When I actively played osu I went through a bunch of switches: Red -> Black -> Blue -> Green. Greens are very heavy but it let me build up lots of stamina and had no impact on my speed. Also they feel extremely satisfying. It's all preference.
hyperx aqua switches are really really nice, received my hyperx alloy origins core yesterday and it feels linear but with a very slight tactile bump. feels like a mix of 80% reds and 20% blues and ryuk uses these switches too. very much recommend this, just my take on switches
For me, so I don't have to worry about the switch interfering I only have two switches for osu and the rest of the switches that are good for gaming and are quiet. And for the part with the miss clicking i use light switch so even if i dont click hard enough it will still register but it still takes time to get use to.
When I got the notification that you uploaded, the first thing that popped up in my head was Binfy saying "Fuck you Kachulu". I don't know why, but I love you!
Just get reds, even if your worried about your accuracy, youll get used to them and have a greater advantage in the long run if you even do want to slow down and use blacks.
@@heyyoii4768 I used blacks for almost 2 years and just switched to reds. In my first week, my speed and stamina have both improved but my tapping consistency and accuracy have dropped. I think it will take some getting used to but I already see that the potential is higher. On my old switches I would have to warm up for an hour just to be able to tap the maps I wanted scores on or already had scores on
Just switched to linear switches after using tactile for a year. It felt weird and heavy at first but I'm enjoying them much more than tactile already.
You know, I have no reason to watch this. I quit osu! because I don't enjoy playing the game anymore, I only occasionally come on to maybe update one of my maybe finished this year or next year shitty maps I make for eyecandy. Yet I still watch this video, because I like your content, and I think that's pretty awesome.
Although let me list things that are beyond preferences. Blues - You absolutely HAVE to be alone, those fucking things are annoying. Unless if you hate people, it doesn't matter if you're comfortable with them. It's basically playing an electric guitar in a small apartment. Browns - Amazing all around, the tactility might feel annoying. Reds - Very light and responsive, Might also be a little inconveniencing because I'm used to linear switches and i sometimes click on accident because of how light they are.
I got the silver switches from kailh on my keyboard, and honestly, i felt the exact same about the misclicks. I switched from membrane but after like 1 month, i wasnt misclicking anymore so i wouldnt not recommend the switch cuz of that.
I just wanna say that osu is definently not only preference. Lighter switches or even a touchpad like the ProX will objectively allow for better stamina, the same way alternating would objectively allow for higher bpm jumps. However, the setups effect on the personal learning curve might in practice be a much bigger factor on performance.
I disagree! I actually lose more stamina with lighter switches & touchpads. This being because lighter switches requires two stamina-inducing movements, pushing down, then returning. Heavier switches allow me to ease the second movement of returning, and also reduces my chances of finger-locking, which also zaps stamina when playing osu! I believe there are too many factors in osu! that zap stamina; such as misreading, loss of rhythm, & finger-locking to really judge switches as "objective".
@@Kachulu I see your point but I still hold my opinion. The return movement of the finger doesn't involve any resistance and thus helping that movement wouldn't do much. Imagine pulling on a resistance band from the ceiling. A heavier resistance band wouldn't allow one to do more reps because it helps spring back the arm on the return movement. This could be a shitty analogy though, I don't have a PhD in biomechanics or anything. While misreading, loss of rhythm and finger-locking all influence stamina, they are all mental. If a player performs worse on an "objectively better" setup, I would argue it's because they haven't learned to play with it. You could liken it to how in a skill-based RPG there might be stronger characters that are harder to play. I would argue that they are objectively better than easier to play weaker characters.
@@SlurpKing100 This would all be sick, but I would argue osu! is over 70% a mental game.. If people only buy things based on the best possible 100% guaranteed better outcome, it wouldn't be for osu!, it'd be for a different game. Your RPG analogy is cool, but RPG's don't have mental complications like osu! My main reasoning is that osu! is mostly mental, and everyone's mental is different, so different people work better with different types of switches. That's why I believe it really is all preference.
