All fun and games until you finally pitch or roll into the lake and find yourself tossed forward and diced up a bit. But that's OK if you're Ok with that, right?
You guys sound exactly the same! I was confused as to which channel I was actually watching... Just watched your RC Outboard Motor video... I guess you found a doppelganger.. For your voice at least.. 😄
I think the landfill being closed was a sign that you need to keep it, and take it to the next level. I wonder if you could have independent articulating PAR for the front and back wings. Maybe incorporate a LIDAR input to keep it level and low.
You’ve GOTTA do more of this, it keeps me coming back to your channel. Every time I see videos of this thing, I can’t help but just smile and imagine if I built one myself as a sailboat toy for windless days! A perfect combination of aviation, robotics, and boats! But seriously PLEASE build a larger scale version, I’d love to see this thing reimagined with what you learned from the first one! I know you wanted to take it to the landfill, but as other said, that’s a sign!
My thought is you would have generated more lift and speed by NOT changing your thrust angle. By changing the thrust to a more downward angle to the chord line you have two probable effects: 1. Losing some of your forward thrust to aft pitch moment due to deflection down from forward of your CL and 2. causing higher speed airflow Under your forward wing causing lower pressure differential compared to the upper wing surface. You ideally want the high speed airlflow over the top of the wing and lower speed airflow under it. The wings under camber and AOA would already contribute to its having a damming effect to cause a high pressure in ground effect that you somewhat negated but blowing higher speed air under the wing.
I did some additional reading on the Russian ekranoplans and picked up a few more tidbits. The ekranoplan did indeed deflect the jet thrust under its main wing, but this was due to the design where the wing was part of its floating hull and this thrust was only present to help get this wing out of the water and into the airstream, then the deflectors would be retracted to thrust perpendicular to its chord line. Also only the main lifting wing was in ground effect and this makes sense. With the stabilizing wing being outside of ground effect its lift would have a linear relationship to velocity, where the main wing has a dual relationship with velocity and ground effect. Thus as the ekranoplan got out of ground effect the main wing loses lift while the stabilizing wing does not causing it to descend. Conversely if you deep inside of ground effect the main wing lift increased but the stabilizing wing remains unchanged causing the ekranoplan to ascend. These effects caused a build in stability so that velocity would be the determining factor to stabilize at an altitude at a given trim and balance. The ingenuity of Russian designers never ceases to amaze me.
i hope someone get's inspired by this and starts a kickstarter, can't wait for the next 20 years in the future to be able to ride my own ekranoplan! Great job on this, awesome seeing you both collaborating like that!
@@SMGJohn building ground effect vehicles in your garage that can carry a human using revolutionary light weight and powerful batteries and electric motors to power the machine is 'as old as the airplane itself' ???
@@donaldstewart6538 You can build an airplane in your garage with some plywood and an motorcycle engine, if Soviet pioneer kids used to do this in the 1950s, I am sure you can manage with modern tools from a brickstore.
This is Awesome! Daniel I have been following you since way back when you were flying FPV from your front yard with a DJI NAZA quad. Keep up this collaboration.
This is some awesomeness right here. I started watching some of these videos with my son and he has picked learning about Ekranoplans as his summer project. I think we are going to start with theory and learning Ardupilot with one of our existing models. Wish we still lived in your neighborhood, we would definitely be offering our boat for tow/test services. Keep up the great work guys!
That was amazing, if you were to name it, one word came to mind when it was floating above that beautiful calm lake...Serenity. Well done guys, an absolute pleasure to watch 🙂
-- "Baby kitten" -> Brought to you by the committee for the redundancy committee. 3 inches above the surface -> Excellent! Beautiful cinematography, clear audio, great editing, vehicle design, and execution! > > > *_NICE WORK!_* < <
Какое счастье, что вы живёте у озера и можете построить экраноплан! Очень хорошее озеро! Машина получилась, наверное, если будет отрываться над водой от воды станет быстрее и экономнее.
Please continue working on this! If you throw it on the landfill I'll be incredibly sad What was the efficiency of this btw? Like what speed could you achieve and how many watts did it use to power itself?
Could you not make the PAR thrust angle controllable from the remote? Awesome video and build and pardon the suggestion as I am absolutely sure you have thought of all the parameters involved...
