They pay tax on the electricity they use to fuel the bike though. Shits ridiculous. Such a power/ money grab. Shocking how incompetent the Californian politicians are when there state is literal hell on earth right now they’re concerned with Bicycles
@@UltraBrian a good cyclist can maintain 25mph easily. I used to race road bikes myself, it’s easy to see 35-40mph on your speedometer on a racing road bike.
@@The_Game_Is_The_Game it's impressive actually, hearing "on your left" while they effortlessly cruise on by leaving me in their wake with a "thank you" as they race away....
Florida was the first stupid state to ban Ebikes in Biscayne bay after that kid ran into that old lady and killed her., Florida is the wild west and started all this.
I am 60 years old and I recently bought an eBike. Its a 750w bike w/ pedals. I need to get to work in the mornings, its my only means of income. Where i live there are several steep hills I have to go up & over, I live in Humboldt county in the mountains. I originally bought a 500w ebike but it didn't have the power to get up them damn hills even when i pedaled. Here it was 2:45am & I was crawling up all those hills, same hills I share with bears & mountain lions. The 750w bike gets me up those hills faster & I don't have to leave the house @ 2:45am, i can now leave @ 3:15am & I don't feel like I've participated in a triathlon every morning before getting to work. Did i mention that I'm 60 yrs old? If they change or tske away my transportation, how will i make a living until i can retire? The few have ruined California for the rest of us, no flavored tobacco & no way for me to get to work.
You are a trooper, glad it is working for you! Check out Motor Goat V3 if you want an upgrade...the Goat bikes are 1,000 - 3,000 Watt, up to 45mph, $1,600 to 3,500 USD, SILENT direct drive motors (no noisy gears) choice of one or two wheel drive. The Goat bikes are the best bang for the buck in the moped style...also the step thru FREEDOM CRUISER is strong at 1,000 watt motor and priced around $2,000 USD Saw a new battery pack for the Goat for super extended range was $1,600 and added 52lb.....sky is the limit there! LOL Have fun riding, I still ride my Harley and bicycles too, yeah I'm 69!!! I'm gonna get a WIRED FREEDOM or WIRED CRUISER or MAYBE the Motor Goat V3 with one motor and BIG battery. If the State says no I'll figure out a way to title insure and tag it! I've got a 250cc KTM XCFW race bike that I insured and tagged....it can be done! LOL
I feel ya. I'm on a fixed income at the moment and I'll tell you from experience that if you don't have transportation to look for work or get groceries you are basically screwed! Now they want to tax and license bicyclists? Screw California and all its nickel and diming us to death. I'm trying my darndest to get off the oil teet and the expense of owning and operating a vehicle and they come along and go after bikes? Pretty soon they'll convince the idiots of this legislature to ban walking on the grass or breathing too much air!
You’d have to get the most powerful motor option in the trike tricycle area and by doing that given your a 60 year old and aren’t a child waiting to pop a wheelie you will face zero hassle if you were an elderly gentlemen going to work on an electric tricycle an electric tricycle is the most unassuming mode of these electric transportation genres sir that would be my best advice hope that helps mind you an electric tricycle which there is one that goes 20 mph on the marker is the option if you ultimately only care for an electric way of travel with zero hassle from authorities so if it came down to it they can’t really deem electric trikes for easier elderly transportation catered for adults to have any interference in the future laws you know and realize and imagine how much of a jerk a cop would look like if he decided to pull an elderly citizen going to work that’s 60 years old on an electric tricycle haha I doubt any cop would dare do that 😂 an then at that point you could always say I have a bad knee or something to that effect you could say anything to the effect as to why your age an your bodies ailments require you to use the machine to get to work or one place to another :)
All the idiots playing in traffic and harassing and zipping through pedestrians is why this happened. To many fools played the little wheelie suicide swerve game and messed it up for everybody. It is almost like they asked for it.
Kinda... everything you said plus, they cant just police the idiots or the fools without breaking their woke rules. So instead the Karen's need to blanket the hole industry to control,tax, and fine for our dollars and freedoms.. frigin democrats.
very true... I have been riding my mtb daily as my inly means of transportation and I always see many clowns on ebikes weaving in and out of traffic on the actual car lanes instead of using the designated bike lanes
People hated MTBs before e-Bikes were around. When E-MTBs came out, people were rude to anyone who rode them. Apparently its human nature to harass and get worked up over what others do. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter what a person is riding or doing, folks simply hate when others exercise their liberty in ways they aren't. Laws strip citizens of liberties, which is tyranny. The problem isn't the type of bike someone rides or how they ride it, the problem is tyrant Karen's who need a sense of control and power.
It’s California, they will enforce it. When have they ever passed on a chance to tax or ticket? They aren’t able to stop street takeovers or violent crimes, but best believe, they won’t pass on taking money from poor and working class Californians.
The rules used to limit a class A eBike to a 350 watt hub motor, and 20 mph What happened to that? The streets are now full of 10 year olds riding 35 mph electric motorcycles, splitting lanes and not following any traffic laws.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying just don’t be stupid and you won’t have any trouble. 750 watts is often not enough from the torque perspective and may not be enough to get up a hill. I can understand a speed limiter being mandated, but motor wattage is a useless metric.
My son and I Were cruising around the park the other day when a cop drove by. He just waved and kept patrolling. My son was riding on the Ebox Dragster and I was on a Ghostcat Dupe. Im sure the cops don't worry about you unless you're doing something stupid.
Yeah it's the ability that they can that's the problem just that power alone changes everything it's basically a form of harassment they can use legally wherever they feel the need Also they don't give an alternative like registration rendering several legally bought electric bikes now illegal it's bull crap if they actually cared registration is the route they would take it should be free too honestly obviously some people need these laws but its total Bs for one all custom bikes are illegal now for my understanding that ruins it for all diyers and just the educational drive behind building custom dies with these laws
I'm from Hawaii - I think it's so cringey and weird how many people hate California online 🤷🏽♂️ it's an online trend and its like some folks are kind of brainwashed into hating a giant state 😅 Also funny how people moved out of the state the last couple years all proud not realizing they helped purge the state of a lot of whiners 🤣
@@rickeykoga2312 Plenty of good reasons to hate California. For example how they handle shoplifters, how the state handles fires, how the state handles the housing crisis, etc. Personally California lost its what in the early 2000's. If that upsets you then go cry it out. Don't care.
I saw a video of some guy lane splitting sunbathers on a socal beach with some moped ebike that went 40 … this has been coming. East coast too. They are heavy and fast and people are stupid.
"Stunt riders" don't ride electric bicycles, they ride electric motorcycles or pedal powered BMX or DJers. None of which are impacted by this new law. Having contempt and applauding laws to strip others of liberties while being completely ignorant of what your trying to address is top-tier Karen tyranny. Good job targeting the wrong scapegoats 👍 👏
"To ban PEV's because fools use them is to tell the law abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless."
In Australia here it's 500 W In our state up from 250 Mine is supposed too be 750 W I need it heaps of hills But I never have any problems Don't ride a clown 🤡 and all good Pass the cop's all the time 😮
The town where I live in NY state they passed a law that nobody under the age of 16 is allowed to operate any motorized vehicle on any public road or trail. It didn't stop all the problems, but it sure cut the problems and accidents down a lot.
I am a 70 year-old senior citizen that uses my ebike to get around town And get out and exercise. I live in miami yes I have to be careful. But I am responsible enough to do just that being safe as possible And respect others on the road. I thought that politicians and lawmakers was concerned about air pollution and cutting down on fossil fuel BS. I guess that's why they overregulated the auto industry With all the electronic gadgets and safety features which are supposed to cut down on pollution and fuel consumption. All it did was causes cars and trucks to be Over priced Where the average hard working tax paying citizen can afford them. But then ebikes came along and they told us that we could purchase them and they would be considered bicycles because of the low power electric motors. So some of us scraped up our pennies and bought them. And a decent e-bike is not necessarily cheap When you live paycheck to paycheck. And now that we have purchased them They are trying to find ways to tax us already. They always come after the low hanging fruit Law abiding taxpaying citizens. That are too busy trying to survive than to make a big fuss. But at the same time if you live in miami Look like they would be going after the unauthorized motorized dirt bikes and huge ATV running around taken over our streets terrorizing motorist and pedestrians literally shutting down intersections at will and turning them into their own little private race tracks. Why law abiding citizen sit there in their overpriced cars stuck until these little terrorist decided to let us move. And a lot of the time police won't even respond because our law makers Tie their hands In the name of safety what a crack of shit. So we will go after the low hanging fruit those slow moving E. bikes With people who are trying to get to work are get around town. Because public transportation is dangerous. And so is walking because you gotta be looking over your shoulders all the time. Because of all the drug addicts and mental patients and criminals on the streets. My safety is being on my e-bike moving. Anyway Im beginning to ramble so people stand up and fight these new laws. Because only criminals in the end will have E. bikes and guns to rob us and get away faster. When we bought them you said they would be bicycles so let them remain bicycles.
Something needs to happen to keep people causing accidents .. I lived near beach in San Diego and was crazy how many near accidents were caused by packs of kids and teens flying through stop signs and zero regard for traffic
@@overciy9thquadrant992 legislation I believe is what they are suggesting, but yeah run with your assumption if it helps you believe that people are bad...
So many "near accidents" but none that you've actually seen, correct? Laws strip citizens of their liberty, which makes you happy, doesn't it? There were already ordinances to hold unsafe riders accountable...
@ near like feet from my car several times and others , also speeding in traffic no helmet down major roads with traffic .. I am not a risk averse person and actually ride e-bikes like a maniac myself .. I’ve got honked at and scolded and if I was a teenager would be worse . There should be sensible rules depending on the WATTs .. it’s a new technology like drones so had no regulations.
I think the companies making the more powerful bikes are going to start making them without pedals, with vin numbers on the motor so it can be easy to just register them as mopeds or motorcycles you are pretty much going to have to have a M1 or M2 license to bypass this BS.
The bottomline . A bike under 750 watts is going to have problems with hills and grades, they stall. The batteries under 48vdc 20ah will run out of power faster and the range is under 40 miles that means 20 miles going 20 miles coming home. So local riding might be fine but the distance will be affected. You cannot ride safely on streets because the cars go by you at 40 MPH so expect to get hit. The side of the road is not good in many places and road debris is also a problem. Most have no mirrors so you won't see what hits you. These cars are 3 feet from you going 40 mph. The cars parked on the shoulder push you into the street . Your not like a car which moves with traffic . Robbing you of speed will increase accidents. California law has damaged their own program promoting their use.
