Greatest Jazz Album of All Time?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Adam and Peter jump head first into Jazz history with this episode. Enjoy this listen of John Coltrane's potential Magnum Opus "A Love Supreme". What effect did this record have on your musical journey?
A Love Supreme
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As a freshman at Wayne state In Detroit 1965 l heard this album all over the Campus...lunch..hallways...breakfast...at jam sessions..
It spoke to me...transcending words...to feelings...
I understood and received it..
Without explanation.
Just the first 2 bars of tranes intro alone take my breath away
Adam had all 10s 15min in and Peter almost fell out his seat twice.
One of the greatest pieces of modern art in the last 200 years.
Modern art
Beyond explanation
Don't wanna be that guy but I would absolutely LOVE if you guys talked about some Wayne Shorter records. Perhaps JuJu or Speak no Evil? I love his works from that period.
with you on this. i find his music to be a spiritual successor to trane's impulse material
Yes!
Thank you two so much. I love listening to music by myself, but when I watch these videos it really does feel like I'm just listening to A Love Supreme with good friends. You both also provide very valuable insight that opens me to many new directions. Thank you Peter and Adam.
To me this record has always felt like meditation through music. The full commitment to the music, how all earthly things seem to disappear, the "loss of self" Peter talked about-- those are all principles of meditation. I've always admired the ability of Trane to do that: to not worry about anything but the music.... Shorter could do it too...
Very good comment
1:04:18 Speaking of coffee shops in Japan, the famous Japanese author Haruki Muraki is a former bar owner who would totally play this. His novels are full of references to jazz. He often writes about other music as well, including his book "Absolutely on Music" where he interviews the famous conductor Seiji Ozawa, but his work tends to speak more to jazz than other genres. If you've never heard of him, I'd recommend the book "After Dark" named after Curtis Fuller's "After Dark". It's a short read, not much over 100 pages iirc.
You mean Murakami?
@@edwardjons8684 Yeah, oops lol. It's Haruki Murakami. I promise I know his name. Just made a typo and didn't notice it.
Also, "After Dark" is more like 200 page. It's just such an engaging read that it feels fast I guess.
What I love most about Peter..... He puts the CULTURE FIRST! He understands the music but he also understands how the music reflects the culture. Give Peter his flowers NOW!
Definitely a desert island record…so much greatness!! Thank you for doing this!
Fantastic video you guys. Have absolutely loved your output recently.
The first phrase of Trane's melody on Resolution made me teary, and I think I "get" this album a lot more now at 33 than I did when I first heard it maybe age 19 or so. Still a lot to learn, but totally agreed at how fantastic it is.
I very much dig the little bits of discussion around spirituality, big message, race relations, roots, politics of the time, and the power this record had and still has. It would be awesome if you guys went even a little deeper on some of that stuff if you ever feel like, though it sort of felt like Adam was opening up about it and Peter wanted to talk about other things. Fair enough I suppose. Love the rapport you two have - hope to be lucky enough to see and hear you two doing your thing for years to come. Thanks Caleb too, I'm sure he deserves a bit more love.
I would love to see a "new" category that speaks about the "musical influence" of the given albums. Love you people!
This is so great, thanks. I just heard Bill Frisell w/Thomas Morgan and Rudy Royston, and I feel like they play rubato like no one else. Beautiful.
I think it needs to be “Snob-O-meter” not Stankface-O-meter because not all styles of jazz produce a stank-face. Maybe the jazz that is a precursor to, and a spark, to the future funk to come - can be judged by the Stankface o meter, it’s still a great idea, but I think we’re gonna bump into a problem at some point. But that’s ok because that meter is a chameleon and is ever changing! 😂😂😂
Thank you again for this series. It hit me emotionally when I heard the first track . Totally agree a very important and great album
There's a funny clip of David Crosby saying about how he was watching John Coltrane and Elvin Jones somewhere and he had to go and hide in the bathroom, then Coltrane burst into the bathroom, still playing his sax etc. have you seen that ???
That clip is hilarious!
Outstanding guys! Keep doing the hour plus episodes!
