The first time I watched Toms' presentation, I had recently upgraded my kit to v7.12.1 and I have to admit that I wasn't really concentrating on the detailed explanations; the important parts. The second time around, I was more focused and more attentive, and things were much clearer and easier to understand. Cheers Toms
I had the feeling Mikrotik would pull this off when I bought a bunch op hap ac2's two years ago. Just installed and I see an inmedeate 1.2-2x improvement in 5Ghz speed. Big Big thanks to the team making this happen. The easy thing would have been to regard these devices as obsolete and leave them as-is. Take your time for WiFi 7, I know it'll be great!
Welcome the change, a little painful in the implementation (due to the low storage on ac2 and others), but being able to upgrade capable device to wifiwave2 is great. Cheers for the continued support of older devices. Cant wait to give it a try.
@@materangics6984 huh? They've just enabled wifiwave2 features on hardware that previously didn't support it. How is that at all a bad thing? Am I missing something?
Awesome! Thank you so much!! I thought the cAP AC's I bought a year ago were obsolete now, but MT came through with a win. I finally got around to setting up my cAP AX today, and stumbled across the 7.13 changes. The only sticky point was I mistakenly thought there was a way to browse addon packages in the UX, and it wasn't immediately obvious that uninstalling and installing packages were triggered by a reboot. Once I figurded that out, I was able to get WPA3 working flawlessly. Thanks again! You rock MT!
@MikroTik Please put on description URL to documentation bcs this new "WIFI" have a total differ interface to setup wifi - you again create a someting new, like 5 ways to configure vlans but now for wifi - perfect idea, ahh!
Meet a problem, that the client (mobile phone, computer) cannot connect the APs (wifi-qcom-ac capsman), that shown incorrect wifi password.(hAP ac2, hAP ac3 ,wAP ac (arm))
Toms could you please do a detailed video on setting up wifi 6 on ROS WIFI with VLANS and multiple SSIDs please. I have purchased CAPAX AP's to replace my old CAPAC's but i cannot get the network VLAN subnets to work. Clients connect to caps, radios all working well managed by my RB4011 under WIFI. But despite trying almost everything i still cannot resolve my VLAN issue. Please help provide a definitive how to on setting this up. Many thanks.
Please do something for hap ac2. Because of low storage, when I click on "download and install" to upgrade from 7.12.1 to 7.13.1, it fails with a log of shortage of storage, although there is nothing in storage other than the original file by OS.
Will switching from the wireless package to wifi-qcom-ac require a full reconfiguration of wireless interfaces/profiles in a stand-alone configuration? Update: Nevermind, just upgrading to 7.13 alone broke the wifi configuration (cAP ac) =)
Does this mean the wAP ac will be able to do WPA3 and wifiwave2 as well? I remember it used to be exclusive to 256 MB RAM devices but the other compatible devices you mentioned have 128 MB, so I'm really hoping this can bring some life into the wAP ac, as I've been holding off purchases until there was a wAP ac which could do WPA3 or a wAP ax which many of us are still keen for. Edit: Looks like it supports the second gen wAP ac, but not the first gen one (as a side note, some better product names would make this distinction a lot easier, but I think it's been better since, I guess if it was to be done now, it would be called the wAP ac²).
From reading the forums, I know the differences but this still sounded confusing(the table at 3:42 is a good, short explanation though). Moving CAPsMAN out(on the main menu) and rearranging(hiding somewhere else or renaming) “WiFi” and “Wireless” would probably resolve some of the confusion.
I have a hAP ac2 router. Which package should i upgrade to? I upgrade manually and i tried upgrading to RouterOS 7.13 but now my router SSID is gone and i cannot connect wirelessly. Someone please help.
Woh, what a changes. Got to see what this means when I will update my cap ax. But my guess is that I have to stop my Mikrotik for friends-and-family program. It's unmanageable.
All this confusion is why I’m staying away from Mikrotik Wifi for now for home setup. For now running my Hex and using an ASUS AX router as an Access Point.
I just got my RB5009 and quite like it, but there is a glaring flaw, that made me seriously consider just returning it. Tell me, why oh why there is no buzzer on this router? How can I live without my router playing silly songs? Why did you guys do this?
Side question: Now that WifiWave2 works on both the cAP AC (XL) and cAP AX, what are the differences? I noticed my phone lists them as WiFi 5 and 6 respectfully, but since both devices support fast roaming and WPA3, what differentiates them now? Thanks!