Well, this is going to make my upcoming hovercraft look kind of mediocre 😅 This is so so crazy! So jel of Daniel getting to ride the beast. Next time im im California im coming to visit please thanks 🙏 😉
Wow, very epic! Even the fish were jumping with excitement (10:23) Excellent teamwork. Assume this GIANT DYI Ekranoplan was fully manual controlled, no flight computer, lidar magic to hold a constant altitude like many previous RC Ekranoplans? Am curious if you got any current, voltage measurement while Ekranoplanning? (7:40) Would make great reference data to compare to power (watts) at speed compared to power needed by a speed boat keep up in a chase. Nice choice of audio for the chase scene (7:25) BTW. Nice way to end this summers project series. :)
Not being an American, I don't use this word very often, but, that was awesome!. I wish you guys much success in future trials. I think it shows a lot of promise, maybe with ducted fans? Best wishes from the Czech Republic.
Wonder if a hydrofoil on the bottom center section would help with raising the whole boat out of the water easier so you could direct the thrust from the propellers accordingly to gain more speed out of them. Naturally the wings would start to generate for lift, but with the foil in the water it could help keep it closer to the water and maybe create a little more stability at higher speeds. Maybe be able to control the air cushion a little better too. I haven’t put much thought into it but maybe that’s an idea 💡
@@tomcadero9875 I seen that and was rather disappointed in the shape and poor quality of it. I think with a better design they could be rather beneficial
A light-weight fabric tonneau cover and windshield might save you enough drag to get airborne. Next try reducing thrust angle, then end plates on each side of the fuselage extending a few inches into the water in the step area, and finally end plates at the four wingtips. The wingtip plates may increase the risk of instability in turns, but its not my neck:)
Almost there! Why the landfill? That's why you'd need quarter-circle hydrofoils, so you'd be airborne much faster (instead of not-at-all), but forget about the beaching (super cool feature). Now, the Lippisch-style ekranoplan has a Pi-tail and a lawnmower engine close to the CoG, giving a lot of extra torque to take off, electric motors just suck. Also, I figured out how to attach canards at the front of the front wing instead of having them detached in front: now, it's the entire wing profile that changes, not just the airflow on the attack edge. You see, here in East Cork, the closest body of water is the Sea, and it's pretty choppy... Thank you for all the insights and the tests!
YES. You have water to seal to--what better way to kill wingtip vortices? Isn't that one of the main advantages of ground effect--to "squash" vortices? Can't be that hard to try it!
Congratulations!! If flies! Second set of motors behind pilot and in front of back wing. Motor banks can be separately rotated between the two positions to achieve the right variations between push and float. Hull design directly under pilot is an inverted “w” shape with the centre not as deep as the out sides. This will give you less drag in the water at take off or as the craft moves from full float to skimming through the tops of swell. Plus, as the craft lands on land the two outside peaks operate as landing rails like a helicopter. Looking forward to your next innovation.
Always refreshing to see people DOING! Unfortunately; the great majority of so-called "creators" on youtube don't actually do anything original; they just strike narcissistic poses and "ad lib with 3rd grade show and tell skills"; these gentleman are NOT THAT!
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which lake were you guys testing at?
How did I end up here
why code "thinkfight" not thinkflight?
All fun and games until you finally pitch or roll into the lake and find yourself tossed forward and diced up a bit. But that's OK if you're Ok with that, right?
Great work.
Perhaps you should try a height control wand, as foiling moths etc, but linked to the rear aèrerons
So good! Now I can't wait for the next manned creation
Loving this series. Does a third wing or a differential wingspan between forward and aft wing seem like it might help with pitch stability?
So it begins ... planning next summers manned creation. 🤔💭
Manned rocket to the moon everything else would be a dissappointment.
Jokes aside, GREAT WORK!!
You guys sound exactly the same! I was confused as to which channel I was actually watching... Just watched your RC Outboard Motor video... I guess you found a doppelganger.. For your voice at least.. 😄
@@Matthews_Media yeah its pretty weird also it seems like they also steal video ideas from each other
mooooore motors!
W peter
Also when is your next vid bro💀
YES
Hi
I love it when you guys collaborate. You complement each other well. Please keep working together!
I agree
Yes.
it almost flied...couldn't you've just have borrowed someones kid and stuck it in there?
I would like to honourably volunteer myself
This comment became more funny the longer I thought about it
Technically yes. Not sure about the ethics however lol.
Never saw a flying goat before!
They could use the kitten. Kittens like to fly and they always land on their feet.
I think the landfill being closed was a sign that you need to keep it, and take it to the next level.
I wonder if you could have independent articulating PAR for the front and back wings. Maybe incorporate a LIDAR input to keep it level and low.
THIS this and more this! Dont landfill it! Please! Ill come and get it lol!!
new collab channel THINK/TEST FLIGHT creations
How well do things like lidar work on water surfaces? I'm not really familiar with the tech other than base principles.
