Lebron Fan Reacts To NBA Legends Picking Their GOAT Michael Jordan or Lebron James
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Without saying anything bad about LeBron, here’s what you younger guys don’t understand about Jordan and what I think a lot of people are trying to convey when they dismiss LeBron.
When Jordan was in his prime games were basically over before they started, especially any big game. Everybody knew that Mike was going to win. Fans on both sides, players, everybody. After the Jordan rules failed the only other strategy that anyone could think of for him was literally “don’t piss him off”.
He was an absolute killer. Nobody before or since has been on his level as a competitor. You don’t fully understand that part unless you experienced it.
Perfectly said
Everything’s by was great until that last statement. There was TONS of killers like mj before mj. Specifically bill Russell and jerry west.
@@TheIcemanthomas Bill Russell played in an era with 10or less teams and Jordan would have embarrassed Jerry West.
Who would you want in finals? Jordan who has the highest finals ppg, 6-0 record with 6 finals MVP's, or James who's lost 6 finals... doesn't want the ball when time is ticking down and throws bricks when he does have the ball and needs to win the game?
@@TheIcemanthomas Jerry West was NOT no killer & like the other comment written on here, Bill Russell played in a league of 10 teams which made it easy as hell to win 11 rings
Son if you haven’t seen MJ play, you couldn’t understand his greatness
Let’s make it clear. I’m not a MJ fan. I’m a basketball fan. And it’s very disrespectful to the game when you decide on a goat simply because you like one player better than the other. Mike was an absolute jerk and I literally couldn’t stand him. However for the sake of the game I have to be honest and admit that he is the goat.
@@anthonysimmons9671 funny you say that, if you anyone that has reached the pinnacle at any job or sport, or academia, etc, everyone says those people are Aholes, you can't get to that level by being a nice guy, ya have to be cutthroat, that is Lebron's problem, he wants everyone to like him, can't do that man. Just do what you have to do to be the best. Lebron could have been the best of the best, but he doesn't have that mentality and he is too old to get that mentality.
I don't understand how LBJ passing Kareem could make him the GOAT. Very few ppl have even bothered trying to argue that kareem was the goat since the mid 90s, he was still the points leader then and he was the points leader 15 years ago and MJ was still the goat. Lebron passing Kareem doesn't really change that.
By the way, Lebron got swept the year he surpassed Kareem, MJ was consider the goat since he had like 18000 points.
Because being the goat is not about point leader. Lol!!!! This is basic common sense. MJ is a god of basketball.
passing kareem score is like the same feat with 10 scoring title or maybe 10 scoring title is better
GOAT in longevity, not in PPG. Definitely not PPG in Finals, which is where GOAT contenders should really be judged.
@@silentlyanonymous306 Passing Kareem’s scoring title during a 20 year career speaks to longevity not great scoring ability. And for the record, LeBron only played one 81 game season his entire career, engages in player management, and takes nights off defensively in a softer more offensive friendly league. So longevity is expected and more obtainable under those conditions.
No, Jordan fans say it all the time, like myself. The issue is you have a self proclaimed goat who just can't ever overtake MJ. LeBron fans try to come up with any little thing to make it seem like LeBron is better, but it comes across as desperation. The fact is Jordan did more in less time, and didn't have to go build super teams to do it....period. By almost every per game stat, Jordan exceeds LeBron, then in titles and trophies, including defensively.
LEBRON WILL NEVER BE BETTER THAN JORDAN
No Lebron did NOT play the game the right way. LeFlopp did not.
Explain.
@@codebreaker00xWatch the video with the numbers comparison. Jordan @ 18 would step on his head🥰
Laughable that somebody would even think something so ridiculous
@@ciarrajohnson3849 still no explanation of your opinion.
LeBron choked a lot lol!