Screw Gavin. This is what is going to happen. The city police department's, primarily near the beach will be on the hunt. I talked to a good friend of mine that works at a department that also covers the beach. The sheriff's departments are too busy with the silly laws that Gavin passed. The S.O.'s are hunting criminals, not ebike violations. Live free!
*im in germany where laws are worse, no throttle, and can only go like 25mph. i added a wireless switch to my ebike. it always starts with the throttle off, i can enable it with the switch, so far its been ok*
Ive never owned an e bike but 20 years ago I got a wreckless and evading ticket on my road bike in Northridge and still proud of that! Ive gotten more tickets on my bicycles than driving in my 50 yrs of living.
@@MingusDew_Bebop Fr man it's a joke, they can't tax the fking bicycles, Germany for example is a joke state, they take your driving licence because 'if you can't behave on a bicycle, then why entrust you a car?' Npc world brah
Good video! I live in San Francisco and cops don't want to waste their time writing up paperwork on bike related stuff (or anything else for that matter (unless you are messing up our tourist-related money). In Alameda County across the Bay, they have real crime to deal with so they don't care about bikes either (unless you're crime-ing on a bike), But if you are in San Mateo or Marin Counties where there is no real crime they may have more time to chase around people on ebikes.
This is such a high level video, so much intelligent accurate information. The clips from the media, how they are reporting it, the street interviews of the public's opinion, the bike shop owner, and the video creators opinion. So much to chew on 🤓 Really love the screenshots of your research and sidebar information about the other factors that might not be so obvious to the viewers (like looking up the average property values to give more context). The ability to comment on the topic too with personal experience is such amazing bonus.
Hello, professional bike mechanic here that has been in the industry for 7+ years. You can blame the individuals who ride their ebikes too fast thus causing crashes. Not saying every person with an ebike does that, but many definitely do. I ride the silver strand quite often and the amount of people (mainly kids) going 28mph is a recipe for disaster. FYI, the average speed of road bikers on the silver strand is 18mph. In my opinion, the most power anyone ever needs from an electric bicycle is that of a Class1 (up to 20mph, pedal assist only). Anything beyond class1 is unnecessary. This is the truth most ebikers don't want to hear.
I’m 15 and I just need need my e-bike which goes 35 mph to commute to school. I know it’s considered illegal but I stay in the bike lane, stop at the lights, slow down near turns, and all other safety precautions like wearing helmets and gloves, but I still have to watch out for cops because all it takes is a cop with nothing better to do to get my bike taken away from me. And it’s not like I can just get a ‘legal’ bike, this 35 mph bike was the cheapest option I had. I spent everything I had been saving on this bike so having it taken away from me and being impounded is just not an option for me.
Sorry, I’m calling BS on you. A 35mph eBike is not the cheapest option for a bike ride to school. First of all you don’t need an eBike. Get yourself out of bed a little earlier and ride a pedal bike like I did when I was in school. Don’t be a wimp.
The problem isn't pedal assisted bikes, it's people getting emotos thinking that they are the same thing as an ebike. Too many people think the because it electric instead of ICE that the laws are different. Some companies even offer pedal kits for some emotos to try and fall under the current classes. That is why thing have gotten much more specific. They try to claim class 3 because of the 28mph, but class 3 is pedal assisted with no throttle..
The shop owner was happy due to the fact that it cuts out the competition from the direct ship ebike market. The main problem with this is they changed the wording to be 750w max for ebikes. Depending on how it gets interpretated, then technically any ebike with a 500w motor would not be classified as an ebike. Most 500w motors can peak up to 840w. The watage and throttle should have nothing to do with it. There should just be speed limit just as with cars. You speed and get caught, you get a ticket simple as that. But that is not why we are getting all these new restrictions. I believe the true reason for these new laws (and more will come) is lobbyists for the big car companies. This newer generation has grown/growing up with social media/instant gratification status and electric vehicles & Uber/Lyft. Owning a gas powered car is not as important to them. This hurts in the sales of said vehicles. Oil & car companies will do alot of things to get people back into the market. PEVs are a threat to the car industry's pocketbook and they don’t take it lightly. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Its been like that in the uk for years, the throttle bit is just an easy way of them not needing to test them before they take them from you. And they always do the minute they see a throttle, thats why i just dont stop now.
I’m 43 and sometimes I commute to work 18 miles away, I need to have a ebike instead of a normal bike due to poor circulation in my legs and it’s less tiring than pedaling only. They need to make more bike lanes with some sort of barriers. Cars are sometimes parked in bike lanes forcing me to go street or sidewalk to pass them. I wear full face motorcycle helmet since I’m scared of falling and might get a head injury.
A lot of the changes are good, but a $25 fine is a joke! Someone might have to skip their Starbucks trip to cover that 🤣 I think what's missing is regulation for people who want to use high powered ebikes as an alternative for commuting. Rather than trying to force them off the road, make a space for them to travel legally. We're supposed to care about the environment right?
Do not under estimate a mere 25$ fine because I have seen people get really angry and argue with meter maids over a simple parking ticket for a car. People do not like paying fines or go through the motion of the entire process just to pay said fine.
in my country its like that: if u have to pedal to make it ride and it doesnt go over 30kph or so its a e-bike if it has a throttle and /or goes 45kph or under its an e-moped wich requires registration, insurance and plates and the Moped(AM License)(the motor is only allowed to help to certain speed so if the motor stops assisting at 30kph its a e-bike if it goes further its a moped) if it goes over 45kph its electric motor cycle that requires registration as a motorcycle, plates, insurance and the A Licence
It's interesting that a motorcycle is being pushed as an e-bike. The Federal definition is very clear as to what is and isn't one. So let's go over it: An electric assist bicycle is defined as a two wheeled or three wheeled device primarily designed to be propulsed by use of pedals and some sort of transmission system, usually a series of sprockets and chains. It also includes an electric motor which can be co-located with the front sprocket, along the chain, or in the front or rear hub. The motor activation will co-inside with the forward movement of the device. Assistance is limited to three classes: Class 1. This class is limited to assist only and has no throttle. Power is limited to a maximum of 1/2 HP or 450w. Speed will be limited to 20 MPH/32 kph maximum. At that speed, assist will automatically disable. Various levels of assist can be provided but are not required. Class 2. As above but includes a manual throttle. Such devices must not be able to move without pedaling first. Class 3. As with Class 1, but power levels increase to a maximum of 1HP or 750 w. Speeds increase to 28 MPH. Anything that exceeds these limits fall under either a Motor-Pedal (MoPed) or a low-power motorcycle. California has only applied the Federal definition in a strict manner. Also, these definitions do NOT apply to bicycles with auxiliary gasoline power.
One of the real challenges e-Bikes has introduced is that they are entering the range of lower powered motorcycles but the rider is not required to be licensed nor required to be educated on the rules of the road, nor how to properly ride and control the bike.
I think that's why they missed the mark here - they should have required registration and certification instead of a ban. They hurt customers and ebike companies without really solving the actual problem. Now, only the most reckless will still ride on the roads and the responsible folks will follow the rules 😂 They also could have raked in some revenue from all this. Welp, this was frustrating but not surprising - thanks a lot SurRon douchebags
Even in Georgia, I have to at least have a drivers license to ride my moped. It'd be crazy to get passed by a kid on a E-Bike when I'm limited to 35 MPH.
@@habib2482 So many of these new eBikes, particularly of the Sur-Ron class, are really electric motorcycles without any of the safety requirements. Because of the electric motors, they are no longer what we consider a traditional human-powered bicycle. Therefor, they need to be reconsidered for basic safety and licensing requirements. I don't know where the cut-off should be, but you can't ride a moped without a license and a helmet (at least in California), why can you ride a 40+ mph eBike without nay restrictions?
All these laws in California it’s not worth owning one nowadays California always seems to have the most strictest laws . You can’t do this you can’t do that… too many restrictions. It Takes the fun out of it. But there are people out there that ruined it for everybody that ride like idiots. Which caused them to put laws into place. I get it. So John Hicks you’re not gonna be able to ride on the street anymore in Los Angeles with those kind of surrons that you ride ?
He will still be able to ride, but he'll probably need a motorcycle license, registration and insurance, and he might no longer be able to go places where bicycles can go.
California recently published a list of recommended ebikes for their scam rebate program. All of the bikes I could find near me are around 1500 to 2000 dollars. for class 1 class 2 are over 2000 dollars. I couldn't even find class 3's listed. With the new laws these ebikes are only going to even higher.
the whole new initiatives is just to push businesses that sell "legal" ebikes at insane prices. A $800 ebike from china will work better and go faster then a $3000 ebike will.
Rad Power Bikes Rad Wagon 5 is on their list of approved bikes as it goes 28mph and has a throttle. CA is idiotic, just shows how much they don't know, they have an approved bike on their list for their incentive program yet they consider it illegal.
They already "adopted industry standard" classifications in the first e-bike law in 2015. That didn't change. SB-1271 (2025) isn't much different than SB-1096 (2015), - just the emphasis on battery safety and seller responsibility to ensure the sale of legal e-bikes, and ensure modifications cannot be made without the e-bike becoming illegal. And the addition of a walk mode.
8:25 that’s brings up an interesting point - isn’t it a violation on my property right not to use my property as I wish? If I am on private land, under the statutes in my state, I can operate it on the dirt and beyond 20 mph. I.e. on my land or as a guest on private land those laws specifically don’t apply. Even drunk drinking requires operation on a public way. I can drive in circles tanked on my own land. We have had similar changes on the East coast - 750 max motor 20 mph the throttle is safe for now. One cape cod town which has a bikeway recently has a meeting about them. They are heavy, people get injured… still as one member noted No one pays attention to the 15 mph speed limit and the ones who cause the worse crashes are the Tour de France wannabes not the cruisers on their e-bikes.
I'm 57 with a disability and use a super 73 to get out, exercise and enjoy nature.I go 20 mph on trails and only go 28+ on deserted roads around my neighborhood. I think I will just give up this hobby. I'm tired of having to always look over my shoulder for cops or Karens. I cant just enjoy my ride without the feeling of lurking dread just aound the corner. Thanks Gavin Newsom!👎
super 73 is sold as an offroad ebike so idk why the person suing thinks that they have any legal rights when it was never sold to be ridden on the streets and even then its still legal to ride on the streets in regular mode
@@MCodger yes but if they get sued that's the riders fault for riding where it's not supposed to. That's like selling an airplane for flying but you put wheels on it and drive it on the road. Not its sold intended purpose
As a person the lives in Imperial Beach CA and goes to school in Coronado I ride my e-bike up to there all the time and the biggest thing that I noticed is that there are so many cops there and they have nothing better to do than pull kids over on an e-bike that are riding in the bike lane also most of the kids can’t even reach the ground on the bikes so some of these rules are needed.
