REACTION: LEAFS FANS PANIC AFTER DUBAS LET GO
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2023
- BarDown's resident Leafs fan Corwin is joined by Luca to discuss Brendan Shanahan's press conference and the organization's decision to not bring back Kyle Dubas as their general manager. What does that mean for the team's future and what does it mean for their core four of Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander and John Tavares?
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What Dubas did, assuming Shanahan's chronology is accurate, is basically overplay your hand. He said in his presser his family had been through a lot (online harrassment of his grandmother, wife etc.) by despicable trolls who didn't like Dubas, so I have sympathy there, as did Shanahan. However, pondering out loud about whether you're unsure about the job, is not the way most people would have handled that, especially considering he hadn't allegedly given Shanahan a heads up he would say so in public. His foot dragging after Shanahan & his agent had arrived at a deal in principle, then proposing a counter-offer, obviously pissed off Shanahan to the point where he decided enough, time to move in a different direction. The whole affair in my view, was bungled by all the parties involved, ending up with Dubas, whom I've often defended, shooting himself in the foot, just like his team did vs Florida. What message does this send to Matthews, your star forward who MLSE said they definitely want to extend?
I agree with you whole heartedly Big Dave. MSLE is driving blind at full speed. I can absolutely understand players jumping ship before it goes off a cliff.
While I see your point, Dubas had that same conversation with Brendan Shanahan that he did in his presser, and he wasn’t offered any actual solutions. According to Shanahan, when talking to Kyle he essentially said “yeah this job is hard on everyone and their families. But it’s the job you chose.” But didn’t provide any actual tangible ways that he or the Maple Leafs organization would take steps to help him or his family in terms of mental or physical well-being. I think burnout is real. And being told by your boss to basically suck it up was probably not well received. We only have one side. But I think this was a really emotional decision from Shanahan and I don’t think it was the right one
Yeah, on top of what you've mentioned, I'd be pretty perplexed if I received the amended offer in the form of an email over a phone call or an in-person discussion.
Good riddance. Kyle couldn’t build a playoff team to save his soul. He had to have been an illiterate to think four finesse forwards, coupled with average defence and average goaltending were the template for success. History shows us otherwise.
a week ago ... Fire Duaybas !!
today... "what ? we love Dubas !"
Funny eh? Was gna say that exact same thing
It went from "Extend Dubas" to "Fire Dubas" to "Why'd you fire Dubas?" in the span of 2 weeks
With a new GM coming on the scene, the Leafs are likely embarking on yet another multi-year championship development program. ✔️
Good because this version of the Leafs is useless. Bring on the rebuild.
Maybe this time it'll work? The current one was an absolute disaster..
@@craigharrison5406 Exactly. The current version of the Leafs aren’t built for the playoffs, and haven’t been for Kyle’s five years of being GM. Four finesse forwards, coupled with average defence and average goaltending isn’t conducive with winning a Stanley Cup...history proves it.
Crazy how by Dubas starting all this it’s cost him his job and taken all the eyes off Keefe. Let’s remember he lost to a Zamboni driver, Columbus, Montreal, Tampa and now Florida. But hey that’s the learning curve right?
The fact that Dubas waited till his contract year to do anything worth wild and not even until the trade deadline. Last off season, he didn't bother looking for anymore defense or goalies and got stuck at the last minute which brought us the likes of Matt Murray. Keefe should've been gone long ago
The trades weren't bad.
The signings were though.
The money they put up handicapped them in every area and aspect.
You literally can't fill out a 22+ person roster when half of your cap goes to 4 guys.
It's just not feasible.
You'd be saying something completely different had the won, even once. He expected them to be alot better than they have been. If the money wasn't offered they may have gone elsewhere and they may have never made the playoffs.
@@jeffreycairns767 I wouldn't though.
That's the thing.
They've NEVER been close.
This is a franchise that has never even made the Finals during the expansion era.
If this was the NFL, they'd be the Cleveland Browns.
But they spend Yankees / Cowboys levels of money on their top guys and with zero to show for it.
5 of 16 wins isn't excusable.
Like, we can talk about this all we want, but look at Vegas. 95% of their players wouldn't make the Leafs top line. But they've made 4 Conference Finals in 6 years of existing.
The Leafs aren't a basketball team where those top players play 80% of a game. But they sure are hell pay those players like they do 🤷
That, and they pay a guy like Matt Murray THAT much money, but don't give a shit to start him.
