Was this an actual locomotive because the boiler looks incredibally small considering the engine has 8 cylinders. It does look very interesting though. Great job with the model. 😀😀😀
Excellent Kitbash job. One point, Garratt designs use a Short, Fat boiler to ensure steaming efficiency, and also to ensure sufficient steam at superheated levels to maintain four sets of cylinders ( simple expansion) For a Super Garratt, this would be even more critical ...Eight Cylinder units.. So whilst Bachmann Running Gear is OK, the entire Boiler-Cab- section needs to be scratch Built. Not a difficult task, given that the Water and Coal/Oil bunkers are scratch built! And build in Brass, for extra adhesion in the Model. From a Garratt country ( not Sth.A)
AUSTRALIA...Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania all used locally built " War Garratts" in 3'6" gauge( an engineering failure) but had English Built Garrats post WWII including New South Wales, with massive AD 60 ( 4-8-2--2-8-4).in Standard Gauge.
I lived near the British factory where the full-size Garratts were made: it closed down in '66 and the one remaining (1920s-built) assembly-shed on the once-huge site was converted into a council vehicle-maintenance depot: it still exists.
I've been wanting to build one of the proposed double K36 locomotives in HOn3 for years, now I'm feeling a little more inspired to do it. Really cool model. Quite an undertaking. I love the that you built a Mallett Garrett.
Turned out nice, i was tinkering around last summer with the Garrot style useing 2 040 lionel postwar motors one at eather end of a flat car, the darn thing run like a charm and pulled a good number of cars too...
American Locomotive (ALCO) supposedly had obtained a license from I guess Beyer Peacock to build Garrat locomotives but never did . Always wondered what it would have looked like and thanks to your great work in model making we get a "what if" kind of engine. Looks like the ultimate logging double mally!
Thanks for your comment id1972taxi. I really enjoyed building that locomotive. I wish I had done more testing on it before I sold it. I would have been a great pulling locomotive. And yes I do sell my Garratt locomotives. Thanks for asking.
If you figure a Colorado and Southern 2-6-0 could pull about 4 loaded cars up 4% grade of the Clear Creek Branch, your 18 car train is just about spot on. Congrats!
I have a bunch of Lionel 86 and newer starter set 4-4-2 steam locomotives. I have thought of building something simple in the style of a Garratt but nothing for a rivet counter to get excited about. Something fun to build and pull well. I can’t afford one of those big expensive articulated steamers from Lionel, MTH or another 3 rail company.
When the Baldwin Triplex,was built,it was theoretically the biggest Mallet type operational! However,it ran out of steam,because of lack of boiler capacity,and loading restrictions! In other words,it was too big for the railroads! As it was,Lima was showing how the next generation was to go,as the 6 axle firebox,(Allegheny,2-6-6-6,Super Power),only the C&O,and Virginian had them,and technically,those engines beat out the Big Boy,and the other 2-8-8-4's,(add SP's Cab Forwards)! Now add the Garrett in the mix,with a 150 foot grate,the you've got a real contender! The NP, lignite burners,were already in super grate status,as were the anthracite engines of the Reading! Well,so much for speculation,your Garrett is a wonder,and fills a void,that needs definitely to be fulfilled! Thank you! 🚂💯💯💫💥
The real problem wiht the triplex was with engineers not knowing how to handle them and thus not allowing enough draught into the firebox to keep the fire hot enough, the Draught system was also inadiquate compounding the issue, had they solved those issues they would have been successful and we would probably have at least 2 surviving examples.
Might want to check the most front & back trailing wheel axels, those single axels, either it's the camera frame rate zinking up with the wheel turn or at times, they ain't turning right. Especially the back one seems to have this effect at times. She does look both good and natural, so thumps up.
Nicely done. The only change would be to make the boiler and firebox a lot bigger (double the originals'), to make sure there's enough steam for fast running.
Not realy a need unless you already had double expansion, because then you can switch to it ang use your steam twice If you were already doing so, yes you would need
I did a little research and found that there was actually a Super Garratt on the drawing board. Sadly it was at the end of steam and they were never built. There are only a few drawings of the engine and that is what I based my Super Garratt off of. It is a free lance engine of what it might have been had it been built.
There were a couple of variants designed, but never manufactured. There didn't seem to be anything beyond eight-coupled Garratts ever made. 4-8-4+4-8-4 seemed to be the practical limit.
Inspirational!!! Makes me want to look through my scrap/spares box and on ebay to see how I could build one.....! I just saw a brass Fulgurex Garrant in HO scale selling for $1600.00.. Yours is worth so much more.....
Michael, sorry it took me so long to reply to your question. When I built the super garratt I made it with plenty of room for sound and throttle control. Not sure if the new owner put sound in it or not. I would have put one in each end of the locomotive. Thanks for your question.
