We gotta talk about Scientology Parents
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Aaron and Jenna, I got out of scientology for good when my son was 4. One of my adult sons came to me last year because he was hurt by something I said to him when he was a teenager. I listened intently, I told him how sorry I was that I failed him in that moment, that I could see his pain and I believed him and I'm sorry he's carried that for so long. I hugged him, I made no excuses because I hurt my child. I asked what I could do now, how can I help and encouraged him to talk freely with me if he thinks of anything else. That is what you both deserve. Please don't feel it's necessary to silence or minimize your painful experiences. Your parents are adults. Their legal responsibility is to nurture and protect both physically and mentally, keep you in a valid school, with appropriate food and shelter. Regardless if they were abused or not. All three of us have broken the cycle of abuse because we take that commitment to heart. Love that you did this together. Sending love and respect to you both! ❤️❤️
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You sound like an amazing, super understanding person.
In my own story, once I found out that my parents were highly trained but not on lines, I felt it was my duty to bring them back. I actually succeeded but later regretted it. I was being the “ethical” one. The complexities are mind blowing! Thank you both so much for your stories!
You can see how much the two of you adore and support each other… it’s so lovely 💕💕
@@czarinacourtneyal-marmont4699 thank you for your kind comment. I feel like every child needs their parents' unconditional love and to feel they belong. Doesn't matter how old that child is, IMO it always goes back to that. Which is why parents need to continue being the parent.
Aaron and Jenna, I am a Never In and a retired journalist, and I am so in awe of how amazing and strong and intelligent and resilient you both are. You rock! Stay strong. I stand with you.
Aaron, I'm so sorry you feel like you should not talk about your childhood, nobody feels like you're whiny or something when you do. What happened to you and your brother is horrible, illegal and heartbreaking, it never should have happened, you can choose to express it how you want to. This conversation was very needed, thank to you and Jenna for sharing it with us
@@annafromitaly 💯💯 Exactly. We were writing a very similar comment at the same time ❤️
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My mother still tells me to dress warm on cold days and to take my vitamins , she even buys them for me because she thinks I don't buy them. She's 91 and I am 70 LOL.
@@IndoDutchess I love this! 💗
So cute
@@IndoDutchess That's the sweetest thing..... My father died 4 years ago at 91 and 1/2. I was 60. And he was always asking after me and wanting to make sure I was okay.💜
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love to you and dad❤
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Thank you Aaron & Jenna...great interview! My "best friend" (until I woke up & escaped out/she staying "in')....years ago she left her 13/14 year old kids on the beach in Malibu to join the Ses Org. As they later told me: "She told us there was $50 at the liquor store for us" (They did have a drunk Dad who lived on the beach).
Years later she had a 3rd child who had a very difficult life and shot himself to death .😮
One of the most powerful conversation to date with the both of you. This topic hits everyone in some kind of way. Your two voices are important & much needed. Love to you both!💙💜💙💜💙💜
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You two are doing valuable, difficult, emotional work. Thank you for that.
Dear Aaron - I knew there were going to be tears as soon as Jenna said that line. You two, and all 2nd gens really, have so much to unravel its amazing how well you're doing. ❤❤❤❤
Very nicely explained from Jenna...about how the comparing of her choosing to stay when her parents left was just not a level playing field whatsoever...so very nicely explained...great video...important subject...loved the insight.
Plus, she was a minor , they had the right to make her go, they chose NOT to
@@annafromitaly excellent point...I guess hind sight is always 20/20 and we can all see clearly what we as parents should have seen then...but you are dead right...they could have and probably should have insisted on taking their child...it was really just a simple case of abandonment...period...FULL STOP. ❤
When my oldest daughter was in college, she vented one evening at my late husband and I about some "issues" in her childhood. I asked him later if his feelings were hurt by that, and he said, "For whatever reason, she needs to be mad right now. That's okay, we're the parents, and it's our job just to listen and acknowledge her anger. Lord knows, we made some mistakes."
He was so wise, and I think about that now when they get mad at me (which isn't very often, I think because I'm willing to listen to them, and to say I'm sorry).
With that comment, I feel that he must have been a very honorable and empathetic person.
