Matt Walsh vs Ken Ham & Eric Hovind - Young Earth Creation Debate
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2018
- Eric Hovind offered $10,000 to Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire to debate him on the topic of Young Earth Creationism -- the belief that the universe was made in six 24 hour days less than 10,000 years ago.
Matt thinks this view is wrong and comes from a misreading of the Biblical text and a misunderstanding of science. He also thinks Young Earth Creationism is an unnecessary stumbling block which prevents non-believers from taking Christianity seriously, and took to twitter and his podcast to explain why.
This prompted Ken Ham to respond to Matt's podcast... a response Matt called misleading and obscurant, with accusations of personal attacks, questioning faith and misrepresenting views.
Unfortunately, while these parties were talking past each other, they weren't willing to talk to each other. This is my attempt to present the best arguments from each party, in a way the conversation might go if they all stepped on to the same stage.
The debate that should have been.
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This must have been a nightmare to edit. You did an excellent job
I agree wholeheartedly. I remember thinking how seamless it was when he was jumping back and forth between the shows. While I admittedly did not go and watch every minute of each of the originals (linked in the description above!), I jumped around a bit in all of them and Paulogia did an excellent job of representing their views.
After watching for a few minutes I thought the same. Lots and lots of time and patience. Thank you Paulogia for your hard work. 👍
The God of Rationality guided and blessed Paul`s work in exposing the ignorance of most christians.
Awesome job, Paul! And it is also funny to watch people argue against each other, when it is not even based on evidential reasoning
An absolute nightmare to edit - an absolute pleasure to watch. 🤘💙
"it gives us a sort of petty, pagan god"
yup, Matt summed it up perfectly right there...
29:54
So close yet so far
"how can you trust the bible?" K. Ham n eggs....
@@indisa099 feminism is false yes so far
This had me rooting for Matt Walsh the whole way. I didn't think that was possible.
Same, I normally loath him.
Yeah I’m not sure how I feel about that.
@@hippipdip Just means that Matt makes more sense than Ken Ham , who is by the way friend of US speaker of the house.
Mike Johnson believes in what Ken Ham tells him to believe in, so half of US congress are as delusional as Ken Ham.
As an atheist, I still don't like his interpretation. Genesis should be seen as a creation myth by everyone, and he doesn't view it as a creation myth. He views it as a metaphorical explanation on how God created the world
Matt Walsh about Genesis: "You can't take that shit literally man, the science just doesn't back it up!"
Matt Walsh about gay people: "The bible literally says it is wrong man, I don't care what the science says!"
Consistency is key...
He said that about Genesis, not the whole Bible you illiterate peon
As an atheist, I respectfully disagree. Science cannot say whether homosexuality is morally wrong or right, else the naturalistic fallacy would be committed. What science can do, however, is show that certain scientific claims that Matt Walsh makes to prove that homosexuality/transgenderism is wrong are either false or unsupported. For example, Matt Walsh often denies the distinction between gender and sex, which has been proven false by science. Also, the Bible clearly does condemn homosexuality.
@@lila5844 Obviously science can't say whether something is morally wrong, but we can say that homosexuality is perfectly natural and is exhibited in many different species. To say it is immoral when the science proves it is a natural part of the spectrum of sexuality is just bizarre...
Ken Ham and Matt Walsh came across a set of tracks.
KH: Those are bear tracks!
MW: Those are deer tracks!
They were still arguing when the train hit them.
Nice analogy !
To be fair to Matt, he's at least arguing they're train tracks. He just thinks that they were put there by a loving god, so there can't possibly be a train heading for them right now.
Laughed so hard my spleen hurts.
What’s a spleen?
Ha! I'll keep this one for later
They both see ferroequine tracks. The difference is one thinks it's literally a mythical horse made of iron, and the other thinks it's a horse with strength compared to iron through metaphor.
The 7 day creation story makes me think of this joke...
Man goes to hevan and asks god some questions. First he asks "how long is one hundred million years to you?" God answers, "it is merely a moment" man then asks, "how much is one hundred million dollars to you?" God answers "it is merely a penny" man lastly asks "may I have a penny?" God answers "of course, just give me a moment..."
I never heard this one, thank you. :3
g1
Damian I'll have to remember that one 😀
ROTFLMAO...I'll have to remember this.