@@nolankuffner3573 you're literally not giving Vegas enough credit. They've been to a cup final more recently than most of the league has in their histories
Yeah, that's what happened to the blackhawks. After winning the cups we started to lose guys to FA and better deals. We couldn't afford to keep our role players. Seabrook, Keith, Kane and Toews locked up so much money just like Toronto's core 4. However our problems came after we had some cups to show for.
@@nolankuffner3573 thinking being a top regular season team that gets eliminated first round is Cleveland browns shows how delusional & not smart leaf’s fans are.
This is not really about the content, but I liked watching Luca during the video. Seems like a good listener
Please just hire a GM that doesn't give players blank cheques, a little hard ball needs to be played, if we keep most of or all the core intact, you can't let them get raises equal to the salary cap going up or we'll be stuck with the same damn team and bottom lines being pieced together with tape and bubblegum.
Are you joking?That would Hurt the Feelings of the country club members.
@@wst8340 Somebody give me faith 😫😭
Matthews should take a pay cut or be traded; he's got a bad wrist. Nylander should be traded too; they're not players with the grit needed in the playoffs. Leafs need a top goalie and a top defenseman, not these prima donnas.
I’m actually fine with it.. last thing we needed was all of the core four being extended on 13 million/year contracts 😂
Always happy to hear the Leafs having hard times!
Much love from Winnipeg!
Kyle Dubas built this? He took over a 105 point team with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Reilly and Kadri. 😂
Dubas took a terrible Matt Murray contract from Ottawa motivated by old Sudbury vibes. Although Talbot didn't work out as replacement for the Senators, Ottawa fans are still thankful to Dubas.
I’m thankful that Ottawa took Murray away from Pittsburgh
Lot of people on YT keep defending Dubas for 'regular season and fancy stats'. But let's be honest what counts is wins and they have nothing to show for it. Nothing. And year after year only excuses and no change. Heres hoping it's different this off season.
will he be brought back for the first round banner hanging in the fall ?
@@pjpredhomme7699 maybe dubas will get a ring (pop) that night too while standing under the banner
@@ronburgundyspetfish9039 statue
@@donniedoesdishes just give him the arena at this point lol
@@rightwingcollectiveiq Let's see now;
2018: 3/16 wins as an understudy (maybe he should of taken better notes?)
2019: 3/16 wins
2020: missed playoffs entirely because of whacky Coof play-in tournament
2021: 3/16 wins in a playoff bracket that literally handed them a CF birth on a silver platter
2022: 3/16 wins
2023: 5/16 wins after being gift-wrapped a round 1 win because Tampa was injured to hell and back & completely exhausted from 3 strait SCF appearances! (2 of which ended in hoisting Lord Stanley)
At least Ferguson Jr took the Laffs to a CF that one year.
So, being better than Nonis who is arguably not the single worst GM in Leafs history only because Ballard existed, isn't much of an accomplishment to brag about.
Corwin & Leafs fans wanting to keep this team intact as a Sens fan is amazing but objectively is insane.
Definitely not panicked. Excited for change.
Why is shanahan not gone as well dubas was his man?
One thing most ppl seem to forget. Dubas was GIFTED Mathews, Marner and Nylander. How can you NOT build a good team with those 3 ?
I'm an Oiler, look at how badly we've done over the 8 years we've had McDavid. It can happen.
@@gordonlynch3217 oh I know and fully understand 😂. I have been a ' rink rat ' since 1980. I was at every leaf homegame from 1980-1982. Oh I know...😂😂
@@gordonlynch3217 The Oil will have their day soon. Their management group will get better. Just some bad bets. Lord Stanley will come back to the patch.😎
You can't if you're Dubas, and he should have been fired after the Montreal fiasco.
The only good thing that comes out of Kyle leaving is Sheldon is going right behind him. Holy sh%t we got out coached in BOTH series... it was hard to watch.
Marc bergevin would be funny and scary. the chaos!
dust off Grapes.
Dig up Johnny Bower
As an outside fan it’s crazy to me to see a GM leaving like that. As a blues fan we’ve had Armstrong for a little over 10 years as a GM. Coaches come and go and see that as normal but not really with GMs
You don't have a piece of sh%t president like we do.. who we can't get rid of because MLSE likes to throw leadership ridiculous contracts for underachieving.
