! :-) Love the music by the way.
The perfect thing to watch on a Sunday!
The cellars remind me of under an old mill in Burslem. Used at the time as the Nisa today cold store depot, it had been a coffin factory, a bakery and several other things going back to the 19th century. I had a summer job laying concrete in the lorry park between sixth form and Uni.
We found many gems in there including a very old photocopier dating to the 1970s that was huge and filled a room in the cellar. We also found stacks of old Beanos dating back to 1980. I wish I had kept them! Some of the rooms had been sealed up contents and all when the building was hacked around for its next use. We found three rooms done out as 1960s offices and a lift all hidden behind plasterboarding.
I think the place was demolished in around 1999.
Hi Jenny,,, is it you of the model rail channel? Didn't know you were a potter (oo er a clayhead!!!_) I'm in Crewe (a Creweton. lol). Cheers me duck!
Just found out it is! Nice to see someone with similar interests, innit? I'ma driver at FL intermodal, Crewe. So I deserve all the crap......cheers!
Thanks Jennifer I used to read the Beano in the 70's 😃
Laszlo Fyre certainly is :)
Another excellent video. Thanks Martin
Thank you very much
Dank je martin .was weer erg interessant
Groet stef👍
Heel erg bedankt Stef, blij dat je genoten hebt van de video
I went to school with Art Deco, he was a great guy.
That Bank Mill building is fabulous, but it ain’t Victorian, if it was it would be Victorian in style. Art Nouveau would be 1900’s to 1920’s, after that things stopped due to wars and building started properly again in the 1950’s, imitating the golden era of the 20’s, hence lots of Art Deco looking building were built in the 1950’s. This looks like a typical example of that. The brickwork, windows and other features lead me to believe its 1950’s.
Not sure if that spiral staircase is original, but I absolutely LOVE it.
Thanks for another great vid Martin. Keep em coming an I’ll keep a watchin..
Thanks Kevin, I agree its a later build
loving the intro music
Thank you Tipsy
Oh wow. I haven’t got time to look through all these comments so apologies if I’m repeating someone else’s post but....
On the map showing Bank Mill there is a benchmark shown. It should be visible on the brick or stone at the corner as an arrow carved in the building. That would date it possibly? Although as the extant building is curved and the map shows it coming to a point I’m guessing that benchmark is lost, and the current building is newer. I’ll come back and read the comments later! Love the vlogs. Hope to bump
Into you one day!!!
Oh! And that cart wheel needs digging out and preserving so it can be identified!!
Hi Martin, yup I'd agree with the other comments. There are a few surviving buildings in the Stoke-on-Trent area that look very similar. Built between the wars. Think that wheel in the river bed is certainly from a cart. (There's one just like that rotting away behind my shed!)
Ahh nice something to have a brew with Cheers Martin ! And you did a MrmattandMrChay Cool...
Thanks very much Rob
Hi Martin, Do you know you start this video stood in the middle of the old filled in Stockport Canal (Lankey Cut)?
Nice one Martin , such a shame to see that beautiful old building being left to rot 😟. Another one for you to look at is the Albert. Dock in Liverpool, for a basic warehouse/ utility building the architecture is stunning 🤩🧱👍🏼
Yeah been there its very impressive
Martin Zero 👌🏼🧱👍🏽
I found at the internet, Bank Mill was there since 1779 (so more then 100 years older as the date Danny found). The mill suffered of 3 large fires in 1828 and 1829 and damage of a storm in 1839. Can't find when or why the original building was demolished but I can imagine it as a 150 year old building with a lot of structural damages of the fires and hurricane, it might be just a pretty unsafe structure. Good chance the mill went bankrupt in the crisis of 1927. The building you visited is clearly late 1920's, maybe early 1930's. The Art-Deco style, the green stone in the hallway, the staircase, the tiling, it is all screaming "I'm 1920's/1930's".
www.gracesguide.co.uk/Bank_Mill_(Salford)
Thats great and thank you for the info
@@MartinZero You're welcome.
Hi Martin does look like a wooden wheel , but who knows ask someone who knows for certain, be careful where you are , don’t trust anyone sadly but please take care , !amazing drain , !yes it does look Art Deco ! Great video guys thanks x
Thanks very much Elizabethann
I like the lift; Ground floor perfumery stationery and leather goods !
For anyone interested, on Channel 5 on Friday evening (4 Sept 2020) at 20:00 there's a programme called Inside Manchester's Midland Hotel. Obviously I can't vouch for the quality or content, but may include some interesting historical bits and bobs.
Update: if you haven't watched this Channel 5 programme, save your time. It's totally rubbish. I should have guessed when I saw that it was Channel 5...
Lift and decor looks like 1930's, 40's to me, windows also. Re canal clue's in the name, Bank Mill.
If it's like Leeds, the Co-op building may be more CWS Co-op Wholesale Society warehouse rather than retail store.
Bank Mill looks like it was rebuilt in
1930's onwards.
Yeah I agree David, its not 1891
It says "Cooperative Industrial Society" on the side of that building.
Great channel and video once again Martin as I don't always comment but going back a bit to James Brindleys Wier, is episode 4 on the members section as the Medlock 10 where the Hulme lock meets the Irwell? Just out of curiosity really as always enjoy a bit of Manchester history.
Flag pole! I once had the honour of putting the flag up on the old Westfield health building in the centre of Sheffield.Definitely a 1930's art deco building. Best example being the express building in Manchester a precursor to todays glass buildings. Furious driving did an explore of an old 1930's garage which was full of history.
Super video. Love that mill the lift was astounding!
As a heads up, take care when around microwave antennas that you might find on a roof - don't get close to them. You're always sensible and respectful so you'll be fine.