Everyone keeps saying it's just a cash grab but not offering anymore than that. So tired of seeing this crap all over the place. We have these idiots kids in larges groups flying down our streets all the damn time with no protection and/or no concern for pedestrians or cars. Their parents are doing anything about it so of course the state would have to put a law in place. These terrible parents need to do better but they won't because they don't care. They want those knuckleheads kids out of the house. I am a mountain biker and I do have a 2020 Specialized Levo SL which is category 1 low power e-bike. Note, these same kids are tearing up the trails throttling their way through it. As for modifications, you essentially chip your bike to remove the 20 mph restriction. I believe that's what they are talking about. You can pedal over 20 mph but the motor will not assist once you hit 20. Sure, you can go to a dealership, buy a new porche and drive away with it at high speed. The difference if you're licensed with plates on that car. These kids are riding 'e-bikes" with throttles and are not licensed to do so.
I used to ride my ten speed faster than most of the class three electric bikes. I learned and followed the rules of the road and understood and accepted the risks involved with riding in traffic. I had many close calls with motorists who simply never saw me or were distracted by something going on in the car. I knew early on that I had to be more attentive than the others I was sharing the road with. I've been riding bikes since I was 6 and motorcycles since I was 16 and I'm alive and well at 60. So, it can be done, but there are too many idiots in the world today who can't walk and chew gum that are totally distracted by their cell phones! We always pay for the one person who blatantly ignores the rules and common sense and pisses off the rich Karens of the world who have the money and connections to get their way and screw the masses out of their freedoms. Life isn't safe and we need to discuss things first before banning everything!
They ebike too close to me (pedestrian) as they cut corners or ignore stop signs. They are the ones at fault for not riding properly. They cut through peoples' yards and even ride through flower or shrubbery beds as if it is their right. The motor gives them a bigger "ego" when riding so they ride more like assholes now.
I'm sure motorcycle riders like myself want a special highway too numb nuts. I actually pay registration fees. So what now? Make me a motorcycle highway.
People commute on one wheels and scooters, dont see why this wont fall far from that jurisdiction. Realistically, its kiddies like surronster and lilman fucking shit up for everyone else. Altho scene aint as big in norcal as socal, its mostly chill.
Your analogy of the Porsche 911 breaks. Exceeding 90 mph will get you a ticket. But they have not been detained because 911s ride on streets. But 28 mph on winding bike paths is quite hazardous.
I've almost been hit walking on sidewalk when person goes flying by on ebike several times. I'm a daily on a liter ninja, these are not bicycles, they are electric motorcycles and should be plated and registered period unless class 1.
Its a good law and I am glad CA has amended it. Too many large and powerful ebikes are purchased and are illegally been ridden on many CA trails. Ebike trail use violations in SoCal are everywhere, including running lights, stop signs and excessive speeds over 30 MPH or more in a 20 MPH max zone. Level 3 bikes are being illegally used on many level 1 trails in CA.
I moved dafuq out of California after living there for 50 years. I moved to Kentucky. I live up in the Appalachian mountains and our streets over here are called hollers. Our holler is 10 miles long. what’s cool about living here is that you can drive any off-road vehicle in our Holler and the law won’t give a shit. They think my Surron is “cute”. 😂 but even in our city, they don’t mind if you ride motorized/electric bicycles. Throttle or not. The laws here are more laxed. And to add to that the cost-of-living is Hella cheap
You obviously don't know ow sh*t bout what cali is doing and how it's run into the damn ground people are leaving so they can afford to live, be safe and just drive a damn car or truck without being harassed...even constitutional rights! You call people whiners no theyre smart for leaving that dump🤡
@ ummm, ok. If you are replying to my comment, you obviously misunderstood what I was saying. Basically the same thing as what you just said. And as for saying that I don’t know shit about California, I do. That is why I moved out. The people there are getting ass raped financially. Pretty much the same thing that you said in your comment . However, if you were not replying to my comment and made a mistake, then disregard.
I love how you buy something and down the road a law gets passed making it illegal where was this when the bikes came out oh everybody didn't have one yet so we will wait till they do. A very good point made is why have cars not been Governed because if they were Traffic Tickets would have been obsolete a long time ago its like what was said earlier ITS A CASH GRAB just like everything else Traffic
Surrons are not ebikes, they're electric motorcycles and should be regulated as such (meaning license, registration, insurance requirement and restricted to roads and motorized trails).
We Ebikers are our own worst enemy, we knew that these crack down were coming, but you cannot tell this to your riding buddies unless you want disagreements or confrontations with other riders, because they just have to be stunters while riding. Wheelies on the road, crashing in the street while cars are driving on the same streets. Crashing into parked cars or cars at stop lights and then fleeing the scene. As much as I love riding ebikes and I am not happy that these changes are happening, but we have to be real about how this came about. Mr. Hicks I disagree with you on not having those issues in LA, because that is where it all started, with LA E SK8. But the biggest contradiction I see in California is that you go in the cities and see naked women walking all over the street which is indecent exposure and even could receive sex offense charges of such behavior, but here we are dealing with ebikes.
Simple thoughts, there are definitely geared towards stopping ebikes/emotos like the Surrons, Talarias, etc... Oregon is trying to adopt similar legislation in that they are trying to prevent legal class 3 ebikes from being in bike lanes as well. The ironic part for me is this "crackdown" for the safety of the pedestrians, when have they ever cared about the safety of pedestrians. What happens when a driver hits a pedestrian, it's explained away, let go as a warning, etc... Drivers aren't even held responsible for hitting pedestrians and doing a helluva a lot more harm than any ebike will, yet they are trying to ban ebikes. Ebikes are just a fraction of the issue car drivers are.
Class one 20 mph top speed pedal assist only, class two 20 mph top speed with a thumb or twist throttle and pedal assist, class three 28 mph top speed with speed with a thumb or twist throttle top speed of 20 mph and pedal assist top speed of 28 mph. All are legal electric bicycles. Surron, E-RidePro, Talaria are all off-road electric motorcycles and are not legal to ride on the road or bike lanes. The Police can impound them at any time. It is like riding an off-road internal combustion motorcycle on the road or sidewalks, it is illegal. I own an E-RidePro SS first generation and I will not ride it on the road or on the bike paths, especially in Redondo Beach, Hermosa Beach and Manhattan Beach, they will impound your bike even if you ride slower than 20 mph and wear a helmet, they don’t care, illegal is illegal.
I am a cyclist, primarily mountain bike. I have ridden a few e-bikes (Class 1), and my wife owns one, and a few of the "bikes" that will be affect by this change in legal definition in California. Coming in HOT! The information he (or "you" if OP reads this, which I greatly doubt) gives at the VERY start regarding class one e-bike is WRONG (high price d/t low wt, etc.) It is because they HAVE to be PEDALLED to operate (aka: move at all). The motor assists the rider, and you can build a decently priced one for a low cost for commuting (about $800 US), I've seen em. Class 1 (one) in California is what is known as a pedelec around most of of the world, again this means to move they require the use of the pedals. THIS is why the "BAN". Anything else is a motor bike, or at best a MOPED. The rough legal definition of a motorbike, in most jurisdictions, is it is propelled primarily (like 95%) by a "motor": there is an energy source (fuel, battery, compressed farts...) that allows a motor to create ALL the POWER (outside of wind, gravity, the initial push off...maybe... to shut down the trolls) that allows it to move. MOPEDS are all this with the possibility of assisting the motor by pedalling, but not much, under 30% is the usual amount, if its even specified. The flip side, trying to ONLY pedal a moped (the old gas ones from the 60's to 80's esp) SUUUCKS. All these fat tired "E-BIKES" are actually electric mopeds (lots of friction, and super heavy, like +>70#). Most cyclist (people who regularly ride bicycles of any sort) refer to as BSO's (bike shaped objects). THIS is why the legal changes, because a ridiculous # of mopeds / motorcycles are being sold as BIKES, and yes skirting all sort of laws and taxes as a result. Hell the new Seguay "e-bikes" don't even have padals as far as I can tell they are just ELECTRIC MOTOR BIKES. I know moto guys call their rides, including Harleys etc. bikes but that's a hold over because the FIRST motorcycles were literally bicycles with motors attached. Legally a BIKE has to be powered primarily by the rider. My counter argument: Demand this, pedelecs designed for commuter / road usage should have a 32 mph / 51kph (not the current 20mph 32 Kph) speed limit to make them useful, and an actual vehicle alternative. In some places like most of europe its 16mph / 25kph WTF! .Outside of special use; like mountain biking, where the 20mph / 32kph limit makes all kinds of sense (speaking as an high level mountain biker. If you read thanks. And lobby for that change!
Agreed, the e-bike belongs to the owners property but to modify the item results in the expiration of warranty and thus the manufacture cannot be held liable for any damages or injuries to may happen. Same affects the misuse. Of course in the state of Cali where it's so liberal they need to come up with new restrictions to minimize the risk. btw, they should also legislate for kids not being on the internet before the age of..., idk, cuz they are not able to handle it, lol.
I predicted this 5 years ago that the law would come down with the ban hammer of ebikes, I'm sad this is happening to our community of PEVs as micro-mobility was the answer to traffic, pollution & limited parking in LA.
You can own a muscle car but still follow the speed limit. Those who have drivers licenses should be given tickets if they speed. I'm 62, I need the power to go up hills and stay on longer.
In my town the ebikes were imbraced and welcome at first. Then hordes of youth started rolling around from the town over, wrong side of the tracks kind of thing. Now our town has become a graffiti vandalized powder keg. One of those poor kids is going to get killed by road rage or pure accident and everything is going to hell.
Use lithium iron phosphate batteries for E Bikes. Safer and less prone to inadvertence meaning. Charging issues, quality control, thermal runaway. Or E Bike batteries with solid state electrolyte.
This is what will happen when you no longer have what was considered an e-bike: You'll pay DMV fees Pay annual registration fees Pay for insurance to ride Have to get a moto designation on your drivers license Put a plate on the back of your bike Have to have it approved by a State Inspector which will be another fee Pay for a title Obey all traffic laws and that means stopping at all stop signs and no riding on sidewalks or cutting thru private property like gas stations or restaurants, etc
Not just California. Read the fine print for every state. You can Google the law in Kansas. And although legal. If it has a throttle, you can’t ride it on the bike only bike pads. And only class one is allowed everywhere.
the car analogy isn't apoplectically, you have to have a licence, plate, and insurance, if you have a bike licence, plate and insurance for the ebike, you can have as much power as you want!