Dubas thought he was hot shit managing one of the biggest franchises in pro sports
I wouldn't hire Treliving - but for the sake of accuracy - that trade -was not really the same thing - it was a trade made with a gun to his head - Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary - he had to move him = he did the best he could from there .
I agree he did what he could.
I wanted Dubas gone for his choices with the Leafs, i had no issue with his press conference.
It showed he cared more than his team did.
Shanahan needs to gl
So...if it was a 'successful' season for making it out of the first round, then why are people getting fired...?
The biggest issue from the start was signing Tavares for $11mil times 7yrs when they already had Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. Now you're forced to dig in the bargain bin to fill your other needs. JT was definitely someone they should never have signed...
The sooner someone had thought the signing was bad is a good barometer of their hockey acumen. I remember all the Leaf shills were giddy when he signed and thought that made them Stanley Cup favorites - and I'm thinking "what am I missing here?"
hearing the leafs fans trade proposals are why people hate leafs fans
It’s not dubas’ fault the core 4 were invisible all post season. Shanny and Keene should have been the ones to go, dubas put them in a position to win
It is his fault he made b.s family excuses in a press conference than tried to demand more money.
They weren’t invisible all post season, stop exaggerating
Its actually the GMs job to put the team together. That means Dubas made the decisions on the contracts he gave which includes the core. So it is Dubas's fault. He gambled and he lost. Shanny should also go. He offered Dubas the job..and they both made the Shannaplan. It failed as well.
He had 5 years to get a solid goalie. Goalies are huge for deep playoff runs.
@@Dracox78000 Im banking on Woll. He's positionally sound. I hope he gets comfortable in net
Doesnt make sense that they let the youngest GM have the keys to the franchise.
The earn-as-you-learn gig was great for Dubas, not so great for the Leafs.
Naww nobody is panicking i welcome the new voice.
Dubas thought he was negotiating with himself.
TSN please give bardown their own channel. A lot of us only watch Bardown and y’all post so much on the channel it blows up phones and sub pages
I don't know what the heck these guys are talkin about...Dubas is the whole reason this team is in the position they are in...He paid 4 guys all the money...Had no more money left to fill the roster with quality role players...So he filled the rest of the roster with waiver wire league minimum bubble NHL players and backup goalies as starters...This team would not be like this had they not let Lou Lamoriello go instead of Dubas...Lou would have never negotiated those ridiculous contracts to 3 unproven players (Nylander...Matthew's and Marner) The agent's for those 3 guys sold out the team for profit and those 3 players were complicit...I'm glad he got fired...Dubas put together a team that has no grit at all...at a time when it is still relevant to have grit...A team as wimpy as the Florida Panthers were manhandling the Leafs...So now that they're up against the cap with the cupboards bare...They have no money...Somebody's got to go...Scooby-Dubas really screwed things up...This is gonna be a long and painful road (unfortunately)
Dubas is a bum; it's a relief that he's gone. Next is Shanahan.
haven't listened to all of this yet but I'm not sure if you recorded this before the spezza news came out - I think letting him go is not necessarily a bad idea but it sounds like it was done in a way that made almost everyone beneath dubas upset, and THAT is a bad idea. because if they blow up the whole front office they're in so much trouble.
edit: lol got to the very end, you and me both!
Who cares if they are upset. They can stfu and do their jobs if they want to get paid. Shanahan should have been the one fired though.
They are in so much trouble of maybe winning six games in the playoffs.
@@Gl-my8fw when people are upset with their jobs they often leave. it's hard on any business to lose a lot of staff at once, even if it's staff that isn't performing brilliantly. the leafs may have to hire a bunch of people quite quickly and people cost more when they know you're desperate.
@@nollidgestm1238 no team wants to go into free agency and the draft without a bunch of their established front office people and with a new GM who has no relationship with several players they have to re-sign or trade quickly. maybe they will hire people who will create a team that does better in the playoffs than they have so far, but they'll be going in to a very complicated situation without much time to prepare. in what world would that be a good thing for the leafs, especially in the short term?
@@Gl-my8fw Keefe should've been first to go.
The way Dubas overplayed his OWN contract negotiation, gives great insight into how he got so easily played by the core 4- amateur hour. Changing over 33% of your team on deadline day was another panicky amateur move. Publicly saying you're not sure if you want to be here- amateur move. Not a fan of Shanny, but his instincts are dead on with this move.
The problem with Dubas is he over paid his top 4 guys and had nothing much left to pay anyone else.
