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  • @ChessVibesOfficial
    @ChessVibesOfficial  Рік тому +481

    🎙I apologize for the poor audio quality! I'll be working on fixing this ASAP!

    • @sammarks9146
      @sammarks9146 Рік тому +15

      It sounds like you're yelling. Not doing that might help.

    • @soulgamer9108
      @soulgamer9108 Рік тому +21

      Its alright you already analyzed thousands of his games what more could we want

    • @presterjack9764
      @presterjack9764 Рік тому +9

      @@sammarks9146 He's not yelling, it sounds like clipping or compression

    • @robertstewart239
      @robertstewart239 Рік тому +8

      My biggest problem with UA-cam videos is NOT being able to hear. This one, I had to turn the volume away down. No problem with sound quality. I could hear you perfectly.

    • @spidysfunvideos4718
      @spidysfunvideos4718 Рік тому

      Ok

  • @pho3n1x51
    @pho3n1x51 Рік тому +4582

    Next: How Magnus responds to checkmate

  • @ArutaretiI
    @ArutaretiI Рік тому +1161

    I now see the difference between Magnus and me. That is, sometimes I ignore the pin as well, but Magnus doesn't lose the queen in the process.

    • @ChessVibesOfficial
      @ChessVibesOfficial  Рік тому +124

      😂

    • @raularnela3654
      @raularnela3654 Рік тому +31

      😂😂 that was good

    • @LordVoid666
      @LordVoid666 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ChessVibesOfficial u ever wanted to ask Magnus why do u ignore it alot and why did he want to do chess in the first place?

    • @lucasbortoluzzi9369
      @lucasbortoluzzi9369 Рік тому +1

      Actually you got to be sure that your counter attack goes somewhere to allow doubled pawns. Not surprising it is more common at higher elo

    • @tylerharrington4515
      @tylerharrington4515 11 місяців тому

      @@lucasbortoluzzi9369 That's insightful

  • @LPChip
    @LPChip Рік тому +673

    The way I see it, Magnus does not ignore the threat 55% of the times, he just delays his counter by a few moves.

    • @jaym6945
      @jaym6945 Рік тому +119

      The way I see it is that he values a tempo higher than not having doubled pawns

    • @emilianozamora399
      @emilianozamora399 Рік тому +15

      Eventually you will respond to it wether you want to or not

    • @jackgallagher4146
      @jackgallagher4146 Рік тому +50

      in a game where each move should be treated like gold. I think it's fair to class a delay for a few moves as an ignore

    • @thomaschesscafe
      @thomaschesscafe Рік тому +4

      @@jackgallagher4146 Nice perspective

    • @johnowens22
      @johnowens22 Рік тому +5

      He creates a bigger threat for his opponent that the original opponent's pin.

  • @mikelucarelli9782
    @mikelucarelli9782 Рік тому +90

    I think it's tempting to focus on the 55%... but it's also important to note that almost half the time Magnus does react. You have to have the right positioning to ignore the pin. And Magnus is probably much better than most at being in the position to take advantage of ignoring it

    • @macronerd
      @macronerd 8 місяців тому +7

      That is a terrific (and admittedly easily overlooked perspective). I think @chessvibesofficial did a phenomenal job on the analysis, but when we consider 55% ignores/45% reacts, it does make it seem a little less insightful perhaps?
      I am a huge proponent of ignoring pins. I think psychologically it takes a little wind out of your opponent’s sails, but you do have to keep an eye on it and be sure to have a development plan.

  • @prinnydadnope5768
    @prinnydadnope5768 Рік тому +96

    A mindset I developped by playing shogi is "if I can't react in a way I'm ok with, I have to attack where it hurts" and it's actually the concept here, focusing on influence and aggro when under pressure.