Nice
This back and forth sounds like a group of children discussing Santa and the different ways Santa can come in your house
"Noah took young animals on the ark."
I just have one question for you, Georgia. Were you there?
God killed off all his Creations except 8 people and selected animals...???
Australian Aboriginals are not descended from Noah.
Neither are the Chinese or Japanese...
No Aussie kangaroos or koalas on a non existent Ark in the Middle East.
Pure fantasy.
How did the Australian animals get onto it?
I feel bad for the Hovind Kind. It really sucks when other lunatics are saner than you are.
They shall have their reward in Heaven.
Well … unless there is no Heaven, in which case, hee hee.
YEC is a whole new sort of insanity, because we can demonstrate that every claim they make is false.
@@keithscott1957 Look at how much money they are making selling the Je$u$ and you will realize they are very much getting their reward right now.
*DB Cisco* "The Hovind Kind" - I like it.
Just some Guy What I want to know, will it be a YEC, a flat earther, or a trump supporter who decides crops need "electrolytes".😁
Walsh is completely right about one thing-- creationism is driving young people away from Christianity. My daughter was willing to believe in God(deist) but they lost her when they started denying science. She understands that if you have to lie to make your religion make sense, it's because it doesn't make sense. Good job, Ken. You're still losing.
Ironically YEC are the false teachers that bible warned. False teachers drive people away from god.
@@mrpo3496 False teachers like Jesus you mean. I agree, it is not reconcilable with the rest of the bible. There was no Mozes, no Adam and Eve and no paradise and thus no sacrfice and Jesus also doesn't fit any of the prophecies and none of the prophecies came true like Jesus says multiple times.
I don't know if there is a god or if there is a religion that is correct, but we all know that at least christianity is completely wrong regardless of the interpretation of whatever text(s).
all science is God's science. when we discover how things work, we are merely thinking his thoughts after him
@Timothy Mostad Yes, " It is appointed once for man to die, and then to be judged." Hebrews 9 : 27 , Shalom
@Timothy Mostad Can you prove to me you have a brain? Have you ever seen it or touched it ? how can you prove to me that you have a brain. Most likely you are relying on what you have been told , Shalom
I'm an old earth creationist and totally agree with Matt. I live seeing Ken Ham being put in his place. William Lane Craig says that young earth creationism is an embarrassment to Christianity.
How is Young Earth creationism embarrassing to christians? Considering that the Bible clearly states in Genesis chapter 1 that the first morning and the first evening was " first day. And then it says that it was the second day the third day the fourth day? The key word there is " the ".
Newer versions of the Bible says a day. It doesn't say the day. If you look in the Hebrew, from the original manuscripts, it says the first day the second day the Third day. Not only that, if the Earth is older than about 6,000 years old, then all of the timelines and all of the genealogies in the Bible are absolutely wrong. What about the fact that the prophets talk about the Earth being created in 6 days? They don't say that the Earth was created in six days, but they talk about specific days when things were created.
Did you know that William Craig outright denies the trinity? He believes in a trinity, but not the trinity. He doesn't believe in God the Father God the son and God the holy spirit.
@@bigcountrymountainman9740does that make you want to kill William Lane Craig like Calvin killed Michael Servitus?
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 What slander
@@HangrySaturn what slander are you taking about?
Reminds me of that old rhyme:
One fine day in the middle of the night,
Two dead men got up to fight,
One blind man to see fair play,
Two dumb men to shout "Hooray" !
Oh! My grandma told me this version:
One bright day in the middle of the night,
Two dead boys got up to fight.
Back to back, they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other.
A deaf policeman heard the noise and came a-runnin,
And shot those two dead boys.
Now if you don't believe this lie is true,
Ask that blind man over there, he saw it too.
Nice! BUT... your toon should have been eating a bag of popcorn listening to them go back and forth.
Thanks for all you've done and will do next year.
Aaron Nelson
Oh I so agree. Showing the back of his toon head going back and forth eating popcorn! Bwahahaha!
But this is a great vid. Good job Paul, thank you💕
Maybe also include some humorous commentary, ala MST3K.
@Inmate #06452017 OFFICIAL I see what you did there. You should start posting in Hovind's videos, Asuming he hasn't already banned you.
@Inmate #06452017 OFFICIAL That sucks. Well I guess Kent is one step closer to getting the echo chamber he, and his followers so desperly want.