If people said '' im sorry '' more often, the world would be a better place. it's hard to say, but it can go a long way for the other person if you mean it. Homelander said ( I know just roll with it ) - For you it was a just another Monday, but for me; it was life changing. I think about that a lot. Sometimes people dont realize, but acknowledging it is everything! I wish you and all your family the best! Don't be too hard on yourself, we all have to learn, for some people its just harder but have faith in yourself :) Goodness and peace comes from within
Thing is children don’t always see the bigger picture, they see things at their limited level too. Best to say sorry for the fact they’re hurting even if you don’t remember. It’s no good trying to justify anything
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This is one of my favorite conversations so far. Very raw and, for me as I’m sure for many never-ins, a very timely topic. Thank you both for being so open with your experience. It makes me feel less crazy and not so alone. ❤
The parent-child relationship in Scientology is a very important topic. Thank you for sharing with us Aaron and Jenna. #kidscannotconsent
I love the conversations you two have for each other, because they're supportive and understanding while you give each other space to talk about really hard things. One of the big differences between you and your parents seems to be that you have wanted to change and grow, to learn from your life experiences and to try not to repeat your mistakes, and they seem not to be doing so.
Any parent who forces a child to make adult decisions, to force them to live without them, to have strangers raise them, for not ensuring they have the best education, to know they are required to physically work every day, have not been a parent. This is so cruel. It’s utterly unacceptable to treat their children like this.
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I think this so called “ church” is expert in using mind control using food and sleep deprivation techniques. I was very close to a family of Scientologists . Without being one. Very eye opening
Vous êtes formidables. Jenna et Aaron vous m’aidez beaucoup. Ma famille est en très mauvaise état à cause de la scientologie. Je vous écoute et j’ai les larmes aux yeux car ma mère a eu des mots très dur parfois. Mais je la pardonne. C’est COS qui s’exprime à travers sa bouche. Elle est sous contrôle.
Amour depuis Paris ❤🏴☠️🇫🇷
This is not a negative conversation about your parents , but a reality check that the damage from Scientology is deep and lasting... The insanity of teaching that children are the adults in little bodies is unfathomable!
Unfortunately I have noticed that our Scientology parents or ex Scientology parents don’t feel that things were done wrong to us. I asked my mom why she didn’t call the police on my two molesters and she said she wrote a knowledge report. In her mind that was the way to handle it. I told her that it child abuse, and child SA. For some reason she just doesn’t get it. Thanks Aaron and Jenna for talking about this.
Feel so bad for you. You deserve better. Maybe your Mum does understand but has to pretend because she has to live with herself. Ask her what she'd do now in the same situation if you can bear to talk with her
@@ServalanFan unfortunately she would say the same to me. Because she’s very much still a scientologist. Now she probably also say to me to stop being friends with SPs. I feel like the so called SPs understand me better than my mom.
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Aaron and Jenna I would be very proud to be your mum. As an Irish Mum I told my children I was the mum and they were the child So being their parent I took the adult worries and they only had to enjoy being a child. I also told them no matter what age they would be that I would always be their parent and would always be there for them. This has nothing to do with my faith it is trying to be the best parent I can be. This is why Irish children never leave home . My heart breaks for you and your mum ❤️
Beautiful sentiment❤
I was never a Scientologist, but I do relate to this. My mother is loving and well-meaning in many ways. But she was an enabler, not protective, and emotionally immature. My dad was abusive, violent, distant, an addict, and very selfish. I've long ago given up on ever getting any apologies from my dad. I am thankful for the small apologies from my mom, even though getting those took years and was like getting water from a stone, lol.
I find peace in just accepting my parents as they are because they are not going to change. Our relationship is not very close as a result of that and other circumstances, but I have finally come to a place of acceptance.
This is a really important discussion! Thank you so much for bringing a voice to something that I'm sure many people are also experiencing. It's pretty messed up that your parents can't take any responsibility and keep getting defensive, especially since you're really gracious and understanding about their perspective.
This is exactly what I struggle with in my relationship with my mom. She takes no responsibility, did it all for the greater good, I was happy and wanted to do it. Thanks for such a great stream! Sending lots of love to you both 💗
I love that you are processing and healing together. This was very healing for me as well both as a child from IBLP and highly coercive control and physically abusive childhood. And as a parent that is in the process of reflecting on my own accountability in my parenting. ❤
Listening to both of you talk about your childhoods is cathartic in a way. Keep supporting each other in this way. It's beautiful.
