WAY Better than it Should Be! I Totally Underestimated the SMSL M300SE
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0:25 Intro
0:55 SMSL M300 SE
1:50 Specs
3:51 Hfi Who?
4:26 What's on the Back?
6:24 How it Sounds and Power
10:39 On Speakers
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Pls tell them to remove the MQA label & reduce the price by 15-20%
I've been living with an SMSL SU-1 for a few weeks now and I'm completely sold on SMSL. Easily the best $79 I've ever spent on hifi gear. No contest.
Next on my list!
A firmware update came out in August that adds filters:
Fi: Fast and Low-latencey filter
F2: Fast and Phase-compensated filter
F3: Slow and Low-Latency filter
F4: Slow and Phase-compensated filter
F5: Nonoversampling filter
I just updated and will try to check them out in the next 3 days, After that, I'm gone for the month and will dig deep into it in November.
I use it as a DAV with my Schist Freya N, Lokias, and Asgard 3, usually with my HifimanSundara cans, and it surprised me as to how good it sounds compared to the IFI Zen DAC v2 in the chain. It's seriously a not-insignificant step up in terms of clarity and balance. It's a noticeable improvement.
I ordered mine via Amazon Canada, and it arrives this afternoon. This will go into my main Schiit stack (Freya N, Lokius, Asgard 3, currently fed by an iFi Zen Dac II). My main headphones for this stack is the Sundara. I'm looking forward to see what this little unit does for the sound. Based this review, I'm surprised it didn't make to your top 10 DACs on your recent video.
Thanks for sharing this with us. Always on the lookout for a really good cheap headphone amp that will calm my FOMO syndrome, at least for a month. 😂 Your time and efforts are always greatly appreciated. Enjoy your day and weekend ahead.
I'm catching up on all your dac videos and this one pops up. Seems like a good product for the money. Think I'm experiencing dac overload. All the best.
I ordered one up, and it came about a week ago, much better than the price. Bought the unit for the remote and the balanced outs. The jury is still but I think I prefer my Cambridge Dac 200m which is less in your face,oo warmer richer sound. Sometimes in your face is just what you want and I don't have yo get off the couch. 😊
I’m still rocking a M100 and a A100 in my bathroom airplay system. They are still working quite well, the only issue I am having is that the volume encoder on the A1 hundred is a little messed up but it does work.
I’ve got the Smsl C100 DAC, since Jan 2023, working well, and I like the display.
The xmos xu316 is the microcontroller. You can grab the datasheet for it as well.
"Nebulously Ambiguous". That was the name of a local garage band from my teenage years!
Fun fun intro! Great info.
Awesome review that helped guide me to make a better purchase choice!
Love the intro, it looks like Love Death & Robots
I love my cheap, little, awesome Schiit Modi 3 DACs. You don't need to spend huge money on a DAC!
🤔What is a Modi 3 and why are there so many flavors of Modi?
I think the “current” model is Modi+.
@@shipsahoy1793 It's probably last years model.
@@mikecampbell5856 Well, I was hoping you had a better idea than that, Mike, but that said, I actually have a Modi+ and I think it’s pretty damn good for its price and it doesn’t even have a “sought after” dac in it. It has an ESS ES9018 dac and an OPA1656 based analog summing and active filter section w/ film type precision R’s and C’s. Doesn’t even need a large linear power supply. The power brick it comes with is just fine. One or more of the older models probably has an AKM dac and whatever that entails.
Edit: chip model typo fixed.
This one measured better than any of the Modi's, and, probably, sounds exactly the frickin same....
@@shipsahoy1793
It's a combination of staying relevant by releasing new models and making incremental gains in performance.
It's more the former by keeping the company's products visible through HiFi press and social media.
wanted a balanced dac, mostly because I have 2 balanced amps. Also wanted something with optical in. Didn't want to spend more than enough.
boom. here it is. gonna order asap
I sub, BECAUSE I LIKE your personality! Don't change
Comparing your opinions to the “scientific” reviews that believe any differences heard between equipment that measure similarly is mental trickery, imagination! You are very compassionate to these unbelievers by suggesting that we simply try a little “cheaper” snake oil and decide ourselves. Good advice! Occasionally I get a little scientific myself and swap the items I’m comparing multiple times, easy, sense I’m not trying a dozen other items. There’s always a difference but often it’s often different than what I’d originally believed. Reviewing is tough because the environment changes and a system that sounds great Monday can be the dog’s breakfast Friday so thanks for doing your best and hopefully enjoying it.
