Tasmanian Tiger (Thylacine) filmed in 2023 on the mainland? 1080p
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2023
- 1:11 A Fox
6:30 A Thylacine (Mainland Tiger)?
8:53 Barking.
11:49 A Fox
Drone footage of a fox, a Tasmanian Tiger (Thylacine) and a fox filmed on the 9th March 2023 in Gippsland on Australia's mainland in 1080p HD.
Nothing has been edited or cut, with live commentary!
A bloke by the name of Peter contacted me yesterday (29th May 2024) of a very good Thylacine sighting that he had on the previous night at 23:00hr (28th May 2024) - it transpires that his sighting wasn't that far as the crow flies from this vidoe footage. Peter couldn't get over how prominent the 6 dark stripes were along it's back. The Thylacine was greyhound like with a 600-1,000mm long stiff tail, held out rigidly behind it. Peter also should be contacting Neil Waters (TOGOA) so hopefully there is a interview uploaded at some point 👍
Edited - ua-cam.com/video/rzv0pTtDucs/v-deo.htmlsi=c255RQ2nNixKlIZa Neil Waters Interview.
I watched the thylacine portion of your video on various speeds and zoomed quite a bit. Pretty good evidence, especially the way the animal moved. I was not expecting to see that. Thanks for all the hard work. This can’t be easy.
The darting and stopping is very feline like....
Like a giant house cat definitely a predator
Could be a Spotted Tail Quoll
@@milanstupar3020 interesting video either way…
Congratulations christian. Awesome news.🎉
Wow, that thing was quick. Seemed to be jumping or loping
I described it as bounding when filming it, Tasmanian Devils have a bounding gait with running see here; mobile.twitter.com/davidghamilton1/status/1153184234590183424?lang=da
Hi Guys, back in 1995, Margaret River area Western Australia on Rosa Brook Rd, me and two mates had to brake our car suddenly, nearly hit a thylacine BOUNDING across the road from left to right with CLEAR STRIPES, RIGID TAIL, WEIRD BACK LEGS, STRANGE BOUNDING RUN. Just near there, in The Devils Lair Cave, the mummified remains of thylacines were found, and farmers complain of their sheep getting killed by them, hundreds of sightings and tracks. The three of us all saw the same animal. There's no reason to try to artificially bring them back when they never even left. Mainland and all. Long live the Thylacines.
Thanks for telling us that great sighting they are certainly around that area. Have you read Sid Slee's booklet on the 'Haunt for the Marsupial Wolf" it goes through the account of Thylacines on his farm, and his interaction with the government. Also interesting is his use of the Aboriginal tracker, Cameron who later had images published in Nature (after being employed by Alcoa). Interesting to me anyway, when you join the dots on who Sid Slee contacted in the government about Thylacines and then later who in the government signed off on Bauxite mining by Alcoa in the south west. And subsequently the rubbishing of Cameron's reputation of a tracker and a man. Nothing is as precious as a hole in the ground.
I sure have read Sid Slee's book. His Grand Daughter Wendy is a friend of mine. An amazing photographer. The day we nearly hit a thylacine with our car, opened my eyes and my mind. I live in Dandenong now. That's amazing about the tracks too. After reading Sid's book, ( I was living near Margaret River) I started finding the distinctive tracks in soft powdery sand in and around hotspots. Nothing else makes those tracks. I was thrilled to see your drone footage. You guys are the only mob that I've shared that account with. I can clearly remember the scream sounds they make too, at night. I'm a Wongatha Woman. My country is the Goldfields WA. Our people know too.All the best 😎 PS, kangaroos carcasses with just the head eaten off..hmm, seen that near Busselton.
sorry for not getting back to you sooner @genevieveforrest9594 funny thing is I notice that a lot of these sightings are usually near strange place names, Devils Lair Cave, devils creek, etc. In the area where I got the drone footage I was able to obtain a old map of the area - low and behold - wild dog creek. Can you describe the screams, I've heard their yap-yips, but I've heard a deep yodelling noise given off on exiting a forest (haven't a clue what it was - sounded big). cheers, Christian
I'm on these Thylacine videos because of a show called 60 Minutes talked about them. Apparently they've added to this species to the search project much like for Sasquatch species. If They do confirm that these creature exist and are alive there will be a preserve mandate for the region. Gotta protect the animals if they're found.
@@StephEWaterstram I hope they aren’t extinct, I would love to work in a reserve for them if they ever find any real ones
Back in 2001 my wife and I took the kids on a trip to Tasmania. While on the road between Strahan and Queenstown on the west coast, both my wife and I clearly saw a large dog like animal come out of the bush, cross the road and, with one leap, climb up the embankment (at least 2 - 2.5 metres high) on the other side. Unfortunately, it was too far away & too quick to get a detailed look but, the animal in question was too big to be a feral cat or dog. Until my dying day, I'm convinced that what we saw was a Thylacine. True story.
Two witness' wow what a great sighting. Something that will now live with you both forever. So many sightings, not sure but must be the 10 of thousands now. I've had quite a few recent ones in Victoria reported to me in the last month.
Life finds a way. 👍
@@ambiguousworld What with so much of Tasmania uninhabited & untouched by human hands, I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Thylacine is still out there somewhere.
Not just Tasmania@bradwilliams1691 the whole of Australia. Wither they were introduced on the mainland or always been here (I truly believe the later) they're still holding on in there.
Lol you posted this story in a Neil Waters comment section long time ago. Hopefully it’s true!!
In 2010 mid November around 7.30pm i saw what looked like a striped animal in Strahan also crossing the road and canter down onto the other side. It looked injured.it was medium to large it looked quickly as i approached it with the car and i saw its eyes light up like jewels freaky stuff..
Watch the very start of the run, the front skip hop motion then suddenly top speed.
