Industrial Tramways, The forerunners of the Railways
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- In this video we go looking for some Industrial tramways which were the forerunners of the railways. The Industrial tramways we are looking at are the Tramways of the Caldon Low. Situated in the Churnet valley in Staffordshire England. The Tramroads of the Caldon low were built to carry limestone to the Caldon Canal. Incline planes were used to operate the trucks and of course horsepower. Built in the late 18th century these horse drawn tramways were the pioneers that would later become the railways. Just before the Industrial revolution. Our journey starts at Froghall and we venture on our historical journey to find clues of the Industrial past. John Rennie and Benjamin Outram were the engineers involved in building these victorian engineering masterpieces. We also look at Trubshaws tunnel from 1847 on the tramroad. This is a collaboration with @pwhitewick
Thanks to Paul and Rebecca for a great day. here is the link to their Channel ua-cam.com/users/pwhitewick1 Paul and Rebeccas video ua-cam.com/video/ricMjSHRuzc/v-deo.html
I like their channel too been following for a few years. Its nice to see more colabs! :)
hi m8y, ive sent you a message on facebook messanger ;-)
I went through this tunnel about 5 years ago so probably still accessible. It's much drier from the other end and gets progressively deeper in mud. There are some iron supports about midway through in a kind of box shape. Great to see it.
Awesome.... watching now. Thanks for having us along. A great day was had. Cheese and Egg all round.
Cheers folks, great day
Cheers 🧀🍳🍻
Don't see why he gave that look Cheese and Egg is great add Onion as well, NZ calling.
Just ignore him he’s weird. Nowt wrong with egg n cheese
Great to see another collaboration with the Whitewicks
About time
Another video where I'm so frustrated by our industrial history just being left to rot.... beautiful video though Mr Z, thankyou!
Thank you and yes that tunnel is just left to decay
I know you folks are passionate, but how many thousands of sites exist and which ones do you preserve vs let nature take it's couse? Seems to me this tramway, if converted to a series of maintained trails would be a welcomed walking destination. Yet once again, how many can you afford to maintain?
There's a reason it's left to rot because it's older than we are told
Seems to me, these folk built everything to last for an eternity & only destroyed by human destruction.
Another super video Martin. Good to see you and the Whitewicks joining up to make it. Just a note - Froghall is pronounced 'Frogall', and the railway in the Churnet Valley north from Froghall station does still exist - as the heritage Churnet Valley Railway. I am a volunteer signalman at Consall, the next station up the valley from Froghall and a very beautiful spot only accessible by train, by canal, or by a tortuous narrow dead-end road down into the valley. If you are ever there while I'm on duty, come into the 'box for a cuppa.
Later, a standard gauge railway was built from the Churnet valley Line at Leekbrook Junction to Cauldon Lowe quarries to bring the limestone out which spelled the end of the tramways. That railway still exists as part of the heritage Churnet Valley railway as far as Ipstones. Interestingly, the light railway order that authorised that covered the line from Stoke to Leekbrook and Leekbrook to Cauldon as single track standard gauge, and onwards via Waterhouses to Hulme end as narrow gauge, the long lost manifold valley line, now a cycleway / footpath
On this weeks show, Paul pokes a stick into the ground, Rebecca shows us some cold chips and Martin does a lot of huffing and puffing. Great stuff Martin. Cheers
Hi martin just watched your tramways video with paul and Rebecca very interesting to see the old tunnels that was part of our past glad that you didn't get stuck in the mud but the only thing I thought wasn't right was the egg and cheese buttie but each to there own well looking forward to more see you later ......
Chip buttie, food of gods.
I read this in Richard Hammond's voice for some reason.
Absolutely amazing you were able to find that old photo of the drum atop those foundations that are still there. Love your videos Martin!
Thanks very much
I love the way you go quiet when showing something special. The architecture speaks for itself very eloquently.
one thing i love about the uk is every 80 miles or so the accent changes and bread rolls have a different name!
