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Electric Trumpet pt.01: Inputting into a pedalboard
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2015
- Four methods of turning the trumpet into an electrified source for inputting into a pedalboard: 1. stand-mounted mic (dynamic/passive) 2. clip-on mic (condenser/powered) 3. Yamaha Silent Brass 4. Piezoelectric transducer
Here's a complete overview of my electric trumpet pedalboard setup, taken 6-6-15. More videos on individual pedals will be forthcoming. There's no playing in this video, just an overview of the hardware.
For more information on Pizeoelectric pickups, which are newly-built and now available for purchase, check out Steve Francis' designs at:
www.Piezobarrel.com
See more at:
/ electrictrumpet
Hear it in action at:
/ 100juice
/ theacropolisofsoul
My site:
www.microcosmologist.com/
I kept waiting for you to play your horn with the various set ups. If you make another video, it would be appreciated if we can hear how the various set ups sound when you play them. Thank you for making the video.
day 18 they still think I'm a trumpet where are my cornet brothers
Oh damn, they're onto me!!!
Thank you for the video! Very informative, and helping me build my own pedal board slowly!
Great videos and very interesting advices ! Big Like !
thx for the vid dude. ive been playing with a piezo barrel and going to pair it up with a whammy pedal this weekend at a gig.
I've been using Stephen's latest version of the Piezo Barrel pickup : P9 ! Had it for almost a year after the P6. I find it to be superior to its predecessor the P6. Also using a Sennheiser 609 on a DIY mic clip for a clean sound. Its nice to have the options - ya dig 1
You can use the piezobarrel pickup with a Lekato wireless instrument system to allow moving around. No feedback since it's direct injection.
perfect video I have been looking for, thank you
Hell what I watch this for
Great advice brother.
I wanna hear you play with all of these pedals, Idk what I want on my board yet and seeing how yours sound would help a lot Im sure
Thanks for your video.
But then, to me it's not clear yet, how to go into the pedal board, can you go directly?? I tried, but it is not possible..Could you explain me exactly how to plug a mic into a guitar pedal. thanks a lot!
I too prefer the tranducer pickup. The trumpet's waveform is tapped at one of it's purest points. The angled cable on your Barcus Berry is nice. I have 2 BBs with straight cable out and they can get in the way. The Silent Brass also muddies trumpet articulation, but is best for taming potential feedback monster effects.
nice! Never seen one before!
Sorry I am french
Je cherche une trompette avec quoi l’on peut amplifier le son avec une ampli voir même écouter son son avec un casque
Hi! Do you know if I can get a good sound with the Yamaha SB7X2?
when using the clip on don't you need phantom power? do you plug it into a preamp first then the pedal?
Wouldn't a piezo on say a mute also work? I know you would have the effect of the mute applied, but wouldn't it be an inbetween of the difficult-to-obtain Inducer and the Yamaha Silent?
Yes. I've never heard of anyone putting a piezo onto a harmon mute but I bet that might work well
Regarding the mic stand method: Pedal FX are switched on by plugging a jack into the input and, at least at my Zoom A1x FX pedal, this doesn't work with the symmetric TRS 1/4' Jack, it must be a simple TS Jack as used for guitar cables. (I think the power on switch is done by connecting the ring and sleeve counterpart in the socket with the plug.) So, when you get problems switching on your pedel fx, use a unsymmetric XLR-Jack adapter.
For the first (dynamic mic) doesn't the adapter used also need to match the impedance? Guitar pedals are made for guitar which put out a high impedance and dynamic mics (such as the sm57) put out a low impedance.
I've been using a Beta 57 directly into pedals for a few years now, using an XLR-> 1/4" TS cable. No problems at all...
@@PeterJaquesMusic it'll function, but mic level audio is much lower voltage than the instrument-level audio that the pedals expect. If you can amplify the mic to instrument level with something like the Eventide MixingLink, you'll get a much fuller sound.
Yes you do need an impedance converter or the signal will be too low.
Hi. first I congratulate you on your channel and your videos, your set, and your music. and I want to ask you one thing. I play trombon and I use a silent brass yamaha but it has a very closed sound. I want to opt for a piezo, maybe piezobarrel, but I saw that in your Performance you also use a condenser with a clamp. How do you connect it all together?
When I record in my living room, I use three sources: my piezo input to feed my pedalboard, which is fed into a mackie mixer and recorded in stereo. I mix that (and vary the amount based on the moment/passage) with two acoustic mics. An audio technica clip-on condenser is right on my bell and a stand mounted Audix D3 is about 1 foot away. I blend the two acoustic mics because neither, to my individual taste, gives an ideal tone. The clip-on is too dark and the stand is too bright. But mix them together and I get a decent acoustic sound. I want to keep the brassy, acoustic sound of the trumpet present in the recordings, which is why I go to that trouble. Make sense? The Piezobarrel is a fantastic product, I highly recommend it.
It makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the advice. greetings from Argentina!
Thnx
I was wondering if your methods would work for a bassoon, which I want to electrify so I can play in a punk rock setup. Would a bassoons many keys and holes create problems?
here in Greece, many clarinet players install a pickup into the barrel, which can then run into regular guitar effects. I'd guess something like that would be the best option for bassoon as well.
You're right that the many holes create a problem ~ there's no "one" source of the sound, it's everywhere. But they all have to pass through the reed and the first part of the instrument (whatever that's called on bassoon, analogous to the clarinet barrel), so that's the best place to capture it. The tone might not be ideal, so you might want to *also* use a mic that goes directly to the console, to pick up the natural sound of the instrument.
I wouldn't recommend using a mic directly into pedals in a very loud punk band, because you'll a) pick up so much of the rest of the band, that it'll be chaos in your pedals, and b) any drive or boost pedals will pretty much guarantee you tons of feedback... and not the fun kind...
Instead of using a 1/4" input I switched pedal boards from standard guitar ones to a Digitech Vocal 300. The 1/4" set up kept losing contact and too much crackle between boxes,etc. Neat thing about the Digitech is that it's originally for vocalists so it takes the standard xlr mic connections both in and out of the unit. Also it has a 1/4" headphone out that I connect to my own little powered hot spot monitor just in case I don't get enough from the house floor wedge,etc. I also use the Samson Airline 77 wireless mic system for horns, which I like better than those with belt packs. I used to have the Audio Technica system which did work great for many years, but when Samson came out with their transmitter mounted onto the clip on mount no fighting with cables anymore,heh. Neither system needed phantom power,etc.
Also I originally used a Barcus Berry high impedance clip on mic that had a little magnetized rubber mic that had a nylon screw that pretty much dimple dented the bell,heh. Had some feedback issues of course. Switching to the Audio Technica then the Samson eliminated that,etc. Also a soundman that works with one of the bands I'm in showed me the little screw in the Samson transmitter that regulated the sensitivity of the mic. Turned that down to just a quarter turn up from zero thus eliminating over blow noise and feedback of that mic,etc. On the transducer.....my trumpet teacher used that. I really didn't get into drilling a hole in my mouthpiece, heh. :)
Have you tried the piezobarrel.com transducer? It looks like the one that you use, at least the principle is the same.
Torbjørn Dyrud Yes, it is fantastic! I highly recommend Steve's product. I should update the video description with a link, more trumpeter should use these....
Microcosmologist Great, thanks!
Microcosmologist can you make a complete tutorial just for us who want connect mic thru console and pedals not with all the difference between them it will help a lot more than that video, I’m trying to find a easy video explains how focus on mic thru pedals and console to speaker I’m a trumpet player who want to take next level and play live music with different overview and i know you are the best teacher please can you help more to us like me trying to find that kind of instructions , instructional videos,1st steps mic thru pedal, pedal thru console, thru speakers with some different pedals will be more helpful hope you don’t take the comment as disrespectful is with all good intention to make the trumpet players around the world take the step to the next generation please advise !
How did you clip the receiver to the horn?
Timothy Henderson WITH FUCKING SCOTCH TAPE.
do I need one of those vocal effects preamp pedals or can I just use the pedals ?
ActivistArts if you use a Mic, you probably need a preamp, yes.... I should've been more l clear on that I this vid
dammit I just ordered two pedals and skipped the vocal preamp cuz I thought I could use the adapter and the mic lol
ActivistArts well, try it, maybe it might work, depending on the exact setup
will do, thanks for the videos
I got a signal transformer quarter inch adapter for my mic to go directly into the pedal. It was a cool $15 fix. I still may get a vocal pedal at some point
Can you play ?
Please play the goddam thing!
Just look at my channel. There's dozens of performances with it. ;)
..and you don't play, cool
Go to my videos, I have like 50+ videos of me playing.
I was wondering if your methods would work for a bassoon, which I want to electrify so I can play in a punk rock setup. Would a bassoons many keys and holes create problems?
Go with the wireless method, it's simple, direct, and more or less bulletproof. And not terribly expensive, either.
You would probably want to try modifying a bocal for a PiezoBarrel. The one for a trumpet mouthpiece would probably work. Just drill the hole and mount the threaded collar with JB Weld. The great thing about that is you can still unscrew the unit and put the screw plug in the collar when you don't want to use it. It seals with an o-ring.