No kangaroo, dog, cat, fox or rabbit does this.
Don't disclose the area, keep it a secret otherwise everyone will be there.
You left out a hare.
SuperGravey, left out a hate as hares don't have long tails. The images of the animal have been independently analysed (not by me) and the head is ~230mm long, the height ~430mm and the tail ~400mm. All easily done with the exact measurements of the water trough.
Please, show me an image of hare with a tail that long and I might start agreeing with you 🤣
Thylacine for sure!!!!
Hopping, bouncing, on two then 4 legs.
It was extremely fast and you had a comparison to the fox straight away which is extremely important.
Strooth, that's two this year, very clear images via thermal camera.
Looks like a fox to me
I think you've nailed it Mr Ambiguous
Loz, thanks for the lovely comment. As some one that actively goes out and tries to find these beautiful creatures and passes on their thoughts and advice (many long hours discussing Thylacine and Thylacoleo behaviours) it means so much to me. Here's to finding Cleo next ;-)
That’s the foxiest fox I’ve ever seen.
Yeah the fox at the start and end is pretty dam foxy.
Very bouncy-gait indeed.
Paused it on 0.25 speed, in several pauses u can see a very straight tail and before it starts running u can see it stand on 2 feet.
It certainly does @AE-321 not canine in any way. Great observations thanks for spending the time to review the footage. 👍
Very interesting and great effort!
I’ve seen a thylacine bounding full speed before.
I’d say most likely that’s what you were filming
It was jumping for sure.
They are elusive and extremely agile when startled and will get up on two legs and bounce when they are alarmed. The way it ran darting to the left and to the right in different directions whilst bounding is certainly what they do known as a bipedal hop.
Only something with a big kangaroo like tale can do that to propel it bipedal darting a bit to the left and right.
It requires an animal to have a type of balance to hop like that.
Also I don’t think it stayed under that tree it would of kept moving into the forest. Same way it ran to water trough then darted away. Most likely would of done the same thing once it got to the tree.
Good work boys.
Thanks for the taking the time to comment Andrew. It was 100% something that I've never filmed before (IMO) hopefully next time I can get the spotlight on it and remove all doubt.
i think it was one too,i think it must have shot down its den in near the tree,else we would have seen it trying to slip off into the woods?
I replayed this video at .25 speed, on a 40" TV that I use as my monitor. The default setting for the video quality automatically goes to 720p. I tried increasing it to 1080p, but it gets blurry. I can clearly see that the animal bounds when it runs. Foxes and dingoes, or domestic dogs wouldn't run like a kangaroo bounds. Also, I caught a few glimpses of a very long, straight tail sticking back, and not a curvy, fluffy looking tail. I also couldn't help but notice, all of the animals seemed clearly aware of the drone and somewhat bothered by its presence. This type of searching may take an ultra-quiet drone and there might not be one made that is quiet enough, unless it is made by a defense contractor for government/military use.
Thanks @christopherparsons3224 for the review of the footage. It's strange it's only playing for you in 720p as it was filmed in 1080p and uploaded in 1080p too (I can watch it in 1080p by going to settings). The drone has the latest and greats "silent" propellers which are a millions times quieter than the ones that came with it, but still not silent. I would point out that some times it is actually beneficial to have some noise because it can be a bit tricky to identify an animal if it doesn't move. I feel that having a longer battery life (especially when you're using the spotlight) would be far more advantageous.
@@ambiguousworld , I will try again in 1080p and it may make a difference that I am in full screen, instead of the normal video window. I would say it is the motors that they hear.
thanks for footage :)
You are both committed, good one
you deleted your last comment Jennifer, why?
Sorry i don't think this is a Thylacine, the gait isn't bouncy enough and the body too short. If it was a Thylacine it would have looked more like a big cat and not like a fox/dog in terms of body proportion.
Fair enough Vin, but you do know that they don't grow length wise until they get to a certain age? To me the Thylacine in the zoo's don't look anything cat like or move like a cat? Convergent evolution made them look like a dog, hence some of the names they were called marsupial wolf, Tasmanian wolf, swamp dogs, native hyena, dog-faced dasyurus, dog-headed opossum etc
@@ambiguousworld I get it, my first initial reaction from looking at it is it had the same shape as the other 2 foxes... I wonder how many of these names were due to the head shape solely? Certainly quite a few. If you look at some of the zoo footage you will see it has agility and reflexes more cat like than dog like... Also it is important to note they would hunt more like cats, by ambushing their preys and grabbing them from behind, hence the stripes for camouflage as well.
@@VinsUplifting from my experience Vin in Gippsland, they hunt in many different ways, mostly with their nose to the ground, in pursuit. Their stripes along with the fawn colour is perfect for Gippsland's summer grass, where they actively round up roos and pick off the weak and joeys using their yap yap communications (which is quite dog like in my view). Grabbing their prey as you said is very cat like, hence the 5th claw. They will, depending on the time of year ambush animals in the bush or ducks in our dams and waterways, again using their camouflaged stripes and colour in the reeds that line the water. I think you are thinking too much about what they did in their zoo pens it doesn't really represent what I see in real life.
Experiences can come in all sorts of different ways TRF, Physical Experience, Mental Experience., Emotional Experiences, Social Experiences, Immediacy of Experience and Subjectivity of Experiences. And you're correct I haven't seen all this behaviour personally, a lot of it is pieced together from talking with Gippsland farmers, actively tracking the animal, and looking at the evidence. I find this to be more appropriate then just studying the animal from a few short clips in the Hobart zoo. I obviously think the animals is still around, as I've seen it. This might be my downfall, as I actually believe my own eyes as they still work great and I get paid for wait I see (job wise).
Not sure why I would remove your comment, VinUplifting were having a adult discussion and there is plenty of opposing opinions, Only comments that get removed are from multiple account holders.