I have been riding an Ebike since 2019. I was the first person in my city to ride one. Well, I got an upgrade kit for my existing two wheeled recumbent. A 48v 500w direct drive hub motor. And it moves me along nicely. I can top out at 20mph on flat ground, with a light load. But normally I cruise at about 14mph. Which is just fine with me. Now as for battery fires, that's a simple one. Each Ebike battery has what is called a BMS, or Battery Maintenance System. Which controls the current, during charging and discharging. The charger for my Ebike batter is a 2amp hour charger. But I fear that most fires are started by people using a higher amperage charger, who's BMS will not handle it. As far as I am concerned, any Ebike that can do 25+mph, even if it does have pedals, is an Electric Moped and you should need a license to ride it. Oh, and my Ebike has the PAS system, and a Throttle.
i build my battery self and choose like a 40 euro bms that gives me almost to many options. like voltage drop and short circuit protection. its 1.1kwh. i think its what quality bms they install and how the battery pack is build. Because if it is cheaply made and some little ding punctures a cel or shorts it that bms won't safe it. it only protects the collection of cels wired to it and the main + and - . If you look at the price of those cels you see how much the cost is of a battery pack to build. how much they make or how cheap they try to build them.
As a volunteer firefighter and e-bike enthusiast, in my sixties, my observations include that some folks have been taking their e-bikes into hotels (and presumably charging them). I feel that hotels should either prohibit the batteries from being stored inside their facilities or should clear this practice with their fire departments and disclose this practice to all consumers before they rent a room. I suspect that eventually, we will have a major incident of an e-bike fire in a hotel.
Big issue as well is the type of batteries used, I ride electric unicycles and the batteries we use are Samsung 50s cells, which have no batter fires reported ever since the wheels started using it. Also metal casing to avoid punctures and waterproofing to avoid water ingress, because the community is really harsh on the companies to push good safety features
One thing i agree with. Its not the people going to work, its the kids racing out of school throwing themselves right into the road . Basically electric moped.
I bought a motor goatV3 mostly so my son could ride it to school. We limit the speed to 20. I monitor It’s speed on my phone. My son has never broken the speed limit that we set. He’s called me and asked me if he could, but has been denied the permission. I give my children rules and set expectations properly on some things.
There are two wheel vehicles for every job. Bicycles with only pedal power. Legal BICYCLES or Scooters that are Electric. Mopeds and a real motorcycle with gasoline or Battery powered. You get however many of those you need or wish to use. You do not get to have one 2 wheeled vehicle that can be used legally for every purpose.
My ebike cost over $2,500. It has full suspension and hydraulic disk brakes, assisting up to 25 mph, with power walk mode. I can't leave it anywhere because I'm afraid someone will steal it 😂.
@@CheeseCream1205 that too I saw this coming years ago, where you have to have a registration sticker or something California always finds a way to cash in. What about fixing our streets and freeways they want us to take care of our vehicles, but they don’t take care of our roads. That’s another topic that irritates me. Where’s all the money going into the politicians pockets must be how they’re buying all these big mansions but they do nothing for the American people
No, the asshole ebikers caused the safety problems. There needs to be citations. The $25 fine doesn't mean much, but there needs to be impounding of the ebike for multiple violations causing threat of injury to other people.
I live in a small college town in Missouri and I have a talaria and I love the feeling of being able to ride around on the roads and zip onto a trail with no license. No insurance no registration no license plate no gas I hope the laws here don’t start tightening up like everywhere else because it’s just so much damn fun.
They can't even seem to enforce a lot of ricers and illegally lifted brodozers on road; does anyone seriously believe they will go after eBikes by significant amount?
As a "regular" cyclist, I don't mind sharing bike paths with "normal" e-bikes (no throttle, pedals, max speed about 25 mph. Basically: something that just looks and acts like an easier-to-ride version of a normal bike). It's when our infrastructure (which is supposed to protect us from motor vehicles) gets taken over by what are motorcycles-in-all-but-name that I worry. Use the roads if you want to have fun with them!
You brought up some good items to be considered. Kids riding around, hitting car windows, etc, making others feel unsafe. The problem that people as a whole, are having with ebikes & peddle bikes is this: bikes don't drive themselves (with the exception of a very few high-end techno bikes). It's the person operating them in a reckless & obnoxious way that should be dealt with... not the bike themselves. The same principle applies to guns and their owners versus criminals using a weapon when perpetrating a crime. The drawback to all of this hogwash is that too many people are lazy and just go with the flow that the Liberal nutjobs make/take when meeting out punishments. They don't use their minds but their overinflated egos & *feelings* when confronting issues like this. Yeah, people love to ban anything & everything they don't like rather than... is it dangerous to own & operate at a given age range. IMHO, an ebike that goes faster than 25/30 MPH should never be sold *for a person under 15 years of age to operate.* Motorized vehicles apart from dirt bikes should not be in a child's possession. Let them peddle their way to-n-from somewhere, or have someone drive them.
I hate the fact that I am 32 years old and I got an e-bike to go relax and go nature or just to relax and I can’t go anywhere because they don’t let us ride e-bikes anywhere. I want to ride in the riverbed I can’t I want in bike trails can’t. It takes away the point of me relaxing. I can’t always go Offroad trails and not all of us want to be crazy we just want to relax and enjoy the ride without being told we can’t ride
The problem with e-bikes is the idiots who won’t ride them responsibly and with due consideration for others. Even on my e-bike I tell others to ride properly and they don’t like it and won’t be told what to do. There are no consequences for them not to ride responsibly. So, no doubt sooner or later they will come with more restrictions and I am talking about e-bikes here in the UK where legal e-bikes are restricted to 250Ws, speeds 15.5mph and throttles to 3.7mph. There comes a point when an e-bike is no longer a bike and it really is a motorbike.
i have been riding Emtb and Eroadbike, all low powered non throttle bikes. My personal feeling is issues are going to rise on paths where people are using ebikes but going way too fast. That will cause issues down the road. As for the street, I see issues where people are riding on the sidewalks on throttle powered ebikes. For me, I do not get why we have not changed to classify ebikes with a throttle classified as a E-moped that has to be registered and has to obey the rules of the road
Why would this dude claim this is a ban? High-powered e-bikes are not banned, they are just not classified anymore as "bicycles." You will always be able to buy a high-powered bike but you will have to treat it like a comparable gas-powered bike, like a moped. It may have to be licensed and cannot be ridden in pedestrian areas. It is not a f'n ban. The point is to protect pedestrians.
Government said "ppl traveling around without paying tax? Shut that shit down!."
They pay tax on the electricity they use to fuel the bike though. Shits ridiculous. Such a power/ money grab. Shocking how incompetent the Californian politicians are when there state is literal hell on earth right now they’re concerned with Bicycles
😂😂😂😂😂
So fn true
...brother, even at full speed of 28mph on my e-bike, most cyclists are blowing right by me. It's not speed it's douchebag behavior....
How?
@@UltraBrian a good cyclist can maintain 25mph easily. I used to race road bikes myself, it’s easy to see 35-40mph on your speedometer on a racing road bike.
@@The_Game_Is_The_Game it's impressive actually, hearing "on your left" while they effortlessly cruise on by leaving me in their wake with a "thank you" as they race away....
@@The_Game_Is_The_Game Yea, but you’re riding a bike that wamwighs less then 25 pounds.
california always passing the dumbest shit. as always
You not seen the new car service permit in Australia? You need to pay 400 Aussie to do an oil change on private property
@@antonyjharper31what do you mean?
Read a book chud.
@@marsbase3729that person said you're slow 😮😢
Florida was the first stupid state to ban Ebikes in Biscayne bay after that kid ran into that old lady and killed her., Florida is the wild west and started all this.
Cars hurt a lot of people. I think California should outlaw them.
That's the point of 15 minute cities
@@ScottBowman19total control of everything including us
You jest, but that’s the plan.
Thankfully Trump won, and Newsome is about to get absolutely reamed.
You're completely wrong and misinformed @@marimercy14.
15min cities just make it easier to walk and bike. You can still own a car.
@2WheelsGood.01 go back to sleep
I am 60 years old and I recently bought an eBike. Its a 750w bike w/ pedals. I need to get to work in the mornings, its my only means of income. Where i live there are several steep hills I have to go up & over, I live in Humboldt county in the mountains. I originally bought a 500w ebike but it didn't have the power to get up them damn hills even when i pedaled. Here it was 2:45am & I was crawling up all those hills, same hills I share with bears & mountain lions. The 750w bike gets me up those hills faster & I don't have to leave the house @ 2:45am, i can now leave @ 3:15am & I don't feel like I've participated in a triathlon every morning before getting to work. Did i mention that I'm 60 yrs old? If they change or tske away my transportation, how will i make a living until i can retire? The few have ruined California for the rest of us, no flavored tobacco & no way for me to get to work.
You are a trooper, glad it is working for you!
Check out Motor Goat V3 if you want an upgrade...the Goat bikes are 1,000 - 3,000 Watt, up to 45mph, $1,600 to 3,500 USD,
SILENT direct drive motors (no noisy gears) choice of one or two wheel drive. The Goat bikes are the best bang for the buck in the moped style...also the step thru FREEDOM CRUISER is strong at 1,000 watt motor and priced around $2,000 USD
Saw a new battery pack for the Goat for super extended range was $1,600 and added 52lb.....sky is the limit there! LOL
Have fun riding, I still ride my Harley and bicycles too, yeah I'm 69!!!
I'm gonna get a WIRED FREEDOM or WIRED CRUISER or MAYBE the Motor Goat V3 with one motor and BIG battery.
If the State says no I'll figure out a way to title insure and tag it! I've got a 250cc KTM XCFW race bike that I insured and tagged....it can be done! LOL
I feel ya. I'm on a fixed income at the moment and I'll tell you from experience that if you don't have transportation to look for work or get groceries you are basically screwed! Now they want to tax and license bicyclists? Screw California and all its nickel and diming us to death. I'm trying my darndest to get off the oil teet and the expense of owning and operating a vehicle and they come along and go after bikes? Pretty soon they'll convince the idiots of this legislature to ban walking on the grass or breathing too much air!