I second the popcorn opinion. And a soda, have him sip soda before speaking each time he makes a additional comment!
I'm shocked to discover that Ken Ham and Eric Hovind would misrepresent someone and blatantly lie about them. This is so out of character for them! ;)
😂😂😂😂
I'm shocked, yes shocked 2KVDC, shocked I tell ya..
That professional grifters would lie and distort a rival's cherished interpretation of the unholy narrative that is contrary to their own....
The writer of Genesis wasn’t there either.
"I had a black friend once " USAF race relations class example of a trigger words..
Dog whistle?
It's really funny to me know that he'll accept the vast opinion of scientists who say the earth is 4.5 billion years old and evolution is a thing but when it comes to trans and gay folks, he ignores ALLLLLL the science and doctors.
That must have been a lot of work. Thanks for putting this together.
thanks, j s... yeah, more than I'd care to admit.
@@Paulogia it's really effective though, watching a believer maul an atheist is feeding the troll, watching two believers try to discredit each other - well "good christians" aren't going to be too happy about people like ken and eric. and the atheist being the voice of reason in between - this way you can do no wrong.
@@HarryNicNicholas indeed. He becomes the neutral observer.
Ignorant people arguing about whose ignorance is less ignorant. I just don't know what to say about this situation.
It's like watching kids argue about what color the Easter Bunny's fur is. lol
@@DBCisco Pfft, everyone knows the Easter Bunny's fur is light-blue.
@@RetroBackslash HE'S WHITE WITH A PINK BELL YOU HEATHEN!
It is both depressing and hilarious. I call it deprarious.*
*all rights to this joke go to Team Four Star
Grab a tub full of popcorn?
I'm late to this party.
I particularly was amused with how Matt brought up the pionts of many aetheists and just wanted coherent answers given, but got the same treatment.
What a pity the all-knowing god of the Universe couldn't harmonize the world with his perfect revelation; avoiding so much confusion.
He created everything, except a book that could be taken literally.
@@nathanmiller9918 try to find curvature using surveying equipment. The book is literally right.
@@Pow_FIsh It's definitely not.
@@nathanmiller9918 imagine some test for curvature, it doesn't matter which, just that for you it would prove curvature, there's many ways to imagine such a test, based on globe math make concrete predictions, again doesn't matter what you predict.
Test your predictions versus what you observe. I promise you, the globe math never works. You can always see further than you're supposed to be able to.
@@Pow_FIsh Hilarious. I've some experience with orbital mechanics. It's definitely a globe. You guys can't properly describe a sunset.
And the Irony award goes to...…. Ken Ham and AIG for complaining and objecting multiple times on this video of how their position is being mischaracterized and misrepresented.
...whilst all the time misrepresenting their critics.
That’s because all forms of creationism contain some measure of dishonesty.
“The bible wasn’t written for people on Pluto, people on Saturn, people on Mars. It’s focused on Earth, in fact the Earth was created before the other planets”.
This comment came from a grown man... god help us!
The Bible isn't really written for Earth even, apparently, the world being sinful implies that rocks, oceans trees, plate tectonics are all somehow sinful?
And in the next moment: "We have evening and morning, and that means a rotating earth. It doesn't matter that there's no sun yet"
No. Sun. Yet.
*facepalm*
@@thatguyguy3777 sorry, ThatDeludedGuy guy
@@thatguyguy3777 You can't recontextualize nonsense to make it not ignorant.
Which god?
"True science will always line up with the right interpretation of scripture"
AAUGH -rips hair out- So now you can reject anything you don't agree with, because it's either not true science or not the right interpretation. Brilliant!
Taylor White they're not wrong. They're correct, since they assume the Bible cannot be wrong. The problem is they are way more confident that their interpretation of the Bible is correct, than they are about scientific claims. This is the central problem with YECs.
and yet, no proof of curvature, no proof of space, no proof of evolution,
Thanks for doing all the work in selecting and editing all the clips from all those videos! Great episode!
Ken Ham and Eric Hovind in one video? Hopefully my brain doesn't melt.
It won't melt but you may develop diharia.
Jake and Paul did a video with Ray comfort and kent ham in the same video.
And now only Kent is missing.