So, Cavs fan here - LeBron James helped bring us our only championship and I will forever be grateful for his contributions toward that amazing feat. He is an incredibly talented player that deserves to be talked about as one of the greatest to ever play the game. HOWEVER, there is no comparison whatsoever here. Michael Jordan, hands down, is the greatest to ever play the game. Think about it this way: Michael Jordan, if he had been born later and played in this era of basketball, would dominate the NBA still. He won not only multiple scoring titles and MVP awards, but also won the defensive player of the year award. He NEVER lost in the finals. There was no give-up in him. LeBron has shown several times throughout his career that, if the going gets tough, either give up or load up with other really great basketball talent. Even when he did that and played with Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh in Miami and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love in Cleveland, he still lost more championships than he won. Yes, LeBron may have a statistical advantage over MJ, but he's played 5 seasons more than MJ and came right out of high school whereas MJ went to college at North Carolina, where he won a championship. LBJ may have the stats advantage, but MJ had that will to win that the LeBrons and Durants lack. When the going got tough, Jordan got tougher. When the going got tough for LeBron and Durant, they joined super teams. Jordan also went undefeated in NBA Finals series in a much more physical NBA era where LeBron has a losing record in the Finals in a much softer era. Sorry, bud. Michael Jordan is far superior to LeBron James and it's not even close. I also disagree with your take on LeBron James being better than Kobe. Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to MJ, although I still give MJ quite the edge over Kobe. However, Kobe easily is better than LeBron because he, too, had that killer instinct that LeBron has lacked since the first day he set foot on an NBA court. Give me MJ or Kobe over LeBron or Durant any day of the week.
LeBron is without a doubt one of the greatest of all time. I have watched him from the start of his career until now. I have also watched Mike through the 90s and it is tough to make a comparison. They play different positions and with completely different rule sets and play styles.
The reason I could never take it from Mike is because when this man stepped on the court, his mind set, skill set and pure determination will never be matched.
I defy you to find so much as a single moment in any game where Jordan QUIT trying. You can find numerous examples of LaBron doing that very thing . And that is enough to DQ your guy from any claim to the GOAT spot.
Yep. You can't be the GOAT while surrendering.
He played hard until the end of the game, it didn't even matter if there was a good possibility of him losing. That didn't happen very often though, he was always in it
Yeah, best defensive player in the league, which is why he won defensive player of the year and was on the all defensive first team 10 times. He was widely considered the most dominant offensive and defensive player for many seasons. You can scoff all you want, but facts are the facts.
Ain't gonna lie, if you really wanna be a GOAT, the least you can do is NOT give up and make excuses in the FINALS
NBA Finals from 3:
LeBron - 35.2% (32.9% over his first 6 NBA Finals)
Jordan - 36.8% over his 6 Finals
If Jordan can't shoot 3s, LeBum can't shoot 3s 🤷
Bronsexuals can't be reasoned with. And this guy's the worst one.
"Jordan's not passing" wtf? Jordan literally passed to Paxson and Kerr in the clutch to win. Arenas is out there saying stupid shit for clicks.
Lebron simply can't shoot
@@nathanmckenzie904Exactly. He has a 1.6% better career 3 pt percent than MJ, while taking just about 3x the amount of 3s.
That is in no way good.
Not how many points. It's how many did he lose
And part of the reason Jordan's 3 percentage is average was because early in his career, it was poor. He worked on it and became better and even had a +40% year.
Jordan couldn't shoot 3s? That implies you could back off and leave him open, which you absolutely could NOT do...ask the 1992 Blazers about that.
Did you know Jordan made more 3-pointers than the entire Blazers team in the 1992 Finals while shooting 43% from there? Tell me anyone in NBA history that did that.
Did you know Jordan led the Bulls in made 3-pointers in the playoffs during his first 3-peat run, while shooting almost 39% from 3.
Does that sound like someone who can't shoot 3s son?
LBJ won championships by stacking teams with future hall of famers who were the best players on other teams. MJ won with a couple of hall of famers and role players. Kobe's wins post Shaq are more impressive than any of LBJ's.
Those hall of famers mostly are because of Jordan too
@seymourbutts5277 that's a great point!