Dubas FIRED is Good He did some good things in Toronto , HOWEVER He Made Mistakes Also. Best of Luck Dubas.
It's all the players fault. Do better on the ice no one is let go or traded. Pretty simple
Not this Leafs fan. I'm rejoicing after the Dubas firing. I just wish it had come a few years earlier. I'm sick of the same rinse, repeat strategy Leafs management has been using the last few years. Keefe and Shanahan can go too, good riddance.
You got that right.
man , it really feels like the jenga blocks are falling down. leafs/fans have been through enough , guess we will see where this thing goes..
Both Marner’s and Dubas’s recent TV interviews reflected their limitations for Leaf success - and probably explained why Leafs Playoffs have not went well. Time to move on from the past 9 years of Leaf ways.
Dubas getting let go was a highly expected event, that many were clamouring for lol
Maybe Dubas knew Matthews wasn’t resigning
Keefe should be gone before Dubas. Got out coached every series he's been there. Going to be an interesting summer.
Title says leafs fans, fans plural, Luca is a leafs fan confirmed
It's their reaction to Leafs fans, not necessarily fans themselves.
Hi bardown team you guys should do a video of you trying ringette
The fact that Luca was able to remain objective in this discussion despite rightfully being a Maple Laffs hater is why he works for a major media organization and I don’t. I wouldn’t be able to resist clowning on the Leafs.
He's not saying it was about money. He said clearly that there was a shift in thinking after Dubas press conference. How do you re-up a guy that is questioning openly he's unsure if he wants to be there? You can't. I think the contract demand after was the icing on the cake.
Dubas's side = I just want Shanny to leave my wife alone !!!😂😂
Corwin has to have the blinders on if he's liking the "value in free agent signings"
Man I really liked most of the things Dubas was doing and I am worried about how the rest of the staff will react. I liked that Spezza was still part of the organization and it sucks that he's gone now. I just hope that whoever they bring in does a good job and doesn't entirely blow it all up.
what did dubas do? brought in old washed up players, oldest dcore in the nhl and the slowest
You have to be new to hockey. Nothing Kyle did was towards building a playoff team. Average defence and average goaltending aren’t the template for success. Especially when it’s coupled with four finesse forwards that lack physicality.
@@automatoncollectives7237 You got that right, dude. The team that Dubas built was composed of wimps.
@@automatoncollectives7237Sounds like Edmonton's template the last few seasons... 🤔🫣
Anybody else not get updates to the podcast feed on PocketCast?
Dubas is everything wrong with analytics. It’s a useful tool, not Moses coming down from the mountaintop
So Luca is a Leafs fan now?
Sure 🙄🙄
love this podcast
The moment we shot ourselves in the foot was when we signed John for 11 trillion. Auston should have had the C right off the bat. Huge blunder in 2018.
Leafs fans were happy we didn't panic ... wrong title of this video
The culture in the leafs organization has to change from the top down. If it doesn't this 50+ years of a dry spell will continue unabated.
this is kinda what happens when you dont win the important games, but i dont think its all on dubas, shannahan and keefe were part of this too
FIRE THEM ALL.
Smart money is on George McPhee, older but respected GM who built the Capitals and stepped aside in Vegas to keep McCrimmon in the org. Also being on the older side, gives you the ability to put his successor in place and patiently wait for his turn.
Dubas didn’t have the hockey experience. Shannahan gave a young kid the biggest team to learn the job. He learned a lot , but he needed to go
It was earn-as-you-learn bullshit. FIRE SHANAHAN. Or we'll have more of the same.
Really hope it's possible for a bardown UA-cam channel
Look guys we WANTED to pay you more but Kyles gone now. Sign with a discount or your traded.
17:38 “I’ll look back and say Kyle built this” Why? Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly were all here before he was GM. What exactly did he build?
Dubas was a good Season gm.....and a Trash playoff GM....that said why is to much change wrong???
Dubas f@%ked up! Why would Toronto pay him more for the record he has achieved in his time as GM? Definitely the right move to let him go.
I don’t think it was a great look for him to argue with the fans the way he did during the playoffs, either. Must not have bolstered more confidence from Brendan.