That was a good debate. It's hard to believe that they toss around that they have PHDs but are completely ignorant to real scientific evidence. This video did a good job exposing that
Georgia has said that she lied to get her degree. She doesn’t believe mainstream science (because it contradicts the AiG reading of the Bible) and just regurgitated what she studied so she could have the authority of the credentials to spread anti-science BS with
Have you ever considered the thousands of PhD scientists who are creationists are actually NOT ignorant to real scientific evidence?
Nobody has ever observed any of the following processes requires for Evolution to qualify as science:
1. Information being added to the genome
2. Increasing genetic complexity
3. Primary definition of Macro-evolution
4. Evolution Theory also presupposes an unobserved process for life coming from non-life. Note I am not saying Evolution Theory directly include this, I'm saying it presupposes and I only include it because Creationism has been excluded from peer-review for 180 years for presupposing an unobserved process for life coming from non-life
@@lightbeforethetunnel first of all, you don't get to specifiy "you must observe x for evolution to qualify as a science" then provide silly things. I doubt you have any training in science. Science is about theories that fit *observed* facts. The theory of evolution fits all of the observed facts very well. There is no concept in science about things that must be observed.
@@billjohnson9472 You're talking with a flat earther hardcore fundamentalist YEC. There's almost no chance of having a meaningful conversation about science or evidence with a normal flat earther. All you're going to get as replies are ignorant assertions.
@@billjohnson9472 yeah alot of Christians believe in evolution.
Thank you so very much for linking to Dr. Hayes' lecture series. It is amazing! (You're work is very good as well, so thank you for your work as well!)
In this time of looking back on the last year, I want to thank you for your hard work and clear thinking. The video about father's day was world class! What started as a fun twist on breakfast billboard click bait, has become my most respected YT creator. Thanks Paul. "Rock On".
Thanks, Vyd! Means much.
If UA-cam advertisement AI was smart, it would insert Pop Corn ads in this video.
The schadenfreude it burns, it burns so hard. I love watching Christians battling over their bible. Both think they are right, but we all know they can't both be right, but we all know they can both be wrong.
@Marilyn Newman Bloodshed? Who said anything about bloodshed?
@map 529 yep cause we're just about to set a theocracy for sure!! Um, America is as ungodly and non Christian as it's been in it's entire history and it's never been even close to a theocracy.
One day there will be a true theocracy with Jesus Himself as the King and all unrighteousness and wickedness will be cast out. That's bad news for sinners like you and me except that God is so loving, He made a way for our cleansing. Its more wonderful than I can comprehend!
"Kiss the Son lest you perish in the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little"
@@joe86johnson god is so loving that, should you not accept him/ it, you will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. I guess that's tough love
@@bokononbokomaru8156 that is correct, although I certainly detect this sarcasm. it is a combination of God's love and his hatred that motivates him to put people in hell forever.
I love children, and part of loving children is that I hate the abuse of children. My love for children makes me want to put child abusers away for a very long time. Same thing goes for people in general. Because I love people I have to hate murder and murderers. If I'm okay with murderers going unpunished it means I don't love people.
God is himself the greatest glory and beauty inside and outside of this universe. Everything he does is wonderful And he deserves to be praised and adored. It is the greatest injustice in this universe the humans, who are uniquely able to perceive and appreciate his glory often are the ones who withhold praise and glory from him. God loves his glory and especially his son and those that hate his glory and hate and reject his son, He hates.
In the presence of God is the sum of all joy and happiness.
In the complete and total absence of the presence of God, is the sum of all misery and sorrow.
Got himself has called out to you and desires that you choose life instead of death and choose blessing instead of a curse. Which one will you choose?
@@joe86johnson have you stoned any unruly children lately, beaten a slave only so much that he doesn't die within a couple days, or killed Canaanites (except for young females that you keep for your own uses)? What? New covenant? I say not one jot or tittle shall be changed until Yeshua ben Yosef says otherwise. So, I suspect you mean well, but that God is a murderous thug and should be filed away with all the other barbaric myhologies. You dont need a magical, invisible being to live a good life and be nice to people. Bon chance
I took another look at this video. Again, I thank you for publishing this. Now I did take your suggestion and went to the lectures from Christine Hayes. This was also a pleasant surprise. Once upon a time, a long time ago (1972) I took a coarse in college called Heritage of the Bible. These lectures reminded of those "good old days" and reminded me why I have rejected any and all religions. Thanks again for this little "rabbit hole" to explore again.