1) I gotta hunch the boiler isn't big enough for 8 cylinders (see the triplex)2) As for any ideas the Garratt was the future a) the largest ever built was about half the size of the last generation of US articulateds b) The size of steam locomotives had expanded to its physical limits, they couldn't get any bigger without completely rebuilding the railroads, to include wider gauge (5'6"" or 6') boring out the tunnels and replacing the bridges. Nobody had that sort of money. BTW, I have seen articles which show about 5 feet is the optimal gauge for a railroad. FYI en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_track_gauges
to address the point you raised, let me disagree with you. 1. the boiler on any locomotive this big would definitely need to be big, like big boy big, but it could be accomplished with modern tech allowing more thermally efficient fire boxes, which would increase steam generation. as for point 2 you are actually mistaken there, while axel loading may be something to worry about, the garrett actually was no where near it's largest dimension cap, and that locomotive, the AD60 class, was built in Australia. A North American style garrett would have been much larger because of the demands of North American railroads compared to other regions. the style just never caught on over here, however if the manufacturers wanted to build larger engines, they would have had to adopt the garrett style, as mallet style articulated locomotives were approaching the size limitation. A super garrett like in the video may well have been developed at some point, as yes, a 4-8-8-4+4-8-8-4 or double big boy arrangement would fit on the same tracks a normal big boy could fit on, by virtue of the fact that the boiler is not swinging out over the sides of the tracks on this design (one of the selling points of the garrett in fact, as they were more friendly to restrictive loading gauges compared to the standard mallet configuration).
hmmmm gauge depends on how mountainous the terrain is cape gauge and meter gauge work well in mountains but russian, irish, and indian gauges work better in flatlands
Game Breakers ...I'm not sure, one of my 2-8-0+0-8-2 Garratt had a tractive effort of 60 ounces. I'm sure the super Garratt had quite a bit more than that. Thanks for your questions and comments.
I'd be able to. I'd just need $500,000,000, the largest warehouse you can find, an iron mine, some toothpicks, and 500,000 rolls of ductape and I'll have it 8% complete by the day I die. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
And using ductape instead of all the useless crap(for example, the firebox, because what's the difference?), will definitely chuck a lot of those precious pounds off!
BUT... If we are using ductape to replace the unnecessary things anyway... let's build the whole thing out of ductape! Man, why didn't I think of that! 😂
Paul Langford Keeping in mind that this is a more efficient mallet, based on an actual Garrett design, I agree. There does need to be more boiler for that design to be effective on mainline use. Had they built the machine, I doubt that it would've been able to run at speed for any major distance without having to stop to build up steam.
It is possible to increase the size of the firebox by using a marine one and decreasing the size of the rear water tank and then increasing the front one so that the firebox is longer
Morris Sentinel My thought was to have the center section have a center cab between two large oil fired boilers. The picture in my head is that of a giant Fairlie, with no wheels, hanging there.
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Your Super Garratt is a joy to behold... the Garratt was such an elegant solution to all kinds of steam train problems! I just love them.
The most steampunk real-world locomotive design ever.
I would have loved to have seen the factory when it was in full operation. Thanks for your comments.
Was this an actual locomotive because the boiler looks incredibally small considering the engine has 8 cylinders. It does look very interesting though. Great job with the model. 😀😀😀
@@Spud607 I didn't even think of that
Thanks for your comments. It was a fun project. I’m glad someone can appreciate them.
Excellent Kitbash job. One point, Garratt designs use a Short, Fat boiler to ensure steaming efficiency, and also to ensure sufficient steam at superheated levels to maintain four sets of cylinders ( simple expansion)
For a Super Garratt, this would be even more critical ...Eight Cylinder units..
So whilst Bachmann Running Gear is OK, the entire Boiler-Cab- section needs to be scratch Built. Not a difficult task, given that the Water and Coal/Oil bunkers are scratch built!
And build in Brass, for extra adhesion in the Model.
From a Garratt country ( not Sth.A)
which country?
AUSTRALIA...Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania all used locally built " War Garratts" in 3'6" gauge( an engineering failure) but had English Built Garrats post WWII including New South Wales, with massive AD 60 ( 4-8-2--2-8-4).in Standard Gauge.
This would be a sight to behold if it was real. I can’t even imagine how it would sound
I lived near the British factory where the full-size Garratts were made: it closed down in '66 and the one remaining (1920s-built) assembly-shed on the once-huge site was converted into a council vehicle-maintenance depot: it still exists.
This is genuinely terrifying. I love it!
A double 2-6-6-2 in a Garrett! That locomotive is it's own train! It looks just as monstrous as the Erie and Virginian triplexes.