@@Thaccus I think an ultrasonic sensor might be better
Add more fore wing
Yep. Now they have to try it with two more motors, to get the step up out of the water.
Kavin: I don't want to get sand in your motors...
Dan: DOIT DOIT DOIT DOIT
Summarizes these two perfectly.
Holy crap this is the coolest thing I've ever seen a youtuber do that wasn't a whole year's time investment.
You’ve GOTTA do more of this, it keeps me coming back to your channel. Every time I see videos of this thing, I can’t help but just smile and imagine if I built one myself as a sailboat toy for windless days!
A perfect combination of aviation, robotics, and boats!
But seriously PLEASE build a larger scale version, I’d love to see this thing reimagined with what you learned from the first one!
I know you wanted to take it to the landfill, but as other said, that’s a sign!
👏👏I agree
Это творение из СССР. Экраноплан. Создатель. Алексеев Ростислав Евгеньевич. Экраноплан лунь, ракета на подводных крыльях, и многое другое.
This is awesome, I love ground effect vehicles and seeing a manned one like this is so cool
My thought is you would have generated more lift and speed by NOT changing your thrust angle. By changing the thrust to a more downward angle to the chord line you have two probable effects: 1. Losing some of your forward thrust to aft pitch moment due to deflection down from forward of your CL and 2. causing higher speed airflow Under your forward wing causing lower pressure differential compared to the upper wing surface. You ideally want the high speed airlflow over the top of the wing and lower speed airflow under it. The wings under camber and AOA would already contribute to its having a damming effect to cause a high pressure in ground effect that you somewhat negated but blowing higher speed air under the wing.
More horsepower’s.
I did some additional reading on the Russian ekranoplans and picked up a few more tidbits. The ekranoplan did indeed deflect the jet thrust under its main wing, but this was due to the design where the wing was part of its floating hull and this thrust was only present to help get this wing out of the water and into the airstream, then the deflectors would be retracted to thrust perpendicular to its chord line. Also only the main lifting wing was in ground effect and this makes sense. With the stabilizing wing being outside of ground effect its lift would have a linear relationship to velocity, where the main wing has a dual relationship with velocity and ground effect. Thus as the ekranoplan got out of ground effect the main wing loses lift while the stabilizing wing does not causing it to descend. Conversely if you deep inside of ground effect the main wing lift increased but the stabilizing wing remains unchanged causing the ekranoplan to ascend. These effects caused a build in stability so that velocity would be the determining factor to stabilize at an altitude at a given trim and balance. The ingenuity of Russian designers never ceases to amaze me.
Ive been LOVING all these collab videos with you guys. Keep it up!
This was sick!! You guys are an awesome duo. Glad this worked better that the first version
Collaboration rules, love seeing these two channels doing things together!
WAIT!!! don't throw it away!!! I want it, seriously!!! I've been wanting to build a personal sized ground effect vehicle, this it!!
That’s cutting edge, wow!!! Things we used to dream of.
i hope someone get's inspired by this and starts a kickstarter, can't wait for the next 20 years in the future to be able to ride my own ekranoplan!
Great job on this, awesome seeing you both collaborating like that!
DUUUUUUDE!!!
i remember we talked about making this electric.
oh boi i love it beyond measure!
🤩
EDIT: that was my idea screw daniel lol! 🤣
daniel i love you 😋
i also love how you casually saved that kitten. THANK YOU so much for that! 😢🥺🥺🥺🙌🙏
Simply amazing. The collab I didn't know that I needed
Most of the internet is a goat rodeo. It's great to watch you guys do something fun!
Oh my! That was epic! Best ever! You pair rock when you do projects together.
Thanks for taking us all along! Your perseverance appears to be paying off. Great work
Awesome man, just awesome. That fact that you made that from regular materials and it works is amazing!
truly amazing machine...you guys seem to be making history
The fuck? Ground effect vehicles are as old as the airplane itself imao........
@@SMGJohn building ground effect vehicles in your garage that can carry a human using revolutionary light weight and powerful batteries and electric motors to power the machine is 'as old as the airplane itself' ???
@@SMGJohn Yeah, I keep tripping over 100s of them every time I go to the beach...Tfuck
Rolmfao..t-fuck
@@donaldstewart6538
You can build an airplane in your garage with some plywood and an motorcycle engine, if Soviet pioneer kids used to do this in the 1950s, I am sure you can manage with modern tools from a brickstore.