As a basketball fan who watched both men play, LeBron was the greatest player in the NBA for part of his career. He shared that title with Kobe and Tim Duncan earlier in his career, and shared it later with KD, Steph Curry, and Giannis. Michael Jordan was the greatest player in the NBA for most of his career and those in his era acknowledged without doubt who the best player was. Michael Jordan won more championships in a shorter time span, in a much more physical era that allowed hand checking and fouling that would be considered flagrant today. LeBron has taken longer to win less championships, in a less physical offensive friendly league. He also did so with the luxury of going to super teams and playing with numerous all-stars throughout his career. If you do the research, you will find that LeBron has had more top 75 players and all stars throughout his championship runs per team than Michael Jordan. Yet he only won 40% of the time. Jordan won 100% of his championship appearances and his individual numbers actually went up during the Finals. During the video you said LeBron is a better 3 point shooter and would beat Jordan in a one-on-one game, but I disagree. Jordan attempted 1.7 3 point shot’s per game throughout his career. And in doing so he averaged just over 32%. LeBron on the other hand takes 4.2 attempts per game and is only 2% better than Jordan in that category. Jordan has a quicker first step, a 48 inch vertical, insane layup package, has dunked on more 7 footers than anybody in NBA history, and his mid range game is unstoppable. The man could post up anyone anywhere. I’m trying to present a factual argument that does not discredit either player but highlight the differences between the two careers and their effectiveness as players.
Spoken like a person that knows what hes actually talking about unlike this young buck!! 👍👍👍
The only question I have for you is ……… when is your next novel?
Look at his stats?
MJ has him beat in most categories. Cumulative stats mean little in the GOAT conversation.
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Bro jordan made the playoffs every year aside from his wizard years, lebron has missed them multiple times through his career and 1st 2 years.
Does a GOAT need to flop? Does a GOAT play only half court to preserve his energy to play only offense? Does a GOAT walk out of a losing game while there is still game to be played?
one season
1988 Season:
-Scoring Title
-DPOY
-NBA MVP
-NBA All-Star MVP
-Slam Dunk Champ
-Steals Leader
-200 Steals/131 Blocks (Did it back to back years) (Only player to ever do it)
-4 50 point games
-18 40 point games
-Averaged 35 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, 1.6 blocks
-Played all 82 games!
Lebron is definitely 1 of the greatest, but the reason he has too many haters is because 1, he said too much dumb stuff now and then like self-proclaiming GOAT etc. Most of people doesn't like arrogant players. 2, He's loyalty in a team broke trice, imagine narrow minded hardcore fans of Cavs and Miami (Not all )after he left, they will just never move on regardless of those championships, 3, He's either teaming up or recruiting other superstars, Millions of basketball fans outside USA which doesn't live anywhere near of the team's cities don't like superteams so they are pissed because of that and just start hating. 4, He's a choker, He fake injury, he doesn't have killer instinct, he's not competitive, he quits on his teams/teammates, and winning or losing seems not important to him nowadays, he's more concerned on his individual stats and just want to break records, that's attitude killing the NBA because he's a superstar and younger players will likely mimic it. and 5, He flopped too much for a Bigger, Stronger, Faster superstar, fans don't like b1tches.
Actually Jordan was good at assists, he was 4th overall for all shooting gaurds. He also played point guard for 24 games and he averaged: 30.4 points, 10.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, and 2.4 steals. Compare that to Magic Johnson's career averages: 19.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 11.2 assists and 1.9 steals, Meaning Jordan got 2 more rebounds a game, a half a steal more per game, and only a half an assist less with 11 more points per game. All this at a position he was not as familiar with.
Lol Gilbert saying he didnt mean to pass to Steve Kerr yet theres footage of Michael telling Kerr to be loooking for the double and Kerr saying I'll be ready. 😂😂
Longevity makes Lebron great.
Lebron is great. Much respect.
Lebron's one of the greats!
The points Kareem Abdul Jabbar amassed was incredible but it didn't make him the G.O.A.T. He's considered one of the very best. His name will always be up there and remembered.
Lebron accumulating all the points, rebounds, assists, etc., is impressive.
Lebron playing at a very high level for a very long time is impressive. But, did he play for a long time because he wanted to accomplish a bunch of stuff or did he play for a long time because he wanted to surpass Michael Jordan?
In regards to 1 v 1, you mentioned Lebron's going to the post all the time. But, who really has the best post game?
As big and strong Lebron is, he didn't take advantage of this.
