'Incoherent' immunity decision renders 'Constitution itself unconstitutional': Akhil Reed Amar
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- The Supreme Court this week severely undermined the principle that no one is above the law - a bedrock of our nation’s system of government - with its historic ruling declaring that presidents have absolute immunity for their official acts. In her fierce dissent, Justice Sotomayor accused the conservative majority of making the president a "king above the law." Eminent legal scholar and one of the most cited by SCOTUS, Yale’s Akhil Reed Amar, joins Ali Velshi to discuss the far-reaching implications of this seismic decision. Not mincing words, he calls it “one of the worst decisions in all of constitutional history.” It’s “not just in violation of the Constitution,” says Amar, “but also incoherent.”
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#Trump #SCOTUS #Politics
Strongly agree. Always remember that Trump is the first president in American history to ask for this kind of power. No one who would ask for this power deserves to have it.
Excellent point
They didn't have to ask because it was understood to be there until Democrats started trying to criminalize everything he did.
Remember when Democrats thought they could remove Trump over unfounded allegations in CO? The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 to smack Democrats down over their unconstitutional attempts.
Just because you disagree with the Courts finding (Supreme Court) doesn't make you right. Democrats had no problem with the Supreme Court when it ruled(es) in their favor.
Trust when I say that BOTH Bill Clinton AND Barack Obama breathed two sighs of relief after the ruling!!
@@CommaCam I don't see my other comment now. But TL:DR. No other President had to ask. It's always been assumed till DJT.
Not at all true, we've had many pseudo tyrants
Dear King Joe please remove and replace the Court
Biden should order the six right wing Justices removed to Guantanamo as an “official presidential act.”
@mslaerik66 -- Precisely --- Dems control the current "king" as anointed & crowned by the SC(R)OTUS. The Dems must USE THIS POWER immediately to clean out the fecal matter on the Supreme Court. The Constitution doesn't matter anymore to the SC, so the sitting President has immunity from repercussions or prosecution if the current president just summarily removes the crooked justices and initiates immediate replacement. No Senate confirmation required -- the Constitution doesn't matter until the newly shaped SCOTUS is seated and operating to reverse the recent immunity nonsense, and restore the Rule of Law under the Constitution.
Let's encourage and support King Biden as he proceeds to execute these "official acts" to remove this profound threat to democracy , cleans up the court by appointing justices who are actually qualified, not taking bribes, and not partisan. By ridding the Public of years of griding lawsuits, delays and worse, Biden is more likely to win the November election by an even larger margin.
Why, as I understand things you're all trying to bury me. Vote. Fix it yourself.
Military Tribunal for Roberts on treason.
@@jonathankaylor6672. You are incorrect. The Supreme Court’s decision elevates President Biden to Autocrat. President Biden can do anything he wants as long as he remembers to specifically labels the act as “official.” This was the corrupt MAGA Justices plan all along, no? Otherwise, the wouldn’t have elevated him to our Supreme Leader.
I no longer recognize SCOTUS as a legitimate body of law.
it's not corrupt and bought by billionaires
@@sharonwashington9315Did you mean “now” or “not”?
@reynoldsmathey How can anyone continue to recognize it in that regard? The Extreme Court is now legislating from the bench and is usurping the powers of the other two (formerly co-equal) branches of government. They are taking on the powers of Mussolini's Grand Council of Fascism.
@reynoldsmathey How can anyone continue to recognize it in that regard? The Extreme Court is now legislating from the bench and is usurping the powers of the other two (formerly co-equal) branches of government. They are taking on the powers of Mussolini's Grand Council of Fascism.
SCOTUS just made JOE BIDEN the king of the USA. JOE BIDEN can do everything that Trump tried to do and "for the good of the nation."
Joe Biden can make sure Trump will never be elected. Thanks SCOTUS
I'm still in shock that the Surpreme Court ignored the Constitution in their decision of Trump V United States. It is wrong legally and morally.
its all because of power, control and grifts from their billionaire supporters
@@CormacNJ I believe trump paid his supreme Court justice appointees. 🙏🙏🙏
When a body of legislative ignores the bylaws of the country it's supposed to represent...
I am not a Constitutional Scholar. I am not a Supreme Court Justice. But what I am is a citizen of this country. I have always been told that no man stands above the law. I wish to remain living in a country where the law stands above all else. Vote Blue. It's time to impeach a few Supreme Court Justices.
@@miguelmorales9667 you are really just mad you didn't get to railroad someone you disagree with.
@@DM-sy4hgSo you think someone is above the law?
@@DM-sy4hg It's usually not merely a disagreement because Cons are a cult of liars.
@@trac-ken no. This is such a FstupidTalking point. Ugh.
@@trac-ken obviously, the worshiper of the god-king wannabe believes His Worship is Emperor of the US.
SCOTUS has lost all credibility.
😂😂 Cry about it!
@@user-xh1fo7fv5rproject 2025 would destroy capitalism and cause America to fail it would turn us all into refugees and it would be a power grab and land grab they Don't Care about Us as Americans or as people
You can always move to Mexico. Bye.
@@patcomerford5596 But you're OK with an OSHA mandated vaccine and POTUS writing off student loans?
