How Magnus DESTROYS Pins
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🎙I apologize for the poor audio quality! I'll be working on fixing this ASAP!
It sounds like you're yelling. Not doing that might help.
Its alright you already analyzed thousands of his games what more could we want
@@sammarks9146 He's not yelling, it sounds like clipping or compression
My biggest problem with UA-cam videos is NOT being able to hear. This one, I had to turn the volume away down. No problem with sound quality. I could hear you perfectly.
Ok
Next: How Magnus responds to checkmate
Keaya ? What are you doing here ?
The tho
"Nice try"
He sue you for cheating and u get ban from torney
Shakes hand and moves on in life
I now see the difference between Magnus and me. That is, sometimes I ignore the pin as well, but Magnus doesn't lose the queen in the process.
😂
😂😂 that was good
@@ChessVibesOfficial u ever wanted to ask Magnus why do u ignore it alot and why did he want to do chess in the first place?
Actually you got to be sure that your counter attack goes somewhere to allow doubled pawns. Not surprising it is more common at higher elo
@@lucasbortoluzzi9369 That's insightful
The way I see it, Magnus does not ignore the threat 55% of the times, he just delays his counter by a few moves.
The way I see it is that he values a tempo higher than not having doubled pawns
Eventually you will respond to it wether you want to or not
in a game where each move should be treated like gold. I think it's fair to class a delay for a few moves as an ignore
@@jackgallagher4146 Nice perspective
He creates a bigger threat for his opponent that the original opponent's pin.
I think it's tempting to focus on the 55%... but it's also important to note that almost half the time Magnus does react. You have to have the right positioning to ignore the pin. And Magnus is probably much better than most at being in the position to take advantage of ignoring it
That is a terrific (and admittedly easily overlooked perspective). I think @chessvibesofficial did a phenomenal job on the analysis, but when we consider 55% ignores/45% reacts, it does make it seem a little less insightful perhaps?
I am a huge proponent of ignoring pins. I think psychologically it takes a little wind out of your opponent’s sails, but you do have to keep an eye on it and be sure to have a development plan.
A mindset I developped by playing shogi is "if I can't react in a way I'm ok with, I have to attack where it hurts" and it's actually the concept here, focusing on influence and aggro when under pressure.
that mindset is definitely applicable in chess too
Sun Tzu the Art Of War
Timestamps:
1:25-2:29 Moved Queen
2:35-4:00 Defended with Knight
4:06-5:15 Defended with Queen
5:40-6:44 Blocked with Bishop
6:50-9:12 Attacked with Flank Pawn
9:30-12:43 Ignored
12:43-13:22 Summary
thanks :)
You’re a chad
Thanks
Thanks
a little late but thx mate
Damn Nelson thank you for working so hard on one topic for us which occurs a lot in our regular games
i like that idea that you treat a known opponents next move you can't effectively respond to as you have 2 times per turn
“It isn’t a checkmate, it’s just a king sacrifice.”
3:29
By moving his Queen there he also pins the knight to the white king, which was previously defending e4
I appreciate the effort that went into video. Very interesting. Cheers
I too
Amazing how I play like magnus 55 %of the time yet lose 95% of the time.
Thank you for taking the time to post and analyze this! The bishop pin to the knight is the most common early opening... Almost every game I play my opponent does this, and it's my least favorite move. It's more annoying than anything, and I always find a way to un-pin as soon as possible, and then punish them for daring to threaten my king or queen.
My favourite opening with white is the Blackmar-Deimer Gambit.
With black, it's the Dutch Defense.
Isn't the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit black's opening?
@@danielyuan9862 It's a gambit for white, and the beauty of it is that it can transpose into other openings like the French or Caro-Kann if black doesn't want to accept the gambit.
Wth is blackmar-deimer gambit
All I know is queen pawn/king pawn
Either you're a tactical/combinatorial genius, or you lose a lot of games :)
@@DieFlabbergast It's a bit of both lol
GREAT video! This is becoming one of my favorite chess channels. People talk about chess style all the time with GMs; that's easy enough to see in a broad sense, but the specifics are not. This kind of statistical breakdown over commonly occuring positions (here, a pinned queen) gives real, teaching insight beyond just characterizing style of play in a word. I wish you success to keep making these specific types of videos. This seems like a ton of work, and it's very instructive. Gonna share this with some friends now. Making a contribution to your channel atm is just too hard for me to do (hopefully soon, I'd love to support this channel) , so sharing is the least -- or most? -- I could do. Either way, thanks again for this great video!
You say he "ignores" it but he eventually Castles out of it, that's why his next two moves after the pin was to make room for the king to castle ASAP
can we just appreciate the fact that he had to find 100 games that Magnus was pinned ⁉️
Thank You, Nelson! Very enlightening, I will be using these examples tomorrow at my Chess Club. Also, wanting you to know that there are so many examples of such diligent work on your part in the sharing of many such excellent examoles. Your Ch. is always greatly appreciated. Have a Grand Day!! ..... Mike.