The research and editing work that must have gone into this... Great work!
It's like watching two people arguing over the colour of the sky. One says its neon green
The other says its pink
And theres Paul who actually looked outside and was willing to take the evidence that it is blue
My book clearly states that the sky is dark brown
These are all the facts I need
Catnerd David ah, but on Vulcan It's orange 😜
@@Nilsy1975 Vulcan is full of heathans
Catnerd David and a ripoff of Venusians 😑
The sky is Black Watch Plaid, you monochromatic apologists! Obviously you're paid by someone to deny this.
Matt Walsh will be a fine atheist someday.
He is more useful to science as a theist. Ken Ham likes to equate secular science with atheists, here's a guy that has religious cred showing how young earth creationism is absurd. That's why Hambo and pals are protesting so much.
He's a long way from an atheist. Frankly, I'll be surprised if he ever becomes an atheist.
@@Pyrolonn
Yeah it's strange how Christians who embrace secular science have more affect on communicating to creationists than well informed atheists do when arguing the exact same thing.
I think it's that when creationists acknowledge that they're talking to an atheist they go into this automatic mode of wave of hand dismissal of whatever the atheist is saying, this being predicated on the presupposition that we're unreasonable for not believing in god therefore whatever we say must be unreasonable and need not be considered let alone evaluated.
But if a fellow ""reasonable"" Christian is making the same points, they're more inclined to not let everything go through their head.
The Christian who already embraces secular science is already arguing from a foundation they both agree with (god). This is why when I argue with fundamental theists I have learned that giving them a bit of rope actually helps them listen. They need to see that you understand their perspective.
And that is the problem I think with many atheist - creationists debates. The atheist is handing too much for them to handle and it's all so alien to them and they end up seeing the atheist as a confused person because the creationist cannot see the connections that the atheist is assuming the creationist understands. We assume everyone already understand the prerequisites for understanding the arguments we're commonly bring forth, but they don't.
By giving them some rope, granting them a bit of their world view, I've noticed creates a much better dialogue and they're more inclined to listen.
Not if he keeps insisting the bible is absolutely true and the revealed word of god. He accepts more reality than aig, that doesn't mean he's realistic.
@@MDHilgersom Lol there are the insults already. Didn't take long.
I. Love. This. Video!!!! Thank you!!! You put a ton of work into this and so many of us appreciate it!!!
Edit: Also, thank you Matt Walsh for those of us who hope a god like the one he believes in exists, even when many of us tend to doubt it.
I am super impressed with the amount of work you had to put in to make this work! Amazing job
I've noticed when creationists start spinning a yarn, they start speeding up, like they're trying to push past the topic at hand.
The fact PHD. Giggles says that about science, as a scientist makes me wish she would remove the Dr. from her name.
I don't think it's when they lie, that is whenever they open their mouths, but it's when they go from improvised speech to words learned by heart. Kent Hovind had the same "tell"
Good point. Frantic fear exposed
watching Christians disagree with each other just makes their case worse. I think we should get Westboro Baptist Church involved in this debate.
While funny to consider, you KNOW they'd just keep it down to Ad Hominem attacks with stock placards.
or maybe at least 1 representative of the oldest and the majority denominations. Prots are Prots
@@PCBEaR65 true
Atheists don't ever disagree with each other?
@@chaldeang7687 you're missing the point.
wow, an apologist (Matt Walsh) who says rational things for once. That was refreshing
Paul, this video is a high watermark - very well done! VERY well done!
According to one of my favorite Rabbis: "The entire (Jewish) Bible is allegorical poetry and prose."
Don't worry - the Christian addendum isn't better in any way :D
@@robertnett9793 What sequel was better than what was before? :3
@@LetruneInedil : Hmm. Depending on how you ask, some people like Guardians of the Galaxy II over the first part... (I stay agnostic in this particular question for I like both parts).
And - not truly a sequel but a remake: I like the Limp Bizkit version of Behind blue eyes over the The Who version...
@@robertnett9793 Hmmm, I could allow so. I mean, comparatively, Christianity improved over Jewish tradition, and Islam improved over Middle Ages Christian tradition.
And then these all were sweeped off, and these remained in place. Not adapting enough.