Funny how every institution the Democrats don't control is broken, and has to be "fixed".
The fact that it is an ex-president asking for this kind of immunity AFTER he's committed criminal acts, tells you everything you need to know. Such an appeal to SCOTUS is, actually, tantamount to an admission of guilt, isn't it? It's saying, if effect, "I committed crimes while in office, please save me from going to jail!"
This ruling only makes sense when you realize money and those who have it are in fact above the law.
they are the law
Dumpy has far more debt than actual money.
They bought our Supreme Court (e.g., Leonard Leo, Harlan Crow, etc) and now they own it and they own all Americans too. We lost our democracy and we didn't know what we had til it was gone.
@@intellectually_lazyhe who has the most money is the one behind the curtain telling the legislators what laws they will be required to pass and enforce on us peons.
@@tickytacky8078 Actually he is more rich than he has ever been so not sure what you are going on about. His stocks are reaping in billions.
I'm a man of a certain age. It is difficult to believe Americans are ALLOWING this injustice to obliterate our country.
This did not happen over night. This is the long term result of the Reagan Revolution.
@@steveo7006
Hear, hear. The seeds of this insanity were planted during the Reagan/Limbaugh years.
And those seeds are about to bear fruit. If Trump becomes the next president, it will likely be the end of the USA as a Free Democratic Republic as it transitions to an Authoritarian Autocratic Theocracy run by a President with absolute authority and a collection of oligarchs
@@omicron2018how so
Facts ❤
Our Constitution vs Project 2025. Pick a side..
Written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, the U.S Constitution is the world's longest surviving written charter of government. Its first three words-"We the People"-affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens. For over two centuries the Constitution has remained in force because its framers wisely separated and balanced governmental powers to safeguard the interests of majority rule and minority rights, of liberty and equality, and of the federal and state governments. Since 1789 the Constitution has evolved through amendments to meet the changing needs of a nation now profoundly different from the 18th-century world in which its creators lived..
More than two centuries after its ratification, the U.S. Constitution remains a vital and living document, strengthened by amendments, serving as both guide and protector of U.S. citizens and their elected officials. It has survived civil war, economic depressions, assassinations, and even terrorist attacks, to remain a source of wisdom and inspiration.
The creation of the U.S. Constitution depended upon the knowledge, experience, and dedication of its framers, just as its endurance depends upon the knowledge and experience of each succeeding generation of Americans. For this reason, it is important for us to learn and understand the governing principles of our nation, set forth in the Constitution.
I love the fact that the first 3 words of our Constitution are "we the people." This affirms that the government of the United States, exists to serve its citizens.
Honor our Constitution, and protect it at all cost, the same way it exists to protect us.
Semper Fi...🇺🇸.
Absolutely
@@DavidJ222 womp womp. You're getting all emotional over a Think Tanks wish list? These things come from far left think tanks all the time. It's called progressivism. Why is it a problem here?
It's like over 1000 pages and people have boiled it down to a few small select points they selectively pick out. It's a wish list not a promise by Trump.
the constitution is and always has been vague and flawed in favor of a time when no person could fathom where we would be today. It needed consistent tweaking as we have grown and developed, and the unwillingness to allow these tweaks is why we are here today. We should only carry forward the 'intent' but need to change the language so that it is clear and deals with current times.
@@noitallmanaz Intent has always been clear. It's progressives on the left who keep trying to change things.
@@noitallmanaz ever notice trump wants to get rid of it? be dictator on day one? being bought and paid for by putin is ok?
We need to hold every single politician accountable to the law.
Historically, it was just used to blackmail them to get their vote. Now, it's all out war in American politics, and we must defeat the reich-wing.
Thank you Professor Amar. Please continue to speak, share your knowledge, and help to enlighten us. Our Constitution and Democracy is in danger. We all need to stand up and speak up and so No, not today, not ever. You have given us HOPE.
trump's denial of Project 2025 is like him saying "Project 2025 stand back and stand by."
So you ate saying it's just another fake talking point.
@@DM-sy4hgI don't think he was eating anything😊
What a serial liar!! First Trump's saying he doesn't know nothing about project 25, then he says he agrees with somethings... He knows project 25!!!
Also the ones who are involved in this, are part of Trump's team. Trump is disgusting and dangerous.
@@DM-sy4hg Didn't mama tell you don't speak with your mouth full?
@@anotheruser676 it's like all msnbc/Biden people have the maturity of a child.
i seem to remember a court decision that laws that run counter to the Constitution are void
Marbury v. Madison (1803)
A particularly pertinent extract:
" it is apparent, that the framers of the constitution contemplated that instrument as a rule for the government of courts, as well as of the legislature. Why otherwise does it direct the judges to take an oath to support it? This oath certainly applies, in an especial manner, to their conduct in their official character. How immoral to impose it on them, if they were to be used as the instruments, and the knowing instruments, for violating what they swear to support!"
This ruling will go down in history right alongside Dred Scott and Citizens United
Call them corrupt. Use the word. Corrupt.
The only person I've heard call these corrupt judges corrupt, is Rep. Crockett.
Say the words!