I love how your videos are straight to the point and you explain clearly.. most chess channels want to give too much of their input, confuse you with a lot of moves the best players dont even do for a reason, and never get to the point! Great content brother
Excellent focus on the subject about "pin" on the knight! Thank you for your effort in presenting this subject . More success to your endeavors sir!
You must have put in many hours in analyzing all those situations, thank you so much for yet another amazing video!
Very interesting bit of information. Thank you for putting this all together.
3:24 me when I'm trying to form a damn simple phrase in English 😂
Such a useful video, great work on the research, this channel is golden
This channel has to be amongst the top 3 channels on youtube when it comes to learning Chess! Love your work mate..
Excellent video!
Thank you so much for putting the time to analyze all of these games, NM Nelson!
you really do your research. kudos and love your channel, man! can you maybe also share a vid on openings beyond e4e5?
So he seems to look for ways to have his defense serve his own attack and otherwise just lets the opponent capture. That's a great lesson!
Magnus' reaction to that pin:
thanks for putting in the work on this video. I used to always either immediately break the pin or threaten the bishop. Now I try other things first
This was great, please do more of these!
I think in the case of a queen pin, you can flank pawn attack because queen just recaptures and pawn structure isn't damaged. It also prepares the escape square for a kingside castle. Additionally, in a king pin, I think its best to move the bishop as it defends the knight and develops a piece. Despite Magnus ignoring over half of the time, my observations are probably better for lower rated players because we may not know how to take advantage of the position and just being a pawn or other down. I'd like some feedback to know if my analysis was good as a low rated player.
Edit: Considering the counter attack option, it does seem good but again, its a lot easier for a low rated player to not know how to counterattack correctly and defending may seem like the more solid option.
Someone else commented about whether the numbers change for pins on the king as opposed to pins on the queen.
@@christopherheckman7957 didn't see it
Did you do the data yourself or do you have a team? These are impressive findings
its 100 games
@@peeepeeepooopooo A hundred that had to first be found and selected out of several thousand, where such pins occurred.
@@Danso_3000 you can just keep going down the top games list and see if any of them have pins its max gonna take like 2 hours max, and he didnt actually look at thousands of games lmao
@@Datscrazi231 He could narrow things down by searching the text (as one big PGN file) for "Bb5", "Bb4", "Bg5" and "Bg4". This wouldn't give you The List, but you can search the text for "Nc6" (if Bb5 has shown up), "Nc3", etc.
Of course that STILL isn't the complete process, but you've likely filtered out a lot of games that don't involve pinning.
(Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is how Nelson did it, just how you *can* use a computer search to get rid of games where obviously there was no pin.)
Him and his dog maybe
Hey Nelson, I have a challenge for you
Play a match against Martin, but "without" your Queen, and both of your Rooks. You are allowed to promote your Pawn to a Rook, but not to a Queen.
Good luck!
Amazing way to explain, so complete and really full of examples and information, thank you!
Wow, really informative. Thanks for all the work you put into gathering this knowledge for everyone!
Great extensive analysis. Cracked me up when Nelson failed to say "easily"
Nice work finding and summarizing all these games, thanks! Since all these pins happen in different scenarios, and not all of them threathen doubling the pawns, it would be nice to see how he responds to the actual threat of doubling a pawn.
2% of the time he moved his queen. 1:24
3% of the time he defended with the knight. 2:34
4% of the time he defended with the queen. 4:05
13% of the time he blocked with the bishop. 5:38
23% of the time he attacked with the flank pawn. 6:49
55% of the time he ignored the pin and continued developing. 9:26
I like these analysis videos. You might even consider using all grandmaster-level games as an initial starting point, although the dataset would be much larger.
Next suggestion: how Nelson responds to hate comments
Edited: I don't know how serious Nelson analyze this. This dedication is so underrated
I really like your videos, not only are they entertaining but I learn something with every video, thanks.
I'm absolutely brand new to chess, so this is probably an example of what I should not be watching at this moment, but brilliant food for thought, so many options scenario dependent.
Thank you for taking the time!
Your efforts must be appreciated. It is not easy to find 100 good games and analyze them. The video is very helpful and it vanished one of my difficulties
This is a great video. This video will surely improve my future chess gameplay and skills. Thank you very much.
You should have made two seperate charts for knight pinning to king and knight pinning to queen and other things as there he can move the knight too
Good point.
The orange segment there I think only makes good sense if it's a Queen that's pinned which probably happens on average 50% of pins. Otherwise, you're going to double up your pawns.
I think if you had separate charts, the queen pin one could double the orange segment and probably be the most popular option and in the king pin one, that option might go to 0% and be the lowest choice.
Great info. Thanks for putting in the work.