*"Vote harder next time"*
Just kidding, you live in a incredulous and probably massively corrupt legislative nightmare run by psychopaths
You’d have to get the most powerful motor option in the trike tricycle area and by doing that given your a 60 year old and aren’t a child waiting to pop a wheelie you will face zero hassle if you were an elderly gentlemen going to work on an electric tricycle an electric tricycle is the most unassuming mode of these electric transportation genres sir that would be my best advice hope that helps mind you an electric tricycle which there is one that goes 20 mph on the marker is the option if you ultimately only care for an electric way of travel with zero hassle from authorities so if it came down to it they can’t really deem electric trikes for easier elderly transportation catered for adults to have any interference in the future laws you know and realize and imagine how much of a jerk a cop would look like if he decided to pull an elderly citizen going to work that’s 60 years old on an electric tricycle haha I doubt any cop would dare do that 😂 an then at that point you could always say I have a bad knee or something to that effect you could say anything to the effect as to why your age an your bodies ailments require you to use the machine to get to work or one place to another :)
All the idiots playing in traffic and harassing and zipping through pedestrians is why this happened. To many fools played the little wheelie suicide swerve game and messed it up for everybody. It is almost like they asked for it.
Kinda... everything you said plus, they cant just police the idiots or the fools without breaking their woke rules. So instead the Karen's need to blanket the hole industry to control,tax, and fine for our dollars and freedoms.. frigin democrats.
Sad but true lol
very true... I have been riding my mtb daily as my inly means of transportation and I always see many clowns on ebikes weaving in and out of traffic on the actual car lanes instead of using the designated bike lanes
If you think that's the reason you are mistaken
People hated MTBs before e-Bikes were around. When E-MTBs came out, people were rude to anyone who rode them. Apparently its human nature to harass and get worked up over what others do. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter what a person is riding or doing, folks simply hate when others exercise their liberty in ways they aren't.
Laws strip citizens of liberties, which is tyranny. The problem isn't the type of bike someone rides or how they ride it, the problem is tyrant Karen's who need a sense of control and power.
Im 43. Lol im not out here going crazy. I dont foresee them enforcing this unless someone is giving them reason to do so.
@@davidseck1146 only takes one idiot cop with nothing better to do
@PacificOceanQuest im just outside SF. Plenty of real work here for them, especially if the fines were minimal.
Facts. This is how i think of it too.
i pulled up to a cop in fresno on my modded talaria mx4 and he said he doesn't care as long as i'm not riding in traffic doing a wheelie.
It’s California, they will enforce it. When have they ever passed on a chance to tax or ticket?
They aren’t able to stop street takeovers or violent crimes, but best believe, they won’t pass on taking money from poor and working class Californians.
The rules used to limit a class A eBike to a 350 watt hub motor, and 20 mph What happened to that? The streets are now full of 10 year olds riding 35 mph electric motorcycles, splitting lanes and not following any traffic laws.
Thats a cali problem. Plenty of filthy rich parents living there.
Make it adults only instead of messing with the speed.
I can peddle faster then 20
Age limits .
@@RNGesusHIMSELF But it is mostly poor or middle class that ride them. Barely any rich riders.
I ride Electric Unicycle and witness this in California
@@markdove5930 exactly ,i can peddle a roadbike with no motor up to 30 mph
just don't give them a reason to pull you over and they most likely won't. most cops have better things to do.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying just don’t be stupid and you won’t have any trouble. 750 watts is often not enough from the torque perspective and may not be enough to get up a hill. I can understand a speed limiter being mandated, but motor wattage is a useless metric.
@@CarbonFiberEnthusiastand also that it is 750 max nominal. so peak can be as high as you want it.
@@CarbonFiberEnthusiast yeah the watts thing is completely irrelevant because doesn't take in peak power and power to weight ratio
@@ben_headley99 Additionally 750 watt motors may struggle to get up steeper hills cause they don’t produce as much torque as say a 2000 watt system.
Depends where you are and how you look
My son and I Were cruising around the park the other day when a cop drove by. He just waved and kept patrolling. My son was riding on the Ebox Dragster and I was on a Ghostcat Dupe. Im sure the cops don't worry about you unless you're doing something stupid.
whereabouts in ca?
Wait until the insurance guys start throwing money at politicians see what happens
I believe this until you get the wrong cop
Yeah it's the ability that they can that's the problem just that power alone changes everything it's basically a form of harassment they can use legally wherever they feel the need Also they don't give an alternative like registration rendering several legally bought electric bikes now illegal it's bull crap if they actually cared registration is the route they would take it should be free too honestly obviously some people need these laws but its total Bs for one all custom bikes are illegal now for my understanding that ruins it for all diyers and just the educational drive behind building custom dies with these laws
What's a ghostcat dupe? You talking about the ghostcat f3?
Glad i don't live in CA
I'm from Hawaii - I think it's so cringey and weird how many people hate California online 🤷🏽♂️ it's an online trend and its like some folks are kind of brainwashed into hating a giant state 😅
Also funny how people moved out of the state the last couple years all proud not realizing they helped purge the state of a lot of whiners 🤣
@@rickeykoga2312 They're doing it for a reason.. I would move to California JUST to move out again. You can keep it.
@@rickeykoga2312 you wouldn't understand because you also live in a liberal democrat state!
@@rickeykoga2312 Plenty of good reasons to hate California. For example how they handle shoplifters, how the state handles fires, how the state handles the housing crisis, etc. Personally California lost its what in the early 2000's. If that upsets you then go cry it out. Don't care.
I love e-bikes and have owned several. But people flying 30mph down sidewalks and walking trails are why these bans are happening.
I saw a video of some guy lane splitting sunbathers on a socal beach with some moped ebike that went 40 … this has been coming. East coast too. They are heavy and fast and people are stupid.
It was fine when the cities were making money for year's now that e-bikes are affordable it's a problem.😅
blame all the stunt riders who ruined for everyone else
"Stunt riders" don't ride electric bicycles, they ride electric motorcycles or pedal powered BMX or DJers. None of which are impacted by this new law.
Having contempt and applauding laws to strip others of liberties while being completely ignorant of what your trying to address is top-tier Karen tyranny. Good job targeting the wrong scapegoats 👍 👏
"To ban PEV's because fools use them is to tell the law abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless."
It wasn’t that it was the fires that did them in
California; don't drive ICE vehicles
Also, California; don't ride ebikes
Can't make this stuff up
You will walk, and you will be happy.
You can’t make this stuff up? And yet you just did. The vast majority of people in CA drive ICE vehicles and many, many, ride eBikes.
The 28 mph pedal assist and 20 mph throttle 750 watt motor e-bikes are still officially legal.
As long as it's not over 35Mph you should be good.
In Australia here it's 500 W In our state up from 250
Mine is supposed too be 750 W I need it heaps of hills
But I never have any problems
Don't ride a clown 🤡 and all good
Pass the cop's all the time 😮
The town where I live in NY state they passed a law that nobody under the age of 16 is allowed to operate any motorized vehicle on any public road or trail. It didn't stop all the problems, but it sure cut the problems and accidents down a lot.
I am a 70 year-old senior citizen that uses my ebike to get around town And get out and exercise. I live in miami yes I have to be careful. But I am responsible enough to do just that being safe as possible And respect others on the road. I thought that politicians and lawmakers was concerned about air pollution and cutting down on fossil fuel BS. I guess that's why they overregulated the auto industry With all the electronic gadgets and safety features which are supposed to cut down on pollution and fuel consumption. All it did was causes cars and trucks to be Over priced Where the average hard working tax paying citizen can afford them. But then ebikes came along and they told us that we could purchase them and they would be considered bicycles because of the low power electric motors. So some of us scraped up our pennies and bought them. And a decent e-bike is not necessarily cheap When you live paycheck to paycheck. And now that we have purchased them They are trying to find ways to tax us already. They always come after the low hanging fruit Law abiding taxpaying citizens. That are too busy trying to survive than to make a big fuss. But at the same time if you live in miami Look like they would be going after the unauthorized motorized dirt bikes and huge ATV running around taken over our streets terrorizing motorist and pedestrians literally shutting down intersections at will and turning them into their own little private race tracks. Why law abiding citizen sit there in their overpriced cars stuck until these little terrorist decided to let us move. And a lot of the time police won't even respond because our law makers Tie their hands In the name of safety what a crack of shit. So we will go after the low hanging fruit those slow moving E. bikes With people who are trying to get to work are get around town. Because public transportation is dangerous. And so is walking because you gotta be looking over your shoulders all the time. Because of all the drug addicts and mental patients and criminals on the streets. My safety is being on my e-bike moving. Anyway Im beginning to ramble so people stand up and fight these new laws. Because only criminals in the end will have E. bikes and guns to rob us and get away faster. When we bought them you said they would be bicycles so let them remain bicycles.
The government always ruining our fun
That is a state law, not a government law or legislation.
@@BlueDroneBlues yea State Law by State Government
DT will ruin our government within few days
Donald Trump will ruin our government soon.
@@BlueDroneBlues Government makes the laws
California is wack! We get e bikes/e scooters so we don't get our windows broken and our property stolen, and robbed by insurance companies, now this.
Something needs to happen to keep people causing accidents .. I lived near beach in San Diego and was crazy how many near accidents were caused by packs of kids and teens flying through stop signs and zero regard for traffic
Something NEEDS to happen??
wtf are u advocating harm or terrorism?
@@overciy9thquadrant992 legislation I believe is what they are suggesting, but yeah run with your assumption if it helps you believe that people are bad...
So many "near accidents" but none that you've actually seen, correct?
Laws strip citizens of their liberty, which makes you happy, doesn't it?
There were already ordinances to hold unsafe riders accountable...
@ near like feet from my car several times and others , also speeding in traffic no helmet down major roads with traffic .. I am not a risk averse person and actually ride e-bikes like a maniac myself .. I’ve got honked at and scolded and if I was a teenager would be worse . There should be sensible rules depending on the WATTs .. it’s a new technology like drones so had no regulations.
I see the surrons on the bike path between Coronado and imperial beach.
I think the companies making the more powerful bikes are going to start making them without pedals, with vin numbers on the motor so it can be easy to just register them as mopeds or motorcycles you are pretty much going to have to have a M1 or M2 license to bypass this BS.
lol Cali is a joke
Cali is one of the states that allow motorbike filtering.
The bottomline . A bike under 750 watts is going to have problems with hills and grades, they stall. The batteries under 48vdc 20ah will run out of power faster and the range is under 40 miles that means 20 miles going 20 miles coming home. So local riding might be fine but the distance will be affected. You cannot ride safely on streets because the cars go by you at 40 MPH so expect to get hit. The side of the road is not good in many places and road debris is also a problem. Most have no mirrors so you won't see what hits you. These cars are 3 feet from you going 40 mph. The cars parked on the shoulder push you into the street . Your not like a car which moves with traffic . Robbing you of speed will increase accidents. California law has damaged their own program promoting their use.
