Which Final Fantasy deserves the next remake? (Analysis)
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- The long awaited remake of Final Fantasy 7 is here at last, and considering what a massive success it’s been, it’s natural to ask: after FF7R, which game in the series would be next in line for a remake treatment?
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00:00 Intro
01:32 The Candidates
02:32 The Early Games
06:34 The Modern Games
11:29 The True Contenders
18:34 The Final Two
24:33 The Final Verdict - Ігри
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Aleary watched all of your videos quite a while, also I've subbed to you =) at the moment I'm playing FF3 steam version and trying to get all achievements next will be FFV I'm shocked that SE removed FFV from steam to replace the FFV pixel remaster, I'm so lucky I bought the game before they removed without knowing they would do this, now people don't have a PC version of the remaster, only through iOS/Android or piracy pc version, this is so sad to know, FFVIII remaster has a problem with FPS drops why SE are poorly handling a so much loved old versions franchise? It makes me sad...
@@YDG666 Thank you for your support! 😍 I do think it's a shame they removed the old version. Although I don't personally like the way it looks, it would have been nice to let people make the choice themselves!
@@Altercate indeed or buy both versions SE would profit more =D
Final Fantasy VI is better than VII in my opinion. Kefka is without a doubt one of the best villains of all time alongside Luca Blight and Handsome Jack.
Definitely agree about Luca Blight. Had to look up Handsome Jack, never played Borderlands 2 unfortunately!
For me 6 is my favorite hands down. I would love to see them remake it but not like 7. It would be great to see it remade in 12s graphics. So that we could get the same game with slight tweaks and get the full package all at once. Not in pieces. Also for the love of God keep Tetsuya Nomura away from the project. He doesn’t need to be involved at all on 6 of it ever does get a remake!
I think kefka is overrated. Very one dimensional character but each their own.
I agree %100 with you that 6 is better than 7. Many people are really viewing 7 with nostalgia. I get it. I have nostalgia for FFI but it was definitely flawed and not the best in the series.
@@FreeFlow__Well he's easily the best from the FF mainline games.
I think IV should get the next remake. It's a simple story, but the core themes will never be outdated. Guilt, love, jealousy, and the capacity for evil within every person, but also the hope of redemption. The character designs would look incredible on the PS5. Imagine Kain's shimmering crystal dragoon armor, or Cecil's flowing white hair after he frees himself of the dark knight helm. Imagine going to the underground kingdom of the dwarves, or the indescribable land of summons, or even believe it or not the moon, in realtime 3d rendering, with the full benefit of the best modern hardware. Even people who have never played Final Fantasy IV would want to see that
Good call! I agree, I would LOVE to see a remake of Final Fantasy IV. It's such a beautiful story, and there are so many scenes I think would turn out amazing in a modern retelling.
PS. Nice avatar! What is this, a crossover episode?!
FF 4 has already been remade though!
I find it grimly amusing that the first one you eliminated from consideration is the one we're getting...
CHAOS
True! 😂 All I can say is, I'm going to KILL CHAOS.
This is the comment I came here for 😂
Finalf Fantasy VI would require a lot of work to storyboard and build into a modern gaming experience, however, imagine how crazy magitek armored sections of the game could be implemented, you got a new form of FF gameplay right there.
Dude, don't get my hopes up! 🤣 An action-packed magitek battle with all the CGI power of Square Enix behind it would be insane...
Goddamn right, dude! I've been saying FF6 is the next one that needs to be done, mainly because its the only one of the series aside from 7 that did not reach its full potential. All the other games are as good as they're going to get for better or worse. And 6 has a deep emotional story with moments and images that the SNES tried so hard to bring to life, but ultimately was just beyond its hardware. To see the opera realized in full cinematic HD gives me legit goosebumps and throat lumps. Also, it'd be a bit simpler to split up. FF7's story works best as a trilogy (Although that second part has a LOT of content, so its feesible to split it into 2 parts), but 6 could be accomplished in just 2 games. World of Balance and World of Ruin. Imagine the freeform open world aspect of the WoR given a fleshed out, structured form with a story that serves as a sequel to the previous game...which ended with our heroes losing a' la Empire Strikes Back. Top notch analysis, dude. I REALLY hope Squeenix pulls the trigger on that one. I bet it would get better reviews than FF7R, honestly.
Thank you so much for your kind words! 😍 The picture you paint of a FF6 Remake sounds honestly absolutely amazing. I really hope we get to see that somewhere down the line... Imagine the coin toss scene redone in that style! And yeah, it'd be incredibly hype for a new generation of gamers to beat Ultima Weapon at the end of World of Balance only to FAIL to save the world and then have to wait years for the sequel! Real "Infinity War" moment there! 😂
I would love to see Celes' somber face in glorious 3D. She was on some deep parallel to Terra who was half-esper, who could learn magic naturally, while she was infused with artificial magic, by the empire. Her Runic ability was so damn useful. Also worse off is, Locke had to choose which one of them in the end.
@@hardyjoe4278 Well said! Celes is definitely one of my favorite characters in the series. 😀
@@Altercate Something else I was thinking about that the AAA treatment could really nail, is Celes' suicide attempt. So, we know her character theme is the same as her aria, but there's that little semi-turbulent intro that comes first. What if that is saved for when Cid dies. I imagine her coming to feed him and the background music fading to silence. She tries to get his attention a few times to no avail. When it finally occurs to her what's happened, that intro plays in full orchestration as she drops the plate of fish onto the floor and stumbles backward, maybe knocking over some items from a table, her face twisting in fear, shock, and anguish. She steadily approaches him and holds his hand with silent tears streaming down her cheeks as her actual theme begins to play. She can deliver a monologue through sobs, and a small montage can play out of her giving him a proper burial. Then crossfade to her climbing the hill to the cliffs, all while this theme is playing. The original game used star effects to symbolize her tears, but now we could see them in full HD. There's so much they could do with that scene, and if they split the game down the middle thats like the first hour or two of the second game.