A fantastic conversation. And you both did incredibly well. None of you let your own kids grow up in scientology. Kudos to you.
This was one the best discussion I have heard regarding the affects of parenting, child raising in a cult or whatever else. Our words matter and they can have long lasting impact on the ears that hear them. Choose your words wisely!
Jenna, you seems to be an excellent reflective listener. When Aaron was having his moment, you didn't try to fix him, or try to fill the silent space, you just let his emotions play out. So hard to do!
Yes!!! ❤❤ she is wonderful
So wise and intelligent
Deep and powelful conversation. Thanks AAron & Jenna ❤
What an honest and insightful presentation.
It can be helpful to all parents if they are willing to hear.
Loved this conversation, thank you to both of you ❤🩹
Something my therapist told me that really stuck with me was “there’s a lot of shame parents experience knowing they may have hurt their children.” “Instead of acknowledging the hurt they caused a lot of parents deflect so they don’t have to feel shame.”
So very true! As a parent who raised my six children (all grown now) in a high control cult like church, apologizing and asking for forgiveness has gone a long way in our healing processes. As parents, we HAVE to own the responsibility AND accountability and express that to our children! My relationships with my grown children are so much better for it! I have always, not perfectly, tried to be a safe place for them to express their trauma. Thanks so much Aaron and Jenna for sharing your time with us! This is a vital conversation to hear and try not to be reactive, just receptive to. Much love to you both ❤
This was a great discussion. Very thought provoking. Talking this out like this helps promote understanding and ultimately healing. Love to you both. Keep bringing the great content.
I was in Scientology as a public but left 10 years ago. When I started with Scientology my son at that time was 6 years old. It stroke me very fast how unempathetic/cruel some Scientogists dealt with their children. Back then the ED of the org gave birth to her son. After one week she was back on post and left her new born with a baby sitter the whole day. I was shocked how a mother could do something like that. They always justify it with saving mankind and for the greater good. I think as a mother with strong empathy for her child/children could never raise them in the sea org. Therefore these parents who had their kids in the sea org and stayed have a different view point how to be a parent.
@@bettinaostermann5214 I'm so glad you got out of scientology and recognized the inhumanity towards children. Wishing you peace always
I agree 100% with the parent is always the parent. No matter how old you are. It is their responsibility to be a role model for their own child 100.
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I'm as a neverin I can't compete my experience with your situation, but I believe that it's also a generational thing! I as a 80:s kid and a mother that's a boomer, it took a long time before she could own her mistakes with my upbringing! But I have a extremely close relationship with her because she has apologized to me❣️ and my oldest son is 24 and we speak openly to his childhood, and he voices what he experienced that was for him traumatic, and I can now respond to him with a open heart and taking responsibility for what I had done wrong and apologize , so we are so close because of out openness and giving each other safe space ♥️ I'm grateful for the fact that we broke the generational trauma ❣️
I love you 2 together 🫶
Deep conversation, Guys. So brave❤
One of the things I have realized from my complicated relationship with one of my parents, being a parent is a privilege not a right
Love seeing the connection you two have ❤💪🏻You are both brave and making an ACTUAL difference in the world. You are helping me look at my behavior with my sons. 😬 I want to fix it!
Scientoligy = Disconnecting.
Aaron and Jenna =
Freedom.
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Thank you so much for choosing to express!!!
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I was not in Scientology and struggled with the same issues. 😢😢😢😢
Someone told me this weekend in a conversation a lesson they learned in Sobriety:
To allow your parents some grace. Like you are Aaron & I am Kelli now, so were our parents. They weren't given a manual for parenting and were winging it. They were just trying to navigate their adulthood just as we are now.
Scientology and Narcissistic Career driven parents are alot different obviously; putting your children first is the number one rule of parenthood. Protection requires a present parent. Kids can't make adult choices - EVER.
Yay! Landscape mode! 👍🏻👍🏻
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Saying you wanted to do it takes the onus off of her.
An absolutely wonderful, thought provoking conversation. ❤
You don’t know if you have a blind spot but you do know if you keep running into something . I gotta remember that
Really enjoyed this chat. My parents were public Scientologists in South Africa and left the church when i waa around 14. To this day i believe that much of their parenting beliefs were actually rooted in the tech and beliefs of L Ron Hubbard. A man my mother idolised and sent letters to. The language of scientology also persists despite not attending the church.. takes a long time to stop using the lingo.