The mainly mistake with people (including myself) when they are about to buy a mechanical keyboard being a newbe at the topic they normally go all in with a blue switches because of the sound and the clicky sensation.. And yeah it is cool and all, but at the moment to play something it becomes to be annoying, you gonna miss so many things at a high bpm or having low tapping accuracy in rhythm games.. It could be better at average shooter games because it prevets you to missclick things.. But you still having better things like brown or mostly any tacticle switch since it haves a little pressing resistance without slowing you down which is basically better than a blue switch, Even if we talk about prevent missclick, you gonna have missclicks at gameplay with blue switches anyway if you are dummy enough (like me for example) so no, it doesn't prevent you to missclick as other switches could or not. So is not even worth, not at all, The main advantage is only at typing because of the sound and sensation feedback but only that, if you are not that poor just build yourself a second keyboard just to type or just to play (as i did, there some not expensive options. For example i bought an custom tenkeyless keyboard with cherry mx red switches and i don't even work but i can still afford it, is just about to search). But if you still having no money or you are a newbe, just go for brown or red switches, they are literally good at everything or at least at mostly main activities, instead, blue switches are just good at typing (just think that blue switches are literally the less expensive switches of all of them). Also consider that is just my personal opinion after testing some switches for a long time, and also i have to say i don't even complain about the video, it was actually good
pretty sure you bottom out on tactile switches as well (at least with browns) i currently have outemu browns and i consistently bottom out i can't say that for linears since i tend to misclick too often (outemu reds)
i like this, but you may throw someone off with clear, I understand all these switches are for Cherry mx but someone might grab a gateron clear and want to die
I wouldn't recommend the super light 35g Gateron Milky Clears. I ended up getting some sort of RSI, and I think the clears were definitely a factor. I don't think its carpel tunnel, as there's no numbness, and it feels like some sort of pulled tendon, but its in both middle and index fingers. My theory is that because the 35g switches are so light, instead of the switch pushing back on your finger when streaming, I had to pull my fingers back up manually, causing a lot of strain on a certain tendon over time. I've since switched to Gateron CJ switches (they're like 65g I think) and I'm doing much better. Although a lot of it is probably due to the fact that I switched to Ring Index, started using a wrist wrest, and I'm actually paying attention to my tapping technique now lol. Its not worth the potential stamina benefit, especially if your goal is to improve. The clear switches are a crutch, and end up hurting your performance and potentially your hands in the long run.
And something like that is usually mentally taxing too. It's like a background process constantly running in your head, telling you "don't press that switch, don't press that switch".
@@auliasa6602 Yep, CJ stands for China Joy. Kind of a weird name, but they're good. 50g actuation, 60g bottom out linears. They're super smooth and I like the way they sound. Although now that rapid trigger keypads are so cheap you might want to consider one of those instead.
me: Why dont you like tactile switches?? he: "Because they feels like theres smtg wrong with them" me: Which tactile switches have you tried?? he: Cherry MX brown me: -.-
TL:DR: get hot swappable keyboard for your first mechanical keyboard and membrane keyboards should not be a deal breaker. I recently got my first mechanical keyboard and I made the mistake of not getting a hot swap so I'm stuck with blue switches however I still love them, the feedback from them is amazing, not that I have trouble registering a keypress, more like it's nice to feel it, I only got a mechanical keyboard because I'm getting a pc and I was playing on my laptop until my pc arrives so I was limited to the laptops keyboard and I was fine with it, I did have a cheap membrane keyboard for my Xbox and it was fine for normal FPS games but it is definitely not for osu, way too mushy, but if you can get a decent membrane keyboard then that is fine for osu. This is only from my experience, I've only ever touched blue switches and I've only ever used 3 different keywords for osu (my laptop, cheap membrane and blue switch). Experiment for yourself, I know I will
tactile = they fight back
and sometimes they win
And sometimes you kill them
always a battle playing with them
except for the brown
“If you don’t like it then it’s bad”
0:25 "prefrernance"
"If you like it, it's good. If you don't like it, then it's bad"
Thanks, I'll remember that for the rest of my life
When I actively played osu I went through a bunch of switches: Red -> Black -> Blue -> Green. Greens are very heavy but it let me build up lots of stamina and had no impact on my speed. Also they feel extremely satisfying. It's all preference.