@@donaldstewart6538 its still not "revolutionary"
Dude, that is SO cool! I'd love to see more of it! Also, the kitty was absolutely adorable.
i love seeing these two collaborate!
Great Video! When you and Daniel get together crazy things are boing built!
This is Awesome! Daniel I have been following you since way back when you were flying FPV from your front yard with a DJI NAZA quad. Keep up this collaboration.
I have zero experience with RC flight or engineering. But this channel has really got me interested in RC flight. Love this channel.
Gives a whole new meaning to "FPV RC flight"!
Great video . I loved it . Please continue this build . I would love to see it flying completely above the water . Thank you for this project .
Ok I’m impressed, that thing is awesome and I want one.
You Americans do things in your spare time which other people can only dream of. Awesome!
Awesome collaboration guys. I'm getting MythBusters vibes. More please.
I'm getting Ghostbusters vibes too..
@@proinseasokiellig4388 "What did you DO Ray? Aw, shit!"
As a GEV lover, that is insane. You guys should start a commercial company making things like this.
Congratulations on this major milestone!
This is one of the coolest things I have seen in a very long time.
Very cool! Really enjoyed the entire journey from the build to the land fill! Thanks!
This is some awesomeness right here. I started watching some of these videos with my son and he has picked learning about Ekranoplans as his summer project. I think we are going to start with theory and learning Ardupilot with one of our existing models. Wish we still lived in your neighborhood, we would definitely be offering our boat for tow/test services. Keep up the great work guys!
That was amazing, if you were to name it, one word came to mind when it was floating above that beautiful calm lake...Serenity.
Well done guys, an absolute pleasure to watch 🙂
I like this Daniel character.
He is all for doing it even if it could damage something. That is true heroism.
you guys are on fire, good thing a brave kitten is protecting you
-- "Baby kitten" -> Brought to you by the committee for the redundancy committee.
3 inches above the surface -> Excellent!
Beautiful cinematography, clear audio, great editing, vehicle design, and execution! > > > *_NICE WORK!_* < <
NOOO! Don't throw it away! I was hoping to see a few more experiments with it.
me too
Какое счастье, что вы живёте у озера и можете построить экраноплан! Очень хорошее озеро! Машина получилась, наверное, если будет отрываться над водой от воды станет быстрее и экономнее.
Please continue working on this! If you throw it on the landfill I'll be incredibly sad
What was the efficiency of this btw? Like what speed could you achieve and how many watts did it use to power itself?
Felt really happy looking at this project 😄
Could you not make the PAR thrust angle controllable from the remote? Awesome video and build and pardon the suggestion as I am absolutely sure you have thought of all the parameters involved...
That was cool I'm glad you didn't give up on it.
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I always said this guy was a genius
You guys are like the coolest friends ever
Well, this is going to make my upcoming hovercraft look kind of mediocre 😅 This is so so crazy! So jel of Daniel getting to ride the beast. Next time im im California im coming to visit please thanks 🙏 😉
Yes please do!
You guys are crazy - in a totally good way!
Wife "I dont think Daniel is a good influence"
Good work on this video bro this one was absolutely amazing you both killed it !!!! Keep it up
Great project. Do you know approximately how much thrust you were getting from the motors?
Wow, very epic! Even the fish were jumping with excitement (10:23)
Excellent teamwork. Assume this GIANT DYI Ekranoplan was fully manual controlled, no flight computer, lidar magic to hold a constant altitude like many previous RC Ekranoplans?
Am curious if you got any current, voltage measurement while Ekranoplanning? (7:40) Would make great reference data to compare to power (watts) at speed compared to power needed by a speed boat keep up in a chase. Nice choice of audio for the chase scene (7:25) BTW.
Nice way to end this summers project series. :)
Not being an American, I don't use this word very often, but, that was awesome!. I wish you guys much success in future trials. I think it shows a lot of promise, maybe with ducted fans? Best wishes from the Czech Republic.
Wonder if a hydrofoil on the bottom center section would help with raising the whole boat out of the water easier so you could direct the thrust from the propellers accordingly to gain more speed out of them. Naturally the wings would start to generate for lift, but with the foil in the water it could help keep it closer to the water and maybe create a little more stability at higher speeds. Maybe be able to control the air cushion a little better too. I haven’t put much thought into it but maybe that’s an idea 💡
Daniel(rctestflight) tried adding a hydrofoil to one of his smaller scale GEVs and determined that it caused more problems than it solved.
@@tomcadero9875 I seen that and was rather disappointed in the shape and poor quality of it. I think with a better design they could be rather beneficial
You did IT. awesome. now put 4 motors in the back, in front of the rear wing. and zoom zoom. that was so cool.