  • @tacotuttle
    @tacotuttle Рік тому +273

    Timestamps:
    1:25-2:29 Moved Queen
    2:35-4:00 Defended with Knight
    4:06-5:15 Defended with Queen
    5:40-6:44 Blocked with Bishop
    6:50-9:12 Attacked with Flank Pawn
    9:30-12:43 Ignored
    12:43-13:22 Summary

  • @theamazingmetagross1655
    @theamazingmetagross1655 Рік тому +336

    Damn Nelson thank you for working so hard on one topic for us which occurs a lot in our regular games

    • @jackgallagher4146
      @jackgallagher4146 Рік тому

      i like that idea that you treat a known opponents next move you can't effectively respond to as you have 2 times per turn

  • @potato_consumer941
    @potato_consumer941 8 місяців тому +4

    “It isn’t a checkmate, it’s just a king sacrifice.”

  • @Wspre_
    @Wspre_ Рік тому +16

    3:29
    By moving his Queen there he also pins the knight to the white king, which was previously defending e4

  • @xpctechnology
    @xpctechnology Рік тому +61

    I appreciate the effort that went into video. Very interesting. Cheers

    • @IDMYM8
      @IDMYM8 5 місяців тому

      I too

    • @michaelsumner-ru9bo
      @michaelsumner-ru9bo 2 місяці тому

      Amazing how I play like magnus 55 %of the time yet lose 95% of the time.

  • @emmagrove6491
    @emmagrove6491 Рік тому +12

    Thank you for taking the time to post and analyze this! The bishop pin to the knight is the most common early opening... Almost every game I play my opponent does this, and it's my least favorite move. It's more annoying than anything, and I always find a way to un-pin as soon as possible, and then punish them for daring to threaten my king or queen.

  • @benprescott9217
    @benprescott9217 Рік тому +88

    My favourite opening with white is the Blackmar-Deimer Gambit.
    With black, it's the Dutch Defense.

    • @danielyuan9862
      @danielyuan9862 Рік тому

      Isn't the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit black's opening?

    • @benprescott9217
      @benprescott9217 Рік тому +24

      @@danielyuan9862 It's a gambit for white, and the beauty of it is that it can transpose into other openings like the French or Caro-Kann if black doesn't want to accept the gambit.

    • @f2pkx463
      @f2pkx463 Рік тому +2

      Wth is blackmar-deimer gambit
      All I know is queen pawn/king pawn

    • @DieFlabbergast
      @DieFlabbergast Рік тому +1

      Either you're a tactical/combinatorial genius, or you lose a lot of games :)

    • @benprescott9217
      @benprescott9217 Рік тому +4

      @@DieFlabbergast It's a bit of both lol

  • @bmakepeacekamen3082
    @bmakepeacekamen3082 Рік тому +8

    GREAT video! This is becoming one of my favorite chess channels. People talk about chess style all the time with GMs; that's easy enough to see in a broad sense, but the specifics are not. This kind of statistical breakdown over commonly occuring positions (here, a pinned queen) gives real, teaching insight beyond just characterizing style of play in a word. I wish you success to keep making these specific types of videos. This seems like a ton of work, and it's very instructive. Gonna share this with some friends now. Making a contribution to your channel atm is just too hard for me to do (hopefully soon, I'd love to support this channel) , so sharing is the least -- or most? -- I could do. Either way, thanks again for this great video!

  • @mitchellverhelle3986
    @mitchellverhelle3986 Рік тому +7

    You say he "ignores" it but he eventually Castles out of it, that's why his next two moves after the pin was to make room for the king to castle ASAP

  • @priestshibe
    @priestshibe Рік тому +7

    can we just appreciate the fact that he had to find 100 games that Magnus was pinned ⁉️

  • @OregonMikeH
    @OregonMikeH 8 місяців тому

    Thank You, Nelson! Very enlightening, I will be using these examples tomorrow at my Chess Club. Also, wanting you to know that there are so many examples of such diligent work on your part in the sharing of many such excellent examoles. Your Ch. is always greatly appreciated. Have a Grand Day!! ..... Mike.