Buns mate, they're buns. 😆
@@nelztunes3018 clearly barms /barmcakes
@@JonnyInfinite I thought I'd escaped the eternal bun/roll/barm, etc, debate when I moved to Germany, but it also rages here. I knew it as Brötchen, "small bread", but where I live in Bavaria it's called Semmel. It's still a bun though, the baker in Happy Families wasn't called Mr Barm Cake. 😆
@@nelztunes3018 The buns in the video would be called Kaiser rolls in some parts of the USA. German heritage?
@@christophermatthews6972 It is indeed. The bakeries here have dozens of different rolls/buns, but the bog standard no frills one is called a Kaiser Semmel.
Three of my favorite people all together on a Sunday afternoon! I was wondering why I got two notifications simultaneously 😁
Cheers Daniel
I love these crossover videos, huge fan of both channels
Thank you Jane
The music on your channel is consistently sublime. The best soundtracked UA-cam channel I have come across
Thanks very much Chris
Thank you Martin, another really good film and a collaboration with the lovely Paul and Rebecca, what a Sunday treat. I like to see lime kilns built today last as long as the ones you discovered at Froghall. The vintage photograph of the incline lifting gear was brilliant, what a contraption, but once again, it worked. The dressed stone on the arches and bridges as well as the beautiful tunnel was a joy. I laughed about the egg and cheese bap, still trying to work out if I can accept that as an option. Best wishes to all three of you. Nick.
The narrow canals and locks, in England, are fascinating to me. I'm a retired Civil Engineer and find that the genius of 200+ years ago is incredible. BTW, Mary Mansfield just did a tour of a canal this week.
For the fun of it, you could measure the thread pitch when you run into old anchor bolts. In the US, we didn't really standardized threads until WWII. Many companies had their own thread pitches so that you had to buy parts from them. In some cases, the pitch allows you to date and know the manufacturer. Among my old tools, from the 1960s, are part of a set of Witworth sockets and wrenches(NEVER LOAN TOOLS!). I owned MGs and Triumphs in those days. SAE tools wouldn't work and confused me at first.
Thanks for another very interesting visit. It was smart to not go into that culvert. Stupidity can be very painful. Good Luck, Rick
Thank you Rick. Whitworth street Manchester 👍
Another interesting video Thank you Martin, Paul and Rebecca.
Great video, loved that intricate masonry on the tunnel entrance!
That drum had an obvious cable from the bottom, but also one at the top, so it looks like it was a 2 line balance system, heavy wagons go down one line pulling the empty ones up, that explains the brake men
I thik it was the angle rails that trevithick used to demonstrate his steam locomotive from merthyr tydfil to cardiff/barry docks (you should look on railmaps at the old dock railways, there's loads of lines)
However, the locomotive broke the rails, but it was still the start of steam locomotion.
That tunnel alrewady had mist, you don't know what was in the mist, safest to stay out.
Thanks, yeah loved the drum
we have a passenger tram in the city I'm from that is 2 on a single cable, so as one goes down it hauls the other up. most of the tracks length is just single track and then in the middle it splits apart and goes in to 2 tracks for the trams to pass. This will involve switching of some sort, whereas the 3 rail example in this video wont require switches at the passing point. you just have that middle rail sort of widen into 2 rails so you have 4 rails where you want the trams to pass.
Thanks Martin, truly impressive build upon these Tunnels. Was amazed around the 25min mark. That entrance/exit was well built & excellently engineered.
No possibility of being re-purposed, that's a shame. Good view, thanks to you.
Great collab Martin! These videos of out-of-the-way places, rivers, tunnels and artefacts are an enjoyment to watch. Keep safe, from Florida in the U.S.
Excellent collaboration, Martin, and a that's a top shirt, chief. Beautiful day for it, too. Nice one.
Hottest day, about 29
I'm now worried that James has seen this, and will be providing cheese 'n' egg sarnies for your next expedition. Still better than coftea, though.
Hi Martin, wow just wow, what an awesome and very interesting video. I loved listening to the history and seeing the old photographs too but the 1779 bridges and the Trubshaw tunnel was just amazing to see. The Trubshaw tunnel is just stunning when you consider how many bricks it would have taken to build and how many workers that would have been needed to get the job done, an awesome feat for it's day. You definitely took the right decision in not going into the tunnel though as that is the kind of mud that would let you sink down but getting your foot back out would have been near impossible.
