What Makes An Ancient Greek Hero? GREGORY NAGY On The REAL Meaning Of Achilles & Patroclus In Myth

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2024

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  • @lukecaruana8871
    @lukecaruana8871 2 дні тому

    I stumbled on this today and I am soo happy to see young, bright minds presenting this in such a cool manner.

  • @Ehimaniac
    @Ehimaniac 2 місяці тому +2

    He was my hero, so to speak, in college. Absolute genius.

  • @LeeKempter
    @LeeKempter 10 місяців тому +2

    SUPER amazing!! I have the book already and was just going to start it as my Christmas treat when I hear about the free course at Harvard!!! WOW what a special treat I am definitely going to sign up for that!! What an enjoyable 2 hours (boy, they went by fast !!) so inspiring and thought provoking. Thank you so much to BOTH of you !!

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  10 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for watching 🫶🏼🤓

  • @jamesh2659
    @jamesh2659 18 днів тому

    Fabulous episode - it just fly by so quickly, would happily have kept watching.

  • @cinema8564
    @cinema8564 5 місяців тому +2

    Wonderful! And all the more for we, those with decades past, who have so little time left to us, to study and live and re-live these wonderful lives of heroes. Thanks. Mike

  • @jordanwiner8478
    @jordanwiner8478 5 місяців тому +2

    Professor Nagy!! I love that guy!!! he was my teacher at Harvard Extension 30 years ago! What a treat!!

  • @tumblyhomecarolinep7121
    @tumblyhomecarolinep7121 Рік тому +4

    Ohhhh this was amazing! Thank you. I bought the book and signed up for the course. One of the things that I really appreciate is when you, or your interviewers say you don’t understand something … when you are new to this ancient Greek world it can be overwhelming and I certainly feel I know such a tiny amount. But to hear you say you also don’t understand something really helps.. The more I read, the more these people in the books are coming alive to me. Ps I just read Herodotus the Histories… all of that brought the world to life. I know there are doubts about parts of it, but the fact that some stories fired up imaginations then and now is all that matters to me,.
    Anyway,I love these interviews and I know the work to produce them must be huge,

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому

      Oh believe me, I still feel like I only know such a tiny amount about the ancient world despite it being a part of my life for so long. It’s the main reason I do these interviews - so that I can keep learning, too. I’m so glad you enjoyed the video AND EVEN SIGNED UP FOR THE COURSE!!! How wonderful!!!

  • @TheGerbita
    @TheGerbita Рік тому +3

    What an honor, Erica!

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      I’m still in shock that this conversation even happened!!!! 🥹🥹🥹

  • @carolinasiqueira752
    @carolinasiqueira752 7 місяців тому

    Hi Erica, I'm reading this book thanks to you and it is sooo good!

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  7 місяців тому

      IM SO GLAD!!!! 🥹

  • @syntaxterror9479
    @syntaxterror9479 Рік тому

    Ooooh I'm auditing his class right now! He's so knowledgeable and passionate!
    Edit: (Now that I've watched the interview -- I got too excited and commented right away when I saw this in my algorithm) This was AMAZING, Erica. I'm so glad you got to speak with him. It's nice to see a more personal side of a professor who is so passionate about the topic he teaches. I'm a little envious you got to speak with him! :D

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      Professor Nagy is truly amazing!!!

    • @syntaxterror9479
      @syntaxterror9479 Рік тому

      @@MoAnInc he truly is. This was a great interview! I can't explain how excited I was when I saw this in my UA-cam feed. I might have made a mildly undignified noise lol 😆

  • @KevinArdala01
    @KevinArdala01 Рік тому

    This was a fantastic interview, so interesting, so informative. Can't wait to get his book now... In a similar vein, you should interview Mary Bachvarova. Her book, or tome, 'From Hittite to Homer' is brilliant: the suggestion that the Ilad descends from both Greek and Anatolian oral traditions to create the work of genius that is Homer's Ilad just blew my mind, in a similar way that listening to Prof. Nagy just has. ✌️

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      I’ll definitely check this out! Thank you so much for watching 🙏

  • @sofia-kf6rh
    @sofia-kf6rh Рік тому +1

    This was great. Now I ’m off to the Harvard course!

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому

      You will not regret it!!! 😍

  • @markknowles8498
    @markknowles8498 Рік тому

    Erica, well done on securing this man for an interview, firstly. Second, congrats on the interview! I devoured that: I only wish he'd kept going! And he's right... It's interviews like this that drive and inspire. Amazing stuff

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much, Mark! I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Professor Nagy (oop I meant Greg*) is absolutely phenomenal and chatting to him was such an honour 🥹 I’m still starstruck!!