  • @NikeSoccerTennis
    @NikeSoccerTennis Рік тому +7

    I love how your videos are straight to the point and you explain clearly.. most chess channels want to give too much of their input, confuse you with a lot of moves the best players dont even do for a reason, and never get to the point! Great content brother

  • @leandrobaluyotjr5181
    @leandrobaluyotjr5181 Рік тому

    Excellent focus on the subject about "pin" on the knight! Thank you for your effort in presenting this subject . More success to your endeavors sir!

  • @thedutchboss8353
    @thedutchboss8353 9 місяців тому +2

    You must have put in many hours in analyzing all those situations, thank you so much for yet another amazing video!

  • @Trelmayas21
    @Trelmayas21 Рік тому +6

    Very interesting bit of information. Thank you for putting this all together.

  • @tiletapper4ever
    @tiletapper4ever Рік тому +4

    3:24 me when I'm trying to form a damn simple phrase in English 😂

  • @midamida915
    @midamida915 Рік тому +8

    Such a useful video, great work on the research, this channel is golden

  • @abhishekgoel2612
    @abhishekgoel2612 Рік тому +2

    This channel has to be amongst the top 3 channels on youtube when it comes to learning Chess! Love your work mate..

  • @yyyyyk
    @yyyyyk Рік тому

    Excellent video!
    Thank you so much for putting the time to analyze all of these games, NM Nelson!

  • @misog-in6oy
    @misog-in6oy Рік тому +1

    you really do your research. kudos and love your channel, man! can you maybe also share a vid on openings beyond e4e5?

  • @ralphzoontjens
    @ralphzoontjens Рік тому +6

    So he seems to look for ways to have his defense serve his own attack and otherwise just lets the opponent capture. That's a great lesson!

  • @justarandomguyonyoutube9129
    @justarandomguyonyoutube9129 Рік тому +4

    Magnus' reaction to that pin:

  • @userac-xpg
    @userac-xpg 10 місяців тому +1

    thanks for putting in the work on this video. I used to always either immediately break the pin or threaten the bishop. Now I try other things first

  • @SeppyDawg
    @SeppyDawg 2 місяці тому

    This was great, please do more of these!

  • @lesgoshooping6695
    @lesgoshooping6695 Рік тому +1

    I think in the case of a queen pin, you can flank pawn attack because queen just recaptures and pawn structure isn't damaged. It also prepares the escape square for a kingside castle. Additionally, in a king pin, I think its best to move the bishop as it defends the knight and develops a piece. Despite Magnus ignoring over half of the time, my observations are probably better for lower rated players because we may not know how to take advantage of the position and just being a pawn or other down. I'd like some feedback to know if my analysis was good as a low rated player.
    Edit: Considering the counter attack option, it does seem good but again, its a lot easier for a low rated player to not know how to counterattack correctly and defending may seem like the more solid option.

    • @christopherheckman7957
      @christopherheckman7957 Рік тому

      Someone else commented about whether the numbers change for pins on the king as opposed to pins on the queen.

    • @lesgoshooping6695
      @lesgoshooping6695 Рік тому

      @@christopherheckman7957 didn't see it

  • @stoney937
    @stoney937 Рік тому +110

    Did you do the data yourself or do you have a team? These are impressive findings

    • @peeepeeepooopooo
      @peeepeeepooopooo Рік тому +1

      its 100 games

    • @Danso_3000
      @Danso_3000 Рік тому +3

      @@peeepeeepooopooo A hundred that had to first be found and selected out of several thousand, where such pins occurred.

    • @peeepeeepooopooo
      @peeepeeepooopooo Рік тому

      @@Danso_3000 you can just keep going down the top games list and see if any of them have pins its max gonna take like 2 hours max, and he didnt actually look at thousands of games lmao

    • @christopherheckman7957
      @christopherheckman7957 Рік тому +3

      @@Datscrazi231 He could narrow things down by searching the text (as one big PGN file) for "Bb5", "Bb4", "Bg5" and "Bg4". This wouldn't give you The List, but you can search the text for "Nc6" (if Bb5 has shown up), "Nc3", etc.
      Of course that STILL isn't the complete process, but you've likely filtered out a lot of games that don't involve pinning.
      (Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is how Nelson did it, just how you *can* use a computer search to get rid of games where obviously there was no pin.)