That locomotive is badass. 👍
Thanks David. I appreciate your comments.
I've been wanting to build one of the proposed double K36 locomotives in HOn3 for years, now I'm feeling a little more inspired to do it. Really cool model. Quite an undertaking. I love the that you built a Mallett Garrett.
I’m not sure what the motors were in the Bachman chassis. They were the original motors. Thanks for your questions.
Thanks for your comments. Starting with a couple of Bachman big haulers and some styrene is how I got started building Garratts. Thanks
What a crazy-wonderful idea👍👏🏼👍👏🏼👍👏🏼
Turned out nice, i was tinkering around last summer with the Garrot style useing 2 040 lionel postwar motors one at eather end of a flat car, the darn thing run like a charm and pulled a good number of cars too...
Caseyville model Railroad
Thanks for your comment.
American Locomotive (ALCO) supposedly had obtained a license from I guess Beyer Peacock to build Garrat locomotives but never did . Always wondered what it would have looked like and thanks to your great work in model making we get a "what if" kind of engine. Looks like the ultimate logging double mally!
Hey Boyd W. your comment describes just how I got started building Garratts. Good luck.
Almost all of the Garratts I've made over the years have been made starting with a Bachman Chassis.
Thanks for your comment id1972taxi. I really enjoyed building that locomotive. I wish I had done more testing on it before I sold it. I would have been a great pulling locomotive. And yes I do sell my Garratt locomotives. Thanks for asking.
oh what scale do you do i might be willing to uy if the price is lower then $220
Okay Bill, we could quibble about a few minor technical points in Garratt design. But........ Your locomotive is SIMPLY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you figure a Colorado and Southern 2-6-0 could pull about 4 loaded cars up 4% grade of the Clear Creek Branch, your 18 car train is just about spot on. Congrats!
Thanks for your comments
thanks for your comment. Stay well
a 2-6-6-2 2-6-6-2 garratt? thats a very unique wheelbase
nice job Bill Bivings
I love it.Great job I have a Bachmann 2 6 6 2 T and I love it also Do you sell any of the ones you have
Runs so beautifully. Would they be five pole motors in that?
I have a bunch of Lionel 86 and newer starter set 4-4-2 steam locomotives. I have thought of building something simple in the style of a Garratt but nothing for a rivet counter to get excited about. Something fun to build and pull well. I can’t afford one of those big expensive articulated steamers from Lionel, MTH or another 3 rail company.
When the Baldwin Triplex,was built,it was theoretically the biggest Mallet type operational! However,it ran out of steam,because of lack of boiler capacity,and loading restrictions! In other words,it was too big for the railroads! As it was,Lima was showing how the next generation was to go,as the 6 axle firebox,(Allegheny,2-6-6-6,Super Power),only the C&O,and Virginian had them,and technically,those engines beat out the Big Boy,and the other 2-8-8-4's,(add SP's Cab Forwards)! Now add the Garrett in the mix,with a 150 foot grate,the you've got a real contender! The NP, lignite burners,were already in super grate status,as were the anthracite engines of the Reading! Well,so much for speculation,your Garrett is a wonder,and fills a void,that needs definitely to be fulfilled! Thank you! 🚂💯💯💫💥
The real problem wiht the triplex was with engineers not knowing how to handle them and thus not allowing enough draught into the firebox to keep the fire hot enough, the Draught system was also inadiquate compounding the issue, had they solved those issues they would have been successful and we would probably have at least 2 surviving examples.
Might want to check the most front & back trailing wheel axels, those single axels, either it's the camera frame rate zinking up with the wheel turn or at times, they ain't turning right.
Especially the back one seems to have this effect at times.
She does look both good and natural, so thumps up.
😳 WOW!
How do you make these? They’re pure amazing
CJonthelake
Thanks for your comment. I enjoy making them.
Thanks for your comment.
Nicely done. The only change would be to make the boiler and firebox a lot bigger (double the originals'), to make sure there's enough steam for fast running.
Not realy a need unless you already had double expansion, because then you can switch to it ang use your steam twice
If you were already doing so, yes you would need
i was thinking that too it would need a massive boiler
wait you have plans to build this?
Only the picture that was in my head.
I really wish one of these were real. :')
Now I'm just imagining a Garratt/UP Challenger hybrid. I think that could outsize the Big Boy no problem.
So is this Super Garratt a real locomotive or just a creation off your fantasy?
I did a little research and found that there was actually a Super Garratt on the drawing board. Sadly it was at the end of steam and they were never built. There are only a few drawings of the engine and that is what I based my Super Garratt off of. It is a free lance engine of what it might have been had it been built.
Yeah, i know. I have read something about it in the meantime.