I have to reboot HAP AC2 so many times and even connect it to laptop wired to switch to new wifi-qcom-ac, so it was hardest ros upgrade in my life. It was night mare, just imagine: at first update to 7.12, reboot, Upgrade Firmware to 7.12, reboot, update to 7.13, reboot, upgrade Firmware to 7.13, reboot. Upload wifi-qcom-ac file, reboot, it failed to install due to insufficient flash space, uninstall wireless package, reboot, connect to laptop via cable and upload wifi-qcom-ac file, reboot. Also because it is a backup router I decided to configure it from scratch via quick set, so I made Reset Configuration. I think it's even not possible to make such update on real PROD router without really long downtime and on-site presence.
after update from 7.12 to 7.13(netinstall, because regular update brick hap ac2 with 16 mb rom) and installed a wireless package I unable to install zero-tier have no few kb space(log message) sad
I have several HEX S, HAP AC lite, HAP Lite all running capman (controlled from HEX). Just got HAP Ax, and would like to use new capman. what should I do? 1. not all device can be upgrade to ROS7. 2. how is performance of HAP AC lite with ROS7 (it only has 64mb as minimum requirement of ROS7). 3 can new capman control capman device from ROS6?
Maybe I'm missing some very obvious points, but I'm trying to get my hapac2 & capac network working with wave2. Installed the packages correctly, capsman is using my bridge as interface, the connected capac can connect to it, but I cannot get to work the hap local interfaces (configuration.manager:capsman, CAP enabled, listening on the same bridge). The hap wifi interfaces simply say "no connection to CAPsMAN". I can provision those radios if I hit provision on the radios tab, but that's not the same, isn't it? Is there any obvious solution?
capsmann with new packages on this devices is really buggy. Also much bugs with wpa3, some of mine home devices cant connect (but its ok on another vendor device). I think we need to wait for 7.14
After installation a new package our bridge-lan have 2x unknow interfaces who must be corrected by this new wifi interfaces - MikroTik should do that automatically. New QuickSet not setup a wifi properply - again it's broke - this is like always not working feature - you should remove QuickSet if it's not work.
Im planning to buying a cAP AX for my RB5009 PoE versiomn. I want to manage that via Capsman. Is that possible? what do i need? Im running the latest testing release of routeros 7.15 beta 6 installed packages are routeros and wireless on the RB5009
Yes, it's possible. I have the same HW configuration (ROS 7.15.2). The "routeros" package is enough to manage WiFi 6 APs (like cAP AX). I disabled "wireless" package as I don't have any other APs. It is required to manage up to WiFi 5 APs only.
Is MikroTik going to offer an option like most other wireless. I think Ubiquiti calls it PPSK. So one radio has separate passwords and people can be on separate VLANS and such.
You can assign different passphrases to different clients, based on their MAC address, by using the access-list. You can also assign per-user VLANs, but this feature is only supported on 802.11ax chipsets.
@@mikrotik Somehow i don't manage to configure guest WLAN in mixed Capsman network. So i have AC and AX devices (7.13+) controlled by 5009 7.12.1 and i don't know how to set this up. Any guide would be very helpful.
I just started looking into the Wi-Fi setup for 2x Mikrotik cap ax with my crs317 and its really a mess. Trying to understand all the differences and nuances you have to take care of when the initial proposal is "just go to capsman, set your configuration and put accesspoint in capsman mode to be discovered" is very very frustrating. Unfortunately its not as easy as it should be pushing the configuration from Capsman to a new AP. Why on earth do you have this awful inconsistent naming with Wifi - Wirless- Capsman and wifiwave2. For initial setup there shouldnt be a doctor in computer science required.
I cannot comprehense how you managed to destroy something that was working... The fact that wifi-qcom-ac do require new capsman is a step back, i have a lot of old mikrotiks and single hap ac2 and in order to use it with new drivers that would benefit speed, i have to run second capsman or configure it manually..... I have site with 4 hap ac2 and 4 hap ac lite and it grinds my gears how messy it become.... Same thing with vlan configuration... 3 ways to do this... all 3 ways with exclusions, and special conditions......
Big fan of this change, but now, the roaming between old and new wifi devices with the same ssid will not be seamless. Environments with devices mixed between hAPac and hAPax2 for example.
From my understanding, CAPsMAN does not do roaming, it’s the WiFi protocols supported by “Wave2” routers and the client devices that adds the roaming capability.