But on the main topic - I had not seen the movies yet. I wished to but... I confess, things got up in the way. I heard good things about Guardians of the Galaxy. Would you suggest it for scifi, or is it more like a comedy-ish thing?
@@LetruneInedil both movies are pretty good, definitely worth watching.
Junkies arguing over their Drug induced delusions.
Now I wish Hunter S. Thompson had made a reportage about this debate...
nice one.
Coke vs meth😂
I love it when theists argue among themselves.
How can they possibly have the gall to criticize nonbelievers?
👍
youre literally worse THAN THEM! youre an IDIOT! how could you possibly BE STUPID to wish them HELL! THATS WHAT YOURE DOING!! HOW COULD AN ATHEIST BE MORE MORALLY CORRUPT ALREADY THAN YOU!!! YOU JUST ACCUSED THEM OF FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES YOU ASSHOLE!
I haven't commented on one of your videos in quite a while but man I gotta say this was an awesome and hilariously interesting one. Well done Paul.
Thank you, Neil!
@@Paulogia Hey man, credit where credit is due! 🤘
Debate summary...
Christian 1: “My superstitious magic is true!”
Christian 2: “Nuh uh, my slightly less superstitious magic is true.... maybe.”
🤣
Great video, Paul! Killing it as usual.
thanks, another skeleton!
@@Paulogia please do more of these, this is by far the best way to point out the fallacies of religion - set them against each other, atheists are the good guys, but we always get made out to be the work of satan, when it's people like ken and hovind, set them against each other.
@@HarryNicNicholas “atheists are the good guys”. Tell that to the 100 million victims of atheist communism who used atheism to justify their genocide. I don’t know if you realize this, but people like you have become somewhat of a joke. Your intellectual laziness gives way to the stereotypical clueless, miserable atheist, which isn’t really a stereotype, more of an observation. Have some self awareness. “The fallacies of religion” you ripped that straight out of the communist manifesto lmfao. It’s baffling how every atheist seems to know absolutely nothing about the religion they criticize, instead attacking a version they made up in their heads. Atheists are a laughing stock and it’s not hard to see why.
Typical atheist fashion lmao. Mock and attack a completely made up version of Christianity, and claim victory. Your ignorance is actually painful
Watching Christians fight is like watching Star Wars & Star Trek fans fighting. It's just hilarious 🤣
Yeah, Star Wars fans actually think they stand a chance. It's so funny!
It's over William. I have the high ground!
William actually, I didn't mean Star Wars vs Star Trek fans. I mean when they infight over who is better, like Kirk vs Picard fans or Darth Vader vs Darth Maul fans.
@@Nilsy1975 yea but at least in those stories we got some sweet memes
Catnerd David agreed and I happen to enjoy both ☺ my girlfriend thinks Jar Jar Binks is a good character 😧
"For those of you who aren't aware of who Matt Walsh is....."
Consider yourself very fortunate.
When God publishes his second edition, I hope he includes a foreword with some interpretation tips, because the first edition of his perfect instructions to mankind are so ambiguous that even like-minded faithful Christians can’t agree among themselves what they mean.
This is the problem with theology.
Arguing over how many angels fit on the head of a pin and eventually going to war over it.
🅸🅳🅸🅾🆃🆂 🤦♂️
I agree, the REAL question is how many pins fit on the head of an angel...
@@phileas007
I can help you there.
The answer is 0 because angels don't exist.
An amazing waste of intellectual energy.
The Hovind camp is saying the answer is infinity because God has no limits, while Walsh is saying the answer is 0 because angels are in your heart not on pins...
Young-Earth creationism portrays the bible in the most ridiculous way, Ken Ham has championed the most ridiculous interpretation his whole life. It's gotten so absurd, that he's now in the position of arguing against a flat earth, yet a flat earth belief is the obvious consequence for arguing for a literal biblical interpretation.
What did the " Talking serpent" SAY about How long the Yom WAS?
Thank you Paul for posting this video. It appears to me to be three different people urinating all over the floor and then screaming at each other that their own urine is the "true" urine. I really do enjoy your work Paul. Thank you.
*"Must we take this literally and believe that the Earth does not move?"* (in reference to psalm 104.) Clearly Matt has not discovered the insanity of Flat Earthers.