Another awesome video from you, I thoroughly enjoyed watching so thank you for all your hard work to make the video possible and thank you also to the lovely couple who gave us the history of the area. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx 💖
Wonderful collaboration Martin.
Martin I am constantly surprised anew at the sheer beauty of where you live and ramble!
Fantastic stuff. Little bits of encapsulated history that you might find in a book but brought to life be your visits. Many thanks guys!
The cow was the true hero of this weeks video. Loved it.
She was
nice collaboration with the Whitewicks. it’s amazing how two people can have the same video shots of the same locations and tell different stories but with the same enthusiasm and understanding.
Brilliant video, brilliant guests. Loved the pic of the drum, well found. It's a batch here in Coventry!
Will enjoy this later. Thanks Martin and the Whitewicks.
Cheers Neil
Fascinating exploration of the early phases of rail transportation! The old photo's were fantastic. Well done to you and the Whitewick's.
Hurrah, my favourite 2 channels together :) If you've not heard of it, we have the worlds first tramway bridge here, Causey Arch, built in the 1700s. There had been a recent bridge collapse when he built it and the arcitect thought his would collapse so jumped off the top and killed himself. It's still standing now. Yes, being British, it's important and becoming a tradition of your videos to show your tea. Wow, worth the effort just to see into that portal, no chance I'd go inside though, very sinky! Such a shame that tunnel is abandoned, but at the same time, it's abandonment makes it all the more beautiful, would love to see that.
Another great video thanks Martyn. Really enjoyed that
Thanks Mat
As ever, Martin, quality, excellent quality. But where's James with the tea?
1sr class as always martin and a big thanks equally to Mr and Mrs Whytwick xxx
That tunnel was just fantastic, what an amazing thing just sitting there, gently decaying. I absolutely don't blame you for not going in; I think I'd have stayed back with the gear and a sandwich...
I wanted to go in but got caught out in the cutting and nearly got stuck
@@MartinZero Yikes. I see now why you were so reluctant!
Boy am I late, Just got home, cold coffee and all.... Great intro and drone work as usual. The arch stonework is top-notch craftsmanship, art of sorts. Look like a great lunch, wish I was there. That refuge look a bit deep into the wall, maybe it was something else like a walk way into a store room, just thinking. Thanks to you and team Whitewick the for all your work....
Next time going in the wet without waders, you might consider removing your socks. Dumping the water out of your shoes, letting them drain for a minute and your feet to dry in the sun, then putting on dry socks makes the rest of the hike much more comfortable (but obviously the socks will get wet - yet not as wet as yours got while wading).
Great video, so enjoy seeing and listening to the history.
Froghall and the surrounding area is so full of industrial archeology and history. It’s a fascinating area. Once I discovered it I returned several times to explore in different directions. Thanks for this video.
Superb Martin! Local to me that was, and there was so much more history around you to film another time! Hopefully!.a solid 10
I love our country's hidden history
And Martin's t-shirt!
I don't recognize it, please enlighten me?
@@danq.5140 the t-shirt has the symbol of Thunderbirds, a kids TV show done with puppets
@@ashbolight Wow, I'm very surprised I didn't recognise it. Thanks.
No problem!
Another brilliant video, and co-incidentaly I was near Cauldon Low last week, looking at Ribden Mine, a disused lead mine.
Great video!! love the lost tramways - Great collab
Glad you persevered to the tunnel entrance. Beautiful entrance.
Quintuple wythe! Such a handsome entrance. So well built. Beautiful.
Only discovered this channel yesterday. Bloody brilliant. Keep up the great work!
Enjoyable collaboration investigating an interesting topic.
Similar Tramway that I pass quite often close to Manchester, Tramway from Dove-hole village near Buxton down to the Peak Forrest Canal at Buxworth basin near Whaley bridge. There is good research as well on the tramway
Wow the brickwork of the tunnel. What a reward!!
Enjoyed the video martin, those cottages were beautiful! 🔴🟡🟢
Lots of tramways in my bit of s/ York’s , one at silkstone used small square blocks under the rails instead of sleepers which are still there and a replica tramway wagon stands on a plinth in silkstone village , in a wood near stainborough there is a tramway tunnel but the entrance is gated off but you can see into it , while building the m1 they found a stash of tramway wagon wheels, think most were to get coal to canal basins from collieries.