    • @justadepressedguywithnobi
      @justadepressedguywithnobi Рік тому

      Him and his dog maybe

  • @harikumars1487
    @harikumars1487 Рік тому +4

    Hey Nelson, I have a challenge for you
    Play a match against Martin, but "without" your Queen, and both of your Rooks. You are allowed to promote your Pawn to a Rook, but not to a Queen.
    Good luck!

  • @danih.m.753
    @danih.m.753 5 місяців тому

    Amazing way to explain, so complete and really full of examples and information, thank you!

  • @eahemming
    @eahemming Рік тому +2

    Wow, really informative. Thanks for all the work you put into gathering this knowledge for everyone!

  • @screwearbudlooserfriend
    @screwearbudlooserfriend Рік тому +1

    Great extensive analysis. Cracked me up when Nelson failed to say "easily"

  • @burakdindaroglu8948
    @burakdindaroglu8948 Рік тому

    Nice work finding and summarizing all these games, thanks! Since all these pins happen in different scenarios, and not all of them threathen doubling the pawns, it would be nice to see how he responds to the actual threat of doubling a pawn.

  • @abee3440
    @abee3440 Рік тому +8

    2% of the time he moved his queen. 1:24
    3% of the time he defended with the knight. 2:34
    4% of the time he defended with the queen. 4:05
    13% of the time he blocked with the bishop. 5:38
    23% of the time he attacked with the flank pawn. 6:49
    55% of the time he ignored the pin and continued developing. 9:26

  • @DudeWhoSaysDeez
    @DudeWhoSaysDeez 2 місяці тому

    I like these analysis videos. You might even consider using all grandmaster-level games as an initial starting point, although the dataset would be much larger.

  • @awang_ir
    @awang_ir Рік тому +4

    Next suggestion: how Nelson responds to hate comments
    Edited: I don't know how serious Nelson analyze this. This dedication is so underrated

  • @moorcum
    @moorcum Рік тому +1

    I really like your videos, not only are they entertaining but I learn something with every video, thanks.

  • @Dustii91
    @Dustii91 9 місяців тому +2

    I'm absolutely brand new to chess, so this is probably an example of what I should not be watching at this moment, but brilliant food for thought, so many options scenario dependent.
    Thank you for taking the time!

  • @tsa_gamer007
    @tsa_gamer007 Рік тому +1

    Your efforts must be appreciated. It is not easy to find 100 good games and analyze them. The video is very helpful and it vanished one of my difficulties

  • @justcam5502
    @justcam5502 Рік тому +2

    This is a great video. This video will surely improve my future chess gameplay and skills. Thank you very much.

  • @justhereforstudying4733
    @justhereforstudying4733 Рік тому +4

    You should have made two seperate charts for knight pinning to king and knight pinning to queen and other things as there he can move the knight too

    • @GanonTEK
      @GanonTEK Рік тому +1

      Good point.
      The orange segment there I think only makes good sense if it's a Queen that's pinned which probably happens on average 50% of pins. Otherwise, you're going to double up your pawns.
      I think if you had separate charts, the queen pin one could double the orange segment and probably be the most popular option and in the king pin one, that option might go to 0% and be the lowest choice.

  • @jasonsiebold
    @jasonsiebold Рік тому +2

    Great info. Thanks for putting in the work.

  • @dashvash5440
    @dashvash5440 Рік тому +2

    In example one, moving the queen, it would have been nice to see the next move by Magnus. I'd imagine he defended against the knight but still seeing his next move and (depending on your expertise, 1st time viewer) if he wanted the knight to come in or if he should have just moved the queen to defend against the knight initially.
    Love the content idea.
    Edit: just saw you're titled so your expertise is obviously valued.

  • @1a1u0g9t4s2u
    @1a1u0g9t4s2u Рік тому

    Nice deep dive into studying Magnus' games. Thanks for sharing.