A simple contest of free throw shooting and I will take MJ all day, every day.
People think Lebron's a better 3-point shooter. Lebron just shoots more of it compared to MJ. Lebron's 3-point shooting percentage is not good. MJ's 3-point shooting percentage is not bad, it's not good, it's just average during the time he's playing.
Lebron's shooting percentage is only very good if he's VERY close to the basket. I'd take MJ's mid range game over Lebron all day/every day! Jordan averaged very high in points per game and he didn't even take the 3-point shot seriously. Michael Jordan dominated the game/opponents/league by just scoring 2 points at a time and free throws for the most part.
JJ Redick choosing Lebron over MJ... It's a generational thing. JJ never experienced playing vs MJ. I'd take the opinion of the players and coaches who actually played vs both Lebron and MJ and/or coached vs Lebron/MJ.
Ray Allen chose MJ over Lebron. Ray Allen played vs MJ and Lebron and Ray Allen was a teammates of Lebron.
Bill Laimbeer will never side with Michael Jordan. Bill probably hates it every time he's asked about who the G.O.A.T. is. Bill played vs MJ and defeated MJ twice during the playoffs and the Pistons went on to become NBA champs.
In your opinion, Lebron is (much) better than Kobe. But, is that the end of it because you don't even want to start that conversation?
I'd love to see you make a video of yourself discussing/debating who's greater/better between Kobe and Lebron with a Kobe supporter/fan.
Gilbert Arenas' explanation of Lebron not being Kobe/MJ is fine. We all know Lebron's not like Kobe/MJ. However, there are times when Lebron needs to take the shot vs passing it off to a teammate because it makes sense or it's the right play or it looks like the right play. It's another thing that separates the greats from the greats.
Lebron has taken shots that are potentially game winners. At times, he's successful. At times, he's failed and was bailed out by other players (Ray Allen comes to mind. Kyrie Irving comes to mind.). And the latest example of Lebron attempting to own or will his team or win the game for his team was vs the Nuggets. He had 2 chances to tie or win the game but failed. ua-cam.com/video/ql_N5BZ6SsE/v-deo.html (watch the whole thing or just start from 5:00.)
Lebron does not have a go to move. Lebron does not have a signature move. Lebron's jumper is not reliable. Lebron cannot get to a spot to make a shot. Lebron's free throw percentage is a weakness.
Lebron is difficult to stop if he's going downhill.
Sure, Lebron scored 40 points but, in the end, it didn't matter because, the shots he needed to make, he failed to make. Lebron can't retire on that note.
MJ passed the ball during games/playoff games. During the series vs the Suns, MJ looked for his teammates. Paxson made the the Suns pay.
Paxson also made the Lakers pay during their first championship.
During the Utah series, the first one, I believe, MJ passed the ball to Steve Kerr.
During the Double Nickel game vs the Knicks in Madison Square Garden. MJ passed the ball to Bill Wennington.
But there were many games when MJ just took over and dominated because he does not want to be denied the win/the championship.
Lebron's your G.O.A.T.. Lebron's this generation's G.O.A.T..
I am one of many who witnessed/watched the 80's NBA, 90's NBA, 00's NBA, and "Now" NBA. "Now" NBA is the least favorite to watch.
Lebron's great. No doubt. But, Lebron's not the G.O.A.T.. Michael Jordan is the 🐐.
Thank you, DangerProductions. ua-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/v-deo.html
He won dpoy so yeah jordan was the best defensive player in the lesgue 😂
Young people please know that to pick a true goat you have take your love for the player out of the equation. You have to love the game much more than the player.
Jordan shot 36.8%FG across his 6 NBA Finals from 3.... that's better than NBA average today....so, was he BAD 3-point shooter?
Gilbert forgets that the Bulls when MJ arrived had 1 winning season in 81. Since Mike suited up he stayed and changed the franchise.
Jordan in the 90's could shoot three's can't leave him open if you talking prime Mike
Plus, what are we talking about here?... Michael Jordan is a 9 time 1st team all defense and a DPOY... You don't think he could lock up Lebron?... JJ Berea did a pretty damn good job against prime Lebron in the finals... You don't know what you are talking about dude
9 times all-defense-team, incl once being defensive player of the year, and in the same year, being the top scorer of the league and MVP. Enough said.