In places where you ride in the hood. Cops will use this as a means to make a stop, that leads to a search, that leads to rights violated.
You should always deny the search. It may not stop them but allows your attorney to have evidence thrown out without probable cause.
@@tuomasholo Absolutely
Screw Gavin. This is what is going to happen. The city police department's, primarily near the beach will be on the hunt. I talked to a good friend of mine that works at a department that also covers the beach. The sheriff's departments are too busy with the silly laws that Gavin passed. The S.O.'s are hunting criminals, not ebike violations. Live free!
They’re gonna put some po po on e-bikes. High speed e-bikes so they can catch you.
@@jatteam8615 Not in the budget.
*im in germany where laws are worse, no throttle, and can only go like 25mph. i added a wireless switch to my ebike. it always starts with the throttle off, i can enable it with the switch, so far its been ok*
what are u riding in germany?
Germany has bigger problems than worrying about ebikes.
Ive never owned an e bike but 20 years ago I got a wreckless and evading ticket on my road bike in Northridge and still proud of that! Ive gotten more tickets on my bicycles than driving in my 50 yrs of living.
same
I got yelled at by a cop for running a stop sign on my bike. Even the cops that care know no one else does.
@@MingusDew_Bebop Fr man it's a joke, they can't tax the fking bicycles, Germany for example is a joke state, they take your driving licence because 'if you can't behave on a bicycle, then why entrust you a car?'
Npc world brah
Good video! I live in San Francisco and cops don't want to waste their time writing up paperwork on bike related stuff (or anything else for that matter (unless you are messing up our tourist-related money). In Alameda County across the Bay, they have real crime to deal with so they don't care about bikes either (unless you're crime-ing on a bike), But if you are in San Mateo or Marin Counties where there is no real crime they may have more time to chase around people on ebikes.
The opposite - cops love to waste their time on paperwork on bikes and that's why there is so much crime!
This is such a high level video, so much intelligent accurate information. The clips from the media, how they are reporting it, the street interviews of the public's opinion, the bike shop owner, and the video creators opinion. So much to chew on 🤓
Really love the screenshots of your research and sidebar information about the other factors that might not be so obvious to the viewers (like looking up the average property values to give more context). The ability to comment on the topic too with personal experience is such amazing bonus.
Hello, professional bike mechanic here that has been in the industry for 7+ years. You can blame the individuals who ride their ebikes too fast thus causing crashes. Not saying every person with an ebike does that, but many definitely do. I ride the silver strand quite often and the amount of people (mainly kids) going 28mph is a recipe for disaster. FYI, the average speed of road bikers on the silver strand is 18mph. In my opinion, the most power anyone ever needs from an electric bicycle is that of a Class1 (up to 20mph, pedal assist only). Anything beyond class1 is unnecessary. This is the truth most ebikers don't want to hear.
My kid has been riding scene he was 3 years old. He's a better rider than most people. He's only 8 now, fuck this law!
I’m 15 and I just need need my e-bike which goes 35 mph to commute to school. I know it’s considered illegal but I stay in the bike lane, stop at the lights, slow down near turns, and all other safety precautions like wearing helmets and gloves, but I still have to watch out for cops because all it takes is a cop with nothing better to do to get my bike taken away from me. And it’s not like I can just get a ‘legal’ bike, this 35 mph bike was the cheapest option I had. I spent everything I had been saving on this bike so having it taken away from me and being impounded is just not an option for me.
Sorry, I’m calling BS on you. A 35mph eBike is not the cheapest option for a bike ride to school. First of all you don’t need an eBike. Get yourself out of bed a little earlier and ride a pedal bike like I did when I was in school. Don’t be a wimp.
The problem isn't pedal assisted bikes, it's people getting emotos thinking that they are the same thing as an ebike. Too many people think the because it electric instead of ICE that the laws are different. Some companies even offer pedal kits for some emotos to try and fall under the current classes. That is why thing have gotten much more specific. They try to claim class 3 because of the 28mph, but class 3 is pedal assisted with no throttle..
The shop owner was happy due to the fact that it cuts out the competition from the direct ship ebike market.
The main problem with this is they changed the wording to be 750w max for ebikes. Depending on how it gets interpretated, then technically any ebike with a 500w motor would not be classified as an ebike. Most 500w motors can peak up to 840w.
The watage and throttle should have nothing to do with it. There should just be speed limit just as with cars. You speed and get caught, you get a ticket simple as that. But that is not why we are getting all these new restrictions.
I believe the true reason for these new laws (and more will come) is lobbyists for the big car companies. This newer generation has grown/growing up with social media/instant gratification status and electric vehicles & Uber/Lyft. Owning a gas powered car is not as important to them. This hurts in the sales of said vehicles. Oil & car companies will do alot of things to get people back into the market. PEVs are a threat to the car industry's pocketbook and they don’t take it lightly.
Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Its been like that in the uk for years, the throttle bit is just an easy way of them not needing to test them before they take them from you. And they always do the minute they see a throttle, thats why i just dont stop now.
I’m 43 and sometimes I commute to work 18 miles away, I need to have a ebike instead of a normal bike due to poor circulation in my legs and it’s less tiring than pedaling only. They need to make more bike lanes with some sort of barriers. Cars are sometimes parked in bike lanes forcing me to go street or sidewalk to pass them. I wear full face motorcycle helmet since I’m scared of falling and might get a head injury.
A lot of the changes are good, but a $25 fine is a joke! Someone might have to skip their Starbucks trip to cover that 🤣 I think what's missing is regulation for people who want to use high powered ebikes as an alternative for commuting. Rather than trying to force them off the road, make a space for them to travel legally. We're supposed to care about the environment right?
Do not under estimate a mere 25$ fine because I have seen people get really angry and argue with meter maids over a simple parking ticket for a car. People do not like paying fines or go through the motion of the entire process just to pay said fine.
in my country its like that: if u have to pedal to make it ride and it doesnt go over 30kph or so its a e-bike if it has a throttle and /or goes 45kph or under its an e-moped wich requires registration, insurance and plates and the Moped(AM License)(the motor is only allowed to help to certain speed so if the motor stops assisting at 30kph its a e-bike if it goes further its a moped) if it goes over 45kph its electric motor cycle that requires registration as a motorcycle, plates, insurance and the A Licence
does it have a throttle? 'no officer i have too pedal"
It's interesting that a motorcycle is being pushed as an e-bike. The Federal definition is very clear as to what is and isn't one. So let's go over it:
An electric assist bicycle is defined as a two wheeled or three wheeled device primarily designed to be propulsed by use of pedals and some sort of transmission system, usually a series of sprockets and chains. It also includes an electric motor which can be co-located with the front sprocket, along the chain, or in the front or rear hub. The motor activation will co-inside with the forward movement of the device. Assistance is limited to three classes:
Class 1. This class is limited to assist only and has no throttle. Power is limited to a maximum of 1/2 HP or 450w. Speed will be limited to 20 MPH/32 kph maximum. At that speed, assist will automatically disable. Various levels of assist can be provided but are not required.
Class 2. As above but includes a manual throttle. Such devices must not be able to move without pedaling first.
Class 3. As with Class 1, but power levels increase to a maximum of 1HP or 750 w. Speeds increase to 28 MPH.
Anything that exceeds these limits fall under either a Motor-Pedal (MoPed) or a low-power motorcycle.
California has only applied the Federal definition in a strict manner.
Also, these definitions do NOT apply to bicycles with auxiliary gasoline power.
One of the real challenges e-Bikes has introduced is that they are entering the range of lower powered motorcycles but the rider is not required to be licensed nor required to be educated on the rules of the road, nor how to properly ride and control the bike.
I think that's why they missed the mark here - they should have required registration and certification instead of a ban. They hurt customers and ebike companies without really solving the actual problem. Now, only the most reckless will still ride on the roads and the responsible folks will follow the rules 😂
They also could have raked in some revenue from all this. Welp, this was frustrating but not surprising - thanks a lot SurRon douchebags
Even in Georgia, I have to at least have a drivers license to ride my moped. It'd be crazy to get passed by a kid on a E-Bike when I'm limited to 35 MPH.
I have seen cyclists in Central Park NYC going faster than 30 mph. SHOULD THEY REQUIRE A LICENSE?
@@habib2482 So many of these new eBikes, particularly of the Sur-Ron class, are really electric motorcycles without any of the safety requirements. Because of the electric motors, they are no longer what we consider a traditional human-powered bicycle. Therefor, they need to be reconsidered for basic safety and licensing requirements. I don't know where the cut-off should be, but you can't ride a moped without a license and a helmet (at least in California), why can you ride a 40+ mph eBike without nay restrictions?
All these laws in California it’s not worth owning one nowadays California always seems to have the most strictest laws . You can’t do this you can’t do that… too many restrictions. It Takes the fun out of it. But there are people out there that ruined it for everybody that ride like idiots. Which caused them to put laws into place. I get it. So John Hicks you’re not gonna be able to ride on the street anymore in Los Angeles with those kind of surrons that you ride ?
Still gonna buy my E ride in a couple of days:)
@@CheeseCream1205 all the power to you
ITS NARCISSISM.
PERIODT.
Stop voting democratic.
He will still be able to ride, but he'll probably need a motorcycle license, registration and insurance, and he might no longer be able to go places where bicycles can go.
California recently published a list of recommended ebikes for their scam rebate program. All of the bikes I could find near me are around 1500 to 2000 dollars. for class 1 class 2 are over 2000 dollars. I couldn't even find class 3's listed. With the new laws these ebikes are only going to even higher.
the whole new initiatives is just to push businesses that sell "legal" ebikes at insane prices. A $800 ebike from china will work better and go faster then a $3000 ebike will.
The irony of trying being leading in ev.
Rad Power Bikes Rad Wagon 5 is on their list of approved bikes as it goes 28mph and has a throttle. CA is idiotic, just shows how much they don't know, they have an approved bike on their list for their incentive program yet they consider it illegal.
Tax payers shouldn't be paying for people's vehicles.
@@IROC-ROB i couldn't find that 1 at any of the stores near me
This is the wrong regulatory approach. It focuses on blaming technology and increasing bureaucracy, rather than addressing bad driver behavior.
This is the statement I was looking for.