@@pillowpants1984 Beautifully put. I'd love to see that! 😍 The first time I played the game, I didn't know you could save Cid, and it really broke me when he died. I could feel Celes' helplessness and sorrow. It was so much more powerful for the fact that you actually have his life in your hands... It's not just a cut scene you have no power over. In a remake, I do think Cid's death should be canon, though, as it makes for a much more powerful motif, and really drives home the anguish and despair of the lowest point in Celes' character arc. I don't know, I guess I just have a thing for tragic characters... 😂
i would love ff 5 remake in trails of mana artstyle
That would be beautiful! 😀
Great video mate indeed 6 & 8 makes sense honestly and you really do deserve more subs man keep up the good work
Thank you so much! That really means a lot to me :)
Altercate all good mate
take a look at Tales of Arise, i think the IX can use similar visual. a remake doesn't have to be hollywood/realistic styled
Very true! I'm looking forward to Tales of Arise, btw 😀
We even have a fan remake PoC called the Memoria Project to show that such a remake could work... come on Square-Enix... remake FF9!!!
My favorite Final Fantasy games are FF 8, FF 6, and FF 5. A remake of Final Fantasy 6 would be amazing.
Those games are all in my top 5 as well! 😀
I mean 2 would make an amazing candidate for a remake in my eyes because of the flawed systems implemented being adjusted for a different playstyle. With modern storytelling and a gameplay loop closer to the 7 remake I imagine that 2 could really pull an about face in a way no other game in the series could
Definitely agree with that. After I did my retrospective on FF2 I have a totally changed attitude about the the game and I think it has a ton of potential in a remake!
FF VI was my favorite game for most of my gaming life. And yeah, it would be too ambitious of a project to do. If FF VII Remake turns out having 3 installments, I can’t imagine FF VI having less than… well… 6.
Still, if they did it right, it would be an unbelievable achievement.
I like your take on this topic, I had no idea FF4 was so significant. I'd love a remake of FF8 and FF6 next. I want to experience the terror that is Kefka w/ today's technical feats.
Thanks for your comment! I'm working on my retrospective of FF4 right now and while I still think there'd be less interest in a remake, I gotta say that it would be amazing to see a modern take on this story.
@@Altercate I can't wait to see your retrospective video. Your work is awesome and super informative.
Great video, man. And I totally agree with your analysis. If FFVIII is the next remake, I can die a happy man. But in saying that, a FF VI remake can be just as amazing - both games have amazing stories and enchanting characters that make them the perfect candidates for a remake.
And you make very valid points as to why FF VI might be problematic to remake.
Thanks so much! :)
Frankly, I'd be okay if any of the games before 10 got remade. I personally like video game remakes, I think they're a good opportunity to explore a familiar story in a new light, and provided the original is readily available I don't see an issue with it. 10 and afterward are possibilities too, I just feel like the older games deserve it more.
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I personally think IV would benefit the most from a remake, I think fleshing out that world would really reinvent the fantasy jrpg.
Thank you so much for saying that, that really makes my day! 😍
I'd love to see FFIV get a remake. Imagine fighting as Cecil against his Dark Knight self while an epic orchestral rearrangement of the boss battle theme plays... 😮
And it turns out FF1 is the one that gets remake instead. Though your arguments were still valid since Stranger of Paradise looks much more like a brand new game instead of anything based on the original NES title.
VI is objectively probably the best option for remake, but I would be little apprehensive about switching from the cartoony 2D pixels that I know and love to some hyper realistic 3D rendering and real time combat. Remaking VI would be a risky project and very easy to mess up. I would personally love to see remake of FFV with more modernised job system and innovations on gameplay, but I doubt it would happen as the title just wouldn't generate much hype around it.
There's definitely a lot that could go wrong with a FF6 remake, and I agree it doesn't convert as naturally as FF7 did. But the potential upside is so great, it would be very interesting to see them try! I do agree that a modern take on FF5 would be amazing, though. I think it would make a really great action RPG!
I am one of those who still prefer IV, but I'm on the wrong side of 40 now, so that's probably why.
Thanks for sharing! Final Fantasy 4 deserves infinite love and respect for what it did for the series and the genre as a whole. Absolute revolution of a game, that laid the framework for Final Fantasy 6 and later titles. Cecil, Kain, and Rydia are still some of my favorite characters in all of gaming! 😀
IV isn't my favorite, but it's up there. I actually played it in the early 2000s, over a decade after its initial release, so the impact on me wouldn't have been as huge as it had been on people who played it when it first came out. However, I was still blown away by how effective the storytelling was for its time and how brilliantly the music captured the mood of all the significant moments in the game. IV is actually one of the few FFs that I managed to play through to completion. Honestly, I think your opinion has a lot of support among the late gen-xers and the older millennials.
I think VI should be remade as an MMORPG. It would tell more or less the same story but with all the original characters as NPCs and in story scenes. Scenes like defending the Esper could be huge multi-party events and there would also be the possibility of continuing the story with expansion packs.
That's a very interesting idea for sure! It makes sense in a way since FF6 is one of the games in the series that has the least clearcut protagonist. It'd certainly work fine with the player taking the role of some sort of Returner fighting alongside the original characters!