Actually when the animal reverses direction from the water tank the video shows the animal has an elongated body, at least not a short torso.
A shame you could not get a good clear image of it, but man that thing moves fast and all over the place too. I'd so love to see that tail clearly and the stripes.
Yeah @martinavaslovik3433 it was a shame the animal was so fast, I had the spotlight on but couldn't use like I do on foxes (to practice as I can identify them pretty quickly now). Thanks for the comment.
@@ambiguousworld YW, and I really hope the thylacine is still out there, I am optimistic that it is and I like that you are doing this work, it's the best I've yet seen on the hunt for it.
I’m a true believer that there out there, although my opinion is this looks like a dingo
We have a poster on here Nathan who has reared both Dingo and dog, and he doesn't believe it's either from the running style. I haven't filmed or seen a dingo in this area although they are most likely be around so I can obviously never discount it. Thanks for spending the time to comment much appreciated 👍
Im no expert but when I first watched this I didn't think anything of it. The second time, I did see it hop rather than strides in a full blown sprint. Then it disappeared into that tree. I then remembered hearing something said from that Biologist Forrest something. That thylacine would live in burrowed out trees. So maybe that's it's den!?
This is definitely some clear solid evidence, no cuts no fancy editing, just raw evidence, I'm no expert but compared to the other animals movements in the clip, it's definitely strange and unlike the others, very erradic, awesome footage though, would have been exciting for sure
Thanks for the comment, I agree with you completely. Especially as we now have a canine recorded running in the same area in ua-cam.com/video/ic4sAbg6fKg/v-deo.html to compare it too.
@ the 6:30 mark, The "thylacine" headed over to the water trough then to the fence, then went under the bushes along the edge of the road @ 7:33. As the drone passed over the top of the tree the subject can be seen moving to the left of screen. A wild dog?
Seems like Bigfoot could be located the same way.
Fox and Rabbit without doubt !!! Thylacine moves very differently [Plantigrade] !!!
A rabbit without doubt??? I find a hard to believe it's a rabbit due to it's size, the water trough measures in at 900mm from the top to the ground (the cows have worn away the ground by 10mm around the 800mm trough). Most people estimate the animal at around ~450mm max. According to the internet ( lol) European rabbits which are the common rabbit here in oz have a maximum shoulder height of 229mm - which would make your rabbit one of the biggest ever. I've filmed lots of rabbits and foxes, don't think I've ever seen a lone rabbit in a middle of a paddock they most keep around the fences - so they are close to safety. In my latest video ---> ua-cam.com/video/tH-_s2l_MCk/v-deo.html I film a rabbit hiding under a 450mm (measured) water trough for you to compare. Please let me know if you still think it's a rabbit after watching, I'm interested to know.
Tell me more about the Plantigrade running style, have you seen Thylacines running? I'm guessing it's the back legs that are plantigrade and the front digitigrade?
I’m sure you know exactly how it. Lol!
Hard to tell scale, what are the dimensions of that cylindrical object (water trough?) the purported 'thylacine' runs by? The speed and bounding gait make it look like something smaller than a thylacine.
The water trough is 800mm high. I got a photo of it the other day with measurements. I will load up asap.
Very intriguing footage. I have never seen a fox move like that before, and I have no doubt that it was a quadraped. I like to believe they are still out there and truly think they are. I stated most of this in a reply already, but i wish we could've gotten a look at the height of it's heels.
Glad you enjoyed it, if it had slowed down at all I probably could have. Fast!
This is great! can you tell me what kind of drone and camera equipment you use. Would love one of these :))
dji enterprise advanced, I have really liked it. However, would have loved active track on it, which is a huge let down.
@@ambiguousworld look like so much fun, I think the 30T has the active track you are talking about.
@@ambiguousworld Excellent job mate As you know cats return to the same place I'm sure you'll get more footage
Yep, a thylosene. I can imagine that.
It's amazing what people who watch footage like this will explain away the animal as. A Fox, maybe. A rabbit, what? Baby kangaroo? Are these people serious? This is actually pretty cool footage and I commend you for getting it because it's a lot better than a blurry Neil Waters photo. This animal has that signature marsupial rocky bound to their run and walk.
To anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, look up Tasmanian devils running footage and you'll see they rock when they run. But yeah, awesome footage and this is the fastest I've ever seen a thylacine on footage go.
I understand why people try and pigeon hole the animal into something they know. There isn't any videos of Thylacine's running and all they have to go on is the few seconds of footage of them walking around a pen in hobart zoo. Also there is lots of diverse historical accounts of the Thylacine being a slow animal, using pursuit as it's hunting tactic. Which could be quite correct however at some point the animal has to pounce and grab it's prey, and speed is usually the best weapon at this point. I've never been a believer that the Thylacine is slow, on the contrary I think (with experience of seeing their tracks and evidence like this video footage) that it's capable of very fast speeds aided by it extremely powerful back legs. A fully grown red kangaroo has a top speed of ~70 km/h and a bound of 7m, no point being slow if you want to feed off them!!!
Between 7mins 52 seconds
and 7 mins 54 seconds it is seen moving away at the bottom left of the screen parallel to the fence line.
If you look close enough you will see the movement passing through a bush or tree.
If I didn’t notice it move in that direction past the entrance of the concrete pipes that allow water to flow under the roads,
One could have speculated that it went in through the concrete pipe and hid it self. However I’ve taken a lot of notice that in most sightings that they use catchments to hunt and most sightings happen when the thylacine doesn’t go under the road through the man made pipes they go over the road instead and that’s when they get seen and sightings take place. This is common in many documented sightings I’ve only heard of one where it went over the road then was seen then went off the road shoulder then though a concrete pipe then back under the road in the direction it came from. That’s cheeky as fuck if true.