However i really like your design. And i hope there will be more Super Garratt Videos.
There were a couple of variants designed, but never manufactured. There didn't seem to be anything beyond eight-coupled Garratts ever made. 4-8-4+4-8-4 seemed to be the practical limit.
Inspirational!!! Makes me want to look through my scrap/spares box and on ebay to see how I could build one.....! I just saw a brass Fulgurex Garrant in HO scale selling for $1600.00.. Yours is worth so much more.....
Build a quadruplex steam locomotive
Do your engine have any trains sounds
Michael, sorry it took me so long to reply to your question. When I built the super garratt I made it with plenty of room for sound and throttle control. Not sure if the new owner put sound in it or not. I would have put one in each end of the locomotive. Thanks for your question.
1) I gotta hunch the boiler isn't big enough for 8 cylinders (see the triplex)2) As for any ideas the Garratt was the future a) the largest ever built was about half the size of the last generation of US articulateds b) The size of steam locomotives had expanded to its physical limits, they couldn't get any bigger without completely rebuilding the railroads, to include wider gauge (5'6"" or 6') boring out the tunnels and replacing the bridges. Nobody had that sort of money. BTW, I have seen articles which show about 5 feet is the optimal gauge for a railroad. FYI en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_track_gauges
to address the point you raised, let me disagree with you. 1. the boiler on any locomotive this big would definitely need to be big, like big boy big, but it could be accomplished with modern tech allowing more thermally efficient fire boxes, which would increase steam generation. as for point 2 you are actually mistaken there, while axel loading may be something to worry about, the garrett actually was no where near it's largest dimension cap, and that locomotive, the AD60 class, was built in Australia. A North American style garrett would have been much larger because of the demands of North American railroads compared to other regions. the style just never caught on over here, however if the manufacturers wanted to build larger engines, they would have had to adopt the garrett style, as mallet style articulated locomotives were approaching the size limitation. A super garrett like in the video may well have been developed at some point, as yes, a 4-8-8-4+4-8-8-4 or double big boy arrangement would fit on the same tracks a normal big boy could fit on, by virtue of the fact that the boiler is not swinging out over the sides of the tracks on this design (one of the selling points of the garrett in fact, as they were more friendly to restrictive loading gauges compared to the standard mallet configuration).
hmmmm gauge depends on how mountainous the terrain is cape gauge and meter gauge work well in mountains but russian, irish, and indian gauges work better in flatlands
well its a compound so it should only be using as much steam as a 6 cylinder design
what is the haulage capability?
Game Breakers ...I'm not sure, one of my 2-8-0+0-8-2 Garratt had a tractive effort of 60 ounces. I'm sure the super Garratt had quite a bit more than that. Thanks for your questions and comments.
Absolutely superb build. It must have taken quite a while to do! You have more locomotives like this?
Maybe one day we will see a 4-10-10-2+2-10-10-4 be a reality?
Anonarchist I am willing to make a 2-10-10-2+2-10-10-2 super Garrett in the future if you want to help and know about that
I am talking about a real one not a model.
Anonarchist i know i am planning to make it 4ft 8 1/2 gauge steam powered technology
There is a group trying to rebuild the PRR T1. prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org/index.php
Anonarchist true, true. they probably know what they are doing. i could contact them.
Anyone up for building a full-size one?😉
I'd be able to. I'd just need $500,000,000, the largest warehouse you can find, an iron mine, some toothpicks, and 500,000 rolls of ductape and I'll have it 8% complete by the day I die. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tiernan Flynn Tiernan Flynn duck tape works on anything! 🤣
And using ductape instead of all the useless crap(for example, the firebox, because what's the difference?), will definitely chuck a lot of those precious pounds off!
BUT... If we are using ductape to replace the unnecessary things anyway... let's build the whole thing out of ductape! Man, why didn't I think of that! 😂
Oh and I subscribed to you. Your welcome! May the ductape be with you!
Showing the way steam development could have gone in a sane, non-diesel world.
Firebox is too small for that number of cylinders. Need at least 50 sq.ft per pair.
Paul Langford
Keeping in mind that this is a more efficient mallet, based on an actual Garrett design, I agree. There does need to be more boiler for that design to be effective on mainline use. Had they built the machine, I doubt that it would've been able to run at speed for any major distance without having to stop to build up steam.
Well, also keep in mind that it's just a model. It doesn't have to be EXACT. It's just for fun.
It is possible to increase the size of the firebox by using a marine one and decreasing the size of the rear water tank and then increasing the front one so that the firebox is longer
Or just scrap the whole thing and build it out of ductape.
Morris Sentinel
My thought was to have the center section have a center cab between two large oil fired boilers. The picture in my head is that of a giant Fairlie, with no wheels, hanging there.