The ability to perceive actual details in sound is very similar to an ability of playing a musical instrument on a decent level. In both cases not everybody is capable of doing it.
Here comes the helping crutch: the measurements . Which may help to provide a basic picture, but cannot tell the whole story. A person that wants to distinguish the differences in sound of a device first of all needs that very essential capability. Then, of course, the rest of the equipment connected to it must be capable of "not hiding" or flavouring those differences, too.
And last but not least, one must have a time and the mood to do it right. It mostly means to forget about the world and focus on just being here with the music. And to focus on the To "see" the music behind the closed eyes: the proportions, the separation, i.e. the perceived positions and the size of the musical instruments. Not just the dynamics and flavours, and maybe basses and sibilants, as most of the people do. Of course, only well recorded music can serve the purpose here, so most of the music videos out of the UA-cam is out of discussion here.
Here is where the real differences are hidden, and no Armin is capable of measuring those. People are not a lab equipment, in fact, people "do" listening via their hearts.
Thanks!
Welcome!
Surprised that it doesn't offer unbalanced, RCA outputs. It appears to only support XLR and an 1/8" aux jack. But at just a little over $100, an aux to RCA cable or XLR to RCA adapters being added to the overall purchase would still be viable for those on a tight budget.
The remote with a dac (and a good dac) at this price point is kinda huge especially for budget tv set up
Nice cheap way to get great sounding music from a source to balanced powered subwoofer/monitors while having a remote. got mine for $110. sweet. oh, and if you want to use it with headphones, I advise going from 4.4mm out to 4.4mm input of the ifi Zen Can or xlr out into a balanced amp( my Jot). bangs like a champ...
I'm giving it serious consideration. I suspect it would pair up well with my SMSL AO200 Amp. BTW, apparently the bottom USB input is for either a source and/or for power. Very confusing verbiage on the SMSL site.
A&W root beer. Has that frosty mug taste!!!!!!
Nice review...how will compare with the SMSL AD18? Want to replace a soundbar with the less possible equipment and maybe a couple of Elac Bs41 or Micca mb24x, even go ultrabudget with some pyle psmsp5 speakers. Hope you jump in with your opinions.
Any thoughts on how the DAC and headphone amp stand up against those in the Bluesound Node? I'm interested in the Node X, but you can't buy it where I live. I'll be moving to Europe in a couple of months, but they might be sold out by then, so looking at ways to get similar quality with the standard one (plus, I think I prefer the white over the silver...)
This just arrived today. Took about 10 days to get to Va. Decided to set up while setting up my WiiM Mini that I bought a while ago. Was really expecting better sound. Ran my Airmotiv's and my Philips Fidelio and have tried everything to get it sound better. The solution at this point was to unplug the SMSL and plug directly into the WiiM. Very watery, sibilent sound. Not sure what I've done wrong. Ifi hip dac is far superior in my opinion.
You are making comparisons of two very different segments. Obviously the Hip DAC v2 is better with your headphones, that was to be expected.
Say whaa?? Show me where I said I hooked this rig up to my HipDac? I said IN COMPARISION to my regular rig, which is a HipDac, there was no comparison.
For your hissing/popping by the Topping, my guess would be bad power supply. Use a Variac to match the power input requirements to see if the issue goes away.
Take a serious look at your signal connections, because I had that problem with a tablet bc of a tarnished plug and/or jack.
I basically took the plug and spun it around in the hole for an hour (just kidding, not an hour), but I did enough spins to actually fix the problem lol
Edit: (fixed spelling errors)
If a Topping is popping what does an SMSL do? Smell?
At this price I had to grab one. With balanced I could use this with my NAD 208 thx power amp.
I'm still using this m300se as my main driver, and am waiting for the Schiit Audio Midgard headphone amp/preamp, for a seamless balanced setup, going to the balanced connections on the NAD 208 thx power amp for the speakers.
About the USB-C input. The Ifi Zen Dac takes a 5v power supply but can also run off the USB-A digital source from a computer which should also be 5v. It’s fine but it’s also $169 and has no remote. This SMSL sounds like a great deal.
But Zen DAC V2 im my case runs way better and also considerably louder with that aux 5V plugged-in compared to just the USB power.
@@PhonoDirect wait, really? is not just 5v from both?