They are corrupt. And our Constitution is ill-suited to guide the country in dramatically changed times, which gives the court plenty of room to bring the country back into the past. It's lovely and quaint, but nearly useless now.
CORRUPT!
Corrupt.
Corrupt "
Rep Crockett is fantastic!
We do not have a Supreme Court. We have a Dollar Menu Fascist Tribunal. We do not have a Republican Party. We have The Fascist Cosplay Traveling Circus Roadshow.
A menu even McDonald wouldn't Super Size.
@@Ontheroxxwithsalt and so you want the president yo have unchecked power?
also called maganazis
you now have the republican crime family a division of the trump crime family.
Great fundamental Analyst 🎉
The interesting thing about what’s going on is that if the founding fathers were around, I’d be willing to bet they would have had all six of the justices imprisoned or as in their day, they would have had them put into a pillory in the town square. I highly doubt they would have sat back and let them do this to the country that they risked their lives to create.
Can Biden NOW drop 6 new Supreme Court Justices onto the bench, and let the lawsuits begin, then END with the new 15-judge Supreme Court? Please. If presidents are immune from crimes, they should also be immune from doing a good thing.
There's an argument for 4. The Supreme Court justices oversee a specific circuit they're assigned. There's 13 of thrm now so a few are doubling up on them. Adding 4 more could more easily be argued to ease the load. 1 justice each.
King Biden can do whatever he pleases now. 😂 he just has to claim its an official power of his. He doesn't even have to leave the presidency. He can overthrow it like trump tried to do. 😂 there is literally nothing stopping him. 😂
That is the answer
Correct!
Not immune from crime just official acts as president
A supreme court Justice Ruling on a case that involves something his wife was heavily involved with? This is a Major Conflict of Interests. How has supreme court become so corrupt.
Thank John Roberts.
The 6 judges on the Supreme Court did sedition. They are complicit with Trumps criminality. Impeach them.
The 6 judges on the Supreme Court did sedition. They are complicit with Trumps criminality. Impeach them.
Money
Heritage Foundation hand picked these Justices for their loyalty to the GOP and weak morality. These rulings are almost 30 years in the making. Shame on Democrats for not fighting to fix the corruption at every step along the way. now it might be too late
I wonder how much the SCOTUS charges for a fair trial?
A great fishing trip or paying tuition for a family member is the going rate.
one gazillion rubles
@@AugieRockero or a buck, they're worth about the same.
70 million for a fair decision? (They don’t hold trials.)
@@cuzr702No. This ruling was down partisan lines
Their system is so disproportionate and undemocratic, crowned with a Supreme Court with lifetime appointments and zero oversight or accountability, that it's not at all surprising to watch it collapse like this, sad as it is.
There are theoretical methods to deal with them, but they rely on our similarly antiquated Congressional system that massively favors the far right to somehow gain a 2/3's majority to do it. Since the entire Republican Party is on board with this plot to entrench their power, the far right judges are practically invincible.
*I feel that a copy of the Constitution should be sent to every person who is registered to vote.*
No member of SCOTUS that makes such a glaring mistake should remain a justice.
The Republican Justices know their ruling is nonsense. They are corrupt cult fanatics, but they aren't stupid. They were selected to enable an authoritarian Christofascist regime in return for $$$. they've delivered so far
It wasn't a mistake.
@@gbozoki
the court made a huge mistake, they just won’t admit it.
This is intentional
There's no mistake. They just believe themselves so untouchable that they don't have to bother pretending to be objective or honest in their rulings. Now they can do bidding of their donor class and cherry pick cases to rewrite the laws to clear themselves of any wrongdoing afterwards.
*WE NEED impeachments, code of ethics enforcement, term limits, and more rational justices in the SCOTUS and a new 28th Amendment that states so!!!* VOTE BLUE!!! 💙💙
@@spinthis56 Why are you depending on the Democrats to save you? They have utterly failed as leaders. They should have expanded the court three years ago and did nothing. Durbin, head of the judiciary committee, has done absolutely nothing. They won't impeach. They won't enforce a code of ethics. They won't pass a new amendment to stop judicial corruption. Both parties got us here. Neither of them will get us out.
You just installed a Justice who doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman. Is that your idea of rational?
@@turdferguson3475 I know what a woman is because yomomma showed me last night
@@turdferguson3475 what about Sotomayor? Her opinions read like they were written by an angry teen.
@@DM-sy4hg You don't seem to understand adult stuff.
So the president is totally allowed to talk about committing crimes with their cabinet?
Check Roger
Yes it actually makes complete sense because the President cant commit crimes.. for example, if he orders the killing of a terrorist, he is immune from "crimes" committed while acting as president. If he snuck out of the white house and stabbed a stranger.. that wouldn't be acting as president so he would not be immune
He can talk about committing crimes with whomever he wants. They mention the D.O.J. specifically but anyone. And commit the crimes. And he cannot be prosecuted for those crimes.
Where in the Constitution does it say that?
Bidens quid pro quo on live broadcast to millions
@@manarciso1988nothing that the bias Supreme Court ruled on immunity is legal.
Can this ruling that SCOTUS made be reversed by any means? This is all incredulous and terrifying, especially for its long-term consequences.