Or anyone in the Catholic Church before Galileo since it’s heresy to have a heliocentric view
@@jhmejia have you even read history?
yeah that's because the bible doesn't teach a flat earth...
@@Tzimiskes3506 hard to define but like I guess so
I mean he was sentenced to life in prison (changed to house arrest for life) by the Catholic Church for saying that the sun was at the center of the solar system, so…
yeah that was a clearly mainstream view of people back in the day
@@jhmejia yeah but that's because it wasn't heresy but that there was just not enough evidence to support that theory... Its like charging Charles darwin for not knowing about genetics...
And that's such a strawman considering Galileo was a devout Christian and so was every other scientiftist including the fact that atheism played no role in the scientific method...
Its a sad appeal at best...
I can't imagine the amount of work it took to make this video. It's so well done. Thanks for having the patience to do it, Paul.
It was more than I expected... thanks, J.
What do you mean, Paul is just sitting in the corner blinking. Seems like he put no work into this.
😜
Had some time to just chill . . . and wow. I'm not sure I saw this when it was originally posted back in Dec 2018, but the mental gymnastics with this group are astounding!
Paulagia, you Sir deserve some praise for your patience and editing skills.
thank you so much, Daniel
Thank you for posting lectures from Christine Hayes - thats new information for me. I'm honestly not sure I can listen to the entire "debate" or not, but if nothing else was accomplished for me than these linked lectures then I consider it a home run...
Keep doing these videos. It really helps shows the craziness of AiG even to Christians.
Amazing editing job!
Nicely done Paul. Your hard work has generated one of my favorite Christian debate videos.
Edit: you know, for huge portions of the material you can barely tell Matt is even a Christian. Never thought I'd cheer for him. What have you done, Paul? You bastard...
Con artists debating scammers...vying for the cash kingdom crown.
You summed it up well
If I'm honest, Matt Walsh is SOOO close. Somewhere in the back of his head, lights are blinking; registering the contradictions he's hearing. Perhaps we'll score a second Seth Andrews type in the future.
They earth is clearly middle aged.
it does have a bit of a bulge around it's middle.
It always amazes me how creationists have to ignore so much evidence to believe in unsupported mythology!
Thank you for the videos. I don't know how you can stand editing this and having to listen to them all the time a you edit.
Once is more than enough for me, especially as they are both arguing over unsupported mythology!
I need more of these fan fiction battles
It's funny when you see AIG holding up books of theirs you can buy while talking about Matt yet he just gives his points when responding to them.
I loved how you were "eating popcorns" in the middle of the screen, Paul, while Matt was rebuting effectively both Ken and Eric. :D
Thanks so much for putting this together!
Never thought I’d be rooting for Matt Walsh, but here we are
Mark has science on his side for the age of earth/universe. Everyone else has nothing on there side.
@Hector Defendi no.
@@DeconvertedMan there really was a guy called "Defendi" here? That's an awesome name, if you want to defend something.
When my email alert went off this morning, I knew it would be a new Paulogia video. Clearly evidence god exists.
This is really good. I love how well connected you did like Pluto's days
This is a fantastic video. I really appreciate the work that went into it.
it's a fact that the word "truth" is meaningless when in use by these people.
yes, Matt should just acknowledge religion is fake he doesn't even believe in his Bible
@@victorbergman9169 both sides, i think Matt is much more reasonable, he seems to accept science, for the most part.
I would think that if a book were factually accurate, there wouldn’t be any discussion over the contextual meaning of “yom”
I think this entire disagreement over how this book is interpreted should point to it being a load of fables.
or how Gen 1 clearly mimics Memphite and Babylonian theology as a polemical poem, following a 7 day temple consecration motif.
GottaGetMe6 and your qualifications are...what exactly? Im pretty certain snakes don’t talk...
GottaGetMe6 I’m sorry, I asked for your qualifications. Not a reading list. I said it’s a sign that points to it being mythical, another sign is LITERALLY ALL THE MYTHOLOGICAL SHIT THAT HAPPENS IN IT.
This is freaking great. Hear that pause when he was saying, "These are...the only writings about Jesus..."?
FABULOUS.
He also said they were "first hand accounts" something we know to be false.
@@chunkycornbread4773 Yeah. Hell, the author of Luke even says he wasn't an eye witness.
One of the best videos you have ever done so far. Good for you.
How do you have a day without a sun?