Good pairing for the klipsch fives?
can I connect this with the ATOM AMP+ HEVI? I am still knew to this and would love to know if this combo works!
U have done the same for M500 MKII as well i.e not taking it serious enough as it even can compete with the R2R Dac from Denapris i.e Ares II which fortunately you own as well.
when you say popping and clicking is it the topping amp or the smsl m300se that does that?
Thank you for your review. Would be possible to change volume of XLR Balanced outputs and RCA Single Ended outputs? Or remote control is only for headphone output?
is it be able to decode max mqa quality from tidal through wiim pro optical?
Hey Randall, do you think this would pair up well with the Sabaj A20H headphone amplifier? Both are $119 each. Initially I was hoping to pair the amp up with the A20D dac, but Sabaj doesn't make the standalone anymore.
Currently, I have the Sabaj A20D 2022 version. In fact, I bought it after I watched your review on it. For the price, it really is almost unbeatable, even compared to higher priced units.
After trying many, many DACs, even the new FiiO K9 Pro ESS, I came to the conclusion that at some point, more $$$ doesn't translate to better audio, at least not to justify the increase in cost. So I am looking to set up a solid, decently priced Dac/Amp combo and spend all the extra money on better headphones.
Currently, I have the Edition XS. But as much as I love the sound... it's not very comfortable (hate the headband). I am looking to move up to something higher up the ladder.
What are your thoughts?
Why would you need to?
I see you’re feeding it with the Wiim Pro ..👍👍
In the current market, there doesn't seem to be anything that offers a superior performance to price ratio of using one of the WiiM devices for a streaming transport.
@@pauln6803 it’s a unicorn 🦄 🙂
is it a okay product for speakers like genelec 8010/20?
Nice review. How do you find it compared to the Schiit modi+. I'm stack between those two, because I don't have a clear opinion about chinese hi-fi products. Thank you in advance!
I want to buy a dac/amp for my headphones and I'm thinking about going for the ifi Zen Air but now with this one, I'm not so sure. Any suggestions, fellas?
looking for some feedback. I have Sony bluetooth "over ear" headphones that cost around $70. I don't need a DAC. Is there a decent amplifier that I can buy that will transmit a bluetooth signal? I plan on connecting a CD player to the amp. Thanks for any helpful feedback!
Do you plan on a Vidar 2 review?
How does it compare to the Dac and headphone amp in my Yamaha 301?
Dang Randy, I just ordered smsl su1 to try, now you think this sounds better. Thank goodness amazon gives 30 day returns if it doesn't perform.
I wanted to try dac outside of the one in my bluesound node.
Interesting - it has a 5V USB C plug for power - and it has a 2nd USB C plug for additional power. Similar to the Schiit Modius. I wonder if the treble would be cleaner with the auxiliary power also in use? Worth a try?
The graphic you show says 148mW @ 32ohms and 15mW @ 300ohm. So, not a whole lot of powah?
I thought I read some graphics cards in high end gaming PCs were noisy. Maybe it can help with noise issues like that if you power the dac with a quality wall wart?
@@spamcan9208 Computers in general - desktops in particular - are often noisy sources. Having two power plugs will be higher current than just one.
Randy, what do you assume price wise when you feel Schit's build quality?
I suppose if you all want a cheap great sounding PC/desktop unit that play headphones as well as speakers I'd recommend going Pro-Audio and get a Audio Interface. They sound incredible compared to this B2C construction..
Randy, It's Bob... (the Cheap Pro-Audio Guy;) I saw your video about this SMSL M300SE. I'm running a vintage Pioneer SX838 (refreshed) into a Wiim Pro (thanks for the tip on that!) into my Klipsch LaScala's (1980). I'm searching for a better DAC than what the Wiim Pro offers. My Choices are down to the SMSL M300SE or the Geshelli LAbs J2 AKM chip. What one sounds better? If you say the J2 sounds better, does it sound 2.5x better?
I use XLR to RCA adapter plugs.
You missed banana for scale!!!
How does one hook up a pc to this?
Can this unit output XLR and 3.5mm SE at the same time or only one at a time as Pre-Amp?
So both USBs are power? Can either of them be used as audio in?
1 is power the one below is data
If you don't need the headphone amp is the smsl su-1 a better option?