It’s hard to hear from a parent negating or excusing, what you as their child grew up with. Thank you for this ❤
Not just in Scientology but for all us kids who grew up with violently & emotionally abusive parents, they Never admit it! Not at ANY age, just will Never happen. U have to recognise that & decide on the type of relationship u have with them thereafter if ANY. Love & peace ☮️ to All 💖💖💖
I have been telling my ex-husband this for more than twenty years. I will always be the adult in my kids life and they will always be the kids. Great topic
The child’s desire to please the parent overrules their actual desires as children.
My mother is a narcissist so not interested in me at all. My dad however is 90 & a sweetheart.
AAron & Jenna, I've never wanted to hug people so badly. You two sharing this is really going to help so many people, even those who weren't in a cult, like myself. I pray these honest conversations will help your family and with time change how your Mom receives your truth. Be patient and never stop trying to connect 💛You both deserve the best..i love you guys🙏🏾
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Thank you so much for this video! As a never in I can easily apply this to my childhood. My siblings and I were not provided for (we were dead ass poor) at all. Some days not knowing where next meal was coming from some months not knowing where we’d live the next month. Looking back my parents DIDNOT do their best to get us out of the poverty. And throw in some over the top Christian religion…Then seeing their grandchildren have the exact opposite lives it has never dawned on them to explain, apologize, or acknowledge the way we grew up. I SO agree with the parents are always the parents! Thanks again, ❤the two of you.
Aaron your tears give us permissiin to have our own. Respect them.💙
Jenna , you are a badass...Love you both❤
I stand with you both!
It’s not just Scientologist parents it’s everywhere
I won’t live that way with my kids
The Boomer generation are professionals at fucking up their kids and deflecting blame on everyone else but themselves.
The reaction of denial by Ex scientology parents is NOT the result of Scientology. Its simply human. Denial is protective to the ego.
Scientology is only about disconnecting. You grow up disconnected from parents, disconnected from society, disconnected from siblings, disconnected from faith, disconnected from education, disconnected from health institutions, and being prevented from knowing the big world outside Scientology. The realization of life missed as an adult is YOUR Victory! It starts a process of breaking the horrible past you’ve lived and opens endless possibilities for YOUR future and YOUR new choices to continue YOUR LIFE education! I’m so excited for you!
PART 2… you are ever learning… ever shedding, ever growing. Do not minimize your past hurts, you are only responsible for YOUR decisions today. You cannot fix parental mistakes of the past, you can only forgive.
Something my old mentor used to tell me that I find really useful to keep in mind, when facing pain inflicted by others in my past, "They are responsible for what they have done to you and how they behave now, you are responsible for how you move forward from this point on."
This was so brave. Love to both of you. As a mom of twins I cannot fathom a situation where they are split up.
Just because someone else claims to have it harder than you because their parents are still in and yours aren’t, doesn’t make your pain or hardship less. We can’t compare pain and ignore ours because someone else has it worse. That’s ridiculous. Everyone has to deal with what is on their own plate. You can’t compare. Please don’t do that to yourself and don’t let anyone pull that crap on you.
Aaron I can totally 👍 💯 see you were great 😊 big brother 😢and good 😌 to your mom. ❤❤❤❤❤
It breaks my heart seeing all of the broken people this "religion" has left in its wake. There is a lot of healing that needs to take place on all sides.. I hope all of you find some type of peace.
A-Aron…thank you for being vulnerable and showing your true raw emotion.
Especially being a male it’s so important for others to see it’s ok to be raw and show emotion!! You’re an example! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I believe it's paramount for a parent to acknowledge their mistakes to their child.
It's validating the child's feelings which is a precious gift. And it teaches a child how to own their own mistakes.
The same goes for other relationships, validation & acknowledgment is vital.
And PS, I've had to do this.
I have forgiven my mom blaming me throughout my childhood for being a burden and for doing nothing to protect me from the abusive men in her life. I don’t have her in my life because she maintains that I should be grateful to her for her doing the best she could.
Wow! You guys have an amazing, serious grasp on reality. How were you able to pull that off? Reality matters.