You've got a talent for writing engaging scripts. Your delivery is gripping.
Please keep it up!
Thank you so much! That's very kind of you :)
Really nice production quality on your videos. Keep up the good work and I’m sure the subs will come
Thank you so much, I really appreciate hearing that! 😍
FF6 and FF8 would be my winner and runner-up as well!
Great video. I do think that FF12 should have become a major contender, though. This is one entry that brims with ambition but falls short not exactly due to execution but - in my opinion - on the account of missing content.
1. Adding more cutscenes with some bonding between party members would be a good start. The cutscenes that are there are good, but there are not enough of them. I do feel that we are missing: bonding between Balthier and Vaan - at the end out of the sudden Balthier decides his ship would be the safest in the hands of Vaan. But when did he reach this conclusion and why? Another case is Bash and Ashe. Also there should be also some general events that would make the groups come together as a team.
2. Since characters are essentially on the run, add some tension elements such as actually being hunted by someone and having to maintain a low profile. Perhaps add an element of choice and consequence here.
3. Give more backstory to the most intriguing characters e.g. Fran's story was awesome, but it was short and ended abruptly never to matter in the second half of the game.
4. Making side quests such as excellent monster hunting somehow related to the story would be another step. As awesome as these quests were, when spend too much time doing them you forget what you were supposed to do in the main story.
5. Refining combat so that you could program gambits as before but switch between them as easily as between paradigms in FFXIII would add ease of use to gameplay without sacrificing its complexity.
6. Getting rid of all fetch quests or expanding upon them in the vein The Witcher 3 did with its content. In the witcher 3 even quests that came down to moving an item from one corner of the map to another had often heartwarming or heartgripping story to tell (e.g. the granny and the frying pan quest). Expanding it would remove tedium and give more opportunities for the cast to show their characters.
Thank you so much! 😍 Wow, this is an epic comment with tons of really good ideas! I agree that FF12 had a ton of potential, and it's kind of heartbreaking how far short of that potential the game fell. I have tried the game twice and never could get fully into it due to some of the reasons you mention such as the lack of enough party bonding cut scenes and a feeling like a lot of the story wasn't integrated with the gameplay. I'm going to give the game a serious playthrough soon (as I'm slowly working my way through the main series for my retrospectives) and will see how I feel then. I suspect I will share many of the thoughts you voiced above!
@@Altercate Good luck! I finished FF12 Zodiac Age on my Switch just a week ago. When the original was released, I remembered I had fun, but I did feel the game was overlong and rushed to finish it at the end.
Now, when I played it it struck me how many great ideas those guys had, but since they were first to implement them, they fell short.
I mean the main story is essentially the Game of Thrones (lite) before the Game of Thrones became popular.
The dialogs - when they happened - were not bombastic and brimming with emotion - like in stage drama - but they did sound like normal people talking about their predicament, like, they had genuine psychology going on, which gave it all a sense of realism.
The main villain was finally far from 'Mwhahahaha, I'm gonna explode the world, because kids didn't play with me and I have mother complex' I'd even argue, he was *right* in his ideology (though still evil, because of the execution).
Monster hunting quests clearly laid the grounds for... Monster Hunter.
And so on, and so forth.
Sorry for this overlong post again, but I do feel need to share my rekindled passion for this entry. I feel that for FF12 the devs failed only because they did not have the know-how yet as they were pioneering so many things. For this reason, out of sheer ambition and balls the developers had in original version, this entry would deserve the right to be remade into what FF12 was meant to be.
@@mreszotnik No need to apologize at all! I'm always interested to hear this type of thoughts! 😀
And I agree that the dialogue is really good in FF12. That's the one thing I remember 100% loving the first time I played the game. It's the first game in the series (and one of the first console games PERIOD) that has professional level voice acting as well as a really good script.
Great video, but it astonishes me that you didn't mention that FF4 kind of got a remake already. Sure, it was on the DS and later ported, but it and 3 kind of got the treatment already.
True! I thought about mentioning it, along with FF3 3D remake and some of the others (I also consider Dawn of Souls and Anniversary Edition to be essentially remakes of FF1 and FF2 since they differ so greatly from the original games). Ultimately I chose not to mention it just to keep down the complexity (and length) of the video 🤣
Man I'm becoming a fan of your videos, loved the Pixel Remaster reviews, keep them coming!
Thank you so much! 😍
I don’t see Square remaking any of the 2D FF games, like at all. If so, it would only be in to 2DHD format like Octopath Traveler, AT BEST. 8 was just an impossible follow-up to the beloved 7, so I’d have to say 9 is the most likely to be remade.
FF8 as an action RPG with 4K graphics is my dream, i hope square enix ends FF7 remake soon (i hope there will be only, like, 3 parts and that's it) and FF8 is next.
Thanks for sharing! I'd love to see that too :)
Remaking 9 using the same aesthetics as the Secret/Trials of Mana remake would work really well... Just take a look at the Memoria Project, the fan remake proof of concept of FF9. Regarding weak characters of Quina, Amarant, and Freya, I would that it doesn't really matter that much. You can treat them as the Umaro, Mog, Gogo, (or even Gau, Relm, Strago, and/or Setzer) of the franchise.
That’d be cool to see for sure!
I know a lot of people want IX to get remade, or even VI, IV, X, VIII, and XIII.
But I really think II deserves a remake the most, considering how most of what makes it hated and seen as a "bad Final Fantasy game" is because of it being rushed. Even with remasters on PS1 through the PSP, as well as the Pixel Remaster, I fully believe a remake from the ground up would best suit II.. most fittingly in the action RPG sort of way, similar to how XV was handled.