Speed, size, and agility doesn't make you the GOAT. Skills, execution, and consistency of execution of those skills makes the GOAT
Bron is one of the greatest but MJ is the GOAT. Accept it....
You may not think Kobe is better but the majority of players that have played against both take Kobe over King Flop. And since you've only played b-ball on your game console, you're opinion is as robust as Frank Gore with the Wonderlic.
LOL!! No sh1t, I swear these kids never played on a competitive level in their lives.
🤣🤣🤣 Well said!
Lebron's 3point % is 1 point above Jordans... Are you serious?
Legends like Stan Van Gundy, Jay Williams and JJ Reddick agree with you man 🤣
Jordan's hangtime alone makes him greater than everyone else.
If you gave Jordan Kyrie, and Love it's a wrap. Cleveland and Miami both had gobs of talent. The Bulls had Jordan and Role players. Scottie is a glorified role player.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, “if you give Jordan kyrie and love” bro Jordan would’ve slapped the shit out of Kyrie if he acted out the way he did, #2 this Nigga would’ve gotten tired of playing with Kevin love because he’s always damn injured! Stop it bruh I like Jordan but for you to sit there and say give Jordan those guys that Nigga would’ve put paws on 90% of these fools out here, he ain’t playing with anybody don’t get it twisted 💀
Just wrong
@@ccjtv809 By that logic Jordan was also a glorified role player since his main role was to score the ball, yes they both had roles, but at the same time both were superstars. However I will note that Pippen needed a good 3-4 years to get going in the NBA, that's why the 1-9 argument "Jordan never made it past the 2nd round without Pippen" doesn't hold weight.
@@kristijanEXJordan could do everything. Pippen was limited in some ways that's why pip could be considered a glorified role player
Dude Lebron can't shoot anywhere near as good as Jordan
"This debate is never going to end"
Please!
Jordan is the GOAT and it is not even close.
LeBron James is not even the greatest player to ever wear a Lakers uniform.
MJ the goat no one come close , no one
Bro you're still trying to find something to justify your delusion 😂 It's comical at this point. You can look at your channel and tell who the GOAT is. The videos with the most views are about who? It damn sure ain't Lebron 😂
All props to your content bro keep going strong 💯💯💯 but MJ is the goat and im getting tired of this debate
Stop it.
MJ played 15 Years in the NBA with a 1,072 total games played and made 32k points, now Lebron at his 20th season and in 1,421 total games played has made 38k points, (a 6k points difference). In games Lebron have 349 total games played more than MJ in 5 years, so to get 6,000 points more Lebron only needed to score 17+ points per game, that being said, the points record is a longevity stat, that's it, don't put that int the GOAT conversation.
Lebron has scored less than 20 points in 242 games, less than 15 points in 59 game, less than 10 points in 8 games. That's 309 games scoring less than his average.
And he played all 82 games of the season except his last year
Have you seen some of the teams Jordan drug to the playoffs in the late 80s before Pip got drafted? You dont know about all that. Name another superstar on one of those teams.
LBJ open 3 is so dangerous he went 1-20 in the conference finals lol I don’t understand why MJs 3 is an argument because it was the only part of his game that was average, not below average but average. That’s LBJ fans argument but LBJ and Shaq have the same free throw percentage. Just hilarious, obviously that’s a bit of a stretch but a horrible free throw shooter and led the league in turnovers again, not to mention all time. He’s not better than Kobe. Kobe would not have got his cookies picked on the final shot to win a game. Most kids never even saw Jordan play. Also the Bulls were sh!t when Jordan got there and they been trying to hit the draft lottery ever since he left. Jordan was the best player and the coach, not Phil Jackson. Phil ran almost everything through MJ. Lebron is not that. Great player yes, up there all time, but him being better than Jordan is laughable, if you got to watch both
Jordan made the playoffs with the 85 Bulls! He literally was on one of the worst rosters ever constructed and made the playoffs at 21 years old!
Just because someone wants a comparison, that doesn't mean a comparison exists. That's the defining characteristic of a goat; that their is no dispute. They operate on a whole other level.