Despite the fact that I loved all of Coltrane's pre-Ascension albums, I genuinely believe that the impact of "A Love Supreme" would be n times greater on musicians (like me) than on the general public. Perhaps his albums with Johnny Hartman and Duke Ellington are more palatable to the average person, compared to the head-slapping "The Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost", for example.
Remarkable--just finished hearing the latest Darkhorse, about people who have no soul (and run the world), then this.
Ditch the snob/stank category and add a category “here’s 9 points just cuz”
What else could it be? "Resolution" is perfection.
I used To Try To hold My Breath as Coltrane" Recited" His Gospel according to John ~ then Gave up Breathless ...Coltrane Studied the Colour and Passion of Indian Raga Formulas ... His
Devotion to the Dicipline of this I think gave his Compositions that complexity and Wtf was just invented there moment ... Tempered
with a Bolt of Enlightened Resignation to the Master of
Jazz Sound
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I’m 25 minutes into the video, so maybe I’m making mention of it too soon, but you guys need to give Elvin some more love. Granted, it’s all rather subjective, but for me this is perhaps the heaviest drumming of all time; as well as the most visceral, unique (especially for the time) and intricate. If you’ve got the soul, the heart, and the ear, it’s difficult to say, whilst indeed in the midst of creating the form, that anyone else has ever plumbed such fierce and dazzling depths.
Come on guys, follow just his snare work; the ghost notes, 16th note triplets, dynamics, polyrhythms, syncopation; then independence of limbs, fury, eloquence and articulation… even in Resolution, where you rightly indicate he’s swinging his ass off, just barely beneath the surface of all that he is absolutely flying with his left hand. You gentlemen are wonderful, but let’s not gloss over too much of this.
talking about genius... could you also talk about how coltrane and others work hard to achieve this. thank!
I had a box set and in the liner notes Elvin said “to play like we did you had to be willing to die for a motherf*cker”
I love the way "A Love Supreme" chases away all the devils !
Thought that was Luka Doncic in the thumbnail 🤣🤣
What would be different if Steve Davis or Reggie Workman played on this?
I never listen to KoB and feel transformed afterward.
It feels wild to say KoB is empty, but compared to this, it is. I think the choice, if one has to rank them, is clear.
comparing KOB to A Love Supreme is like comparing an incredible piece of literature to a religious holy text. KOB is a monumental, genre defining album. But A Love Supreme's spiritual impact on many of those who have listened to it is an achievement that surpasses genre imo
Never stop talking about the snob-o-meter
A love Supreme is our Beethovens Ninth
It has been covered by Branford Marsalis and I always felt that this album must never be covered because it will never work. The Branford Marsalis version is no exception. To me it did not work. What do you guys think of his attempt?
Is your health going better Adam?
Bullshit-o-meter 😂🤣I thought I was the only one that uses that word😂
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These are strange compositions tbh. They have a strange format overall
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As a pianist, when you think about A Love Supreme compared to KOB, both albums produced piano voicings: So What voicings and McCoy voicings. How iconic do you have to be to actually create a voicing that lives on.
Resolution is the sickest tune
Enjoyed this, thanks. What do you guys think about reviewing Sonny Rollins' masterpiece Saxophone Colossus next?
Really cool vid. Would love to hear y'all talk about / listen to India by Coltrane as well
An album that in my opinion can't be ranked.
It just holds its own space in music.......
Thank you John Coltrane
Yeah, I almost feel like including A Love Supreme in the question of what the “best” Jazz record is misses the point of the record. Love Supreme isn’t about being the best jazz record. It’s as silly as asking what the best prayer is.
The combination snob-o-meter with Aunt Linda was well thought out, in my view. An interesting measure of breadth of appeal.
I'll be interested to see how "stankface" applies across a wide range of the greats' offerings. You guys select the tastiest!
The opening to A Love Supreme has been my morning wake up alarm for maybe seven years now. I never grow tired of hearing JC’s sax announcing the arrival of the sun.
This was an awesome episode! I liked that you guys hadn't done a lot of Love Supreme content on the channel and took the time to do a more lengthy discussion of it.