Dang this one is so accurate. I didn't grow up in Scientology, but I grew up in an abusive home in Iowa. My mom brought guys into my life that abused me (one for 16 years). Her and her boyfriend told me i wasnt allowed to tell anyone. To this day, if I bring anything up, my mom either says it didn't happen or "I guess I'm such a terrible person". I don't believe that parents are always the parent, because I parented myself. Up until recently at 27, I was parenting my mom and teaching her how to treat people. We're about one frayed string from no-contact, but I have a feeling my family would defend her because she's the parent. Thanks for sharing.
Such painful stuff. I'm so sorry. 💚
@@powerpuff4118 I'm so sorry, my heart hurts for you. I've gone no contact with many family members so I could heal without being shamed, blamed, gaslit and further abused. I hope you prioritize yourself and your healing journey knowing you are very worthy ❤️
I live in eternal respect that you are both willing to face and process your challenging experiences. It is the only path to healing. Kudos! 🤙♥️✌️
The responsibility of a parent to nurture and protect children does not vanish because a parent made a mistake, whether it was intentional or not.
Denial and excuses never help the individual grow, and hurts a relationship.
Unfortunately, Aaron's mother does not know how free and at peace she would be if she admitted to her role (deliberate or not) in the harm that her son experienced in Scientology. Her decision brought him into an organization that harmed him.
Denial is a prison.
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I wonder if the Scientology parents' "cold" response to their children's experiences is less about denial, and more about shame. 🤔 Not acknowledging the damage is a form of self preservation, imo. Someone would need to possess great humility in order to own up to their missteps as a parent. Unfortunately, not everybody is willing to admit culpability, and that's a shame: most of these hurt children would probably love and respect their parents more if they would.
Thank you for sharing with us!
While i cant say ive been through anything quite the same the both of you, the idea that we as parents have the ability to break the cycle we were raised in is very empowering. Thank you 💖
I know that with my own mother, she cannot take responsibility for my childhood and everything I experienced. It is too much for her, the best I can get is a vague apology. It’s almost like if she were to acknowledge everything that happened, it would destroy her. It’s unfortunate because it’s been destroying me for years. I think the shame is just too great. There is great strength in being able to acknowledge the past and apologize for it, it can change people’s lives. God bless those parents that have the humility to talk to their adult children with honesty and vulnerability.
Hey guys! Wow, there is so much I could say on this live stream. I won't bore you with it all. I'll just say thank you for sharing your inner thoughts & vulnerabilities on such a painful topic. It's so valuable for both ex scientologists + never ins like myself. Your truth about your childhood experiences is yours alone, whether your parents want to hear it or accept it. Shout it out loud as often as you're comfortable with & as public as you're comfortable with. Keep doing the good work. I hope it's cathartic & validating for you both. Lots of love B ❤️
Thank you for sharing this therapy session. My heart breaks for the children and all the abuse and long term damage they and you endured.
My daughter was diagnosed with asthma at 3. The pulmonologist told me you don’t outgrow asthma. However many children quit having the attacks as they get older. That’s what happened as she got older (thank God). But she still has asthma. It doesn’t go away. But the severe symptoms can
I really like the Stream it shows, you are wonderful people and very resilient.😃👍🏼✋🏼
Appreciate you both sharing your feelings, I can relate to some things that were talked about.
My mom apologized to me for staying so long with my abusive father which wreaked havoc on my and my siblings lives. She was beautiful and loving and her ego wasn’t involved.
My friend at age 16 along with her parents and her younger sister and brother wound up on the Apollo with LRH. After they were all out of COS she asked her mom why they uprooted the entire family from their Midwest town, school, friends etc and moved to this awful ship, which ended their education - her mom said because my friend’s dad wanted to. And she said the same thing - that the kids wanted to go.
On a lighter side, you two complement each other beautifully.
I’m so glad that you have each other and others that can help each of you understand all you’re dealing with. I’m also so glad that you have both found happiness after what you’ve dealt with. Keep up the good work. Flatten scientology and hopefully other cults will be squashed, as well!
I'm the same age as you, but as a parent to 3 kids, i just want to give you guys a huge hug. 💔
After I left the Sea Org I had a child. Had I brought that child into the Sea Org (or Scientology for that matter) my guilt would have been crushing. Protecting your children is job one for a parent, no level of trust is higher than the trust a child places in their parents.