I also want to know this
No, not unless the Supreme Court itself changes it.
Fairly said...
Hello 👋
Shame on those corrupt MAGA judges
There is no MAGA judges. Democracy brought us all of them and maybe you should respect democracy and the judges.
@commonsense3632 - Not a democracy, a republic. And a constitutional republic demands equal application of the law.
@@commonsense3632 MAGA is a brain worm
@@commonsense3632 wrong. The SCOTUS is given lifelong appointments SPECIFICALLY to remove political ambition/drive/influence. Democracy is supposed to have nothing directly to do with it.
Unfortunately, after almost 250 years that has failed, and needs to be corrected.
You are obviously lacking in civil/civic education for the US, so a foreigner, OR someone that did not listen in class. Educated yourself and you will see that the points the right are using are NOT inline with the constitution. Democracy is not applicable to the SCOTUS, and should NEVER be. The law does not have a political motivation....multiple current justices DO. That is a sign of corruption...the FACT they are getting bribes to keep it that way ( see Thomas, and Alito, and Gorsuch's benefactors) is evidence of this.
They would already have been impeached and removed, but for politics.
No bud, and contrary to your namesake, you show little common sense.
@@commonsense3632 Democracy brought us all of them? Wrong, the judges were not elected but selected.
You don't have to be a lawyer to know what scotus did was wrong!!
Yes it is common sense
Just remember #45 said he wants to terminate the constitution. So vote accordingly if you want to keep your civil and constitutional rights.
Ali Velshi and Ari Melber are two of my preferred journalists to follow on mainstream media. I'm not highly educated. HS graduate, but have voted in every presidential election since 1988 and I lean left.
I've seen a few interviews that Ali has had with Professor Amar. He enlightens me with his love of law during these turbulent times. Our vote matters. Let's hope that America awakens from this nightmare and denounces these fascists. I've noticed how since Reagan, Gingrich and Buchanan the right has had a slow and steady rise.
You can be educated without a formal degree. Being a good person is much more important than one's education. I have this belief that members of marginalized communities and those who have less power than white men learn much more about life without a formal education than many of us who hold multiple degrees. You have likely learned things that white men have never had to learn. I'm sure that you already knew that and you absolutely don't need my affirmation as if that would mean anything. Nevertheless, between not stating this truth and stating it, I felt it was better to say it. Be well!
@@robertproctor977 your comment is greatly appreciated.
Hello Monica
@@robertproctor977 So true. And by his writing, she has had some informal education. She can write with correct grammar. I know that doesn't jive with what you're saying. But I just thought I throw my two cents in there.
And 40% plus of Americans either can’t see the danger, are for it, or just don’t care.
Do you think Trump has 40% of voters or 40% of Republicans?
Or are looking forward to the danger with glee because they think they would never come under any threat from the danger.
That’s just sad! 😢
What are people supposed to do? We don't vote for the justices, they are selected by others. So do we ignore the highest court in the land? It's obvious, to them we are nothing.
One must accept a certain level of risk if they want to turn this nation into a White Christian nationalist fascist state.
They clearly see the constitution as an obstacle to circumvent, not a document to interpret.
I think you are correct, but in their infinite stupidity, they have granted the sitting Democratic President the power to basically reshape the court by enforcing the Constitution's required provisions for making Amendments to the Constitution. And such an official act is immune from prosecution.
“If the Republic lasts this long…”
yup, I heard that, too. He's right. We are such a corrupt nation. Well, not we, but those certain others.
Never in our worst nightmare could we imagine a SCOTUS like this.
VOTE JOE! NOT THE HANNIBAL LECTOR PRAISING PSYCHO!
This!
Just read that court opinion and you don't have to be a lawyer to find it ridiculous
I read it. Looks pretty good to me.
@@stevebriggs9399 Then you don't have the brain power to comprehend what it says, which surprises no one. Plus, there is no way a MAGAt would be able to read 10 pages of any ruling, let alone 146 pages. Lol!
@@stevec4185 nah they got it right. The SCOTUS saved you from yourselves. Saved us from becoming a banana republic too.
How about the part, you can't even look into the presidents motive or intent, for any official act!!!!!
@@stevebriggs9399
He basically said that we don't need the education of a lawyer to find something ridiculous in the written findings of SCOTUS' opinion about Trump v United States. Are you following along with me?
But not everyone is capable. If you are not up to the task, then you will just have to trust in the opinion of your favorite experts. That's why Mr. Akhil Reed Amar is the subject of this video.
THEY TRIED TO BEND IT, FOR A CONVICTED CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beyond disgusting
Everything that Trump's accused of, the SCOTUS justices have made it LEGAL..That's a violation of their oath to the constitution and the rule of law. Remove them asap and charge them for treason and aiding and abetting a insurrectionists.
@@allieelectra23 Kind Of Makes Me WONDER: IF THEY KNEW ABOUT THE INSURRECTION, BEFORE IT HAPPENED????!!!! THEIR ACTIONS, ARE DOING A LOT OF SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need an Executive Decision...DISSOLVE THE SUPREME COURT
@@loue-blackNEVER going to happen junior. This is not Dems country. This is American's country and no true patriot is going to allow your socialist BS.