They already "adopted industry standard" classifications in the first e-bike law in 2015. That didn't change. SB-1271 (2025) isn't much different than SB-1096 (2015), - just the emphasis on battery safety and seller responsibility to ensure the sale of legal e-bikes, and ensure modifications cannot be made without the e-bike becoming illegal. And the addition of a walk mode.
8:25 that’s brings up an interesting point - isn’t it a violation on my property right not to use my property as I wish? If I am on private land, under the statutes in my state, I can operate it on the dirt and beyond 20 mph. I.e. on my land or as a guest on private land those laws specifically don’t apply. Even drunk drinking requires operation on a public way. I can drive in circles tanked on my own land. We have had similar changes on the East coast - 750 max motor 20 mph the throttle is safe for now. One cape cod town which has a bikeway recently has a meeting about them. They are heavy, people get injured… still as one member noted No one pays attention to the 15 mph speed limit and the ones who cause the worse crashes are the Tour de France wannabes not the cruisers on their e-bikes.
I'm 57 with a disability and use a super 73 to get out, exercise and enjoy nature.I go 20 mph on trails and only go 28+ on deserted roads around my neighborhood. I think I will just give up this hobby. I'm tired of having to always look over my shoulder for cops or Karens. I cant just enjoy my ride without the feeling of lurking dread just aound the corner. Thanks Gavin Newsom!👎
super 73 is sold as an offroad ebike so idk why the person suing thinks that they have any legal rights when it was never sold to be ridden on the streets and even then its still legal to ride on the streets in regular mode
Please don’t stop! Keep riding! Independence and more smiles per miles are two keys to longevity I’ve read.
You need to spread the blame; no matter anyone's opinion, Newsom isn't a dictator --he needs the state legislators. Blame them first.
@@SyphonGaminga vehicle sold for off-road cannot be legally on the streets. That's how they can get sued, du-uh.
@@MCodger yes but if they get sued that's the riders fault for riding where it's not supposed to. That's like selling an airplane for flying but you put wheels on it and drive it on the road. Not its sold intended purpose
As a person the lives in Imperial Beach CA and goes to school in Coronado I ride my e-bike up to there all the time and the biggest thing that I noticed is that there are so many cops there and they have nothing better to do than pull kids over on an e-bike that are riding in the bike lane also most of the kids can’t even reach the ground on the bikes so some of these rules are needed.
Everyone keeps saying it's just a cash grab but not offering anymore than that. So tired of seeing this crap all over the place. We have these idiots kids in larges groups flying down our streets all the damn time with no protection and/or no concern for pedestrians or cars. Their parents are doing anything about it so of course the state would have to put a law in place. These terrible parents need to do better but they won't because they don't care. They want those knuckleheads kids out of the house. I am a mountain biker and I do have a 2020 Specialized Levo SL which is category 1 low power e-bike. Note, these same kids are tearing up the trails throttling their way through it. As for modifications, you essentially chip your bike to remove the 20 mph restriction. I believe that's what they are talking about. You can pedal over 20 mph but the motor will not assist once you hit 20. Sure, you can go to a dealership, buy a new porche and drive away with it at high speed. The difference if you're licensed with plates on that car. These kids are riding 'e-bikes" with throttles and are not licensed to do so.
I used to ride my ten speed faster than most of the class three electric bikes. I learned and followed the rules of the road and understood and accepted the risks involved with riding in traffic. I had many close calls with motorists who simply never saw me or were distracted by something going on in the car. I knew early on that I had to be more attentive than the others I was sharing the road with. I've been riding bikes since I was 6 and motorcycles since I was 16 and I'm alive and well at 60. So, it can be done, but there are too many idiots in the world today who can't walk and chew gum that are totally distracted by their cell phones! We always pay for the one person who blatantly ignores the rules and common sense and pisses off the rich Karens of the world who have the money and connections to get their way and screw the masses out of their freedoms. Life isn't safe and we need to discuss things first before banning everything!
I have owned an ebike for 5+ years. I see riders doing high speeds on trails endangering walkers. That will lead to greater restrictions.
E bikers are going to ruin it for PEV riders. Ya'll get too wild when you get together
They need to mandate lanes for e-bikes instead of banning it. I blame these people for riding these in the sidewalk.
They ebike too close to me (pedestrian) as they cut corners or ignore stop signs. They are the ones at fault for not riding properly. They cut through peoples' yards and even ride through flower or shrubbery beds as if it is their right. The motor gives them a bigger "ego" when riding so they ride more like assholes now.
Because we have so much extra room huh? Man you are slow. You going to close all the streets while making this ebike highway?
I'm sure motorcycle riders like myself want a special highway too numb nuts. I actually pay registration fees. So what now? Make me a motorcycle highway.
@@mikecarr1484no ebike Hwy, just more reasonable bike lanes for bikes whether ebike or regular bike
A ebike lane by the highways would be 🔥
People commute on one wheels and scooters, dont see why this wont fall far from that jurisdiction. Realistically, its kiddies like surronster and lilman fucking shit up for everyone else. Altho scene aint as big in norcal as socal, its mostly chill.
Your analogy of the Porsche 911 breaks. Exceeding 90 mph will get you a ticket. But they have not been detained because 911s ride on streets. But 28 mph on winding bike paths is quite hazardous.
I've almost been hit walking on sidewalk when person goes flying by on ebike several times. I'm a daily on a liter ninja, these are not bicycles, they are electric motorcycles and should be plated and registered period unless class 1.
Its a good law and I am glad CA has amended it. Too many large and powerful ebikes are purchased and are illegally been ridden on many CA trails. Ebike trail use violations in SoCal are everywhere, including running lights, stop signs and excessive speeds over 30 MPH or more in a 20 MPH max zone. Level 3 bikes are being illegally used on many level 1 trails in CA.
Fatherless wheelie kidz messing it up for everyone... SMH
I moved dafuq out of California after living there for 50 years. I moved to Kentucky. I live up in the Appalachian mountains and our streets over here are called hollers. Our holler is 10 miles long. what’s cool about living here is that you can drive any off-road vehicle in our Holler and the law won’t give a shit. They think my Surron is “cute”. 😂 but even in our city, they don’t mind if you ride motorized/electric bicycles. Throttle or not. The laws here are more laxed. And to add to that the cost-of-living is Hella cheap
You obviously don't know ow sh*t bout what cali is doing and how it's run into the damn ground people are leaving so they can afford to live, be safe and just drive a damn car or truck without being harassed...even constitutional rights! You call people whiners no theyre smart for leaving that dump🤡
@ ummm, ok. If you are replying to my comment, you obviously misunderstood what I was saying. Basically the same thing as what you just said. And as for saying that I don’t know shit about California, I do. That is why I moved out. The people there are getting ass raped financially.
Pretty much the same thing that you said in your comment .
However, if you were not replying to my comment and made a mistake, then disregard.
I love how you buy something and down the road a law gets passed making it illegal where was this when the bikes came out oh everybody didn't have one yet so we will wait till they do.
A very good point made is why have cars not been Governed because if they were Traffic Tickets would have been obsolete a long time ago its like what was said earlier ITS A CASH GRAB just like everything else Traffic
Surrons are not ebikes, they're electric motorcycles and should be regulated as such (meaning license, registration, insurance requirement and restricted to roads and motorized trails).
We Ebikers are our own worst enemy, we knew that these crack down were coming, but you cannot tell this to your riding buddies unless you want disagreements or confrontations with other riders, because they just have to be stunters while riding. Wheelies on the road, crashing in the street while cars are driving on the same streets. Crashing into parked cars or cars at stop lights and then fleeing the scene. As much as I love riding ebikes and I am not happy that these changes are happening, but we have to be real about how this came about. Mr. Hicks I disagree with you on not having those issues in LA, because that is where it all started, with LA E SK8.
But the biggest contradiction I see in California is that you go in the cities and see naked women walking all over the street which is indecent exposure and even could receive sex offense charges of such behavior, but here we are dealing with ebikes.
Simple thoughts, there are definitely geared towards stopping ebikes/emotos like the Surrons, Talarias, etc... Oregon is trying to adopt similar legislation in that they are trying to prevent legal class 3 ebikes from being in bike lanes as well. The ironic part for me is this "crackdown" for the safety of the pedestrians, when have they ever cared about the safety of pedestrians. What happens when a driver hits a pedestrian, it's explained away, let go as a warning, etc... Drivers aren't even held responsible for hitting pedestrians and doing a helluva a lot more harm than any ebike will, yet they are trying to ban ebikes. Ebikes are just a fraction of the issue car drivers are.
"Someone else might take your bike"😆 Consequences of riding thru the wrong hood.
Class one 20 mph top speed pedal assist only, class two 20 mph top speed with a thumb or twist throttle and pedal assist, class three 28 mph top speed with speed with a thumb or twist throttle top speed of 20 mph and pedal assist top speed of 28 mph. All are legal electric bicycles. Surron, E-RidePro, Talaria are all off-road electric motorcycles and are not legal to ride on the road or bike lanes. The Police can impound them at any time. It is like riding an off-road internal combustion motorcycle on the road or sidewalks, it is illegal. I own an E-RidePro SS first generation and I will not ride it on the road or on the bike paths, especially in Redondo Beach, Hermosa Beach and Manhattan Beach, they will impound your bike even if you ride slower than 20 mph and wear a helmet, they don’t care, illegal is illegal.
Seems like they would rather us ride fossil fuel burning vehicles. And that’s exactly what I will drive and ride
I am a cyclist, primarily mountain bike. I have ridden a few e-bikes (Class 1), and my wife owns one, and a few of the "bikes" that will be affect by this change in legal definition in California.
Coming in HOT! The information he (or "you" if OP reads this, which I greatly doubt) gives at the VERY start regarding class one e-bike is WRONG (high price d/t low wt, etc.) It is because they HAVE to be PEDALLED to operate (aka: move at all). The motor assists the rider, and you can build a decently priced one for a low cost for commuting (about $800 US), I've seen em. Class 1 (one) in California is what is known as a pedelec around most of of the world, again this means to move they require the use of the pedals. THIS is why the "BAN". Anything else is a motor bike, or at best a MOPED.