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So the earth had day time light and night time darkness for two days before the sun existed and we are supposed to take the bible literally. I really don't understand how young earth creationists can believe the crap that they believe.
Grow lights?
At one point the bald Christian says when god made the earth the fruit trees were created with fruit already hanging on them. Was the fruit season--appropriate? Summer fruits only on the trees that happened to find themselves in the middle of a summer season? And what part of summer? Early or middle or late? So were there some early fruits already rotting on the ground? And what about the fact that many fruit trees need the bees to cross pollinate them etc in order to bear fruit? These and other questions need answering.
@@fred_derf The story continues with the magic tree and snake talking to a woman and later angels summon a flaming sword. What do you really expect from people that really believe the story as historical account?
@Instrumentally Godless Thanks instrumentally. You are right, there are literally thousands of inconsistencies and absurdities, most of which are never actually even addressed by theists. Why anyone with a developed brain bothers giving the religious accounts any credence at all just astounds me.
Lets watch a bunch of people who are demonstrably wrong debate over who is demonstrably wronger.
Yup. Happy new year!
@@Paulogia Happy New year Paul.
Matt Walsh doesn’t buy into young Earth creationism? I’m kind of surprised but, good for him. More power to him.
Lol, the instant Christine Hayes' hair and clothes are shown, I knew the exact lecture series about to be referenced.
This... this is the most beautiful, amazing thing I've ever watched...
What about the kazoo kid?
And on the seventh day God rested...
and has been laughing ever since
That was like watching 2 children arguing whose sandcake tastes the best.
It's like debating which Batman is best
Or Star Wars fans vs Star Trek fans.
I attended a conservative, Christian school.
If Ken Ham had walked into our science class and said that the world was 6000 years old and people walked with the dinosaurs... the teacher and the entire class would have laughed him out of there.
I’ll debate young earth creationism for ten grand...
So its a debate to see who can polish a turd the most then..
It's more like a debate between two little boys claiming to know better than the other one what their imaginary buddy likes best for dinner. Just without the hair pulling and name calling.
@Trump Means ...
well one at least has downloaded the Mythbusters experiment and bought polishing paste and feltwheels and what not, while the other claims "all you need is spit and your jacket-sleeve... while sittin there in a shortsleeved shirt with no jacket in sight.
@Kevin McDougall
Well one thing is for sure... They have taken the chrome off it..
Bruce Campbell. He can polish any turd.
How did I miss this gem? Going to pause for some popcorn ...
Matt is less wrong lol
Should've used the mortal combat theme song for the intro
As a fellow Canadian and Athiest, I find your videos enlightening and watch every chance I can. Keep up the good work. I truly feel bad for young earth creationists. I couldn't live in a world with debilitating tunnel vision.
Atheism is false because you literally stupidly foolishly insulted christians nice job atheist!
Nope,too much money with this grifter
I'm about 18 minutes in, and this is like listening to kids arguing the existence of the Easter Bunny vs Santa Claus. I appreciate the effort you put in to this, Paulogia, but I don't think I'm gonna make it all the way through. It hurts my brain!
I don't know how he pulled it off, but somehow Eric Hovind turned out even more annoying than his dad.
One of my studies at uni was population studies under Dr. Woods (PSU) who developed the 'Malthus/Bosrup Ratchet' theory. These clowns have no clue about anthropology.
It's interesting to see that Matt is capable of scientific thinking. I mostly know him from his ravings on depression, which are so far removed from anything we actually know on the topic that even the words "scientifically inaccurate" would lend them too much legitimacy.
Listening Mat talk with science somehow makes me think that he is on the road to become an atheist.
Wait a second, they drew cave pictures of dinosaurs before the discovery of dinosaurs? Therefore young earth with dinosaurs? He should be forced to repeat that sentence until he understands why it's wrong.
I find it amazing that there are all of these interpretations of a book that is supposed to speak the truth. Seems to me like people are just using it the way they want
The scary thing about watching this in 2022 is realising Matt Walsh is capable of intellectual honesty...
Very well done video. Paulogia has presented each take on the subject in a fair and objective manner. And I feel that AIG just falls short in many ways. Set aside the subject, they make me question there point by failing to be honest. At least Matt appears to be being honest.
How in the world did you edit this? Incredible.
The bible is meant to be taken literally except when it's not.