Cris bosh had better overall stats then pinnen just sprinkle wade on top of that and they couldn't even win 3 strait
73% FT…. Get the hell out of here😂
Bro, you need to do a Reaction vid to your own Reaction video. Do a little self-reflection on your own thoughts and comments as well🤣🤣🤣
I think your growing as a lebron fan. It's good to see you evolve. T-Mac answered everything very well. LEBRON definitely an all time player in his own right. But there just isn't a real way for you to say he is better than MJ. And the legends and HOF players told us what they see and gave LEBRON his props. Great video.
Listen.. Lebron would never EVER touch the glorious aura that Jordan spews out of his pores.
I agree ezio
Michael Jordan was objectively the best offensive and defensive player of the week in 1988. You can argue he was the best defensive player in the league multiple other years
LEBRON SHOT 34% AND JORDAN SHOT 33% FROM 3 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Nah man if were talking about the teams in comparison then why would leflop leave the miami then? I mean that's a stacked team he won 2 rings with them and when they had a chance on a 3peat unfortunately they couldn't finish he leaves miami? He could have just stayed and suck it up and work on another season,
Ιt's simple. We have already seen the MJ vs Lebron. How? Kobe vs LEbron. We all say that Kobe was the light version of MJ. Just take a look what happened every time Kobe played defense against Lebron and every time Lebron played defense against Kobe. MJ couldn't do anything less than what Kobe did against Lebron
Let me say it is I said it once, and I’ll say it again, I am a Lebron and Jordan fan. I don’t know how many people say that, but I’m saying it let’s make that clear first note as far as the three point shooting by numbers, LeBron is the greatest three point shooter then Jordan by numbers, but the one thing about Jordan, is he never cared about shooting threes I’m a say it again MJ never cared about shooting threes. That’s why you don’t see a lot of three point shooting out of MJ. Thank about it and I was in the lead for 15 years. Two of those years he didn’t play a whole season. He only played like 18 to 17 games each out of those two little Seasons. So he really played 13 whole seasons. MJ finished in scoring third of all time all really 13 seasons. Let’s say MJ never retired. LeBron will be breaking MJ‘s record in all time scoring instead of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
That makes MJ even better because he had to hit more buckets to get those points. He averaged more than the players today that do shoot the long ball.
can't forget the face by saying kyrie hahaha! bro gave it to mike and add up love possibly not only 6 rings but more
Its easy to describe why mikes the goat. Most complete resume of all time. The best combination of offensive and defensive accolades of all time(10 scoring titles, 9 all defensive 1st teams and a dpoy.) 2nd most rings of all time as the alpha of a team. Most finals mvps. 2nd most mvps every. Leads in most major per game advanced statistics. No other player comes close to checking all the boxes.
The reason Scotty Pippin has a grudge against Michael, is that MJ'S son is dating Pippin's ex-wife
listening too this young dude make my hears bleed. i feel sorry for those who didnt get to see jordan live. jordan is an icon..
LBJ always chokes ung the 4th quarter of NBA FINALS.
MJ is a killer with and he’s the one taking over the 4th quarter not his teammates like LBJ has in the likes of Wades & Kyrie. MJ dont jumpship, As a great competitor he played against other great players, not join the. Now that’s what you called THE GOAT.
This guy is so lost, thinks lebron is 100% better then kobe is just hilarious.
The moment LeBron walked in the league he averaged like 16 points and his team missed the playoffs two years in a row.😂
Jordan not going to be able to guard Lebron??!? Give me some of that you smoking! He used to ask to guard the hardest to guard on every team and was always top 3 in steals. You do the math. Size ain't everything.
What noone does is compare them according to their positions. MJ is the best 2 guard to ever play. Lebron doesn't outrank every other 4 statically. Outside of the longevity Stats MJ was average at 3 lebron is bad from 3. Lebron bad at free throws Mj isn't. MJ had an Olympic medal before the NBA which noone mentions
Lebron is a 3 not a 4
Yeah Scotty's not cappin' here. This is the truth. He's saying wild shit now because he's got a lot of anger and resentment and bitterness about some things. You'll understand how that works as you mature.