The rough legal definition of a motorbike, in most jurisdictions, is it is propelled primarily (like 95%) by a "motor": there is an energy source (fuel, battery, compressed farts...) that allows a motor to create ALL the POWER (outside of wind, gravity, the initial push off...maybe... to shut down the trolls) that allows it to move. MOPEDS are all this with the possibility of assisting the motor by pedalling, but not much, under 30% is the usual amount, if its even specified. The flip side, trying to ONLY pedal a moped (the old gas ones from the 60's to 80's esp) SUUUCKS. All these fat tired "E-BIKES" are actually electric mopeds (lots of friction, and super heavy, like +>70#). Most cyclist (people who regularly ride bicycles of any sort) refer to as BSO's (bike shaped objects). THIS is why the legal changes, because a ridiculous # of mopeds / motorcycles are being sold as BIKES, and yes skirting all sort of laws and taxes as a result. Hell the new Seguay "e-bikes" don't even have padals as far as I can tell they are just ELECTRIC MOTOR BIKES. I know moto guys call their rides, including Harleys etc. bikes but that's a hold over because the FIRST motorcycles were literally bicycles with motors attached. Legally a BIKE has to be powered primarily by the rider.
My counter argument: Demand this, pedelecs designed for commuter / road usage should have a 32 mph / 51kph (not the current 20mph 32 Kph) speed limit to make them useful, and an actual vehicle alternative. In some places like most of europe its 16mph / 25kph WTF! .Outside of special use; like mountain biking, where the 20mph / 32kph limit makes all kinds of sense (speaking as an high level mountain biker. If you read thanks. And lobby for that change!
Agreed, the e-bike belongs to the owners property but to modify the item results in the expiration of warranty and thus the manufacture cannot be held liable for any damages or injuries to may happen. Same affects the misuse. Of course in the state of Cali where it's so liberal they need to come up with new restrictions to minimize the risk. btw, they should also legislate for kids not being on the internet before the age of..., idk, cuz they are not able to handle it, lol.
I predicted this 5 years ago that the law would come down with the ban hammer of ebikes, I'm sad this is happening to our community of PEVs as micro-mobility was the answer to traffic, pollution & limited parking in LA.
You can own a muscle car but still follow the speed limit. Those who have drivers licenses should be given tickets if they speed. I'm 62, I need the power to go up hills and stay on longer.
In my town the ebikes were imbraced and welcome at first. Then hordes of youth started rolling around from the town over, wrong side of the tracks kind of thing. Now our town has become a graffiti vandalized powder keg. One of those poor kids is going to get killed by road rage or pure accident and everything is going to hell.
Use lithium iron phosphate batteries for E Bikes. Safer and less prone to inadvertence meaning. Charging issues, quality control, thermal runaway. Or E Bike batteries with solid state electrolyte.
This is what will happen when you no longer have what was considered an e-bike:
You'll pay DMV fees
Pay annual registration fees
Pay for insurance to ride
Have to get a moto designation on your drivers license
Put a plate on the back of your bike
Have to have it approved by a State Inspector which will be another fee
Pay for a title
Obey all traffic laws and that means stopping at all stop signs and no riding on sidewalks or cutting thru private property like gas stations or restaurants, etc
Cali about to fall into the ocean when the Cascadia pops anyway 😅
Not just California. Read the fine print for every state. You can Google the law in Kansas. And although legal. If it has a throttle, you can’t ride it on the bike only bike pads. And only class one is allowed everywhere.
These joker ARE NOT in control.
Hey young man! Keep being safe on your travels and keep going 💪🏾 2:09
the car analogy isn't apoplectically, you have to have a licence, plate, and insurance, if you have a bike licence, plate and insurance for the ebike, you can have as much power as you want!
I have been riding an Ebike since 2019. I was the first person in my city to ride one. Well, I got an upgrade kit for my existing two wheeled recumbent. A 48v 500w direct drive hub motor. And it moves me along nicely. I can top out at 20mph on flat ground, with a light load. But normally I cruise at about 14mph. Which is just fine with me. Now as for battery fires, that's a simple one. Each Ebike battery has what is called a BMS, or Battery Maintenance System. Which controls the current, during charging and discharging. The charger for my Ebike batter is a 2amp hour charger. But I fear that most fires are started by people using a higher amperage charger, who's BMS will not handle it. As far as I am concerned, any Ebike that can do 25+mph, even if it does have pedals, is an Electric Moped and you should need a license to ride it. Oh, and my Ebike has the PAS system, and a Throttle.
i build my battery self and choose like a 40 euro bms that gives me almost to many options. like voltage drop and short circuit protection. its 1.1kwh.
i think its what quality bms they install and how the battery pack is build. Because if it is cheaply made and some little ding punctures a cel or shorts it that bms won't safe it. it only protects the collection of cels wired to it and the main + and - . If you look at the price of those cels you see how much the cost is of a battery pack to build. how much they make or how cheap they try to build them.
I agree with your take about BMS, fires also start by people misusing their bikes and not taking proper care of their batteries
As a volunteer firefighter and e-bike enthusiast, in my sixties, my observations include that some folks have been taking their e-bikes into hotels (and presumably charging them). I feel that hotels should either prohibit the batteries from being stored inside their facilities or should clear this practice with their fire departments and disclose this practice to all consumers before they rent a room. I suspect that eventually, we will have a major incident of an e-bike fire in a hotel.
Big issue as well is the type of batteries used, I ride electric unicycles and the batteries we use are Samsung 50s cells, which have no batter fires reported ever since the wheels started using it. Also metal casing to avoid punctures and waterproofing to avoid water ingress, because the community is really harsh on the companies to push good safety features
One thing i agree with. Its not the people going to work, its the kids racing out of school throwing themselves right into the road . Basically electric moped.
I bought a
motor goatV3 mostly so my son could ride it to school. We limit the speed to 20. I monitor It’s speed on my phone. My son has never broken the speed limit that we set. He’s called me and asked me if he could, but has been denied the permission. I give my children rules and set expectations properly on some things.
There are two wheel vehicles for every job. Bicycles with only pedal power. Legal BICYCLES or Scooters that are Electric. Mopeds and a real motorcycle with gasoline or Battery powered. You get however many of those you need or wish to use. You do not get to have one 2 wheeled vehicle that can be used legally for every purpose.
I dont see cops dealing with e-bikes unless you're doing something unsafe.
You need to go up there and represent all the good ebikers
My ebike cost over $2,500. It has full suspension and hydraulic disk brakes, assisting up to 25 mph, with power walk mode. I can't leave it anywhere because I'm afraid someone will steal it 😂.
Just a cash grab by California
@@CheeseCream1205 that too I saw this coming years ago, where you have to have a registration sticker or something California always finds a way to cash in. What about fixing our streets and freeways they want us to take care of our vehicles, but they don’t take care of our roads. That’s another topic that irritates me. Where’s all the money going into the politicians pockets must be how they’re buying all these big mansions but they do nothing for the American people
No, when you see the modded idiots, or just regular unsafe idiots on sidewalks and walking paths, you will know where it is coming from.
Have you seen kids on BMX bikes?? The government doesnt care about us@seancoyote
No, the asshole ebikers caused the safety problems. There needs to be citations. The $25 fine doesn't mean much, but there needs to be impounding of the ebike for multiple violations causing threat of injury to other people.
@ I Agree
I live in a small college town in Missouri and I have a talaria and I love the feeling of being able to ride around on the roads and zip onto a trail with no license. No insurance no registration no license plate no gas I hope the laws here don’t start tightening up like everywhere else because it’s just so much damn fun.
I didn't see this legislation on this or last years ballot...
lol ... come on Hicks, you're one of those hooligans mate. 😆
They can't even seem to enforce a lot of ricers and illegally lifted brodozers on road; does anyone seriously believe they will go after eBikes by significant amount?
As a "regular" cyclist, I don't mind sharing bike paths with "normal" e-bikes (no throttle, pedals, max speed about 25 mph. Basically: something that just looks and acts like an easier-to-ride version of a normal bike).
It's when our infrastructure (which is supposed to protect us from motor vehicles) gets taken over by what are motorcycles-in-all-but-name that I worry. Use the roads if you want to have fun with them!
You brought up some good items to be considered. Kids riding around, hitting car windows, etc, making others feel unsafe.
The problem that people as a whole, are having with ebikes & peddle bikes is this: bikes don't drive themselves (with the exception of a very few high-end techno bikes). It's the person operating them in a reckless & obnoxious way that should be dealt with... not the bike themselves. The same principle applies to guns and their owners versus criminals using a weapon when perpetrating a crime.
The drawback to all of this hogwash is that too many people are lazy and just go with the flow that the Liberal nutjobs make/take when meeting out punishments. They don't use their minds but their overinflated egos & *feelings* when confronting issues like this.
Yeah, people love to ban anything & everything they don't like rather than... is it dangerous to own & operate at a given age range.
IMHO, an ebike that goes faster than 25/30 MPH should never be sold *for a person under 15 years of age to operate.* Motorized vehicles apart from dirt bikes should not be in a child's possession. Let them peddle their way to-n-from somewhere, or have someone drive them.
I hate the fact that I am 32 years old and I got an e-bike to go relax and go nature or just to relax and I can’t go anywhere because they don’t let us ride e-bikes anywhere. I want to ride in the riverbed I can’t I want in bike trails can’t. It takes away the point of me relaxing. I can’t always go Offroad trails and not all of us want to be crazy we just want to relax and enjoy the ride without being told we can’t ride
The problem with e-bikes is the idiots who won’t ride them responsibly and with due consideration for others. Even on my e-bike I tell others to ride properly and they don’t like it and won’t be told what to do. There are no consequences for them not to ride responsibly. So, no doubt sooner or later they will come with more restrictions and I am talking about e-bikes here in the UK where legal e-bikes are restricted to 250Ws, speeds 15.5mph and throttles to 3.7mph.
There comes a point when an e-bike is no longer a bike and it really is a motorbike.
And if somebody is doing something illegal on an e-bike or a regular bike give him a ticket
The Irony of This Guy 👆🏼 Describing A Governor “Limiter” on Trucks and Cars as if They Don’t Already Exist 😂
How long do we have to ignore this insanity. Good technology doesn't need constant excuses and gaslighting.
i have been riding Emtb and Eroadbike, all low powered non throttle bikes. My personal feeling is issues are going to rise on paths where people are using ebikes but going way too fast. That will cause issues down the road. As for the street, I see issues where people are riding on the sidewalks on throttle powered ebikes. For me, I do not get why we have not changed to classify ebikes with a throttle classified as a E-moped that has to be registered and has to obey the rules of the road
The free for all is over!
Why would this dude claim this is a ban? High-powered e-bikes are not banned, they are just not classified anymore as "bicycles." You will always be able to buy a high-powered bike but you will have to treat it like a comparable gas-powered bike, like a moped. It may have to be licensed and cannot be ridden in pedestrian areas. It is not a f'n ban. The point is to protect pedestrians.