What did we learn from this video? Don’t get blues if you live with your parents.
preference, just like with typing
well if u use very heavy switches you're limiting yourself but yeah I agree
@@cheeot what are you saying? I like my switches to have 454 g actuation force it barely limits me, I can still do half a bpm streams
@@DrakeShaw04 lmao
@@DrakeShaw04 weak, i can do .75bpm with 1000g
@@tehchonka5031 I use 5 pound actuation force switches. My index and middle fingers are the strongest in the northern hemisphere
i like the miniswitch made by nintendo
"Clicker ate just pure annoying*
Bruh its satisfying
opinion matter tho 🗿
Happy new year dawg! You'll complete the list easily
I thought my reds were super loud until I heard a clicky keyboard
hyperx aqua switches are really really nice, received my hyperx alloy origins core yesterday and it feels linear but with a very slight tactile bump. feels like a mix of 80% reds and 20% blues and ryuk uses these switches too. very much recommend this, just my take on switches
5:41 Cherry MX Browns
tnx for the video mate, i still dont know what i want but it helped with the confusion XD
"why you still here?"
why?
i don't even know
i'm going to play 4k rhythm games and i don't know the best switch
“if you don’t like it then it’s bad” twitter in a nutshell
For me, so I don't have to worry about the switch interfering I only have two switches for osu and the rest of the switches that are good for gaming and are quiet. And for the part with the miss clicking i use light switch so even if i dont click hard enough it will still register but it still takes time to get use to.
Damn bro i really appreciate the grind
Short and informative. Nice
ATTENTION! Silver swiches are actually heavier than reds and are very good for typing!
When I got the notification that you uploaded, the first thing that popped up in my head was Binfy saying "Fuck you Kachulu". I don't know why, but I love you!
happy new years
return of the king
Just get reds, even if your worried about your accuracy, youll get used to them and have a greater advantage in the long run if you even do want to slow down and use blacks.
Wont mx reds ruin stamina cuz their light
@@heyyoii4768 I used blacks for almost 2 years and just switched to reds. In my first week, my speed and stamina have both improved but my tapping consistency and accuracy have dropped. I think it will take some getting used to but I already see that the potential is higher. On my old switches I would have to warm up for an hour just to be able to tap the maps I wanted scores on or already had scores on
6:32 is my favorite part
Just saw this after getting some tactile switches xD
I have clicky ones now and they are getting a bit annoying lmao
Lube them
3:10 I personally don't have a hard time feeling depressed
im just gonna get a keypad so i dont have a reason to think of how other games will feel.
Just switched to linear switches after using tactile for a year. It felt weird and heavy at first but I'm enjoying them much more than tactile already.
You know, I have no reason to watch this. I quit osu! because I don't enjoy playing the game anymore, I only occasionally come on to maybe update one of my maybe finished this year or next year shitty maps I make for eyecandy. Yet I still watch this video, because I like your content, and I think that's pretty awesome.
i feel u bro
@@Kachulu Did you notice the BruhmasterL reference though lmaoooo I did that to see if anyone would notice.
happy new year kachulu
5:20 same. i learned the hard way haha.
my parents don't hear my outemu blue switches when gaming at night :D
i have clicky swithces and they echo throughout my entire house
Idk why, but i love clicky switches only when playing osu, for any other activities like typing and playing other games i prefer linear lol
Pretty sure i'm getting a clear one, I don't like a lot of noise but I want the tactile feel, and I have really heavy hands
No best switch he says...
*Laughs in Cherry Reds*
let me go back to bed kachulu
Speed silver for osu
Black for typing, for now. I ordered some kailh :)
finally a video
Although let me list things that are beyond preferences.
Blues - You absolutely HAVE to be alone, those fucking things are annoying. Unless if you hate people, it doesn't matter if you're comfortable with them. It's basically playing an electric guitar in a small apartment.
Browns - Amazing all around, the tactility might feel annoying.
Reds - Very light and responsive, Might also be a little inconveniencing because I'm used to linear switches and i sometimes click on accident because of how light they are.
He finally remembered his password
Pog
69.6k subs
ive been playing with outemu blues, PLEALSE DO NOT ITS SO BAD FOR OSU BUT GOOD FOR OTHEWR THINGFs please do not get tactile it messes your rytmm
i can click just fine with tactiles
i've actually been playing with kailh blues before getting outemu browns
300k rn
Fuck i already ordered cherry mx brown keyboard
I meant to type clickies not clickers lmfao
"brown swirches are slitly different cuz they have a TACTILE bumb" lol he things browns are tactile
tip: buy 2 switches of the type that u want and just replace z and x's switches. its not frequent to use z and x.