You might think "No, keep it turn-based!" but with how many people think the proficiency system just doesn't work with that, something akin to an action RPG would make more sense as the player would choose different playstyles and become familiar with that setup. Maybe have combos between weapons as you learn and improve each along the way, or weave magic that scales the more you practice with it. Let your mastery of weapons unlock skills seen from Firion in the Dissidia games that improve with practice, while the power of Ultima and other spells scale with your knowledge of magic.
I'd love to see II become a better game that fans can be proud of, rather than an already good game like IX that can only cause disappointment from high, unmet standards.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’d be up for that version of FF2 for sure! :)
I honestly don't think they'll do either of them in the full-on FF7 Remake style, simply because that approach really does require multiple games to do the whole thing with the right amount of detail. Only FF7 has a big enough following and fan support to really justify that kind of budget and time commitment.
The best I think we can hope for is an Octopath Traveler style remake for 6, like they're doing with Dragon Quest 3 right now. I hope they do FF6 and Chrono Trigger next!
Thanks for commenting! I think you're right, at least in the near future. You never know what's going to happen in 20-30 years, but for now I see it as unlikely that any of the games would get the FF7 Remake treatment...
@@Altercate Yeah who knows what will happen over the long term. Hard to know which games will actually be remembered the most over that time. It could end up switching entirely, depending on the mood of the time.
Oddly I would love to see all the games remade lol. Even ones like the first and 2 would be cool to see most likely with expanded characters/story for the older ones, for example, IV had large parts of the script cut due to hardware limitations. Wouldn't want to see them all hyper-realistic and detailed of course, but would love to see them all in a modern style with modern storytelling tools. Sure games like the original would have to be greatly expanded on, but making characters of the heroes of light, particularly if you give them proper arcs (something that can increase the length by giving them a little more to do, maybe with something similar to Ovtopath traveler when you can experience the story of the characters you choose for your 4. Imagine the replay value if every party composition changed the details of the side stories of the characters' development.
Working my way through the pixel remasters atm, so I’m in ff mode. Really enjoyed your video.
Thank you so much! 😀
FFVI is a better game, but FFVIII would benefit from a remake more. The soundtrack to that game has aged extremely well, it's also one of the few FF games where the "modern" combat system of the past 15 years won't feel like a complete intrusion.
That's a good point! FFVIII's style would actually be a great fit for an action RPG, and that's something I didn't really think about when I made this video. :)
VI please! My god the only thing I'd like more than FFVI Remake is Chrono Trigger Remake
Any of the classic FFs that weren't already remade already. I mean full 3D remakes. FFII definitely needs it.
Funny thing is that FF12 is functionally a full realization of what 2 was going for. Especially with the Zodiac Age. You got your fully blank slate characters. Guest characters who frequently come and go. Political machinations. Sexy chick with a bow in promo art….
@@donstarlancer You are probably going to hate this. I am actually braving through FFX-2. It's actually bearable now, because it is the, "International" version, included with the cut content.
I really loved FFXII. I played the crap out of it on the PS2, and just couldn't wait to get the zodiac age version on Switch. I was about to download that version on an emulator, but I had a slow PC at the time.
I hope you get big some day. I love these video essays
I really appreciate the support! I love making these videos and I'll keep at it for as long as I can! 😀
Before we get another ff remake Nomura and Nojima needs to finish their FF7 fanfic, wich will take a decade in total.
Yeah, I definitely don’t want them to start up another Remake project of the same scope before they’re done with this one!
Wow! I agree with so many of the conclusions and observations that you made in this video, including ones I hadn't thought of before!
FFVIII was literally the first roleplaying game I _ever_ played: I hadn't even played tabletop games like D&D at that time, so you can imagine how impactful of an experience it was when I saw that opening cutscene for the first time. Although it has many flaws, I still find messing around with the junction system insanely fun, and even though the main story doesn't resonate with me as much now that I'm an adult (although the Laguna parts now hit _much_ harder), at the time I played it, I had actually gone through a real-life experience very similar to what happened between young Squall and Ellone prior to the start of the story, so I really felt like the game was acknowledging me and my experiences at the time. That said, my _personal_ pick for the next remake would be FFVIII, but I doubt that many others in the fanbase would be at all interested in that.
I think your choice of VI was perfect. I'm actually not as big of a fan of VI as I am of VII or VIII, but I can see why it's such a highly-regarded game, and I feel like, similar to VII, VI suffered from coming at a time when the available technology was inadequate to capture the full scope of the story that the creators wanted to tell. I also was surprised by how much I agreed with your point that really, Square should be trying to strike out in a new direction rather than trying to go back to the well of their old IPs. You pointed out in another one of your videos that the Final Fantasy series was created with the desire to push the envelope, and unfortunately, I think its identity in the culture at large has evolved to become sort of the antithesis of that. It would be nice to see another title that really changes our idea of what an RPG can be again.
Oh yeah, and this video earned you my sub. Well done!
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Thank you so much for your kind words! I put a lot of heart into these videos so I get really happy when they connect with someone. :) And thanks once again for sharing your personal experience with FF8! As I mentioned, it's my favorite in the series, for various complicated reasons that I'll explain in detail when I eventually get around to doing my FF8 retrospective. Still have to do FF4-FF6 and revisit FF7 first, though, so it'll take a while lol.
And yes, I'm more ready than ever to see something new and exciting (and brave) from Final Fantasy. After what Square has done with FF7Remake and Shadowbringers/Endwalker for FF14, I've got high hopes for the series again for the first time in many years. Can't wait to see what FF16 will be like. :)
VI deserves a remake. But I don't think Square Enix can capture the magic that the original has. Not these days anyway.