This also has a remote.
agree with the other comment. if you don't need a remote then the SU1. also, this only has 3.5mm out for single ended connections and the SU1 has normal RCA's. I think the real value is if you're going to use this as a headphone amp too. either way it sounds great and I was really surprised. a lot of dacs sound the same so you may as well save money and get a decent cheap one and this definitely falls into that category.
just ordered,they said its in high demand.they owe you.
is it better than k5 pro ?
I’d like to see how they sound connected to a set of powered speakers.. I feel like that’s what this product is made for- a desktop PC setup that u can plug both your speakers and headphones into and jam out while you’re working/gaming/whatever
I also wish it had a 2nd RCA output, the 1/4” thing is kinda confusing because most of their newer DAC’s seem to have dual XLR/RCA outputs.. Maybe it’s a size thing idk
Was reading don’t use quick charge 5v usb power, will do damage.
How does it compare to the gisselli labs dac?
Geshelli labs
Hi Randall, I just subscribed to your channel because I very much like the content you're making. Will you also be reviewing power amplifiers in the future? Thank you in advance for your feedback. kind regards, Alex
yes. I have over 700 videos and many of them are amp reviews. check out the back catalog, my friend
@cheapaudioman Thank you. I went through all the amp reviews, and except for the topping LA90 -which you can put in bypass mode to work with as a power amp in combination with a pre amp like the topping a90 - all the reviews are on integrated amps.
@@chewingal2324 I’ve done the schiit Vidar, Aegir, g horns, dozens of Chinese amps that could be used as a power amp, emotiva dr1 monoblocks, A1 monoblocks, xpa gen 2 2 channel amp, crown power amplifier, akitika power amp amongst others im probably forgetting.
@cheapaudioman hi Randy, thank you for taking the time to clear that up for me ( and maybe others). Enjoy the rest of the weekend. Kind regards, Alex
US shipping now sold out
So i ordered from china instead , ... it's on its way !
I am in the market to buy a DAC, should I go with the SU-1 or this m300 se ? I will be hooking it up to AV receiver.
Can this be connected to Android phone with usb c ?
Good to hear "titch" in the lexicon!
Looks to be sold out from Hifi-Express shipping from the US. :(
Enough with DACs. If you want to improve your sound quality, short of buying speakers, upgrade a cartridge. Huge bang for the buck. Review some cartridges and stylus’(styli?).
Woow, only 148 mW @32 ohms for a desk unit this day and age. SMH. There's plenty of dongles based on the 43131 these days that can push up to 2x more power than that, I don't understand what they messed up here.
My teensy HiBy FC3 has every bit as clean of a signal in terms of THD+N, and with the right impedance adapters (150+ ohms) can be tricked to auto-switch to a 100 mW @32 ohms mode, that's like 1.7 dB lower max loudness, and the damn thing costs 10x less.
How do you compare this DAC with the Geshelli labs?
I want to know that too.
🤔Reviewers generally have a honeymoon phase with everything that they review that they like for its price, so they are always sounding like, whether it’s $100 or $1000, the best thing since mom’s apple pie, but the reality is they will always justify their previous opinions with the “you generally get what you pay for” perspective, when you corner them on it, or use technology enhancement over older product to explain. Very typical. Don’t forget, it’s a form of sales when you have affiliate links.
They all sound the same. Just pick one and be done with it.
@@kenmay9729 Lol.. almost sounds like defeatism. It’s all about the “enhancements,” and at what cost one draws the line..
It is defeatism when it comes to DACs. Nothing is good enough in this hifi world. You need to upgrade everything at the point of purchase, the DAC, the power cord, the power supply, the cables,on and on it goes. Enjoy the music.
4:14 LMAO!!!
At 3:45, it’s pentacon/pentaconn. Not pentagon. Pentagon is a shape and a building.
I'm not very intelligent.
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Ok sheldon
@@cheapaudioman Well when it comes to getting free stuff and sponsors ,...you are ! 🤣
Balanced XLR at this price-point is a bit silly, unless you have a sizzly Topping amp of course. Most people don't know what to do with with xlr.
not every body but me ...Samsom servo550 studio amp and a Behringer FBQ1502HD Graphic Equalizer for Home studio PA system its very welkom
i do !
OK, I bought the SMSL M300SE off your link. I can't get one sound out of it. I'm trying to use it in parallel with a Wiim Pro which is connected wi-fi and I use it exclusively as my media streaming using the Wiim Pro App. I thought I could access the DAC within the SMSLm300SE while using the Wiim Pro but I can't figure it out. BTW, you get next to zero support from SMSL. Must be the language barrier or something. If you can figure out how to run these two units together I'd be much obliged.