@@aliancemd yep, but that means it wasn't seamless to begin with in the case of the OP's environment. Now at least parts of it can be, so it's still better than what we had before.
What a mess here. Extremely cumbersome implementation. Mikrotik has absolutely no strategy around wireless, this is pretty crazy to see. Very sad to see that existing users are left alone with a super complex configuration, because businesswise we are not important any more.
Unbelievable poorly prepared such important change in latest 7.13 router os, why my wifi configuration have been deleted ? where is documentation to 7.13.1 version ? how to configure wifi ? where can I finf wifi packges. Many people will lose time to configure this crap and will never order it again, more over I expect many will spread information over the internet Don'T buy it, just dont!
We understand this change will not be received with open arms by everyone, however it laid foundations that will help us serve our customers better in the future. When it comes to the documentation, you can find it here: help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WiFi
But why do users of older versions of routerboard now need to see non-working garbage in the interface? Why include these interface elements of the new wifi by default in the main routeros package? Why not make both the new and old wireless interfaces separate packages?
The first time I watched Toms' presentation, I had recently upgraded my kit to v7.12.1 and I have to admit that I wasn't really concentrating on the detailed explanations; the important parts. The second time around, I was more focused and more attentive, and things were much clearer and easier to understand.
Cheers Toms
I had the feeling Mikrotik would pull this off when I bought a bunch op hap ac2's two years ago. Just installed and I see an inmedeate 1.2-2x improvement in 5Ghz speed. Big Big thanks to the team making this happen. The easy thing would have been to regard these devices as obsolete and leave them as-is. Take your time for WiFi 7, I know it'll be great!
Welcome the change, a little painful in the implementation (due to the low storage on ac2 and others), but being able to upgrade capable device to wifiwave2 is great.
Cheers for the continued support of older devices. Cant wait to give it a try.
Mikrotik really shine on their continued support for even the oldest of equipment. Big reason I love using them.
@@shaunclarke94 Unfortunately not in this case. This is a perfect showcase how they absolutely don't care.
@@materangics6984 huh? They've just enabled wifiwave2 features on hardware that previously didn't support it.
How is that at all a bad thing?
Am I missing something?
Great news! One note to the video, next time put the documentation link in the references so I don't have to search to find the link :-)
Awesome! Thank you so much!! I thought the cAP AC's I bought a year ago were obsolete now, but MT came through with a win. I finally got around to setting up my cAP AX today, and stumbled across the 7.13 changes. The only sticky point was I mistakenly thought there was a way to browse addon packages in the UX, and it wasn't immediately obvious that uninstalling and installing packages were triggered by a reboot. Once I figurded that out, I was able to get WPA3 working flawlessly. Thanks again! You rock MT!
Thanks for the brief explanation, I was confused yesterday.
@MikroTik Please put on description URL to documentation bcs this new "WIFI" have a total differ interface to setup wifi - you again create a someting new, like 5 ways to configure vlans but now for wifi - perfect idea, ahh!
Great video and it made more sense when I started migrating to the wifi packages.
I would love a capsman video for the wifi-qcom-ac.
Meet a problem, that the client (mobile phone, computer) cannot connect the APs (wifi-qcom-ac capsman), that shown incorrect wifi password.(hAP ac2, hAP ac3 ,wAP ac (arm))
Toms could you please do a detailed video on setting up wifi 6 on ROS WIFI with VLANS and multiple SSIDs please. I have purchased CAPAX AP's to replace my old CAPAC's but i cannot get the network VLAN subnets to work. Clients connect to caps, radios all working well managed by my RB4011 under WIFI. But despite trying almost everything i still cannot resolve my VLAN issue. Please help provide a definitive how to on setting this up. Many thanks.
I like this guy, this guy rocks!
Please do something for hap ac2. Because of low storage, when I click on "download and install" to upgrade from 7.12.1 to 7.13.1, it fails with a log of shortage of storage, although there is nothing in storage other than the original file by OS.
I am a huge fan of your products..MikroTik!!
Will switching from the wireless package to wifi-qcom-ac require a full reconfiguration of wireless interfaces/profiles in a stand-alone configuration?
Update: Nevermind, just upgrading to 7.13 alone broke the wifi configuration (cAP ac) =)
Does this mean the wAP ac will be able to do WPA3 and wifiwave2 as well?