Could you imagine Jordan playing in an era where you can’t guard him close it you can’t put a hand on him and you can’t touch him at all
He would easily average 50 a game in today’s era.
LeBron is great and we all know that but Jordan is on a whole other level of greatness and people can see it with their own eyes especially the ones who have gotten the chance to watch both of their careers not just the new school kids who only seen LeBron because that’s who they are going to pick regardless
I also disagree with Shaq on amount of points. That’s like saying Emitt Smith was better than Barry Sanders and he absolutely wasn’t lol
9:45 Why not? Kobe was able to guard LeBron on iso plays. Infact in strictly iso plays LeBrons averages drop when Kobe is guarding him, whereas Kobe's goes up when LeBron guards him. So if Kobe can guard LeBron, I don't see why MJ wouldn't be able to. Phil Jackson even stated Jordan was a superior defender.
Never got swept...never flopped...
This Isn't a debate
I grew up in the no flop era…flops ruined basketball for me,I can’t consider someone that flops the greatest…I just can’t
Lebron airballs free throws, load manages and isnt a great shooter (tho got better) and is inconsistent defensively..
number 4-6 all time for me, but he aint in the class of my top two
Jordan and Bird.. number 3 is a dominant Center for me (Kareem or Hakeem, Wilt) and then probably Magic and then Kobe, Lebron, even curry, or KD, Duncan, Shaq..
You said look at his stats....fine, but if you take longevity out of it, across all relevant statistical analysis, LeBron is behind Jordan except for a few areas.
His vision gives him a losing record in the finals! The only top 10 Alltime player that has a losing record in the finals
If you believe the all time scoring crown matters, then you also must believe Malone is better than Kobe.
The denial 🤣
There is nothing anyone can say, show you and/or comparing stats, because in your mind you've only seen Lebron play and to you he's your goat. I've seen both complete careers and Lebron has the greatest career over 20 yrs, MJ accomplished more in a shorter period of time and was dominant on both sides of the ball for most of his career. MJ is not my favorite player, but MJ is the GOAT.
MJ fans make him look like something that he's actually not? It was Bird that said "that was God disguised as Jordan." Speaking of Celtics - Jayson Tatum was shaking when he was in Black Jesus' presence. Ben Affleck, who's a huge Boston fan, said "Jordan is as close to a deity you're going to find." Another huge Celtics fan (Matt Damon) said "Jordan was so much bigger than the game." How big? Denzel Washington said that MJ was so famous that once the went out to dinner with him and that he felt like he was working security for Jordan. Zach LaVine said MJ was a myth - the idol of all idols. Kevin Durant said "his skills, his IQ and his athleticism all combined made him a God level player." Shaq said he didn't talk smack to MJ cause "you don't want to mess with God." Kendall Gill once said "Calling out the devil is one thing. Facing him is another." T-Mac said first time he saw MJ in person that MJ had a glow around him. Jamal Crawford said when he first saw MJ in person that he didn't seem real. Like a ghost. Actor Terry Crews said "the most manliest man in the world when Jordan walks in turns into a skirt with 'oh my God.' He was just so phenomenal. He floated." After Barkley first saw MJ play at Olympic trials he said "I just saw something I've never seen in my life before." Magic said MJ is the greatest athlete that played any sport. Hakeem in his autobiography (Living the Dream) said “If he were an animal in the jungle Michael Jordan could lie out on the biggest rock and no one would disturb him, no one would attack him." First time Wilt met MJ at 1997 All-Star weekend he told Ahmad Rashad "Well I just went over to say hello to him and I was like everybody else, in awe.” Tim Hardaway said Jordan has done so much for basketball that when players see him they should bow their heads to him. You see how it's not only fans but hall-of-famers turned legends that grant Black Jesus infinite reverence?
This kid got serious delusion. It's a crazy person that thinks the rest of the world is insane lol...He's a forever Flat Earther
You missed Allen Iverson words that to him MJ seemed not real too
@@Kestasification I think Bron said same thing. And Shannon Sharpe has said that first time he saw and spoke to Jordan that he didn't seem real. He said "I don't want to be blasphemous but it's almost like you're talking to a God. It's like a dream."