I would love it if you guys discussed Saxophone Colossus on one of these episodes!
Yes! Or ‘Night at the Village Vanguard’.
I’ve never caught that sax overdub on the last couple notes, it comes in naturally in the right ear on top of the first layer which is in the left… is anyone else hearing that?
The first three jazz albums I bought were this, Eric Dolphy/Booker Little at the Five Spot and Thelonious Monk Greatest Hits on Columbia. Coltrane didn't do it for me at first but McCoy's solo on Resolution blew my mind. I asked my high school music teacher what he was doing and he said "Oh, he's using modes." That didn't help me at all, lol. I told an older jazz musician that I played with what my teacher had said and he said "First of all, that guy doesn't know shit" and tried to explain it to me but 15 year old me was NOT ready for it. Eventually I grew to love the whole record but McCoy on this excites me every time. The comping, the solos. This record is one of McCoy's great moments. These days it's Elvin that grabs my attention but like any great record, there are so many layers that no matter how many times you listen you learn something new.
Is it better than KOB? I would rather ask: If you could take only one single album to the island, what would be your choice? For me the answer is clear: A Love Supreme. No doubt about it.
Yes
Not bebop..
Cosmic..exploration...
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A Love Supreme was given to me on a dubbed cassette by my instrument teacher, with Shorter's JuJu as the B side. This was the first jazz I was ever given and ever really listened to deeply. Eventually got the softsided Impuse reissue cd. I will never forget figuring out that the poem on the CD was played on the sax. Way before the internet to tell me it was a thing. I remember following along while my mind was blowing. Gotta be over 30 years ago now. "No road is an easy one" is the line that I can always pick out when listening without the lyrics. This was such a deep realization after having listened to the album a bunch as just a dubbed tape. Along with the obvious emotion involved by all the players, this totally cemented ALS as one of the best creative works of art that I appreciate. Quite possibly my favorite jazz album of all time.
I was fortunate enough to see Jazz at Lincoln Center play the entirety of ALS in the summer of '22 at Tanglewood. It was amazing.
A perfect album with perfect analysis. True soul music.
This may sound strange but i feel like ALS is the more cerebral, introverted older sibling of What’s Goin On by Marvin Gaye. Different personalities, different loves, but underlying genetics and parallel meditations by siblings, one interior life and one exterior life
For me, the greatest record ever made. Bought it when I was 16, instantly got/heard/understood it. Now I am 68 and my opinion hasn’t changed, nothing even comes close. Although, Sun Ship and Transition are right up there also.
I love love the new longer format. Have listened to every episode. One proposal though: maybe do away with the scoring. I know it’s kind of how the series started, but I feel like numbers do not encapsulate the art and subjectivity. I think keep the categories and then just discuss what you like/don’t like in each category.
Also pls keep going through all the classic/greatest albums.
Black Saint and the Sinner Lady soon plsssssssssss
Mmmm I agree. It made sense with shorter episodes but with the longer format it seems like they have this flow and then have to break it because they remember the scoring. Also yes black saint and the sinner lady and also sketches of spain! Would love some big band representation
Duuuude Black Saint
The first time I played along to Elvin the feeling was very similar to Randori (sparring in Judo). He was both kicking my butt but encouraging and inspiring me at the same time. I love the way Peter describe it: it's like being in the eye of a hurricane that does not destroy you but lifts you up! Amazing the power of music. Thanks for your insights!
A love supreme was the second jazz album I ever listened to aftet kind of blue which I didnt click with at first. I remember how it felt listening to and its the reason I love jazz so much now. It catches the energy in the room but that energy itself is almost from a different world.
A friend of mine in college played A Love Supreme on his Senior recital. Pretty cool
Good morning ☕️🎹Thanks for this discussion. I listen to it weekly. My alarm in the morning is the tribute cover by Anga Diaz on the album Echu Minga. Reminding me to remain grateful.
The three note bass line is also the three notes of the melody of Manteca. I wonder if you have seen the UA-cam transcription by Omree Gal-Oz.