Seems they constantly reposition then conceal then reposition again.
As seen in this clip.
It goes from the water trough then hides
Then to the tree then hides
Then goes down the fence line and hides. Perhaps if it went back to the pipe and hid as they are under ground dwellers if you weren’t out of range and were close enough to hover a drone at both ends of the pipe till you block of both sides.
Then you would have a live specimen,
If people donate 10 million in funding towards cloning whats a live one worth lol.
If one knows how they operate perhaps there’s a better chance to capture one.
All live specimens were once trapped at some stage.
I didn’t notice in 200 comments anyone mention the concrete pipes that go under the road. I’d assume if a car pulled up though it would probably run.
Anyway this one moved so quick that I assume it was the larger species that is more agile. The ones reported as greyhound shape. They move quick as fuck and bounce at full speed.
Sadly Andrew, I was a bit giddy with excitement, I'm sure you could understand as I knew what I was filming.
In my defence, I was on my last battery out of 6 but still pulled up and had a look. Only when reviewing the footage later on a big screen (the drone screen is only size of a mobile phone) did I see it going down the drainage channel. I believed it went into the tree at the time There was no point going back as I had no more batteries left and it was late and had a 2hr drive back home.
I bumped into the farmer who owns the property I filmed this on earlier this month. I will update you on that when we catch up. Very interesting 🤔
Agree with everything you say about drainage channels, pipes, waterways and creeklines - clear patterns of movement.
Happy Christmas to you mate. 🌲
@@ambiguousworld
Yeah mate this footage is awesome it helps validate the photos of my sighting and vice versa that thylacines can bipedal hop at full speed.
If you noticed it seems it’s speed picked up once the bipedal hops were performed.
As mentioned on Wikipedia in relation to bipedal hops “Guiler speculates this was used as an accelerated form of motion when the animal became startled”
Point is this behaviour has been documented in the past and I’m sure your drone startled it.
As a whiteness in my sighting they move incredibly fast and perform bipedal hops at FULL speed.
This footage is great and demonstrates that.
Hard to discern the exact species you filmed as it appears there is an overlapping range of both species here in Vic.
The one I Photographed was certainly the larger species more commonly described as a greyhound shape.
Longer legs pointy ears and so forth.
I’d guess the greyhound shape ones would cover more distance, speed and bipedal hops further apart than the Tasmanian breed which has the short stumpy legs and smaller hocks.
I’m curious what your one is.
One thing I can say for sure is I’ve photographed that exact same bipedal hop at full speed just like your footage and seen it with my own eyes too.
That’s exactly what they do. Bounce bounce bounce.
In one of my photos the last half of the tail the camera couldn’t pick up as it must use it’s tail like a whip to propel itself in bipedal hops whilst bouncing full speed. They don’t have that big ass tail for no reason.
Look forwards to catching up cheers.
I hope they are still out there,,,I can't see why they are not still running around..Tassie still has a fair bit of unexplored territory..
You're telling me all the technology we have nowadays. You're not able to zoom in with your drone and actually be able to see what the f*** it is
The drone is DJI Mavic 2 Enterprise Advanced - you can zoom in with white (normal) light which is irrelevant at night, the "thermal" has no zoom. The drone is now a few years old, not sure if any of the newer ones can zoom in, I haven't looked. In this case, as you have seen, the animal moved very fast - zig zagging around that I couldn't even get the spotlight on (which I could easily get on the fox earlier,) I'm sure even if I had the zoom I wouldn't have used it as I would have lost the Thylacine (for the brief time I saw it).
Did you follow up with examining the area for tracks? Getting some good castings with video footage would support your case even more.
The farmer who owns this property (been in his family for 150yrs+) says he gets Thylacines and Devils passing through his property (not often mind). He has given up telling the authorities. I haven't had time due to Family and work commitments to get the drone out again down there (plus I have other area where I find it easier to find prints and tracks), but he has seen the footage and says it's a Thylacine too. He has welcomed me to prove that the Thylacine still exists on his land. Other than this video these below are from a 500m radius (it's a special location). I have good prints and track lines from other area (many areas with sandy substrate) this area it's much harder to find tracks - as it's quite heavily vegetated broken by farm land.
ua-cam.com/video/gVgdyFRLQnY/v-deo.htmlsi=hcbWwqwDP2tujvX6
ua-cam.com/video/DiYbZsKTHUc/v-deo.htmlsi=TXFuQxX7Y3WDroE6
ua-cam.com/video/sc2M38Vi2Ok/v-deo.htmlsi=bOKXwW_uvc6dVS_9
@@ambiguousworld I bet the "Authorities" are keeping it quiet in the hopes of giving the species the maximum amount of time to recover before it is officially acknowledged.
I think you give them far more credit that is deserved, there is forestry, sand mining and farming all in the areas I've observed Thylacines - I've been told, "how can we tell the farmers we're going to stop 1080 baiting for foxes and cats" I dread to think what they would do for a precious hole in the ground. I'm not against industry but if we took more care of our environment everything would have a place to live, especially in Australia. The problem is that it's just a "little bit" taken each year , ~300years later from discovery you can see the damage and it's only speeding up with the demand for resources.
Fox, cat, fox. At 630 it is clearly a small feral cat. The water trough is belly height to a cow.... the cat was a third of that height. ( and the commercial night operations of BVLOS and CASA laws?)...
The BVLOS and CASA laws certainly don't make it easy mate, months of prior planning. Not to mention the $ of hidden costs for drone pilots. Think I spoke with you or your colleague (James?) when I thinking of getting my drone as I saw your corporate sponsorship of The Thylacine awareness group (TOGOA). Thanks for the comment in regards the "cat".
Hey Steve, I got the dimensions of the water trough, 2740mm (L) x 800mm (H) so if the cat was a third of the height it would make the cat ~266mm.