The alarm bells should have been ringing loudly when SCOTUS departed the meaning and intent of article three in the 14th Amendment. In so doing, they removed the capacity of the Constitution to defend itself.
money and agreements they made with the billionaires
Kudos for getting actual scholars on the show here, not professional 'pundits'.
Hitler had his "ENABLERS" also !
Hitler had hair too! And two hands! Now look at Trump! They are literally the same thing!!!😮😮😮😮
There has never been a less intelligent species than the Democrat.
Hitler was elected.
The real concern is all the people buying the lies.
Most of the people responding to this....
Which one? There’s too many to count from the right.
@@Fstate you are the 1 buying the lies
Why aren't we talking about what can be done to undo these terrible rulings?
Because the only answer has and always will be
Human rights....
Ever wondered WHY we don't operate under human rights?
Because human rights isn't debatable and it would automatically label right wingers here as a threat.
Couldn't pretend they're simply a different POV because human rights guidelines aren't debatable.
Because the only way to do that is to remove the judges who made the decision, which is a lengthy process with no guarantee of success, especially with how divided Congress is.
Because nothing can be done to undo these rulings.
My biggest complaint is he didnt show or point to the part of the constitution that says people are still criminally liable.
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7.
"... but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."
off course not. then they lied and are corrupt
Presidential protection was from civil liability. The fact that they asked for absolute immunity, immunity from criminal activity, is an abomination. Their decisions on presumptive immunity and no clarity on official duties also makes this a situation that makes it significantly more difficult to hold the president accountable.
That's for the lower courts to hash out.
Makes it impossible actually. If he murdered someone 20 years before becoming POTUS and admits it to HIS AG, the evidence can't be used because it was gathered when he was engaged in an official act, talking to his AG. Unless something is done I do not see how the USA avoids bloodshed if Trump is re elected. And the red states will never agree to a constitutional amendment unless there is a dem POTUS, Then they will pass it faster than you can say lock her up. The SCOTUS and GOP have decided to light your democracy on fire for one orange goof.
The world is terrified.
@@jamiemiller6156 wrong. So wrong. Civil immunity was handled decades ago because a former president was sued in civil court for firing someone. We have never had a political party try and jail a former president before just to retain power. That is why the scotus had to now take on CRIMINAL immunity. You guys over reached.
@@stevebriggs9399 Pfft! Till it gets litigated all the way to the Supreme Court, who will have the final say on what's official and unofficial! What a powergrab for the rightwing Judiciary Branch and their chosen rightwing candidate!
@@menghao737 If you read the decision, you would know that hashing out what's "official" and "private" is supposed to be adjudication in the lower court. That's why they remanded the case back to the DC Circuit.
How are the justices allowed to give ttump this immunity when the very Constitution says "no-one" is above the law, even the president? So what can be done about it? Where are the people who holds these justices accountable?
We the people must hold them accountable. If we don’t care enough to vote out the party that appointed the corrupt Supreme Court Justices, then we get what we deserve. Without our support, the Constitution is just a worthless pile of paper.
It's us. Not someone else. Us.
This is why people need to vote blue down the ballot and trust no republican ever.
the problem is, the person who should make sure they are doing the right thing has no backbone or balls Chief Justice Roberts
Nobody is coming to save us.
How can Alito and Thomas, two of the highest jurisprudence officers in the land, be on the side of Trump, the insurrection, and a second term for Trump, this time with Project 2025, full immunity, and a gutted Chevron doctrine? How are their heads not exploding from the cognitive dissonance?
because they are influenced by billionaires money is the root of all evil and greed
And their deep desire to Rule over We The People in every aspect of our lives while they and their corporate patrons bleed us all dry.😢
Can’t these conflicts be used to repeal their decision?
Just reading The Declaration of Independence and why our country listed our grievances, it’s not difficult to comprehend what lead to our Constitution.
This was an absolutely horrible decision from SCOTUS.
@meganann3876 -- The horrible decision won't stand ... unless we-the-people refuse to stand up for our Constitution. Remember, the Democratic sitting President in the WH right now is immune, thus the Constitution and Rule of Law don't apply to him when he's taking official acts to keep our Democracy intact and punish a corrupt court that tries to Amend the Constitution without taking the steps required to Amend the Constitution. (ratification of Amendment provisions by 2/3 of the States)
The "Declaration of Independence" applied exclusively to ENGLAND; the Founders were not declaring independence from the gov'ts they all along controlled. And it has never been law; that's why we have the Constitution, which IS law.
And IN BETWEEN the "Declaration" and Constitution were the Articles of Confederation.
Law is a PROCESS, not an "instance".
And the "Declaration" was preceded by a lengthy legal history that eventuated in it.
Believing one can understand the "Declaration" without knowing anything of its context is erroneous.
@@jnagarya519If the Declaration of Independence had never been written, we wouldn't have had the Revolutionary War. We therefore wouldn't have the Constitution either.
Clarence is now going after Contraception and OSHA!! Before OSHA we had 38 worker deaths A DAY!!
@@Gretabpoohwhat's your point?