Let’s never forget just how great McCoy Tyner is on this too
My favorite jazz pianist
50:12 - I assume that Trane was in a space far far away from cognizing mortal humanly notions vis-a-vis "in/out of time" & "rhythmic attenuations" but I see what youre getting at.
"its like a hurricane but its not killing you, it's lifting you up!" - perfect metaphor/image for the specific cacophonous beauty that only the John Coltrane Quartet can deliver.
Stank face o-meter ... Good decision bro
A complete masterpiece
John Coletrane's Giant Steps for me... more melodic, dare I say poppy, accessible!
The passion that you both have for music is great to see. Excellent episode.
Great point at 25:55: The best art leaves room for the observer to bring their own meaning to the work.
Have you done Oscar Peterson Trio's Affinity? Stank face is definitely a 10! 😦😧
Folks. If you can - visit the coltrane church in san francisco. Be part of the holy mass
i think, for an actually infinite God, nothing is superfluous.
They’re both great albums, for different reasons.
cover art? come on. dumb category
This deserves way more views - superb episode.
Can we somehow score over 100?
"Unh! Unh!" whyyyyy 😢
Thanks for the great hang.
Speaking of Japanese art appreciation, check out the movie “Perfect Days”.
30:18-31:00 - piano solo sounds like Vince Guaraldi on “A Charlie Brown’s Christmas”
My first jazz album was "Live at Birdland". Still one of my faves. A guy working in the record store picked it out for me: I went in (was about 17, in 1969) and said "I want to start listening to some jazz- where should I start?" He went nuts: "Oh wow, this one. No, this one. No maybe.." the he settled on this and man did he know what he was doing. Later I went thru a middle Miles period, ESP, Nefertiti, Filles de Kilimanjaro....Herbie's Maiden Voyage...This one is sure magnificent. Same spirit. I had the good fortune to see McCoy once, Herbie a
couple of times also Wayne Shorter and Tony Williams....Herbie gave a "master class" at UC Berkeley that a friend tipped me off to. Just him on stage with a grand piano and a few hundred folks sitting in the aisles...he demonstrated the chords from that period.
This was a marvellous experience, both to hear your thoughts and the original album again. So glad the Johnny Hartman album got a mention, which was my introduction to Coltrane, and which I managed to get Elvin to sign my CD copy of at Ronnie Scotts in the early 2000s. About time you did an Oscar Peterson album, but NOT "We Get Requests".The Trio (with NHOP and Joe Pass) or Night Train.
That's it!
As far as, is this better than Kind of Blue?... I'd listen to this 9 out of 10 times, over KoB, fwiw. Everyone has different tastes, though.
need analysis of Joey Calderazzo solo on resolution from Branford quartet version of this masterpiece... whew
I'm a confirmed atheist. But I'm so glad that religion exists when it inspires something like this.
I'd also like to thank LinkedIn and AirBnb for timing their interruptions so reverentially. 🤨
Great episode, I love it when you guys actually change your mind because the music is so good.
I was waiting for a Trane episode and you didn’t disappoint.
I love listening to the album with you - I would listen to a second episode where you talk more in depth about what happens with the music on these albums.
@17:35 Trane repeating the foundational melody in the different registers is symbolic of The Creator; in multitudinous permutations, incarnations, manifestations; as present in and expressed through all beings and things. Then the subsequent vocal mantra, humanity, delivering the message at a level even deeper than his external instrument can convey - we, ourselves, an extension of the divine, the most fundamental and essential enactor and communicator.
KOB?
The original score by Trane , had congas in it .
On my good days , i can practice to the 12 bar structure , Pursuance , and get through it
Awesome episode and awesome record! What is the problem with RVG's piano?
Consider the piano playing in love supreme relative to the first movement of the quartet for the end of time!
Thank you very much. Learning so much from you guys.
I still have a tear stained LP of this masterpiece recording
I think I wore out Pursuance on my vinyl
Thanks for doing an episode on this masterpiece
Exciting to discover this podcast
Arrhhh. I liked the Snobometer;o)
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It is for me... Jazz's general magnum opus... I remember the first time I heard it... felt a divine presence... not joking... peace
Good confab.