Pretty convincing, although not conclusive enough for me, some of the best evidence I’ve seen by far
Thanks for spending the time to leave a comment Josh. I think you summed it up pretty well in one line. cheers.
I watched this on an iPhone 8 Plus, so it was pretty hard to see. I don’t know how to check the video settings, (over 55). Maybe I’ll try it on a television
If you tap on video you should see a wee settings button shown as a “cog” icon. If you press that there should be an option labelled ' Quality" tap that and go to advanced. Then tap the highest number. This should give you the highest quality video. This should work for phone, TV etc. UA-cam often plays videos at a low quality rate so that videos can play without buffering. Not great for my videos, but hey ho it's their platform and it's free so can't complain.
where can i buy that drone?
That was sand around the water tank and other areas. Did you look at the prints?
I didn't mate, as it was very late at night and had a 3hr drive home and was shattered as you can tell by getting disorientated with the drone . But I filmed their tracks earlier in the area so I knew they were around you can see them here ua-cam.com/video/JSY5pPAAU3Q/v-deo.html
Bang on the money!!!
Thanks Christopher, we are getting closer that's for sure!
I'd be interested to hear if Nick Mooney has seen this footage and what his thoughts on it were. For me, the way it moves..it bounds and leaps and its tail looks dead straight too. I'm pretty convinced it hid in there somewhere near the base of that tree. That was no fox!
Thanks for the comment @Hucks19Bella I think it's a Thylacine too as it has all the characteristics of one. However, the fact that this is from the mainland will mean that we'll need much better evidence than this short footage.
The animal actually went down and followed the ditch line, you're able to see it now but at the time I thought it was in the tree as the drone screen is only the size of a mobile phone.
@@ambiguousworld I appreciate your reply mate. I have never seen an animal run/gallop/leap/bound all at the same time! The way it moved, its body looked to me like it was elongated like a whippet or a greyhound when it leaped about. And unlike all of the foxes you have filmed it went batshit crazy to escape the drone! The jig's up and I think you're quite possibly onto something here. What a shame the spotlight wasn't available at the time. I hope you come across it again soon and get better footage so we can know one way or he other what it actually is. I reckon Neil Waters is convinced too, as I am also! I really wonder what Nick thinks of this..Cheers!
I think another subscriber downloaded the footage and did some extra measurements of when it was around the water trough, your observations that it had a long body are spot on as the measurements back that up. And even though I put a lot of fox footage up (and take a lot of flak, dislikes and unfollows for it) it's exactly so we can compare, there is millions of the dam things. Some of the best images I have seen which haven't got released have been labelled by the government as being Mangy foxes.....when they certainly are not.
Very interesting
What I really love about this video is that it demonstrates what I have said all along about the best way to try to find thylacines. Since they are nocturnal, and have dark coats, other than their stripes, they will be hard to find in the vastness of Oz. They likely will flee from anyone who does happen upon them in the dark, faster than they can be filmed, especially clearly. Camera traps might work, but if there is an abundance of prey items, they will likely fill the trap's SD card or run down its battery quickly, before one is ever captured. At night, the quality of pics on a camera trap, are still probably going to be poor. An infrared pic should show the bone structure of its hind legs, with the low ankles. the strange hopping movements it is likely to make at times, its gaping jaws or its strange straight tail and hump at the base of its tail.
Agree… IR enabled drone seems ideal if you then go back at daylight and find the tracks you may create real cynic persuader. Some people who follow this stuff are getting quite a bit more sophisticated in analyzing…
there never seems to be a clear unmistakeable image of a thylacine does there?
Absolutely agree, there isn't images or video out there that the world would say, "YES that's a Thylacine, take them off the extinction list". I only know of 4-5 people that are trying to obtain these, non of us are professional all of us are doing it in our spare time. I personally don't make a $ from this. I do it because I've seen them and would love the world to acknowledge them. I have seen 12 daylight images from 2012 (iphone 4) and for whet ever reason they haven't been publicized yet, but they have shown me that good daylight images can be obtained - I'll keep on my journey and as a Scotsman, we try, try and try again.
I wish this was edited a little more; there’s a lot of footage nobody can make out
I like to show my subscribers exactly what I see in the field, so I do very little in the way of editing. I would like to make sure that you're watching on the highest quality 1080p and a TV is better than a phone for this as it is quite clear 👍
Good stuff. It's certainly not a fox and had that bunched up motion similar to other footage. Just couldn't quite get close enough to confirm the tail and leg length to rule out a dog.
The sad thing was I had just turned off the spotlight..........if only. Thanks for the comment. 👍
On watching it again this morning, I think it could be a thylacine. The head seems a bit big for a fox. Quite ambiguous though imo.
First off Edward I will apologise for my response to you yesterday. I was completely abrasive and it was uncalled for. I think in hindsight I was just waiting for first person to say fox, and sadly it was you who took the brunt. I thankyou for reviewing the footage, as I say, "are you open to more than one interpretation" and in my defence I did state that getting the animal in visual (white light) has to be the goal. The World won't except anything else, and so they shouldn't. I added the live commentary because my reaction to the animal says a lot, it's so unique that I completely get flustered and disorientated. I've filmed and been around foxes all my life coming from Scotland, this was no fox. So when you said fox I reacted terribly, again I'm sorry.
edward, he is a clip of a scared fox running ua-cam.com/video/OOxB5tO6qzc/v-deo.html they certainly don't run like the animal filmed. You are correct, it has a big head with the big fox ears too.
@@ambiguousworld yeah have seen foxes many times both in England and also with the drone in Aus.
edward, I've deleted the previous thread, basically to hide my embarrassment. If you would like to send me an email I can chat to you in regards the drone, I can see if I have any spare parts that I can send to you in SA to get your drone back up in the air.