I'm from The USA and i Love the History Thanks for Sharing.
A very interesting video, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
We say Cobs in Leicestershire 😆
Good to see you with Paul & Rebecca, they do some great videos as well...😀👍👍
Great to see this collaboration. Interesting to see both your versions of a fascinating subject. BTW Martin - egg and cheese go reasonably well together even in Manchester: scrambled egg with cheese, cheese omelette.
Fabulous. So interesting. Fantastic filming. Really appreciate all the exploring you do on our behalf. Brilliant vlog as always.
Thank you Shirley
Martin your intro photography is beautiful! Loved the whole vid. Too bad the tunnel was so full of mud. It looked very interesting and so well built.
Great show comedy and all. Meriden, Kansas
wonderful adventure and the runnel architecture was splendid.
The tunnel is beautiful! The architecture is a sight! Wish we had work like this today…
What a great episode. Happy to see Paul And Rebecca as I watch there videos also! England is such a lovely country! Great Video Martin!
Great video Martin and nice to see Paul and Rebecca xxx
Just incredible and what a real treat walking the historical pathway where those trams used to run. The music during the Trubshaw tunnel tour was perfect. Quick Google search yielded some photos from inside the tunnel from others that have visited it when the mud wasn't so bad.
Great video with the collaboration of the Whitewicks, I love how you found the old photo's of the drum that was on those foundations. It's hard to believe the age of those tram ways and how long they was. Shame about the tunnel but the entrance was worth seeing all the same what a lovely piece of engineering with six layers of brick making the portal up. I agree it was way too dangerous to enter the tunnel hence like you said not fenced off.
Stunning history,beautiful scenery, thanks for the video, safety first!
Great to see you slowly coming south Martin carry on working your way closer to the Midlands and Birmingham there’s plenty of History here for you to investigate, but if you can’t I’ll still keep watching. 👍
I'd love to visit
@@MartinZero I agree, I might be getting ahead of myself here, but it would be fascinating to see more urbanex across Yorkshire and down to Nottingham. You have totally hooked me on the history of Manchester, next time I get over to the UK we'll be spending our time in the north!
It blows my mind how many historical structures are left waiting for nature to reclaim it , how much blood sweat and tears have gone into creating such amazing things
Yeah we keep finding em tucked away
Great History! Amazing how you found the photo of the incline cable wheel, and whats left of the foundation now! always nice to see you exploring with the Whitewicks too! When you think about how many people it took to build and run them all those years ago!
Yes, that photo was amazing.
Crikey - three of my favourite UA-camrs on one video! Thunderbirds are go!
Cheers Simon
Nice work m8, know I know the name Froghall. Colin and Shaun have been there, but its back before that even. Back, I'm guessing in my WW1 reading maybe. Thanks Paul an Rebecca. Barmby Moore. Good stuff, you an yours stay safe an well
Walked the tunnel about 15 years ago, from the otherend, the silt is not so deep at that end, and came out at your end, all the way through you could feel a very hard surface underneath the silt, so it is do able, worth going back and having another go, there are some strengtherners mid way through what are interesting.
I think the history is beautifully told, I enjoy it.
my three favourite explorers together,i am in heaven ,well done to you all.
Great video as usual. What a difference a hundred years makes! Fantastic photos of the past.
On parts of this very interesting video Martins hand and arm movements match perfectly with the international rescue top he is wearing in the Brook I could almost hear that famous theme tune 😀
martin and whitewicks perfect sunday viewing
What a brilliant video very interesting Martin, Paul and Rebecca all set in a beautiful landscape, looks like you had a fun time and I feel I have had a lovely walk. That's it brew time I'm tired out!
You, Paul and Rebecca make an exellent team. Hope to see more combined projects from you in the future. Thank you for taking us along!
Thanks Bent
Great adventure! Thank you all!
Great bit of cooperation between you guys
Glad you've been getting sun shine Martin it's been nothing but rain in the west Midlands , I think summer forgot about us, can't say I blame him really lol.
Another great video between Martin and the whitwicks
Thanks Johnathan
Great video Martin, fascinating tunnel as well, so well built
That was very interesting!