In example one, moving the queen, it would have been nice to see the next move by Magnus. I'd imagine he defended against the knight but still seeing his next move and (depending on your expertise, 1st time viewer) if he wanted the knight to come in or if he should have just moved the queen to defend against the knight initially.
Love the content idea.
Edit: just saw you're titled so your expertise is obviously valued.
Nice deep dive into studying Magnus' games. Thanks for sharing.
This is a very good idea from you. You can make othet analysises of magnus responses to certain positions/openings/inputs
One could argue that moving the bishop in the first example is not ignoring it, but is preparing to castle so the knight is no longer pinned.
Great info, thanks
When you say he ignores it, it looks like this only happens in specific scenarios: i.e. he sees an easy oportunity to move the piece behind the knight outmof the way in a way that helps him more
That was so interesting. keep doing great work man.👍
Aren't you assuming that the move immediately following a pin is always in response to the pin which I would think is not necessarily true. The move could be motivated by another factor entirely! 😁 love the channel by the way.
I think that's kind of implied when you are "looking for the reaction."
You could make a case when the next move is a check or something else that has a higher priority for the opponent than BxN (such as an attack on the queen).
brilliant!! that is true chess analysis. I wish I could see more like this one!
Super helpful! Thank you for this vid!
Note the “ignore” play happens in Q gambit w the pawn gone so no double pawn in recapture. Major factor.
Thanks for the analysis. You must have put a lot of effort in. You definitely got some useful results.
Nelson, you're a real one! Keep up the good work.
I almost always immediately kick with the A/H pawn. I’m going to mess around with not responding immediately to it and see how that feels.
Cut to Hikaru gratefully watching this in his hotel room the night before his next match with Magnus.
Fantastic video btw!
Haha I don't think my research is THAT good!
TY for the video. Bobby fischer had the same mindset, that the best defense is a good offense.
I really love your sense of humor. And everything else!
I’d say castling address the pin on the king there, rather than completely ignoring it.
Respond in this context is the *next* move
crazy video, huge props! you did a really good job there!
Thanks for another excellent video Nelson I have learnt alot from you!
Very interesting study! Thanks
How do you find the time? I am learning so much and truly am gratified with your expeertise.
Very good Nelson. Thank you for the effort.
thank you nelson now i wont fail to win in a boxing game as i now know dogs bark
Appreciate the time and effort you put into this video!! Thank you very much!!!!
Great analysis. Thanks 🙏
Incredible job for us, Nelson 👍 Thx a lot 💖
Actually at 3:30 and moments leading to it, it's just the cambridge springs defense and all theory.
There's Magnus ignoring the pin and winning and then there's me ignoring the pin and getting smothered or ending up in a fork
Thanks for sharing the hard works man. Much appreciated..and God bless
you have really put work in this video and its cool
One of your best videos. Makes me wonder how other players handle the same thing
Appreciate the effort that went into this! I dont think ignores is the right word, I think its more like counter-attacks?
I love this video. This was a lot of effort.
7:44 thats a solid opening, the anderssen
Thanksgiving for putting this beneficial analysis together
VERY insightful. Thanks!
These type videos are amazing content
I think the reason that he ignores for more than half of the cases is that, the king and queen will be moved away a few moves later even without the pin, so it's really not worth to waste a tempo to deal with the pin, unless the opponent has a good follow up to exploit the pin
Great analysis! I appreciate it very much.
I think it's because he values development over attack or counter attack. Keeping his options open do he can focus on winning the game instead of getting dragged into a minor scuffle
Sometimes i realize a pin too late, and in those situations just trade or attack on the other side of the board. Basically trying to make a mess with the board. It works out sometimes
dude, i want you to make a video on literally everything. I heart data
This is Chessvibes is one of the best chess channels. The content is original and instructive
"You can do it Nelson" 🤣🤣🤣
Nice work nelson!
Wow, I actually thought that there was going to be something like 80 % of king up for a late bongcloud 💀💀💀
Great video, thanks Nelson.
What a hard working man lol. I always wondered what the best move was against a king sided knight fork. I hated having that doublepawn and when you start with something like the italian game i dont want to move the bishop back
Thank you. So informative 🎉
Magnus truly embodies the saying "The best defense is a good offense"
thank you well appreciated! this is so good for my play.
Nice video and funny bit with "easier/easily". It happens 😄
Can you do about queen and king fork, queen secured, or queen pin
I think it would have been nice, if you had included some examples of the flank pawn attack with a pin on the king. Usually the pawn structure feels very awkward if the opponents decides to capture (especially early on in the game). And: Are there any differences in percentage when it comes to "attack with flank pawn" on King vs Queen pin?
That was what I was going to say. 8-) With a pin on the king, you obviously can't move the knight, and you probably wouldn't with the queen, but there might be a combination where you checkmate or win more than a queen.