Glorious Holy Pandas 😂
I prefer everything BUT reds (or anything lighter than it), regardless of brand.
I got the silver switches from kailh on my keyboard, and honestly, i felt the exact same about the misclicks. I switched from membrane but after like 1 month, i wasnt misclicking anymore so i wouldnt not recommend the switch cuz of that.
i am only cheap enough to get blue switches...
its all preference
ps: Happy New Years
black switches all the way
they make me go fast
I just wanna say that osu is definently not only preference. Lighter switches or even a touchpad like the ProX will objectively allow for better stamina, the same way alternating would objectively allow for higher bpm jumps. However, the setups effect on the personal learning curve might in practice be a much bigger factor on performance.
You big dumb dont type please.
I disagree! I actually lose more stamina with lighter switches & touchpads. This being because lighter switches requires two stamina-inducing movements, pushing down, then returning. Heavier switches allow me to ease the second movement of returning, and also reduces my chances of finger-locking, which also zaps stamina when playing osu!
I believe there are too many factors in osu! that zap stamina; such as misreading, loss of rhythm, & finger-locking to really judge switches as "objective".
@@Kachulu I see your point but I still hold my opinion. The return movement of the finger doesn't involve any resistance and thus helping that movement wouldn't do much. Imagine pulling on a resistance band from the ceiling. A heavier resistance band wouldn't allow one to do more reps because it helps spring back the arm on the return movement. This could be a shitty analogy though, I don't have a PhD in biomechanics or anything.
While misreading, loss of rhythm and finger-locking all influence stamina, they are all mental. If a player performs worse on an "objectively better" setup, I would argue it's because they haven't learned to play with it. You could liken it to how in a skill-based RPG there might be stronger characters that are harder to play. I would argue that they are objectively better than easier to play weaker characters.
@@SlurpKing100 This would all be sick, but I would argue osu! is over 70% a mental game.. If people only buy things based on the best possible 100% guaranteed better outcome, it wouldn't be for osu!, it'd be for a different game. Your RPG analogy is cool, but RPG's don't have mental complications like osu!
My main reasoning is that osu! is mostly mental, and everyone's mental is different, so different people work better with different types of switches. That's why I believe it really is all preference.
dang im here in 1/1/22
*laughs in laptop*
The mainly mistake with people (including myself) when they are about to buy a mechanical keyboard being a newbe at the topic they normally go all in with a blue switches because of the sound and the clicky sensation.. And yeah it is cool and all, but at the moment to play something it becomes to be annoying, you gonna miss so many things at a high bpm or having low tapping accuracy in rhythm games.. It could be better at average shooter games because it prevets you to missclick things.. But you still having better things like brown or mostly any tacticle switch since it haves a little pressing resistance without slowing you down which is basically better than a blue switch, Even if we talk about prevent missclick, you gonna have missclicks at gameplay with blue switches anyway if you are dummy enough (like me for example) so no, it doesn't prevent you to missclick as other switches could or not. So is not even worth, not at all, The main advantage is only at typing because of the sound and sensation feedback but only that, if you are not that poor just build yourself a second keyboard just to type or just to play (as i did, there some not expensive options. For example i bought an custom tenkeyless keyboard with cherry mx red switches and i don't even work but i can still afford it, is just about to search). But if you still having no money or you are a newbe, just go for brown or red switches, they are literally good at everything or at least at mostly main activities, instead, blue switches are just good at typing (just think that blue switches are literally the less expensive switches of all of them).
Also consider that is just my personal opinion after testing some switches for a long time, and also i have to say i don't even complain about the video, it was actually good
Im watching this but im a membrane player jk its actually linear or tactile im using both
for osu - speed is key.. haha get it?
do people prefer tactile because they don't bottom out or what
pretty sure you bottom out on tactile switches as well (at least with browns)
i currently have outemu browns and i consistently bottom out
i can't say that for linears since i tend to misclick too often (outemu reds)
@@joshuah345 I've never used tactile actually. I've only used some blue clones and optical black switch out of desperation
i like this, but you may throw someone off with clear, I understand all these switches are for Cherry mx but someone might grab a gateron clear and want to die
i used to use outemu blues and now i got tecware phantom and they use (outemu? gateron?) reds i love reds
The answer is membrane
Tactile is best for me, i can't play speed maps on linear switches
I can’t find the keypad you use and I really want one, any recommendations?