    • @markknowles8498
      @markknowles8498 Рік тому

      @@MoAnIncHe really is, and comes across as such a lovely guy. I love the fact that he had real respect for you and your understanding of the texts, too.

  • @MatW1lson
    @MatW1lson Рік тому +2

    Thanks and good job! I was able to watch/listen all the way through; in one go. I have binged listened to him and Prof. Muellner and they are my favorites. Are you aware of The Center for Hellenic Studies? There are tons of videos of both professors on their channel. Also… they only have 16k subs.; so I told you this stuff is still niche and why things seem slow on YT. Ancient Greece and Rome are not hyped like other topics are on YT (e.g. finance, tech, and health/diet/fitness).

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому

      I’m so glad you enjoyed this!!!! And I know - I’ve watched all the Center Of Hellenic Studies videos it’s actually quite worrying how obsessed with them I am 🫠🫠🫠 Couldn’t recommend them enough for everyone else!

  • @TheCirclingMowass
    @TheCirclingMowass Рік тому

    Another set of books you bring to my attention I'll have to dig into in the future! Cool.

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      These will definitely consume you for a while 😂 They’re dense in the best of ways, but unbelievably worth it!

  • @miles5107
    @miles5107 Рік тому

    The way I read the Iliad, Paris must kill Achilles because it’s the most poetic manner by which Achilles can die. The thing that sets the Iliad apart, I think, is its ability to have this sort of poetic harmony throughout, and to a degree that I don’t really see in other works. (To me, it’s what makes the Iliad the greater work in comparison with every other work.) Accordingly, Achilles and Paris while not really a fair fight, must be each others’ ending - because they were each other’s beginning. Paris is the one who awarded the apple to Aphrodite. And he does this at the wedding of Achilles’ parents. There’s almost no one else who really could tie together, so poetically (in the sense of poetic justice), the beginning and ending of Achilles like Paris.
    Great video, and I'll have to look into that course and book. Thanks!

  • @carlosalegria4776
    @carlosalegria4776 Рік тому

    Fantastic.

  • @georginaroffe2137
    @georginaroffe2137 Рік тому +1

    Amazing! Sorry, could you give me information about the course you mentioned you did? It is possible to do it from another country? Thank you

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому

      The link to the course is in the description just below the video :) And yes! It’s online so you can take it at your own pace from anywhere in the world!

  • @carlscott4180
    @carlscott4180 Рік тому

    Slow start, gets cooking around 20 in, but among several fascinating factual tidbits, don't miss the one at 35 about classical-era Athenians gravitating towards Trojan-character names!

  • @aidanflanagan4953
    @aidanflanagan4953 2 місяці тому

    You should have said “I’m a Unitarian and have schizophrenia fight me.” I agree with his Pan-Hellenism, however who is to say individual poets were not the orchestrators of it in the poetry? Only a wide-travelled bard(s) would know so much about the varied corpus of the Greek mythos. Ik he’s too old but I can tell he wants to write a book about it.

  • @rolandopintos2979
    @rolandopintos2979 8 днів тому

    I love classics, but he’s so smart that I feel stupid listening to him.

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  5 днів тому

      Well that’s not good! I apologise for that - my goal was not to make the content inaccessible and I’m very sorry to hear that you felt it was :(

  • @Laocoon283
    @Laocoon283 Рік тому +3

    Little classics caterpillars 🐛 lol

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      We are all varying degrees of Classics Caterpillars 🐛

  • @erikwillemcoenen7473
    @erikwillemcoenen7473 2 місяці тому

    I have never understood how the Greeks could view Achilles as the most virtuous of all men. I can't construe any moral code in which he is that. His last verbal interaction with Hector is apalling.

    • @charlesfenwick6554
      @charlesfenwick6554 13 днів тому

      To the ancient Greeks the most virtuous was the greatest fighter.

  • @DrSales-zl3kq
    @DrSales-zl3kq Рік тому

    If ur name is Monique why do u call urself erica?

    • @MoAnInc
      @MoAnInc  Рік тому +1

      ... my name is not Monique hahaha

    • @DrSales-zl3kq
      @DrSales-zl3kq Рік тому

      @@MoAnInc You know you may be of use to me after all if you're as good as you say you are in Homer. I have a challenge for you. If you get the challenge right I have a business proposition to make to you. It's a question only somebody that is A) Bright and B) Thoroughly versed in Homer could have a chance of answering. Of course I know the answer because I discovered it last week in another ancient text. Prior to that it had been a secret for 1953 years. Are you interested?

  • @EliasGeorgiou-h7j
    @EliasGeorgiou-h7j 4 місяці тому

    Ανδρών επιφανών πάσα γη ,ταφος