*sigh... "OLED screen". How are you supposed to listen to music for hours on end if the screen's just going to burn in? If there was a function on these audio components with OLED screens to put the screen in a sleep/off mode after a few seconds of idle, I'd be interested.
selectable 5-30 seconds screen auto-off,
4 levels of adjustable brightness
I just looked this up on Amazon Australia, $680.23 AUD. China is not that far from here. I would have thought $220. Why can't I have nice things?
This is dongle dac tech flowing over into a desktop product.
Same chip is in my iBasso DC04 Pro
@@D1N02 The chip is not the overriding factor when it comes to sound quality; the clock, the power supply and analogue output stage make more difference.
@@MrGorpm Agreed - and the pre-filtering used, as well. Some units just use whatever is set up by the chip maker, and some units do their own processing - maybe that is the significance of the XMOS chip CAM mentioned?
@@MrGorpm apparently this chip does not need a analogue output stage (allthough it has two RT6863 opamps in the DC04 pro, it doesn't use them in the DC03 pro)
@@D1N02 Needs and preferences are different things entirely IMO.
My 2 cents.. Super small form factor is not a benefit because there’s not enough weight on the table. You know the cables will push the unit around, signal connections can become problematic, the ability to have the real estate to put the right kind and sufficient number of connectors etc on the unit goes out.. The list goes on and on when a device is too small. It’s just not worth it.
Put a heavy book on top of it.
@@mccririck01 😵Or you can clamp it, or bracket it in place, or tape it, or glue it, build walls around it, whatever "dude" ... Regardless, it is just stupid, inconvenient, and shouldn't be a requirement.
@@shipsahoy1793 I think you're overreacting.
@@mccririck01 🖕🏻!
Now that is overreacting!🤣 All joking aside, I was just making a statement. I don’t really care about those cheap products tbh, just trying make a point. Sometimes sensationalism gets the point across ! ⚡️
I don't know what a dac is or what to use it for
Converts digital audio signal to analog for playback. Your phone, TV, etc. Have dacs but the quality of an external DAC is usually better.
earthworm ! ya don't know what a DAC is ? shame on you , ...
@@VirusForPrez I’d vote for you
@@SnapperX3 but when would I use one? For what purpose?
@@earthling2007 I stream music from my desktop. Rather than use the 3.5mm out to amplifier r, I run a USB cable from my computer to the DAC and then from the DAC to the amplifier. You could do a similar setup with a phone.
S/A !
I don't know anyone who has balanced connection components
Balanced isn't something I've normally seen with budget priced audio gear
@@NosEL34 indeed. like you pay a lot extra to have components with it and most of us have no need for long cable runs.
I'm eyeing this to go with the new Fosi ZA3. It has a balanced input in addition to an RCA input. That means I can run my laptop and CD player into the DAC and the power amp allows that and my turntable. I wish DAC's were common with an analog in/out to handle a turn table, but at least this new amp from Fosi has two inputs with a manual switch.
Try listening a lot more carefully. Expensive DACs dont sound better than cheap DACs, excluding crappy R2R DACS which are basically junk.
Can we please call this the MOOSE?
Downfall, looks like it doesn’t have the RCA output
It does but you need 3.5mm to RCA cable.
Shame it's not in a generic sized (1ru height) enclosure so it stacks well on other components but that's just me being a fusspot (no pun intended).
So many Dacs. Nothing special about any of them. At least this one isn't comprised of the usual chip suspects. I'm sure it sounds like the rest though, just my opinion. Dacs for days!!
are you trying to imitate Zeus' style?
Great review , well not. Can somebody -please show WTF the unboxing looks like without hiding how they are eventually powering this MF? The manual is crap as found at the SMSL site.
Says you can't use a usb-c fast charger but needs 3Watts WTF. What do you need to properly power this thing Help. Your review was Great , but every body skips the unboxing.
Currently unavailable at Amazon. Is this DAC really that good?
Please, review Creative soundblaster x5!
No subwoofer out?
Shitty day at work my friend I can only get here now
My viñtage stuff does not pop and hide really
Heey Randy. Would you please take a look at the fiio KA5 dongle dac? It too uses cirrus logic dac chips and seems an interesting product for a lot of people, including me. Pleeasee🥹🙏🫶