Dubas' career as GM consisted of 16 wins. Plan the parade
Dubas inhiereted a pretty good team from Lou, don't forget!
dubas is probably a very smart gm, and another team will benefit from him walking into a great situation BUT..... to ghost your boss, respond, then ghost your boss again, THEN ask for a fucking pay raise? was this guy makin $15/hour????? he has one of the top 5 on paper teams in the league, he should be lock jawed bent over, begging to stay. shany, much like yzerman, dont wan't to mess around. There's plenty of people who can run a team and that's the route they'll go.
“Dubas is a leaf legend” embarrassing take Corwin come on
Please do another franchise mode
Greatest decision ever!
FIRED FIRED FIRED
FIRED FIRED FIRED
Any leafs fan who wants Dale Tallon as GM. Be prepared for him to sign guys in the last year of their contracts playing like playoff warriors to 7x7 contracts and taking up all your cap space
I love the Leafs, but a lot of fans treat every significant decision like this as if there was no backup plan. Fans shouldn't over-analyse anything regarding GMs or Coaches because I assure you the Leafs ownership/Shanahan prepared for a potential worst case endgame like this a year ago.
@@ronmurray7349 not really sure what your looking for regarding a response. Leafs could use a pair of new eyes on the team, and I'm sure Shanahan had that in the back of his mind if a Dubas extension didn't happen.
Why on earth did he trade his 3rd line that began to mesh is with Engvall which would have got them a 3rd round.
Random question to the dude thats friends with Jesse the Winnipeg dusters fan. Where did you get your TML corduroy cap? Its not often that TML hats actually look good. 😂 send the link! Haha 🔵⚪️ @tsn
I think Pittsburgh reached out 😊and I hope he comes to pitt. He did some really good trades and maintained a decent team. Add that with sully as coach we are contenders again
Good trades? LOL.
SHANNY AND KEEFE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOWN THE DOOR. EVEN IF YOU HATED WHAT DUBAS DID WITH HIS JOB SHANNY HIRED HIM.
Peter charelli coming to Toronto ?
Grown men talking like teenagers
No he got fired
THEY FORGOT TO CENSOR OH MY GOD HOLY SHIT I AM SO OFFENDED
Lol
The best GM the Sabres have had in a long time was just some guy in the organization. Kevyn Addams wasn’t an AGM before becoming GM. literally the first time I heard his name as a life long Sabres fan was the day he was hired as GM.
Gilmour
Shanahan is great at deflecting attention from himself.
Don’t try to cook if you have no idea what the recipe is. Toronto thinks they have the recipe to filet mignon but goes out and get ground beef. And leafs fan boasting to rest of NHL about how they’re eating filet mignon while holding up a beef patty straight out of Burger King.
Leaf fans are clueless... maybr watch some pkayoff hockey
Dont understand that all young medias are for dubas...
Dumbed-down
It was the right move to much finesse and not enough Moxy
He wasn’t great, he had ton of mistakes. Some even say Tavares.. team he inherited was making the playoffs. Lots of smart people out there. Let move on
The core 4 doesn’t play playoff style hockey. And way overpaid. Dubas signed players like a kid would at first. This was his only good year of a GM
For the love for all that's nice: What has Dubas achieved for us to be talking about him at all? Is it just because it's Toronto - the biggest hockey town there is?
The answer is YES.
What about hunter
Panic about what? That we might lose in the first round again?
There’s only 5 weeks to trade Marner and Mathews :3
Marner is a keeper, a top playmaker, and he can score goals; Nylander is good trade material, and Matthews really should be traded, especially with his bad wrist, a recurring injury in the future. Dubas is an incompetent bum, who destroyed the Leafs in terms of the playoffs, with his team of wimps.
and as always ...
S*CK IT CORWIN!!!
To STL: RW Marner + D Liljegren
To TOR: C Schenn + D Parayko + W S. Roberttsson
Marner is one of the top players in the league; trading him would be a big mistake. Injury-prone Matthews and Nylander, both wimps, should be traded.
@@melvynobrien6193 Guy has 1 career goal after a Game 2 in a 7 game Series in his entire career. He's not gonna get you to a Cup, not unless he's playing a middle 6 role at a middle 6 salary. But as you're #2 guy pushing 13.5% of you total salary cap allotment? Not gonna happen. He's not him.
... not this Leafs fan.
No oppression depression panic anxiety here but only great celebration!
LOL great entertainment!
You look like a cross breed of Michael Bunting and Jay Barauchelle 😂
Not. Good look 😅
Does Matthews do something to try to help/save the yotes?
Doubtful