VIII's right up their alley though. It was the dawn of pretty boy anime storytelling.
Harsh words! 😂 That said, I do agree that capturing the magic of Final Fantasy VI would be extremely challenging!
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My fave FF is FF6 i would pay $1000 for a remake done in the caliber of FF 7 Remake. It would be my dying wish. Though that is a good point about the too many characters. They could leave Gogo and Umaro out. Maybe sideline Setzer? I dunno. It just desperately needs a modern respectable, refresh of some sort.
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It'd be a huge effort to get it done, that's for sure. But maybe it'll happen in our lifetime. :)
While remaking the latest game is usually a bad move, 15 wouldn't be absurd to make a spin-off *versus* 13/15. People still can't let go.
13 deserves a remaster.
8 is similar to 7, 15, and 13. It's close to 15, but more sci-fi fantasy. 15 is actually the closest to our own, with American flavor while 8 is more European.
8 needs things that a remake to fix some problems it has (especially with the empty pockets in it's story). I feel realistically, 8 is the better choice
If we're only talking about "expanding" the existing games like what FF7R has done with FF7, I believe FF1-6 would benefit the most from getting a remake of their own. To me, I think the titles from FF8 onwards are quite sufficient enough on their own. Not that they can't be expanded upon anymore, as titles like FF8 and FF9 still leave some room for expansion. But the potential for expansion for FF1-6 is so vast that they deserve the priority at least to me. For example, while they've added some things in the FF3 DS remake, I've noticed how much more things can be done. Aria in FF3, the first FF character ever to receive a character musical theme of their own (aside from "Matoya's Cave" I guess if you count that as her personal theme), has so much potential.
I think even if titles like FF1 or FF3 are like "blank slate RPGs" with their protagonists in the original versions, they're good candidates for remakes. In fact, they might even be the best candidates because the room for improvement and expansion is the biggest among all the titles. The remakes/re-releases for FF1-3 so far have also given us a taste of extra content if they're given a similar treatment as FF7R. Again, I'm only looking at this in terms of expanding the stories, characters, lores, gameplay, etc.
Oh, I don't count SoPFFO as a remake of FF1 as have also been explained by the devs themselves.
Great video btw! You definitely deserve way more views and subs for your videos. Also, I like how you're asking for FF16 here and then they announced it a day after you uploaded this video haha
Thank you so much for your kind words! 😍
Totally agree that a remake of FF3 with a solid story would be really great! I'd love to see it and I was actually thinking along those lines while working on my FF3 retrospective recently. I was also thinking that Aria especially deserves a much more central role in the story.
Regarding FF16, I had a strong feeling it was going to be announced on Sep 16 so I really rushed to get this video out before then... 😂
Personally I'd want VIII or V to be remade next, if they want to do another remake at all that is. I feel about VI basically the same way you feel about IX, I can see that it has good qualities, but my experience is soured by it's flaws. But perhaps the fact that I'm not fond of VI is all the more reason for it to get a remake, maybe they'd be able to improve some of the things that bother me about it.
Thanks for commenting! That's true, maybe a remake would be what lets a new generation of gamers fall in love with FFVI. As much as I love the game and as much as it meant to me in the past, I do think it has aged a LOT over the last few decades! 😀
Edit: Almost forgot to ask, what was it that bothered you about FFVI?
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What bothers me the most is the lack of a deep character growth/customization system, on top of the bloated cast making the disparity between different characters power levels really unbalanced. Characters like Edgar and Sabin are so powerful that basically everyone ends up using them, whereas characters like Relm and Gau can sometimes feel just barely better than an empty party slot. Also considering that the games on either side (V and VII) have great character growth/customization systems it makes the rather bland Esper system look even worse. Especially after FFV's job system, which I feel is the best character growth/customization system in any FF game. The last third of the game, after you've gotten back Setzer and an airship, can feel unfocused and confusing, and generally pushes the main story into the background.
@@ballroomscott Thanks for sharing! I think everything you said makes sense. I enjoyed the Esper system for its power leveling aspects (for example, taking Celes alone in the end game with Odin equipped to max out speed) but it's definitely not as much fun as either FFV or FFVII!
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At least the Esper system is better than the nothing that IV has, at least all versions except the 3DS remake. And I would criticize IX more but the characters are actually really well balanced and they get a lot of mileage out of the abilities you learn from gear. I'm really tempted to get the Pixel Remaster of II since I had a good time with that system, but I played the GBA version so it had a lot of changes from the original. LOL But I'm gonna wait until they release those on consoles.
@@ballroomscott Yeah, the Pixel Remasters will be great for Switch imo, perfect type of game to play in handheld mode on the couch or elsewhere 😀
I love this discussion. Wonderfully done and communicated sir
Thank you so much! That's so nice of you to say :)
I wanna make a case for 2.
It's a really interesting game with a small cast of characters that has systems in it that may not be super great in practice show a lot of potential for a second go.
It's story can be easily built upon, or you can save your mental energy and just make the characters into more realized people. And the Amano artwork is just gorgeous and distinct.
And then, you know at the end of the day if a game is good what would a full remake be as opposed to a re-master? Why re-make Casablanca when you can remake A Boy and His Dog?
Haha, yeah, good point about Casablanca 🤣 I agree about FF2, it has a lot of potential. Don't know if you saw my FF2 retrospective video, but basically, I have pretty much completely changed my mind about this game after I committed to playing through the original. That said, I still think the hype level for a FF2 remake would be too low for Square to bother...