Both animals seemed aware of the drone.
Both animals?
@@ambiguousworld fox and tiger...🙄
Where about in Gippsland is it I know of a couple spots ya need to fly it and see if there’s tiger there as I swear there is no other animal that resembles it
For obvious reasons I can't tell you where in Gippsland it is. You can drop me an email regarding your areas and we can chat more there. christian.harding@ambiguous.world cheers.
I saw one cross the road in front of me when I was driving in the baw baw 'area' one night in January '21
I've never seen anything that even remotely resembles it.
I wish I'd had a dashcam.
I always hoped it was still alive.
3:49 Probably a Vixen, her cub is to the far, left just below her.
Yeah there is a few heat signatures in that little patch of scrub.
Could be groundbreaking work here. The tail is highly significant and not proportioned to a dogs, being longer in relation to the body. Note the long bony tail or compare it to a fox tail which is shorter and much hairier. The rear legs are so obvious, as is it's hopping with use of its front legs to literally outperform a fox or a dog/wolf/dingo
Great observations Kevin, I think it's the real deal too. 👍
I think you've found yourself a cat
Thanks for the comment @kingcosworth2643 👍 What's your views on the tail of this animal, do cats hold their tails out straight when changing direction at fast speed?
more likely to be a dog or some similar animal. It's possible some TT survived after the last known one died. But if the TT hasn't been spotted regularly, its numbers would not have been healthy enough to continue propagating, and would have still gone extinct by now. Same reason Nessie cannot possibly exist.
Nessie is a mystical creature, the Thylacine was / is a real animal. Life finds a way. Be positive 👍
Could be a stray deer or jackalope the way it was moving
A jackalope is a mythical creature from North America...further perpetuated by some taxidermists by combining mounts from deer and jackrabbit, so really???
Deer wouldn't run like that, and...deer are introduced species in Australia that have become invasive. Most deer are not solitary animals but travel in small herds/packs.
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Thylacine was about half the top speed of a fox. They were rather stiff legged and had a hard time running. I do not think the unidentified animal was a thylacine sadly.
You obviously have an extremely limited knowledge of the thylacine and the aspect of it moving.
What you should do, is go pick up a book and have a good read rather than trying to sound influential. Your comment is very bad, totally wrong and
quite frankly, laughable.
Yes, we're all entitled to our opinion but at least try to think before you post.
There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.
If mainland Thylacines are half the top speed of a fox, I need to re-evaluate everything I've seen and learnt of this animal.
These aren't stumpy wee Thylacines that were found in Tasmania. They are highly specialised animals, big powerful back legs, slightly longer rear hocks (more speed and less balance), big paws (probably twice the size of fox). Long elongated body with a very thick strong neck. All designed for speed, jumping and hunting their prey.
Let's not rule out an old fox that's carrying an old gunshot wound that makes it run a little different
wow, someone actually thinking of every possibility rather than just saying fox. Thanks mate.
Why would you stay so high ? I would dive and get a close up.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing mate, I didn't expect it to move, turn and dodge at that speed, as initially I thought it would just be just a fox.
But also I've found that filming a moving animal while I'm moving plus descending makes for very blurry footage in thermal. So I have to take at least one of the 3 out, can't do anything about the animals movement, I have to follow it, so I don't try and descend until the animal is stationary.
The animal only becomes stationary basically when it's hiding in the tree and that hedge line. Sadly by battery 🔋 is getting low as I used the spotlight on the fox (to prove to my friend it was a fox) which quickly drains these batteries.
Only thing that creates doubts is the location. But the movement and the way the creature was sooo elusive. Need to send this video to some experts and have them have their say on it
Thanks for the comments, one question who are the experts?
Send the Video to @Forrest Galante he was on joe rogan podcast talking about them
I've seen @forrestgalante youtube channel but didn't know he was an expert (is there an expert with Thylacines?) . If he thought they were still around he wouldn't be trying to clone them?
@@ambiguousworld nick mooney is a good one
@@ambiguousworld forest believes they are functionally extinct as in there's not enough of them to be classed as a functioning species
I’d like to believe more than anything that there are still Thylacines out there but realistically if there was they would have been breeding and there would be a lot more by now. It’s just wishful thinking that they are not truly extinct but unfortunately they are.
Unfortunately they are still around, I've seen two Chery. Maybe this channel isn't for you?
Definitely a fox
according to ur measurement of the water tank, that size could easily be a thylacine
Yeah, rupply it wasn't a small animal.
How much did this drone setup cost?
It a DJI mavic 2 enterprise advanced with ultra silent propellers and 6x batteries. Quite a expensive set up.
My wife works at Miami metro zoo with all of the big cats Including Lynx & Tiger...
Without telling her anything, I showed her this video and asked her what animal she thought that was and she said quickly " leopard or tiger "
I never did show her the title....
Thanks John for spending the time to show her. Interesting response from your wife as some people suggest the animal wasn't "cat like" enough.
A tiger or leopard in Australia? Well your wife needs to do a simple google search on "Australian Wildlife" because Tigers and leopards do not live anywhere near Australia besides in zoos.
I guess the fact that John's wife works in Miami and wasn't shown the title went right over your head CJ1989? She never said Tigers or leopards live in Australia, see only pointed out 'to her" that the animal filmed was a "leopard or tiger".
@@ambiguousworld i mean i don't see how anyone could think that's a leopard or tiger. Plus the thylacine didn't move like a cat because they're not cats.
I don't think it moves like a cat either, my point was some people have commented that it's not a "Thylacine" because it's not "cat like" enough. I think it moves like a Thylacine and it doesn't move like a fox (canine) or cat has a big head, long body and holds it tail straight out when running and bounding (classic Thylacine / Devil movement).