Something is definitely WRONG
Yeah, and I bet Putin is involved.
Nothing is wrong. You just disagree and you grew up in a home where your Mama and Papa let you do whatever you wanted and now you think the rest of the country has to agree with you or "something is wrong". 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Time to grow up buttercup.
the influence of billionaires to corrupt the SCOTUS and judges in the justice system
Complex topics are broken down so easily. Everything is made so understandable.
I never thought I would see the day bribery would be legal 😢what has happened to DEMOCRACY!
“one of the worst decisions in all of constitutional history.”
“not just in violation of the Constitution, but also incoherent.”
- Akhil Reed Amar
SCOTUS Insurrectionist Coup ruling. Treasonists, "Lock them up!"
@@mustafa1name - Laws do not apply equally to everyone.
We give diplomatic immunity. We give whistleblower protections. We give absolute immunity. We have sovereign immunity. Judicial immunity. Also qualified immunity.
@@TheRealCrimdor save we don't practice, until now, sovereign immunity to a man, only a government and never practiced absolute immunity until the SCOTUS anointed a god-king.
Next, all churches will need golden Trump calves on their steeples.
@@TheRealCrimdorabsolute immunity is *not a thing*
@@TheRealCrimdor You keep saying this. B
A) it's not true. B) the founders and states clearly did not want this, C) we got this far without it, and D) why would you carry water for a lying con man like Trump? Sad.
Shame on Trump
Sadly, he doesn’t know what that is!! Vote Blue 💙
Trump is the realization of Revelation chapter 13, unfortunately during our lifetimes.
It's not so much on trump as those who enable him. He's the pus filled scab that reveals the cancer lying beneath.
An innocent man would seek a quick trial
What is an "official act" about inciting an insurrection?
So while impeachment of these justices is the proper route, perhaps the alternative is for the current president to terminate their employment for failure to execute the duties of their office, and rescind the Court's decision by executive order.
Since when is impeachment a SCOTUS justice because they handed down a decision that you didn't like become a "proper route".
Gop no morals Dems no spine. Even with the powers GOP give as gifts.
These are the people worried about Presidential power and corruption^
Same people that tried to kick him off the ballot and use Jan 6 rioters as an excuse to take away people’s choice in an election.
Nice try. The President is not the justices' employers and has no authority to terminate them. In fact, their appointment tenure is for life, basically. Any Executive order to the contrary would be void ab initio and unenforceable and a violation of separation of powers doctrine. The impeachment idea is wonderful, but when was the last time a SCT Justice was impeached? (Answer: never; requires 2/3 approval by Senate.)
Yes. He can do this. The question is, will he do this? He is trying to please everyone, and in the end, no one is pleased.
THIS court won't reverse themselves. they know exactly what they did.
The s. court didn't save us. Now, we save ourselves.
Vote Biden/Blue all the way down the ballot until every maga/election denier is out of politics. Democracy is an American issue. We need Democrats, Independents and Republicans to vote Biden/Blue
Given the loud bipartisan disapproval the ruling has received, I think one or two of them would revise it if given the chance. Roberts does care about *his* court's reputation.
They reaffirmed what we already knew. I knew about presidential immunity 40 years ago when I was a kid. How were you unaware? Without it they could do the job.
The might if Biden wins, since their goal was to get Cheetolini for president. They don't want the Dems to have all that power.
Yea, upheld the same immunity that Nixon and Clinton got....
Very proud of Akhil, went to school with him in Walnut Creek Calif. , as a kid and knew he was destined for great things.
The Supreme Court should be challenged....this is a depraved and irresponsible ruling!
Who can overturn their ruling?
The founding fathers gave us a government of LAWS - with NO ENABLING CRIMINALS - AS NOW SIT ON OUR HIGHEST COURT! The blatant immorality is shocking.☀
Out to be Supremacy at all cost to voters.
"Trump v. United States." Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
Worst decision ever from the US Supreme Court even worse than Dred Scott which fertilized the soil for the civil war.
Vote blue to save our country. Google Fascist and dictatorship. Do you want a fascist to run this country and under a dictatorship, there is no freedom for ANYONE
Yes, that is beautiful: "Trump v. United States."
Thank you, Veshi and your guest. It's good to have you back on the air. ❤
Thank you Ali Velshi for all you do to bring truth into journalism, and integrity and, honesty into the lives of the American people!
I was dumbfounded by that decision. We will suffer,as a nation, by it.
Until they’re impeached. Vote Blue!
Vote for democracy 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
Today; one is above the law. Tomorrow; there will be no law.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no law because if the president cannot be prosecuted for some crime but I can be prosecuted for the same crime, it seems to me there is no law. I do not respect any law that treats my violation of it differently from another US citizen's violation. Even the President. He works for us -- not vice versa.
The SCOTUS just abolished the law by giving donnie total immunity, the SCOTUS should all be held accountable for this BS
Every president has committed crimes far worse than Trump ever has and the DOJ policy is not to prosecute presidents so not sure what the problem is here. This is the way its been my entire life. They already had immunity to a certain extent regardless. All they did was clarify it more.
The iowa governor violates state constitution (and the will of the people) regularly - backed by her pet monkey AG.