  • @NoNoahhhh
    @NoNoahhhh Рік тому

    This is a very good idea from you. You can make othet analysises of magnus responses to certain positions/openings/inputs

  • @henriquetomio
    @henriquetomio 3 місяці тому

    One could argue that moving the bishop in the first example is not ignoring it, but is preparing to castle so the knight is no longer pinned.
    Great info, thanks

  • @mitchellverhelle3986
    @mitchellverhelle3986 Рік тому

    When you say he ignores it, it looks like this only happens in specific scenarios: i.e. he sees an easy oportunity to move the piece behind the knight outmof the way in a way that helps him more

  • @kz7287
    @kz7287 Рік тому +2

    That was so interesting. keep doing great work man.👍

  • @robertcahoon5278
    @robertcahoon5278 Рік тому +6

    Aren't you assuming that the move immediately following a pin is always in response to the pin which I would think is not necessarily true. The move could be motivated by another factor entirely! 😁 love the channel by the way.

    • @christopherheckman7957
      @christopherheckman7957 Рік тому

      I think that's kind of implied when you are "looking for the reaction."
      You could make a case when the next move is a check or something else that has a higher priority for the opponent than BxN (such as an attack on the queen).

  • @mapachetapatio
    @mapachetapatio Рік тому

    brilliant!! that is true chess analysis. I wish I could see more like this one!

  • @mygod2529
    @mygod2529 Рік тому

    Super helpful! Thank you for this vid!

  • @Nill757
    @Nill757 9 місяців тому

    Note the “ignore” play happens in Q gambit w the pawn gone so no double pawn in recapture. Major factor.

  • @GeekyNeil
    @GeekyNeil Рік тому

    Thanks for the analysis. You must have put a lot of effort in. You definitely got some useful results.

  • @andyvaldez4334
    @andyvaldez4334 Рік тому

    Nelson, you're a real one! Keep up the good work.

  • @RyanHarris77
    @RyanHarris77 Рік тому +1

    I almost always immediately kick with the A/H pawn. I’m going to mess around with not responding immediately to it and see how that feels.

  • @roblodocus2539
    @roblodocus2539 Рік тому +1

    Cut to Hikaru gratefully watching this in his hotel room the night before his next match with Magnus.
    Fantastic video btw!

  • @chrisdonahue2402
    @chrisdonahue2402 11 місяців тому

    TY for the video. Bobby fischer had the same mindset, that the best defense is a good offense.

  • @stevenottomanyi154
    @stevenottomanyi154 Рік тому

    I really love your sense of humor. And everything else!

  • @virgodem
    @virgodem Рік тому +2

    I’d say castling address the pin on the king there, rather than completely ignoring it.

  • @QuatschAlder
    @QuatschAlder Рік тому

    crazy video, huge props! you did a really good job there!

  • @yasinhurairah3474
    @yasinhurairah3474 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for another excellent video Nelson I have learnt alot from you!

  • @noelkin1968
    @noelkin1968 Рік тому

    Very interesting study! Thanks

  • @garymurawski1476
    @garymurawski1476 Місяць тому

    How do you find the time? I am learning so much and truly am gratified with your expeertise.

  • @kennethlewis3870
    @kennethlewis3870 Рік тому

    Very good Nelson. Thank you for the effort.

  • @wat712
    @wat712 Рік тому +2

    thank you nelson now i wont fail to win in a boxing game as i now know dogs bark

  • @colescalisthenics
    @colescalisthenics Рік тому +2

    Appreciate the time and effort you put into this video!! Thank you very much!!!!

  • @cornwallnick
    @cornwallnick Рік тому +1

    Great analysis. Thanks 🙏

  • @JIRKA_Praha
    @JIRKA_Praha 8 місяців тому

    Incredible job for us, Nelson 👍 Thx a lot 💖

  • @ramending840
    @ramending840 Рік тому +1

    Actually at 3:30 and moments leading to it, it's just the cambridge springs defense and all theory.