I remember it used to be exclusive to 256 MB RAM devices but the other compatible devices you mentioned have 128 MB, so I'm really hoping this can bring some life into the wAP ac, as I've been holding off purchases until there was a wAP ac which could do WPA3 or a wAP ax which many of us are still keen for.
Edit: Looks like it supports the second gen wAP ac, but not the first gen one (as a side note, some better product names would make this distinction a lot easier, but I think it's been better since, I guess if it was to be done now, it would be called the wAP ac²).
Yes, the wifi-qcom-ac package is compatible with all boards based on the IPQ4018/9 CPU and enables WiFi5 wave 2 features and WPA3 authentication.
@@mikrotik thanks for the confirmation. Love your products!
Don't suppose you can give us a hint as to if there will be a wAP ax?
@@mikrotik Would you suggest changing Wireless package to wifi-qcom-ac on LHG XL 5 ac, I use it for PtP linking?
From reading the forums, I know the differences but this still sounded confusing(the table at 3:42 is a good, short explanation though). Moving CAPsMAN out(on the main menu) and rearranging(hiding somewhere else or renaming) “WiFi” and “Wireless” would probably resolve some of the confusion.
I have a hAP ac2 router. Which package should i upgrade to? I upgrade manually and i tried upgrading to RouterOS 7.13 but now my router SSID is gone and i cannot connect wirelessly. Someone please help.
you can add wireless package
Woh, what a changes. Got to see what this means when I will update my cap ax. But my guess is that I have to stop my Mikrotik for friends-and-family program. It's unmanageable.
Revolution starts once old wifi4 devices will run on wave2 package and overall mess reduced. Not now.
More of this guy
All this confusion is why I’m staying away from Mikrotik Wifi for now for home setup. For now running my Hex and using an ASUS AX router as an Access Point.
I just got my RB5009 and quite like it, but there is a glaring flaw, that made me seriously consider just returning it.
Tell me, why oh why there is no buzzer on this router? How can I live without my router playing silly songs? Why did you guys do this?
Side question: Now that WifiWave2 works on both the cAP AC (XL) and cAP AX, what are the differences? I noticed my phone lists them as WiFi 5 and 6 respectfully, but since both devices support fast roaming and WPA3, what differentiates them now?
Thanks!
Hi Guys, suggestion for a cheat AP ARM based i could add to my existing system already using Wifi6 technology? Thanks
I have to reboot HAP AC2 so many times and even connect it to laptop wired to switch to new wifi-qcom-ac, so it was hardest ros upgrade in my life. It was night mare, just imagine: at first update to 7.12, reboot, Upgrade Firmware to 7.12, reboot, update to 7.13, reboot, upgrade Firmware to 7.13, reboot.
Upload wifi-qcom-ac file, reboot, it failed to install due to insufficient flash space, uninstall wireless package, reboot, connect to laptop via cable and upload wifi-qcom-ac file, reboot. Also because it is a backup router I decided to configure it from scratch via quick set, so I made Reset Configuration. I think it's even not possible to make such update on real PROD router without really long downtime and on-site presence.
after update from 7.12 to 7.13(netinstall, because regular update brick hap ac2 with 16 mb rom)
and installed a wireless package
I unable to install zero-tier have no few kb space(log message)
sad
Chateau 5G ax No WIFI after upgrade 7.13 ，I need configuration instructions that detail that, or remote tech support please, thanks!
noob question
I use hAP ac2 as an AP. will upgrading to 7.13 improve anything significantly, wireless-wise?
looks still a bit confusing..
3:42 that table should be helpful
I have several HEX S, HAP AC lite, HAP Lite all running capman (controlled from HEX). Just got HAP Ax, and would like to use new capman. what should I do? 1. not all device can be upgrade to ROS7. 2. how is performance of HAP AC lite with ROS7 (it only has 64mb as minimum requirement of ROS7). 3 can new capman control capman device from ROS6?
Maybe I'm missing some very obvious points, but I'm trying to get my hapac2 & capac network working with wave2. Installed the packages correctly, capsman is using my bridge as interface, the connected capac can connect to it, but I cannot get to work the hap local interfaces (configuration.manager:capsman, CAP enabled, listening on the same bridge). The hap wifi interfaces simply say "no connection to CAPsMAN". I can provision those radios if I hit provision on the radios tab, but that's not the same, isn't it?