3 foxes. One a bit shier than the others. Took off quicker because it’s probably been shot at before. Not all foxes run the same as each other
But I do hope you find one one day
I believe they alive! 🙏
Its a fox if the grass is longer , like a dog it bounds to get through the longer grass keep trying.
I would normally agree with you, however there was no long grass on the cow paddock.
I was confused cause i heard a British accent at first as well
I'm Scottish, but have had PR in Australia for 20years.
@@ambiguousworld ahh i see loving the work mate
bro.. Don't you know those kind of animals literally get spooked tf out by drones because of the frequencies they blast out that makes them go crazy? Just like an amplified dogwhistle..
EDIT: Not GPS, other frequencies
Super interesting, I never thought of this. Do you have any literature that you can pass on to me so I can read a bit more about the GPS frequencies and their effects on wildlife?
Still can't find any literature on these other frequencies URBN?
Thylacine are not renowned for speed. I think the speed exhibited by the subject may rule out a Thylacine. I think the subject remained under the big tree where it was last seen.
Keep up the search you never know what you might find.
If there are mainland thylacines, then they have always been on the mainland, ie never went extinct on the mainland. IMO you should dismiss the notion that they were repopulated from Tasmania as a myth. Unfortunately some people take fiction as gospel truth and keep regurgitating it as fact, when it is unsupported by evidence.
The ones I've seen are super fast but I've only seen them over a short distance. I'm not into guessing the origins of these animals, I've just been on a quest to photograph one since I first became aware of them in 2017 (no idea what a Thylacine was until then). I call them Mainland Thylacines because the ones I se are on the mainland.
At 6:42 that animal is running very fast. That’s speed the equivalent to a cat of some sort. I know it’s not a cat but what can run as fast as a cat.
You can't be a slouch if your favourite food is wallaby and roo 👍
A dog.
The fastest dog on the planet is the Greyhound at 45km/hr, fastest cat is the cheetah at 128km/hr. So to answer your question @laurenurban3942 there is nothing that we know that is as fast as a cat (not even a 🐕).
From Google maps this animal is running at ~60km/hr - faster than the Greyhound 🤔.
At 12:13 it is a faox
Sorry, fox not a fake ox
Yeah the animal at 12:13 is a fox (there is 2 on this video - they follow Thylacines in this area). What about the animal at 6:20, what's your views on it @ronjohnson1658 ?
not fox on second find large cat?
Quite possibly Michael, however it would have to be a very large cat.
It's a fecking dingo
Perhaps it was a Dingo, as they often hunt sheep and smaller animals.
I filmed a dingo / dog running in a similar paddock here @DrWho-vc2go ua-cam.com/video/ic4sAbg6fKg/v-deo.htmlsi=MMKCFcHW8Y-CnOWy I don't think both animals have the same running gait, but let me know what you think?
7:27 you can see it go into a small bush at 12ocklock across the road!!! Should have Tried to flush it out with a low fly by 🤦🏽♂️
Would have done mate, but these Drones have a battery life, and I had already wasted a far chunk of it proving the first animal was a fox with the spotlight. Sadly those are the breaks. Subsequently, I've befriended the farmer who has seen both Thylacines and devils on his property (given up telling the authorities) So I will be flying again down there in the next few months. I was meant to go in March but work / family had to come first.
Hopefully I get to film it again. 👍
Awesome… it moved very different to a fox thats certain. I thought of a car but i think it’s too big… am i wrong?
Definitely not a fox
It’s a rabbit.
A few people have suggested a rabbit in the comments please feel free to read my replies to them. I have very good measurements of the water trough.
I would say at 6.42mins that's a Tassy, foxes don't leap and bound like that. Shorten the clip, take out the foxes. Have a lot more experts look at it.
@iandavidharris9203 certainly is a Thylacine. The farmer and his family who have owned the property has seen them on multiple occasions over the 100year+ that they have had the land. I see your point in cutting the clip, but I don't really like to do this and on this occasion it's actually great to see the foxes reaction to the Thermal drone. and compare it to the Thylacine. You say, have the experts look at it.... who are the experts? The vast majority of Scientists (biologists etc) believe the Tassie Tiger went extinct in the 30's and the Mainland Thylacine 2-3,000years ago. Not many are willing to put their heads above the parapet.
@@ambiguousworld I posted this video on multiple Tassie Tiger research and search youtube channels, not one has liked or replied. Looks like they only interested in self popularity and money and never check their own channel feeds. Unlike yourself.
Nobody is interested, except for those that have seen this beautiful animal. I do this for a hobby and don't even monetarize the channel as I don't want people suggesting that I do this for money, even though my equipment costs serious money (and gets stollen). My editing, intro etc are/is absolutely terrible and I get lots of 'dislikes" for showing exactly what I film especially if there is anything fox related in it. Those are the breaks, but those that are serious about this animal know that I do this for no personal gain. Thanks for joining me on this journey of mine. Christian
@@ambiguousworld was looking into the equipment, around $2000 for the night vision drone.
Mine cost a lot more than that, but might have come down in price since I bought it.
It looked like a rabbit to me
Absolutely moves like a rabbit, but the dimensions of the water trough are 2740mm (L) x 800mm (H) so it would have to be a giant rabbit!
6:30
Looks like a rabbit or a hare.
Cheers for the comment @razzaus1570 Take a look at my latest video, I film a rabbit at a 450mm high water trough on my Thermal drone ua-cam.com/video/tH-_s2l_MCk/v-deo.html. The water trough on this video is 800mm. Let me know if you still think it's a rabbit? Cheers 👍
Dude! At 7:55 it emerged from the bush in the bottom left corner and you panned away from it lmao
Yeah absolutely I did 😂 In my defence I only have a wee tiny screen to see in real time, always easier as it's bigger and clearer when reviewing it on the TV or laptop.