  • @steve_watson_644
    @steve_watson_644 Рік тому +1

    There's Magnus ignoring the pin and winning and then there's me ignoring the pin and getting smothered or ending up in a fork

  • @ariwsaragih
    @ariwsaragih 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for sharing the hard works man. Much appreciated..and God bless

  • @giorgiorkoshneli1256
    @giorgiorkoshneli1256 Рік тому

    you have really put work in this video and its cool

  • @TheAnimal191
    @TheAnimal191 Рік тому

    One of your best videos. Makes me wonder how other players handle the same thing

  • @suzanahercegovac2132
    @suzanahercegovac2132 Рік тому

    Appreciate the effort that went into this! I dont think ignores is the right word, I think its more like counter-attacks?

  • @sharkisthere
    @sharkisthere Рік тому

    I love this video. This was a lot of effort.

  • @Abelj239
    @Abelj239 Рік тому

    7:44 thats a solid opening, the anderssen

  • @ChristianSoschner
    @ChristianSoschner 11 місяців тому

    Thanksgiving for putting this beneficial analysis together

  • @TheThinkersBible
    @TheThinkersBible 5 місяців тому

    VERY insightful. Thanks!

  • @krispe2512
    @krispe2512 Рік тому

    These type videos are amazing content

  • @user-ej7sr3ow8b
    @user-ej7sr3ow8b 6 місяців тому

    I think the reason that he ignores for more than half of the cases is that, the king and queen will be moved away a few moves later even without the pin, so it's really not worth to waste a tempo to deal with the pin, unless the opponent has a good follow up to exploit the pin

  • @ralkadde
    @ralkadde Рік тому

    Great analysis! I appreciate it very much.

  • @iwashere2370
    @iwashere2370 Рік тому +5

    I think it's because he values development over attack or counter attack. Keeping his options open do he can focus on winning the game instead of getting dragged into a minor scuffle

  • @Kathleengrace_
    @Kathleengrace_ Рік тому

    Sometimes i realize a pin too late, and in those situations just trade or attack on the other side of the board. Basically trying to make a mess with the board. It works out sometimes

  • @86jam184
    @86jam184 Рік тому

    dude, i want you to make a video on literally everything. I heart data

  • @darrylkassle361
    @darrylkassle361 Рік тому

    This is Chessvibes is one of the best chess channels. The content is original and instructive

  • @BO55N355
    @BO55N355 Рік тому

    "You can do it Nelson" 🤣🤣🤣

  • @cqrhqr3418
    @cqrhqr3418 Рік тому

    Nice work nelson!

  • @sanji5856
    @sanji5856 Рік тому +1

    Wow, I actually thought that there was going to be something like 80 % of king up for a late bongcloud 💀💀💀

  • @andrewf7822
    @andrewf7822 Рік тому

    Great video, thanks Nelson.

  • @innocentcauliflower1651
    @innocentcauliflower1651 Рік тому

    What a hard working man lol. I always wondered what the best move was against a king sided knight fork. I hated having that doublepawn and when you start with something like the italian game i dont want to move the bishop back

  • @saval35
    @saval35 Рік тому

    Thank you. So informative 🎉

  • @BasicShapes
    @BasicShapes 8 місяців тому

    Magnus truly embodies the saying "The best defense is a good offense"

  • @Playedwithit
    @Playedwithit Рік тому

    thank you well appreciated! this is so good for my play.

  • @kohop9219
    @kohop9219 Рік тому

    Nice video and funny bit with "easier/easily". It happens 😄

  • @charoglean6739
    @charoglean6739 Рік тому

    Can you do about queen and king fork, queen secured, or queen pin

  • @LeonardGMN
    @LeonardGMN Рік тому +1

    I think it would have been nice, if you had included some examples of the flank pawn attack with a pin on the king. Usually the pawn structure feels very awkward if the opponents decides to capture (especially early on in the game). And: Are there any differences in percentage when it comes to "attack with flank pawn" on King vs Queen pin?

    • @christopherheckman7957
      @christopherheckman7957 Рік тому

      That was what I was going to say. 8-) With a pin on the king, you obviously can't move the knight, and you probably wouldn't with the queen, but there might be a combination where you checkmate or win more than a queen.