Just love the way Jenna looks at you and is there with all that support and love 💕
Sorry folks. Your parents are totally responsible for your childhood. And Jenna you were 2 suffering from asthma!!! So they guilt tripped you physically & emotionally. 😢
Yes, thats the weirdest flex I’ve ever heard but more insight to the fact she’s never left the cult imo. ;)
this is raw❤ made me cry. love to u both
You two should just be very, very proud that you've broken the cycle of neglect and abuse.
Are their parents still in Scientology
@@missiris1234Aaron’s mother is an independent, Jenna’s parents are out and divorced.
I must be completely out of the loop, I didn't know that you and Jenna were in a relationship! Wild, wild life! You two look perfect together. The future is so bright for you two, keep on keeping on. I'm sure that you both getting your messages out there is helping and educating so many people about not only Scientology, but cults in general.
I didn't think they were.... So I googled it. Jenna's Wikipedia page says she's in a relationship with Aaron
I’m a mom of four grown children and all I want to do is hug you and love you guys for as long as you need. You were absolutely abandoned by your parents as children. It’s all their fault and you don’t have to forgive them or respect them if you don’t want to.
Im not a Scientologist, however I can relate to speaking to a mother who will never take responsibility for her neglectful and lazy parenting. I will never get that from her and it is hurtful. I have also been on the receiving end that somehow the poor parenting decisions were because of me and my choices/behavior.
I will never receive apologies from my parents either... Just lots of denial and hostility.
I am sorry for your pain. Please let go wanting the apology... It only holds you back because you are better than your parents. They won't give it to you and it won't heal you.
When I stopped looking for an apology and started giving the love and the support I wish I'd received to my own kids and other people in my life... I received it back 10 fold and that helped me to heal. When I examined how I love and support my kids, it helped me make sure they wouldn't go through what I went through.
If I sit and think about things... It still can hurt. But I look at now and the future more than yesterday. I can just be loving and who i wish they'd been today.
I hope you love yourself. You are worthy. Please don't let their garbage take away from you... Because it doesn't define you❤
Nothing heals an adult child’s wound more fully than an apology. No excuse or comparison…simply an, “I’m sorry my choices hurt you.”
This one of the most healing & important talks you’ve had in your channel’s history AAron. Thank you both for your openness and vulnerability. Your parents both sound like they have narcissistic tendencies, their responses are unfair & inappropriate. The parent is always the parent, till the day they die.
You need acknowledgement of what you had to go through (and then try to get past) and the parents made that decision for you. A simple apology and that they were wrong would go a long way.
Parents needs to take responsibility for their fuck up's.
Children are never responsible for being brainwashed.
I feel like the 2 of you make a great couple. I think you are both good for each other with your hearts and sense of humor.
I think u both sitting together and talking its like iam there with u guys. I think you are both great.
My very wise 89 year old , retired kindergarten teacher , always says that she believes most people do the best they can at any given moment : In retrospect, it may look like such a bad decision , but at the time, with the knowledge and resources available , the parent made the best decision they could at the time . I’d like to believe that’s true .
I have never been involved with COS, but I think it’s universal that the child is always the child. My son has always loved me and relied on my opinion and trusted me as his mom, but it took me a very long time to bring him around to understanding that he will always be my child (he’s in his 40’s). I still worry about him and would do anything to protect him. For a long time, he just couldn’t wrap his head around that bond from mother to child.
A-Aron…thank you for being vulnerable and showing your true raw emotion.
Especially being a male it’s so important for others to see it’s ok to be raw and show emotion!! You’re an example! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you for sharing your experiences of your childhood and adulthood. I am learning so much about cos, people, emotions, consequences, struggling, healing, relationships,and living. Thank you for sharing emotions and thoughts. Best wishes to you both, Aaron and Jenna
It’s like living in an orphanage ! You lose so much of your childhood, only your parents can fulfil that void but by the time you’re an adult you suffer that loss that your parents can’t still fill. As parents they should acknowledge that loss, knowing Scientology ideology was the problem.
My mum does EXACTLY the same to me about me, attributing my resilience and entrepreneurial success to having been toughened up in Scientology. It annoys me so much.
7:35 I know this pain 😢 I'm sorry you went/are going through this.