@@Altercate that's probably true lol
A FF 13 remake can add branching paths…..like anywhere. LOL. But it’d be nice to have actual control over party config and less samey sounding terminology
LOL yeah... I think there's a good game in there somewhere, but there's a lot of things I'd change about FFXIII if I had my way. I'll get to explore that in more detail when I eventually get around to doing my retrospective on the game 😅
@@Altercate I’m here for it
@@donstarlancer Thanks for the support! 😍
Love all the videos! Big fan of final fantasy I’d have to go with ff8 for me. I just have a hard time seeing a 2d game turned into 3d and holding the same impact.
Thanks! :D Yeah, a 3d remake of a 2d game definitely has a LOT of work to do to live up to expectations...
Was seriously worried you were gonna pick 8 there for a minute, lol. Bubsy 3D deserves a remake more than that dumpster fire does 🤣🤣🤣
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FF VIII was the one I swore I never need to play again, mainly bc of the confusing story an battle style. But that is also why I kinda would like a remake of it. To fix some things.
XIII is the only title that I would consider a bad game. A ground up remake might make it somewhat playable. They would need to scrape the story, characters, battle system, world, dialogue, and most everything else however.
Great video! I def agree either VI or VIII “will” be next. I would prefer X, but it still holds up well. Loving your videos!
Thank you for your kind words! I'm slowly working my way back through the series as I do my retrospectives, and FFX is one of the ones I'm looking forward to playing again the most! 😀
FF 1-6 are already pretty good. I feel like 8 and 13 had a lot of unachieved potential and would benefit from remakes that introduce more characters and structure. You mentioned 11 doesn't work well into the conversation but they could totally adapt key story moments and characters into a single player RPG.
Good points! I've never played Final Fantasy 11 but I feel similarly about Final Fantasy 14. I think FFXIV would make the best Final Fantasy story of all time as a single player RPG 😀
@@Altercate 14 is fantastic. My personal hope is that game gets some single player spinoffs
Great work
Thanks :)
FF6 please. That game would be huge if made in the scale they are attempting with 7.
Absolutely agree! 😀
2021 Altercate: Final Fantasy I is one of the least likely to get a remake next...
2022 Team Ninja: Hold my beer.
As someone who didn't like the combat in FF7R, I kind of hope they don't make any more remakes in that style. I just about had it by the time the motorcycle combat scene came up, and all the parrying and dodging. I just don't care about dark souls action gaming mechanics creeping into Final Fantasy. Completing alienating me. I think the pixel remasters are 1000000x better.
Thanks for sharing! I do wish Final Fantasy would go back to its roots with some cool new take on a turn-based combat system, but oh well! That said, I thought the motorcycle scenes from FF7R felt quite true to FF7OG 😀
@@Altercate The difference is that I died 4 times in a row instead of it being a passively amusing side-content that was meant to be easy in the original... ;(
@@Katie-hb8iq Ouch, yeah, that's rough! And good point. I had my ups and downs with FF7R's combat in general. Disliked some aspects, liked some others. In the end I had fun with it, but I totally get the people who were disappointed with the action oriented combat. Unfortunately for you, it looks like this is the direction we're headed with FF16...
Final Fantasy VI - win
Great video, although my rankings might differ slightly…, I agree with FF6
Thank you for your kind words! 😀
Which of the games would you most want to see remade besides FF6?
yeah but like sometimes you just wanna play some old school japanese D&D yo
VI. That's the only answer. Hell, VII only got a remake because of it becoming a huge commercial success and bringing the world of jrpgs to the masses, but it is a mess of a game with some dull characters. Granted, the remake makes VII a lot better than it used to be, it's still going to be interesting when they get around to having to face the over-complicated disaster of a plot moving forward.
10-15 came out on PS2 and onward so they should not even be considered for a remake. 1, 2 and 3... nah. The story is just too weak.
VIII is as controversial to many as Final Fantasy II or XIII. That's not a safe title. That leaves IV, V, VI and IX. V is the lesser known and appreciated so it gets looked over.
I can honestly see Square trying to shove another FF4 at us though because they're obsessed with it. Final Fantasy IV a great game too, and it deserves a massive round of applause for what it did on pushing the genre, but the story has a slew of issues itself. They'd have to make some fakeout deaths no longer fake for starters.
I cannot see any other game in the entire series coming close to being more deserving than FFVI. Square will go with IV though. If any.
What you said makes a lot of sense.
I've updated my thinking about this topic a bit since I made this video and I now personally think IV would make for a super strong remake with some adjustments (and embellishments) to the story, but I still think the game isn't popular enough these days to generate the required level of hype to sustain a remake...
I respectfully agree. Though, FF8 has more cinematic cut scenes, it's not as deep as FF6 in terms of story plot,character storylines, game play values. You all have to keep in mind that FF6 lacks cinematic cut scenes purely due to the limited game capability at the time...and Square was able to turned FF6 into a memorable G.O.A.T. thus, opening some westerners love for JRPG's.
I was in my Junior yrs in school during the time when FF6/FF7 came out. Before that, I didn't know anything about JRPG's or RPG's. After FF6/FF7 was released, that's when RPG's became a genre of the gaming industry.
5. Hard Stop
FF6 is the best and the SNES version is already god tier pixel art in 2D.