Microwave transmitters can be dangerous if they're higher power and you get too close to them, usually within a few metres but it depends on the transmission power. See the guard rail on the roof (13:49 ) as an indication of a safe distance. There should also be yellow warning signs nearby that provide information if they are transmitting at potentially hazardous levels, and whilst it is boring for explorers like us, for larger towers there should ideally be no access available via secure locked doors that only the telecom company can operate. If you're not sure, just keep a distance. At close range microwave transmitters will heat human tissue, however they pose no risk once you're a few metres away as the energy dissipates. This has nothing to do with those dumb wild "theories" going about.
Also great to hear a mention about asbestos, it's fine if you don't touch it but best avoided. 👍
This video looks perfectly safe, but for further info for those doing explores, see this vid
ua-cam.com/video/ulveB1c3hCs/v-deo.html
or this doc www.firehouse.com/safety-health/article/10513827/the-facts-and-dangers-of-rooftop-transmitting-devices-on-highrise-buildings
Ahh never thought of that. Thanks very much
You're going back for a closer look at that cart wheel, aren't you? You might not realise it yet, but we all do! :D
Pretty sure it's an old cart wheel Martin :) I do love your coloured lights, really looks cool in those Victorian tunnels, the Bank Mill looks so art deco, an old Victorian mill thats had a facelift? We have an old clothing factory near me that had the same treatment
Good video
I am wondering if this build was built on the front of the old mill. Giving it a new, updated front in the 30'. Then sometime later the mill was torn down. This would explain the shape of the existing building.
Definitely a hybrid of two buildings Beer
The Pendleton Coop building has been converted into flats. I found this out in 2019 and tried to move there as I thought the building looked amazing but the letting agency told me they'd all been condemned. I didn't like to ask too much! ;-)
Martin, Head over to the Rochdale canal up from Islington marina you may get to see shooters Brook
Cartwheel, lovely art deco, technicolour drains, that's what Sunday evenings are for👍🏻 Not a good idea to trip up when on the top of a high building!!!!!!🤕🤕
Cheers Bob, yeah and that bloody Danny filmed it 😃
Well you have your pigeons lined up nicely...
From where I was standing the wheel looked like it was made of "iron" and was used to open a big valve of some sort. It was wood you say?
Yes Bill you could see the inner rim was wood
Wheels like that were made of wood with a metal tyre fitted. The tyre was heated to red heat to make it expand, placed over the wooden wheel and cooled down so it contracted and gripped the wood.
@@MartinZero well it probably is a vintage wheel then! It's diameter might give a clue to the sort of vehicle it was attached to...
@@rogerbarton497 an invention of the Celts as I dimly recall ...
Great video Martin thanks very informative as always
Cheers Andy from Dorset 🐝
Thanks very much Andy
i used too work cumberland house there used too be another building at the back that used to have cast iron pillars!! gl
Ahh right ok thats interesting. Has it changed much
nah still the same lifts ! the pointy building used too host a computer classes. them stair where from before that tho .. i think they used too make clothes and the boss had them installed upto his office!
Thanks Martin enjoyed that can i say you looked well dodgy at the start just hanging around those bushs mate ... Great video as usual keep up the good work .. regards Frank & Lee...
I always look dodgy Frank 😃
You are right about the Co-op!
It later became the legendary Queens Park Motors ..... repository of bikes and bike spares. It is now flats! The canal ran from next to the railway (to Swinton and onward, Bolton) to parallel with buildings between. The Electricity Board (ENW)Frederic Rd Depot is situated on the edge of your map between where the canal one was (now a Timber merchant) and the railway. The canal was filled in!
A lot to check out there, looking forward to it. You are a credit to your city, the council or tourist board should take you on as an ambassador.
Thank you. That would be very nice
I'd say so, too. But Manchester council are nowt but stinking suckholing vanadls!
Been looking forward to this all day!
Cheers Pal 👍
Dont know of you found it on your recce or not, but it you walk round the path round gorton resevoir, on the opposite side to the Dbdale park, you come across some objects I cant figure out, there are cast iron pipes mabe 8" bore which come out of the banks and turn 90 degrees up and stop at a large flange - also there are a couple of round stoner constructions abour 8ft diameter one is half dismantled the other in tact - alse is Kings Rd that runs up from the causeway/hyde Rd junction through the gold couse up to Droysleden - most of it original sets
When I was on the UK coast in the late 60's we called at Manchester Pomona docks frequently. There was a large building that had CWS logo which I assumed was the Coop The ladies always used to wave to us as we passed. Could this be the same building Martin?
That wheel looks like a mag wheel from a Raleigh Burner....LOL
Look at the right side of your mill, seems to me there are some additional bricks left over from another building. [Watch at the left side at 20:54... one old window / door is there, too...] what do you think about that ?
I think it may be a hybrid of two buildings
Hi martin, danny and colin. Do you think the wheel could be part of a spinning wheel ? or a cart wheel, it looked a real treasure. Great video and love the east side of manchester. The pigeons were hilarious, really enjoyed and thanks for sharing. ❤💛💚
Hello Ruth hope your well. Yeah i would love to know the history of that wheel
Those Castrol oil drums in the cellar looked interesting, looking at the logo on them that logo was used between 1946-1958 so they have possibly been down there a long time. To me the building is 1930's, please tell us its history if you find out!
That 'mill' is '20s at the earliest. The clues are the architecture (particularly the curved entrance, pure Deco) and the steel-framed windows, Crittall being the most well-known manufacturer of these (and they're still going, bless them). And the lifts - if they don't scream Art Deco then I don't know what does. Clearly the 1890s mill outlived its usefulness and this building was built on the same site.
super vid martin and wuold say late 20s or early 30s as well stay safe