Is there any obvious solution?
capsmann with new packages on this devices is really buggy. Also much bugs with wpa3, some of mine home devices cant connect (but its ok on another vendor device). I think we need to wait for 7.14
how can we move configuration from capsman to WIFI for order to APs use new features
can you help me to downgrade sxtsq 5ac model RBSXTsqG 5acD
After installation a new package our bridge-lan have 2x unknow interfaces who must be corrected by this new wifi interfaces - MikroTik should do that automatically.
New QuickSet not setup a wifi properply - again it's broke - this is like always not working feature - you should remove QuickSet if it's not work.
Im planning to buying a cAP AX for my RB5009 PoE versiomn. I want to manage that via Capsman. Is that possible? what do i need? Im running the latest testing release of routeros 7.15 beta 6
installed packages are routeros and wireless on the RB5009
Yes, it's possible. I have the same HW configuration (ROS 7.15.2).
The "routeros" package is enough to manage WiFi 6 APs (like cAP AX). I disabled "wireless" package as I don't have any other APs. It is required to manage up to WiFi 5 APs only.
Is MikroTik going to offer an option like most other wireless. I think Ubiquiti calls it PPSK. So one radio has separate passwords and people can be on separate VLANS and such.
You can assign different passphrases to different clients, based on their MAC address, by using the access-list.
You can also assign per-user VLANs, but this feature is only supported on 802.11ax chipsets.
@@mikrotik Somehow i don't manage to configure guest WLAN in mixed Capsman network. So i have AC and AX devices (7.13+) controlled by 5009 7.12.1 and i don't know how to set this up. Any guide would be very helpful.
At the end I can't make WiFi work under Routeros v7.13.2
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I just started looking into the Wi-Fi setup for 2x Mikrotik cap ax with my crs317 and its really a mess. Trying to understand all the differences and nuances you have to take care of when the initial proposal is "just go to capsman, set your configuration and put accesspoint in capsman mode to be discovered" is very very frustrating. Unfortunately its not as easy as it should be pushing the configuration from Capsman to a new AP. Why on earth do you have this awful inconsistent naming with Wifi - Wirless- Capsman and wifiwave2. For initial setup there shouldnt be a doctor in computer science required.
How can I get alpha updates? 🤔
Both testing and development channels have the same versions
Not possible. Only for internal use
Have a hap ax2 and radios get lost with wireless package(
How uninstall this wireless package 😢
Will we get a native Apple Silicon winbox for MAC OS X?
They mentioned previously that they are working on it but there is no deadline
no
I cannot comprehense how you managed to destroy something that was working... The fact that wifi-qcom-ac do require new capsman is a step back, i have a lot of old mikrotiks and single hap ac2 and in order to use it with new drivers that would benefit speed, i have to run second capsman or configure it manually..... I have site with 4 hap ac2 and 4 hap ac lite and it grinds my gears how messy it become.... Same thing with vlan configuration... 3 ways to do this... all 3 ways with exclusions, and special conditions......
Similar issue here. Working my way through it this weekend
Big fan of this change, but now, the roaming between old and new wifi devices with the same ssid will not be seamless. Environments with devices mixed between hAPac and hAPax2 for example.
This was already an issue though.
@@shaunclarke94 I am aware. I’m asking for a solution.
@@MustaMT did the legacy CAPSMAN support seamless roaming?
From my understanding, CAPsMAN does not do roaming, it’s the WiFi protocols supported by “Wave2” routers and the client devices that adds the roaming capability.
@@aliancemd yep, but that means it wasn't seamless to begin with in the case of the OP's environment. Now at least parts of it can be, so it's still better than what we had before.
What a mess here. Extremely cumbersome implementation. Mikrotik has absolutely no strategy around wireless, this is pretty crazy to see.
Very sad to see that existing users are left alone with a super complex configuration, because businesswise we are not important any more.
The guy is using 7.14 alpha 😂
How can an alpha use beta?
@@mikrotik Sorry didn't get it
@@mikrotik😂
Unbelievable poorly prepared such important change in latest 7.13 router os, why my wifi configuration have been deleted ? where is documentation to 7.13.1 version ? how to configure wifi ? where can I finf wifi packges. Many people will lose time to configure this crap and will never order it again, more over I expect many will spread information over the internet Don'T buy it, just dont!
We understand this change will not be received with open arms by everyone, however it laid foundations that will help us serve our customers better in the future. When it comes to the documentation, you can find it here: help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WiFi
But why do users of older versions of routerboard now need to see non-working garbage in the interface? Why include these interface elements of the new wifi by default in the main routeros package? Why not make both the new and old wireless interfaces separate packages?