Excellent summation!
Johnson was quite generous saying James made his teammates better, played the game the right way.
James needed 20+ seasons jumping from team to team trying to win cheap rings. Flops and plays for fouls/calls, gets carried off the court like a queen, has excuses for poor performances, calls himself the goat etc.
Also chokes in finals, won 4, a few were from superteams, lost 6. The GOAT loses 6 finals? With all the HOF's/all stars he had as teammates?
Talking of Lebron as GOAT....Jokic only needs another MVP and ring with Nuggets for everyone to forget all about James.
And Jordan would wreck James 1v1.
Jordan and Kobe were assassins in the game. Deliberate, technical, deadly.
Lol they asking people who don't like Jordan personally.
Stats aside. Championships aside. If peak and prime Lebron got in a time machine and traveled to any court or any park to face a peak and prime mike, he's losing. One on one. Two on two. Five on five. Don't matter. MJ wins at least 7 out of 10.
Its acknowledgement vs. selfproclaimed...
Love how you quiet af when they praise Jordan, but gush like a girl when they praise Lebron.
One things im seeing thats people are forgetting is the time played in the league. Also MJ decipher his team mates pros and cons. Unlocking there true potential. Lebron on the other hand kept team hopping and flopping and complaining. This league today is to soft one little touch and its a foul. I sat and watch lebron dunk most of the time and bearly no defender, jordan on the other hand had 3 people on multiple occasions blocking him and took it straight to the hole like a beast.
Case in point this league is sad, take away all the bs calls in todays game, and im willing to bet there would not be a lebron
When you poll the fans their gonna tell you who the goat is. It’s gonna be Jordan
your bias about taking clutch shots @ 17:20 "jordan is not passing"
the video, minutes later stating actual facts: "when jordan passed to steve kerr"
weird how reality is always the best supporter of jordan in goat arguments.
Everyone who watched Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron all play live and in their prime knows there is only 1 M J. Like Mike everyone wants to be Like Mike.
I LOVE watching you struggle with this! Your trolling technique is immaculate! The delusion is palpable. When you think you know better than the experts, you’re lost. I hope you’re not serious🤦🏽♂️
Man got so excited when Shaq was talking then shaq proceeded to rank him 3rd all time 😂😂
Lebron took 20 years to do what MJ did in 13. Jordan is the best all around player he plays defense and played all games in a season(check the stats). MJ got hit hard with real hits while scoring, not like today's actors. Lebron is hard to watch ,flops from a gust of wind don't even need contact. I'm a die hard nuggets fan but I never missed an MJ or Kobe game ever.
Comment sections are where the radicals live bro lol. Most people feel like these famous dude. Lebron is great, he’s just not the best ever.
I saw Jordan and LBJ play in their respected eras and I have to say that LBJ has the greatest career of all time because his peak lasted the longest of any player that has ever played the game. The man came from HS and had ridiculous expectations from the jump and he met those expectations and surpassed them. But Jordan's peak though not as long as LBJ, I feel is much higher cause in his peak, he dominated the game of basketball on and off the court. I also believe that the era Jordan played in were more prideful than today's players. Back then, players were just glad to get paid to play ball and played for bragging rights. These days players prioritize the bag more than pride and bragging rights (except for Ja). Just compare the All-Star games of when Jordan played and when LBJ played. In Jordan's era, All-Star games were just as real as regular season games. Whereas the All-Star games these days are trash. That in itself should tell you how serious those plumbers were in Jordan's era vs todays elite athletes.
Ya, Lebron should have passed the ball from that Western Conference final Game 4. 😅🤣😂
Lebron went and joined top players in the league when he couldn't win. Jordan stayed and made the team and other players better. If Lebron could have made players better he should have stayed in Cleveland. He couldn't make them better so he joined all stars.
It is like this they played in to different eras! But todays athletes have a better advantage because of medical technology. These players now actually are playing longer because of that.
Little kids don't understand. Kobe schooled lebron numerous times. Stop it with your fake king.
perfect specimen on how a stage of denial looks like lmao
this guy saw lebum 2016😂