I wanted to build something like this before I got into paragliding! Just to quickly get over to the mainland. It's so cool to see this, well done!!
Looks like a rotating planet in the frames beginning at 9.45. Good catch man and awesome vehicle
You need a windshield to protect you incase a prop or motor explodes
Just a full face motorcycle helmet and maybe a light leather jacket to protect the torso.
A light-weight fabric tonneau cover and windshield might save you enough drag to get airborne. Next try reducing thrust angle, then end plates on each side of the fuselage extending a few inches into the water in the step area, and finally end plates at the four wingtips. The wingtip plates may increase the risk of instability in turns, but its not my neck:)
Really like the feel of the video. You guys work well together.
You should try a wingtip fence to prevent a loss of lift
Almost there! Why the landfill?
That's why you'd need quarter-circle hydrofoils, so you'd be airborne much faster (instead of not-at-all), but forget about the beaching (super cool feature).
Now, the Lippisch-style ekranoplan has a Pi-tail and a lawnmower engine close to the CoG, giving a lot of extra torque to take off, electric motors just suck.
Also, I figured out how to attach canards at the front of the front wing instead of having them detached in front: now, it's the entire wing profile that changes, not just the airflow on the attack edge. You see, here in East Cork, the closest body of water is the Sea, and it's pretty choppy...
Thank you for all the insights and the tests!
RC to full scale now you are in Peter Sripol land :)
this is one of the coolest things I've seen on youtube
Did that just work that well lol
A great flight and even the Loch Ness Monster popped his head up for a look. 10:24
end plates
YES. You have water to seal to--what better way to kill wingtip vortices? Isn't that one of the main advantages of ground effect--to "squash" vortices? Can't be that hard to try it!
What a fantastic conclusion to this project!! Very impressive!!
This is crazy cool. It looks like it's just on the edge of creating a whole new industry.
Gotta love it when an Ekranoplan comes together
Lucky shot when the fish was jumping out of the water. Cool project
Congratulations!! If flies!
Second set of motors behind pilot and in front of back wing.
Motor banks can be separately rotated between the two positions to achieve the right variations between push and float.
Hull design directly under pilot is an inverted “w” shape with the centre not as deep as the out sides. This will give you less drag in the water at take off or as the craft moves from full float to skimming through the tops of swell. Plus, as the craft lands on land the two outside peaks operate as landing rails like a helicopter.
Looking forward to your next innovation.
I would gladly volunteer to be a human guinea pig for that flying machine contraption.
Man, great work. Like the alu-tube-clamps very much. Good work.
Surprised it's so strong, that 3d printing.
PAFFFFFF... SQUARESPACE....
That was pretty awesome. Surprised that you scrapped it right away.
Friggin’ fantastic…🙏🏼❤️🙌🏼
So cool, you guys, great idea and great 'craftsmanship'! really fun to watch!
This is the beginning a beginning of an new era!
that was bloody amazing :) I would be over the moon if I were one you 2. Well done, well done.
Wow that was amazing! I want to see Part 2 where you get above the water with a human on board!
Excellent video chaps, thanks for the kitty update at the end too. Very important ;)
Well, that's the best thing I'm going to see on youtube for this month..
What a time to be alive, cant wait to see more!
That is friggin' cool. If anything might prompt someone to go on a diet and stick to it - being able to fly might just work!
This is amazing! Great job !!
Always refreshing to see people DOING!
Unfortunately; the great majority of so-called "creators" on youtube don't actually do anything original; they just strike narcissistic poses and "ad lib with 3rd grade show and tell skills"; these gentleman are NOT THAT!
This is what the internet is for,cool ideas like this
Awesome to see you guys collab!
That was amazing, good job!
I can see Rostislav Alexeyev, the creator of the ground effect vehicle, smiling happily in heaven after seeing this project
Great to see a happy ending to this one, after how it went last time. Just need more motors!
Looks like lots of fun! - seems like some reflex in the front wing would tame some of the pitching problem.
"For the next flight we got a little bit more artistic with the shots"
Artistic distant sirens engage
lol, crime ridden California
Didn't say anything about the audio 😂
Some ballast in place of a human would give you a good idea how much more power was needed. Very cool regardless !
That dude was having the time of his life!
Super cool man.
Now build one out of old Grumman aluminum boats and two small jet engines 👍🏻😁
Excellent job! As a sailor, I KNOW if the fabric is moving, there is no lift on that part of the wings. Hope this helps