That is a factually true statement 😀
My favorite FF game is FFV and it really deserves a remake with a slight change of the story but what makes a FF is the story and the best FF story of all 6 FF 2D games FFVI is far better same goes to FFVII for the 3D games from PS1 for PS2 FFX takes the trophy for PS3 era there is only one option and is FFXIII but comparing between the 3 FF despite of being linear wich it really doesn't bother me is the first FFXIII. I would say FFXIV is better than FFXIII but since PS3 only got 1 expansion and is a ongoing story the Heavensward is better than FFXIII as a story told but is a unfinished story so on PS4 FFXIV is and will be far better than FFXV unless FFXVI nails it but I think it won't release on PS4 (not including the FFVII remake)
Thanks for sharing! I also love Final Fantasy V 😍
Final Fantasy 8
I'd love to see it! My personal favorite in the series 😀
@@Altercate I whole heartedly agree :D
Funny that you counted out the first one and that happened to be the next one being remade, but in a more "dark souls" fashion.
Haha yeah, I couldn't believe my eyes when that trailer dropped!
@@Altercate although it’s probably hardly recognizable as the same game. If it’s dark souls like I doubt you go into any towns at all. Probably just scale dungeons or towers of the 4 elements and that’s about it.
@@ShawnHellwege As I understand it, they've basically said it's not a remake but "thematically related" to FF1, and I kinda get the feeling that the whole game will just be the Temple of Chaos and that's it... Though I'd imagine you'd see the four fiends in there at least!
@@Altercate that would be incredibly disappointing but I wasn't really hyped for the game in the first place. Dark Souls isn't my kind of game. It's been 30 years since I played but I am pretty sure you fight all 4 elementals in the last mission. I remember because it had rewarding feeling of the earth boss nearly wiping you out when you first fight it to it being jokingly easy and killing it in just a few hits.
@@ShawnHellwege You remember correctly! The Temple of Chaos Revisited has all four fiends along the way to Chaos!
crazy how he just glosses over ff3 and ff4 already having remakes and are in fact the ones that started this whole ff being remade in the first place. I was really waiting for the ff5 remake at the time but mobile was on the rise and it got remade that way instead of a proper 3d version. same with 6. Then square went and put the remake for ff7 into development
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Thanks for the assist! :)
so there are 3 kinds of FF fan.
1. loves FF8 and dislikes FF9
2. loves FF9 and dislikes FF8
3. Loves all
LOL so true!
Parisite Eve is a best Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy VIIR
I never got around to playing Parasite Eve. Will definitely give it a try sometime!
@@Altercate The First PE is a MasterPiece. 2nd one is a REvil clone and the 3rd Birthday has the best gameplay. Use a guide for the final escape if you are going to play the 1st one (believe me you're gonna die without it)
@@MarcosBay_ Thanks, will check it out :)
6
8 should get an actual remake.
6, 9 then 4.
Whatever love 7 gets, 8 should get as well. They're too connected legacy wise to do a remake for one and not the other.
That's like doing something for Ryu but doing nothing for Ken.
Or doing something for Mario but nothing for Luigi.
FF8 has great music and style, features....If FF7 is Ryu. FF8.. it's more like a Dhalsim. Just bc many people bought it off FF7 hype and it was their second played RPG, doesn't make it iconic, to me. It's not great overall. But that's why it should be remade, imo. I heard we missed out on a chunk of Laguna's story due to time restraints or something.
Voice-actors for these games tend to sound too juvenile and they're likely to say it differently than how you or I would read it in a text box. Just read a text box.
Voice acting is make or break, for sure! That said, I think voice acting in video games has come a long way in the last 10-15 years. It used to be a total cringe fest every single time, and nowadays it's like 50/50 imo.
Basically you choose FFVIII as one of the best options because it's the worst FF since III and since then and it's only redeeming quality is liberi fatali and disc 1?
I think VI and IX would be amazing. That it would be too difficult is no excuse. Imagine having to rewrite the mess of FF VIII story to actually make sense.
Im late to the party but ff6 deserves the next remake
It'd be a dream come true to see it! 😀
If they are going to change the story every time like they did with 7, how about no more remakes. The last thing I want is for these new age devs going in thinking “ok they already played ff(whatever) let’s change the story and ruin everything.” No thanks.
Stay true to, and respect the source material or don’t bother.
literally any of them before 10
Ruled out FF1 right off the bat, then we get some bizarre dark fantasy quasi remake with dude bros yelling about Chaos roughly 73 times in the trailer.
I don't even understand this timeline anymore 🤣
@@Altercate I'm just impressed you put that out into the universe lol
12
Thanks for stopping by! What was your favorite part about FF12?
1. FF6 (Agreed)
2. FF8 Oh boy so many flaws lol should’ve been a home run smh 🤦🏽
3. FF10 Second most popular in the series, enough time has passed. My favorite
4. FF9 Could use a graphical update, the latter half of the party (Quina, freya, amarant, eiko) need more character development.
5. FF12 Get Rid of the mmo combat, choose a better protagonist like balthier lol
2 needs a remake. God I hate the leveling system in that game
For me it's should be FF6, this series is the best of all
I'd love to see it :)
only wan final fantasy 8 remake
I'd love to see that! FF8 is number one in my heart 😍
That one was my first one played and completed.
XII is unpopular with fans? Tf? I must live in a bubble then cuz XII tops everyone's lists
I think XII’s reputation has gotten rehabilitated over the years, but when it was new it was fairly controversial! FFX was the last game in the mainline series that received almost universal approval from the fans at the time. Or at least that’s how I remember it :D
FF6
"3 doesn't deserve a remake"
Um, it already had one.
It’s been a while since I made this vid but I think I said at the start that this discussion is about a modern triple A remake in the style of Final Fantasy 7 Remake! If I didn’t, then I should have lol
How about finish ff7 first? 😂
Final fantasy 1. It’s fertile ground. Final fantasy 7 was just a cash grab because it’s the highest selling Final Fantasy game and square has been chasing that western market and nostalgia.