Hes a rough idea where it's hiding ?? Get in there and set up those video camera's that the hunters use motion activated?
Yes I do, but when it's 100's of square kilometres of forest, it's like finding a needle in a billion haystacks. Still, I have 7 cameras, so a 7 in a billion chance 😂 😂
Casually harassed wildlife trying to figure out what it is
Thanks for the comment Ratha, I assure you no animal was harmed during filming ;-)
@@ambiguousworld To be fair, causing an animal to expend valuable energy by fleeing when it otherwise didn't need to is a waste. How detrimental in the long run is hard to say.
Piss off, the animals are fine. They have way too many foxes anyway.
ディンゴじゃね？
A dingo? I personally think the tail is completely different to how a dingo holds theirs while running. However, everyone is allowed an opinion. Thanks for commenting 👍
interesting stuff; shame you couldn't get a quieter Drone, with a better quality thermal camera and a better pilot...good stuff though all the same.
That's encouragement right there ;-(
@@ambiguousworld By the way, what model is the drone? Do you think it really is that much louder than other drones? I am astonished by the animals reaction compared to other drone interactions with wildlife I have seen..
dji enterprise advanced with their Low-Noise Propellers. Have ordered STEALTH Upgrade Propellers now need to upgrade the pilot ;-)
@@davida.4933 my thoughts exactly
Your best video yet.
Runs like a rabbit but way to big to be a rabbit..
Thanks Andrew, as you say way to big too be a rabbit. 👍
A hare
A hare is bigger than a rabbit. The images of the animal have been independently analysed (not by me) and the head is ~230mm long, the height ~430mm and the tail ~400mm. All easily done with the exact measurements of the water trough.
Please, show me an image of hare with a tail that long and I might start agreeing with you 🤣
There is a lot of wishful thinking here.
It’s a hare in comparison to the trough it’s very small
the water trough is 900mm high, making your Hare around 400-450mm in height 👍
@@ambiguousworld I’ve been farming my whole life. That trough is not 900mm in height
Must doing the wrong farming @tylademchy9706 as this was the company that made the trough (Gippsland Company too) www.vikonprecast.com.au/agricultural-precast-concrete-products/round-water-troughs it's listed there as 2740mm (L) x 800mm (H) + there was an extra 100mm where the cows has worn away the ground. I know this as I went and measured it and took photos you can see them on the community page (the top of the trough was at my crotch and I'm1.95cm tall. 👍
@@ambiguousworld compare it to the size of the ball it the trough . How big is your thylacine?
yeeha finally realised it's not a hare....but a Thylacine! The trough is 2740mm (L) the animal head and body is around ~1/4 of this length going by the 3rd image ua-cam.com/channels/8Vq5SIfLP6eQXPwNvMwvCA.htmlcommunity?lb=UgkxLhJeGcDtO8NW7tFuk8q-d5hvqK3w48Dv so it's around long ~617mm 👍
Looked like a hare to me….but that’s my opinion only.
Certainly runs like a hare Mark. If you go to the community tab you'll see some images of the water trough - you can then work out an appropriate size of the animal. Let me know if you still think it's a hare?
Hey @Mark-ew5jm I filmed a rabbit on my Thermal drone ua-cam.com/video/tH-_s2l_MCk/v-deo.html at a 450mm high water trough Which compares well to the water trough on this video which is 800mm high. Let me know if you still think it's a rabbit /hare. Cheers 👍
Feral cat
Thanks for the comment Brian, the water trough was measured at 2740mm (L) x 800mm (H) so the animal in question would have to be a big feral cat?
real thylacine!
Not a thylacine. It looked like a baby kangaroo.
Kangaroos don't run at full speed on 4 legs, baby or not. You think it looks like at baby Kangaroo as the Thylacine has kangaroo like back legs.
@@ambiguousworld Maybe it's a monitor lizard, but definitely not a thylacine.
I'm way closer with a Thylacine than you are with a Monitor Lizard. 🙄
@@ambiguousworld Maybe a marmot
There is no way that this conversation is ever going to end as long as this groundhog keeps seeing his shadow. I don't see any other way out. 🦫
Why do you pester wildlife with your freaking drone??? 🙄
no animals were harmed in this production.
In defense, there is always the chance of capturing on film something never seen before, or believed extinct. better than a hunter with a rifle killing indiscriminately, in my opinion.
Wildlife? Cows, a fox, a jumpy creature trying to avoid a buzzing noise at night... what is interesting is the lack of wildlife... not a native in sight, yet trapped cows herded into a corner by what, one wild dog? Dogs pack hunt... and large feral cats choose easier prey. Stock losses in Gippsland are huge, from predation... knowing what is really taking the stock is vital scientific work.... well done 'Dude'... keep flying
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That’s a rabbit/hare 😂 obviously
How has no one pointed this out haha
That's one giant rabbit then
That's a huge fucking rabbit.
Rabbits with long tails didn't know the existed either.
This is a poor system to id anything,i think your kidding your self.😂
Maybe for your untrained eye it is 😂 If you have watched my videos you can see it doesn't take me long to ID most animals. In this video, I ID the fox at 1.11 within seconds. I only use the spotlight on the fox as Richard couldn't ID it. I turn the spotlight on this fox at 2:17 - the system was 100% accurate. Sadly the Thylacine 6:30 just moved too fast to get the spotlight on it, however it didn't act, move or even look like a dog, fox or cat.
You criticize it like you know a better way to film near discreetly at night
Noisy drone middle of the night freaking the fck out of the local wildlife.
Got it.
FYI: Looking for a thylacine try Tasmania not the mainland.
Think I'll stick to Gippsland, plenty of people in Tassie doing it. And why go there when I've seen Thyla like creatures in Gippsland? Wouldn't providing proof of their continued existence on the Mainland be much more of discovery too?
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Ok.
Keep looking.