I like blue switches :)
wut
I wouldn't recommend the super light 35g Gateron Milky Clears. I ended up getting some sort of RSI, and I think the clears were definitely a factor.
I don't think its carpel tunnel, as there's no numbness, and it feels like some sort of pulled tendon, but its in both middle and index fingers. My theory is that because the 35g switches are so light, instead of the switch pushing back on your finger when streaming, I had to pull my fingers back up manually, causing a lot of strain on a certain tendon over time.
I've since switched to Gateron CJ switches (they're like 65g I think) and I'm doing much better. Although a lot of it is probably due to the fact that I switched to Ring Index, started using a wrist wrest, and I'm actually paying attention to my tapping technique now lol.
Its not worth the potential stamina benefit, especially if your goal is to improve. The clear switches are a crutch, and end up hurting your performance and potentially your hands in the long run.
And something like that is usually mentally taxing too. It's like a background process constantly running in your head, telling you "don't press that switch, don't press that switch".
@@Lishtenbird I think I got past that by just slamming those suckers down and lifting all the way up lol
What's gateron cj? Is that also linear?
@@auliasa6602 Yep, CJ stands for China Joy. Kind of a weird name, but they're good. 50g actuation, 60g bottom out linears. They're super smooth and I like the way they sound. Although now that rapid trigger keypads are so cheap you might want to consider one of those instead.
4:01 is that the sasageyo op?
they really called the mx browns tactile...
pepelaugh
69k subs, nice
Now lubed or nahh?
kachulu replacing bill nye xD
is there any way to replace two keys on my keyboard with cherrymx reds or something
it has to be a hot swappable PCB
desoldering
is there a pre built keyboard that is quiet while playing osu and typing
Mx browns aren't tactile
-Glarses
this guy plays with blacks he’s a menace
How do I rip the switches out of my osu keyboard and put new ones in
2:02 Nintendo switch
Are linear purple switches good for osu mania?
I'm using the Gateron Clear for osu.........
It's okay but for streaming, i prefer blues
i mean nintendo switch really is a great mechanical switch
me: Why dont you like tactile switches??
he: "Because they feels like theres smtg wrong with them"
me: Which tactile switches have you tried??
he: Cherry MX brown
me: -.-
I fuckign hated browns until i tried halo trues
@@Lelanyan cherry browns.. more like sandy reds
reds with nipples
reds with yo mama hair in it
Does somebody have a website, where I can buy some switches?
Im see you use pro v2 mini is it worth buy?
since when do you play EZ?
those who uses tactile switchs are 6 digits for sure
TL:DR: get hot swappable keyboard for your first mechanical keyboard and membrane keyboards should not be a deal breaker.
I recently got my first mechanical keyboard and I made the mistake of not getting a hot swap so I'm stuck with blue switches however I still love them, the feedback from them is amazing, not that I have trouble registering a keypress, more like it's nice to feel it, I only got a mechanical keyboard because I'm getting a pc and I was playing on my laptop until my pc arrives so I was limited to the laptops keyboard and I was fine with it, I did have a cheap membrane keyboard for my Xbox and it was fine for normal FPS games but it is definitely not for osu, way too mushy, but if you can get a decent membrane keyboard then that is fine for osu.
This is only from my experience, I've only ever touched blue switches and I've only ever used 3 different keywords for osu (my laptop, cheap membrane and blue switch). Experiment for yourself, I know I will
Membrane > Blue change my mind.
Squashy
*get red*
there is no best keyswitch
there is preference
is it just me or are cherry switchs are just not that good
Happy New Year brotha!
i play on membrane btw LMAOOOO
WOAH
just vibrate
1v1 me in minecraft hypixel duels
Can I snipe Kama plz
Is that a yes?
Touch pad gang
The best switches are named ‘Practice’