Can king joseph of the US, have these judges removed and charged for their crimes?
Not only should Alito and Thomas be impeached,but all the illegal money from their personal Oligarch should be fined,as well as their funders!!!!!!!!
SCOTUS must be balanced to represent a 50/50 left/right split. The Supreme Court should NEVER be imbalanced.
Its always unbalanced. It swings one way or the other. That's by design.
@@Channel--Ai It should never swing 6 to 3. We are living in a period with the most imbalanced court in nearly 100 years. This court is imbalanced to the point that it does not even come close to representing the registered voter pool. This results in a judicial tinderbox that is already exploding.
@@Channel--Ai eliminates law and creates new? since when?
Supreme Court Judges should not be presidential appointments they should be decided by other judges or by a vote of the people and no one gets a lifetime run mandatory term of 12 years. Make it happen Congress !
The structure of the Supreme Court ensures judicial independence but also means that the ideological leanings of the justices can significantly impact the Court's decisions and, by extension, American law and society.
You can't have it both ways -- You can't have a SCOTUS that is independent but also accountable to ___________? Who would they be accountable to? And if they are accountable, then what is the purpose of SCOTUS?
Fascists. Literally is what they are by definition.
Yeah, you don't know what fascism is
@@LooseConnection Fascists are the ones censoring people. You know the reporter that said the White House send her the questions ahead of time yesterday has already been fired?
@@DemonDog444 Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3] Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism,[4][5] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left-right spectrum.[6][5][7]
@@DemonDog444 actually, YOU don’t know what it is. You’re likely in a small unairconditioned room with fly tape somewhere in another country. Get a life
@@DemonDog444have you even read a basic definition of fascism? This is textbook bud
I am so glad to hear someone who is an expert on the constitution say what the court decided it should say does not make sense! I thought it read like a two-year-old trying to write an adult paragraph, but apparently it wasn’t just me! The six justices ought to be ashamed of themselves, they are a disgrace and should be removed and will be removed in time. They left it till last because they knew the flack it was going to cause! Then they scattered like little spiders! They should not
Be allowed to return, the six that wrote this outrageous descent! Thank you Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson for being the ethical judges on this Court! You can hold your heads high! The other six, they are now in the gutter!
Like I said to my grandparents when I was just a lil dude " you preached about love and peace until you made the money, and now you did nothing but weaken love and peace."
Thomas and Alito needs thrown in prison. No.due process.needed. 6 justices destroyed that need.
Ah, yes... throw everyone that doesn't agree with you in prison... that's VERY "Democratic"
Wanda : So what you are saying is since Thomas and Alito don't think like you they should be thrown into prison ! Amazing !
@@Neverforget71324 Federal officials accepting bribes violates federal law. Thomas has certainly accepted bribes. Alito engaged in sedition which is also a crime. that's not a disagreement.. that's law
@@tailor383 no. because they committed crimes. their opinion is wrong as well but that's neither here nor there
Traitors!
Why can't we have an up rise on the Supreme Court, at least a million or more strong.
Because that's called an insurrection.
We don't need an uprising. We only need the current sitting "King" President to summarily remove the corrupt justices who are trying to Amend the Constitution without due process for Amendments as specified in the Constitution. (ratification by 2/3 of the States) Then replace them with more qualified justices who are inclined to adhere to their oaths, and get rid of this immunity nonsense to relieve the current constitutional crisis.
You could start organizing protests.
If Dump get elected, protests will be outlawed. Enjoy. /s
@@stevebriggs9399nah just tourists remember?
Past basic corruption one has to ask if the court is not simply under the blackmail of some malevolent "benefactors" now collecting their dues.
Then why has no one started proceedings to impeach these judges ????
because they are scared it is time for accountability
The Federalist Society is a front for Leonard Leo and his gang of billionaires.
‘Struth
They need to be investigated
Something must be done about the lawless scotus
Someone is going to impeach some of the Justices.
The court is NOT going to say, "oops." Not this court. Not ever. They will have to be dealt with from outside.
article 1 sec3 caluse 7 of the consstitution says he is not above the law in plain english
So does the SCOTUS decision.
So does the decision.
The Supreme Court can't change the constitution
@@stevebriggs9399 As long as the president prefaces every action with; "As an official act" and every crime committed becomes legal. De Facto Immune.
Where in the Constitution does it say the president has immunity from prosecution? Did the justices just make this up?
Yes
So should we put Obama on trial for his bombings in Yemen?
Biden for killing civilians during the Afghanistan withdrawal?
Should Clinton get in trouble for ruining Monica Lewinsky's life?
I can't think of a modern day president that hasn't paid our money for silence and do recall many on the left using violence to get their way.
Interesting isn't it.
they did. they are giving Trump cover for his crimes so the GOP can retain power. They know the Dems don't have the spine to use the immunity they just got gifted to so it works out for their team
Nowhere. Yes.
From what I understand said he has immunity for prosecution for official acts. Using this logic if he orders the death of 50 or so congress men as an anti-terrorism measure (because he has to protect the US from enemies foreign or domestic), they can not test the legality of it?
This is what happens when you let a Home Alone 2 cameo to become President.