Imagine a reimagined final fantasy 1 the same way breath of the wild harkened back to the first legend of Zelda.
Similar to old legend of Zelda. Final Fantasy 1 didn’t hold your hand and had a more open narrative structure that let you choose which order to complete some of the dungeons with a much greater emphasis on exploration than say Final Fantasy XIII.
And honestly what I want isn’t a greater emphasis on action oriented combat. I want a complex detailed world. I was honestly blown away by the likes of chrono trigger when I played them on emulaters. Modern Jrpg’s weren’t reaching that level of polish.
Star Ocean had a cool mechanic where there were branching narrative paths and characters depending on how you built you characters and which party members you already recruited.
I haven’t played every rpg so maybe I’m missing something. The thing that pulled me away from JRPG’s towards western wasn’t turn based vs action oriented game play. It was narrative structure. Western rpg’s had a greater emphasis on player choice. At it’s simplist it was are you good or evil with narrative support.
JRPG’s went deeper into making their game a movie and limiting the choices you make. The Bethesda or BioWare choice mechanic can fit into a turn based rpg. The JPG being hooked on a single protagonist is a noose.
Give me a Final Fantasy 1 in the style of Bethesda with a highly detailed storied world and a character creator and let me choose the outcomes of the areas I visit.
I'd definitely be interested in a reimagining of Final Fantasy 1 that stays true to the spirit of the original game. I've taken to thinking of modern JRPGs as "story games" more so than RPGs, because as much as I love them, there really isn't any roleplaying going on anymore. :) I talked about this in my FF3 retrospective, where I called the game the last true RPG in the Final Fantasy series.
I agree with your top 2 but for different reasons. Ff7 didn't need a remake, it was perfect the way it was. Ff9 is the second best game ever made and aside from long load times, mostly holds up. Ff6 and ff8 were most held back by technological limitations. The 8 channel sound chip of the snes really held back nobuo uematsu whereas the 24 channel psx chip really let him make real music not "game music". A modern remake would really let his brilliant soundtrack shine.
Ff8 was heavily held back by psx limitations. They tried to imitate resident evil 2 right down to mapping cancel to triangle and menu to circle. They could only render 6 characters at once and additional characters had to be prerendered. Check Cid in the briefing scene in the intro...it's hilarious. The world felt empty and barren whereas in ff7, they had a whole parade of Shinra soldiers. Ff8 was also rushed and had gaping plot issues like it was cut and cobbled together or needed to be told in multiple parts. The level scaling system was also janky resulting in the optimal way to play to just turn on no encounters. When you did fight, you only fought one or two enemies at a time...psx limitations with high poly models. Also, enemies were just damage sponges because of level scaling and junctioning death to status attack or using degenerator were the only solutions. However, the draw and magic system wasn't that bad. Drawing is an inefficient way to obtain spells compared to refining. Only noobs sat there drawing anything that wasn't meteor or full life. Also, any useful function of magic was available through blue magic or summoning so casting spells wasn't a very optimal way to play. Ff8 battle system was one of the best in series had it not been for the horrible level scaling...but that can be fixed in the remake.
Thanks for sharing! You raise some really interesting points about FF8 that I've never really considered. I would love to see them take another stab at the game with a remake! 😀 Btw, you mentioned that FF9 is the second best game ever made - what's your #1?
@@Altercate final fantasy 7 is the best game ever made imo. It blends the best of the old school with the new school. I love studying character Stat tables and damage calculation formulas. At the same time, the graphics pushed beyond the obvious tile based graphics of the snes. I feel like ff7 is presented in a modern enough way to still enjoy playing today but it has not let go of its more complex d&d roots.
Ughhhhhh
None of them need remakes. They're fine. Play em or don't. Quit acting like we gotta remake classic games.
You know what hasn't been updated? Pacman. Someone make a fancy new 3-D version of classic Pac-Man with voice acting and what not.
FF8 game play is awful. All these card games, broken upgrade system, "draw" requirement during battle, unplayable game without research and guide.
"FFIX is not one of my Favorites"
ME: WHAT????
"FFVIII is my favorite"
ME; That explains it all. I'm sorry, but if VIII, XII or XV are your favorite you ppl like other things but not FF. FFIX is according with the CREATOR, Sakaguchi, the Depiction of what a Final Fantasy should be, and it is the closest to a perfect FF Game as he imagined. So if the creator says IX is what he wanted for the franchise and you dont like it, you dont like Final Fantasy at all.
I mean, the game still is named Final Fantasy, and just because he says that, that doesnt have to be true for everyone
You should watch his video on FFII. There is no such thing on how a "Final Fantasy should be", it was recreating itself as soon as the second one was released.
Eww, FF8 the worst of the all...
In my opinion, Square HAVE to put a leash in Nomura (tabata is already out so fortunately nothiing like XV will come out). What i'd like to see for a new Remake is something that respect the original and doesn't try to make another game with a FF skin like that garbage FFVIIR. That shit is not FFVII, it's an awful game with cloud and tifa with an attempt to make the storry bigger but they just messed with it and padded tha game. Hope XVI do better. Square and Final Fantasy are very important to me but since XV i've lost confidence in the company.
I agree I actually want to see a remake of final fantasy VI
It would be ff8 for me. It has so many plot holes but nevertheless, the world setting and characters are probably my favorite in the series next to 7s.
I agree! It doesn't matter how many flaws and how much weird stuff FF8 has, it's still my favorite in the series. :)
Yeah, FF8 is a great concept and setting and art style. It just needed the clearer story and some character depth, and fun battle system.