I want to go in." Why are we not surprised? I couldn't catch Paul's response, but I can imagin it. :) Thanks for the laughs, guys. Brilliant collab.
Thank you sir
Love that portal. a 5 ring, corbelled and bullnose brickwork arch. They never made anything just plain, did they? I hope someone restores that soon before time takes too much of a toll. Great video as well, enjoyed the tea break particularly! :) It's just a bread roll ;)
Yep lovely tunnel alas crumbling
Great video, many thanks from us in Canada. Mrs. Whitewick is always looking effortlessly nice. Prof. Paul always impresses with his research. The three of you work so hard and diligently to educate and inform us.
Thank you all for sharing, loved thé nature and thé old story with thé tunnels, so awesome to see, loved it all. Roos 🙋🏻♀️👊🏻💪🏻🤗😊
Another wonderous video! Loved it
Thank you
Cracking vid, think Paul and Rebecca are awesome too - already subbed to their channel for a while. Loved seeing that tunnel at the end, what an impressive structure! You're absolutely right, you can't risk it with all that mud and possible gasses!
Another great video Martin
you should do a series on train/tram accidents on these old lines..
Good idea
Great video friend thank you 😊
Great bit of research Martin, finding that photo of the winding drum. I bet there was a whoop of delight when you discovered that one. I'm always amazed at the photos that can be found on the internet. The old google search doesn't always help; it's often the much smaller, more obscure "hits" that yield the best results when I'm rummaging.
On a far more serious note: you're missing out on some seriously pukka food by dismissing egg n cheese. Grated cheese, over scrambled egg on toast, is a rare pleasure. Try chopping a hardboiled egg into macaroni cheese - a festival of cheesey, eggy goodness. There are much more obvious examples though - cheese omelette anyone? 👍👌😁
Cheers for now,
Dougie.
You should write a cookbook 😉
@@MartinZero Martin, there's so many cookbooks out there now, I gave up reading them. There's only so many ways to cook a pound of mince, or a plate of sausages, and I think they've 𝒂𝒍𝒍 been covered multiple times. 😁
Most of what I cook these days are either old family recipes or so simple that they don't need a recipe. Tucked away in the Highlands, with only a crappy local Co-op, we can't get anything fancy anyway, so it's scrambled egg, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑒𝑠𝑒, for the foreseeable future.😂
Wow that's some find from Mr & Mrs whitewick interesting video that Martin I like finding things like that or a ruined building finding out the history it's amazing how much gems are hidden in the country until there found keep up the good work m8 👍
Thanks very much Thomas
@@MartinZero your welcome m8 👍
Thanks again Martin. I totally understand your not wanting to go into the deep mud. You could have called International Rescue, Thunderbirds are go aren't they?? Loved the T shirt. I made my son a Thunderbirds outfit when he was young he loved it.
As usual, Mr. Zero, another fact filled gem of forgotten industrial architecture presented in your unique style, with my other 2 favourite 'You Tubers', the Whitewicks. You really should get together & do a regular explore as you both have a unique style, you with your 'Let's Get In There' & show the intricate details way, & the 'Professor,' with his in-depth knowledge & research of the subject in hand, would really complement each other. So, well done on this one, for another fascinating look at how things were done back in the day, & look forward to more from you in future.
As with me, I see lockdown's done you no favours, with those few pounds you've gained, which I'm sure you'll soon lose, once you get your a*se back in the exploration saddle again, me 'ol m8. Regards......Urban Geeze.
Fascinating, and good cooperation there!
Thanks Michael
Fantastic video, so different to the Whitewicks one, just loved it. That stonework on tunnels was gorgeous such a shame you couldn’t go in. Mind you if you had gone in and got stuck being me I would have really laugh 😂. Glad you safe tho. Thanks so much for taking me along. Please stay safe and take care
I just answered a comment where someone said they did get stuck. Bloody horrendous
Poor buggar
Brilliant Video, loved the lime kilns but with Staffordshire it's more Bottle Kilns which made Potteries so seeing some different kind of Kilns in Staffordshire is brilliant to see. Shame you couldn't get into the tunnel but don't blame you to be honest.
Good one, more please.