There has always been a 2 tiered justice system. Not in the way DT claims, but it has been 1 for the " have's " and another for us " have not's "!!!!!
This ruling feels like the beginning of the end.
Not the beginning. Just the next step in the slow progression toward fascism.
Nope just the beginning to stop allowing democrats to use the judtice dpt of a weapon
@@SHaTRO11 to stop fascism maybe
@@SHaTRO11 leftists are the fascists
@@Iburn247is there a specific aspect to the case you disagree with, or do you just call the whole thing a witch hunt?
When the chief executive of the military gives an illegal and unconstitutional order. It is up to the generals and the military to ignore and refuse to follow such orders.
Therefore it reasons that if the supreme court fails to uphold the constitution and gives an illegal ruling, let every lower court do what is constitutionally right, and ignore their unconstitutional ruling and directives. Then allow the case to be appealed back up to the SCOTUS and let them try to defend each and every corrupt decision that they have to make on a case-by-case basis. The supreme court wants the lower court to do their dirty work for them. Don't do it. Let them get their own hands dirty and show the American people how corrupt they really are.
Yeah I’d really like to hear from some soldiers on this
How…HOW! Does 6 people say 1 person is above the law when they themselves said (when they were confirmed) “the president” is NOT above the law.
"the president needs to have absolute immunity in order to do their job" except for every president before him for the last 248 years.
WE DONT HAVE 2 YEARS FOR THE COURT TO DECIDE TO REVERSE
Dems don't need two years to reverse. They have a President who is immune from official acts committed to enforce the provisions of the Constitution. Said President can remove the crooked justices next week, and four new ones installed before the election. No Senate confirmation required given that the Constitution doesn't count anymore. The President can confirm them.
@@cjsnidlio9409 Why would we want to reverse it?
@cuzr702 Trump's legal team argued before the Supreme court that the president could order seal team 6 to assassinate a political rival and not be prosecuted. Just stop. No need to make a fool of yourself. We all know if Biden broke laws with his apparent new found power. Republicans or Trump supporters wouldn't stand for it at all. This court has a member who flew an upside down flag in the days after January 6th to show his support for Trump. And another member who has received 2.4 million dollars in "gifts" from a major conservative.
@@cuzr702use your brain… why would America not want a president with complete immunity? Hint: Germany had this problem before.
Trump 2024! Bring on the Trump Derangement Syndrome!
He's to optimistic. This court is NO BUENO
The Prof. meant poop not oops, on the review in hind sight.
He's hoping the reminder that they had been previously respected and the bipartisan disapproval will cause one or two of them to reconsider their decision by the time the appeal of Judge Chutkan's determination of the case makes its way back up to them.
*too
Do better.
Is there nothing that can be done about the SCOTUS justices?😢😢😢
As always Velshi delivers - Akhil Reed Amar is the best guest of the week anywhere on MSNBC for his analysis of the July 1st Supreme Court fiasco.
This supreme court it is an embarrassment to the country and deserves to be ignored.
Yeah this court official made Presidents kings. But in an odd twist of fate SCOTUS gave Biden the election.
A harmless fool deserves to be ignored. They deserve to be held accountable for their trashing of the Constitution.
@@ohreally8929 - Indeed - and We the People must immediately stand up and demand that King Biden summarily remove the corrupt justices who are attempting to Amend the Constitution without following the due process specified in the Constitution itself.
Andrew Jackson did say that if SCOTUS was going to make a ruling (that he disagreed with), they would have to enforce it themselves. As a result, over 60,000 people were forcibly displaced and over 13,000 died. I would hate to see a similar result if they were ignored.
Bummer, I was looking forward to seeing Obama in a cell.
Expand the court by 4 now
We don't have the votes by ourselves. Republican politicians won't help the democrats.
I seem to recall an English king that barged into parliament uninvited and the people executed him.
Just a thought, people...
No crime is ever an official act!
The fact ppl aren’t in the streets cause of this! Is the green light to do whatever they want
How do you expect the president to do his job without immunity? Seriously? Think before you speak.
@@cuzr702following the rule of law with integrity and lead by example perhaps?
@@Fdzzaigl Put these words together, Obama, drones, American citizens, no trial, overseas.
@@cuzr702 overseas policy is something completely different than becoming a despot and being able to abuse your power to get rid of political opponents. Not that I'm a fan of drone strikes.
Yes, I totally agree with you. Lack of uproar is what they expected and this will embolden them further, much like many other autocrats count on. Biden should be having critical war meetings with top leaders to devise plans not just whine and accept ruling as being valid per constitution. Challenge critical 😊
Subpoena the justices! They ruled unconstitutional law! They need to be held accountable! They need to account for their order. It is unconstitutional.
and every conservative justice lied under oath in their supreme court confirmation hearings when they said it wasn't their agenda to overturn roe vs wade, and that they'd only rule according to precedent and the constitution in such matters
How does the Supreme Court even have the authority to make such a decision? A body empowered only to apply and interpret the law to say that someone is "above the law"? This makes no sense.
Does not the English’s magna carta , say the same thing. No individual is above the law? And that’s seven hundred years old!