Let's all just take a moment and appreciate the dedication, patience and sheer will this man has, to not only buy this game, but boot it up, click "Play," actually play, complete it AND find things to like about it... This guy... That is Vergil's level of power and motivation!
It is at least good to know that Kevin's last performance as Batman does not end with Suicide Squad, rather with Crisis on Infinite Earths where he reprises his first role as Batman in BTAS. Which sounds more deserving, Kevin finishes where he started.
Unfortunately the large majority of rocksteady's staff that were there for the arkham games just aren't at the studio anymore. I love the old rocksteady and I hope to see the current one get a fair shot to show off their talent but I'm honestly not expecting much. 🙁
I see a lot of gamers think that the studio name automatically means the game will be good.. They don't realise companies like rocksteady and Rockstar barley have anyone left in the company that was part of the orginal games success.. It's not the studio name that counts it's the names behind the studio.. If you are fan of GTA until now you are more a fan of Sam and Dan houser..
@@slycat128 really cause don't see Paul dinis name on anything related to SS.. Even though he didn't write knight either at least he set the tone with the story for asylum and city
Took me two tries to finish watching the cut scenes. The first time, about 20-30 minutes in, I just got bored. A week later, I forced myself to watch it all and besides a few parts, it was bad.
I do like that Boomerang keeps latching onto calling Flash “Barry” even though without a last name or any other sort of info just knowing his first name is basically useless information.
16:38 Monolith (the developers of the middle earth series) is making a wonder woman game so hopefully theyre able to do something amazing with it especially since they have the nemesis system under their belt.
They BETTER use that system to it's fullest.. One of the biggest dick moves in game development the past 20 years to make it so only they could use it.. They would make Rockstar money if they rented that system to other studios
Damn. You missed the fact that both Boomer and Flash make the same comment. "He's the Flash! You might as well post 'im the bullet!" "Really!? Why don't you just mail me the bullet?"
As I mentioned to Cenimawins, I enjoy both the praises and your honest opinion. The way you did it where the counting was (mostly) the good parts and you left the negative stuff until the end is really the best format. Keep up the good work :)
@@tevenpowell8023 It is easier to hate Things than Like it and sins Channels seemingly don't even try to Like Something. And If you want actual Satire, watch Ryan Georges Pitch Meetings
@tevenpowell8023 yeah I'll never understand people who think like that. Imagine going to a restaurant and the chef purposefully put hairs in your food and you just smile and say thanks because you don't want to be rude and negative
I'll never understand why Warner didn't choose to have Rocksteady make Gotham Knights and have THAT game be a continuation of the Arkham games. I feel like it could've fit much better into the Arkham universe IF Rocksteady got the chance to make it.
You are a beacon of positivity. Even if we hate this game, its nice to see you being so kind to rocksteady/the voice actors and calling out what they actually did right in this game feels really genuine. It feels good to know that not everyone is a complete cynic nowadays, keep spreading that positivity :)
12:45 OK I’m one hand the penguin fan and me loves seeing him be the butt of the joke… But the Mr. freeze fan and me hates that Ivy implied that Victor isn’t a genius scientist
Mad Respect for you making this video. Not a lot of people would be brave enough to do this considering the Overwhelming Hate. I too also believe that a Game Studio that spent a decade making a game didnt go out of the way to make a terrible game. And as bad as it is there can be some positive to be found.
@@tevenpowell8023 I know some Studios just makes a Game and don’t care if it good or bad. I have seen games be funded only for said game to be released and then peace out. They did what they was asked no matter the quality.
@@KavinCatastrophe I'm gonna be honest: the fact that the game requires you to always be online makes me hesitant to say they truly care about their fans. With this game's pretty poor sales, there's a very real possibility that they'll shut down the servers in a year or two if player numbers don't really go up. Or if the people that play don't really dole out the cash in the game store. And when that happens nobody who likes the game will be able play anymore, since you are required to be connected to the server to even play single player. They'll "Peace Out" as you put it. Practices like that only serve to hold the game ransom from its actually loyal playerbase if they wanna keep it, it's a real scummy practice. If they end up updating the game to not require online for single player I'll take it back, but it's hard for me to believe they care too much about the fans having a quality game until they do. Gamplay's real fun tho. Reminds me of Sunset Overdrive.
Yeah, Rocksteady does still deserve praise despite being forced to make this passionless game. Batman deserved a better ending, do hope that the clone theory is correct and our Batman that we grew up with way back in 2009 is still out there when this one who died on a bench was a fake. The evidence to back this up is 12 randomly placed bat calendars spread across Metropolis which all have specific dates and hidden letters all spelling out “He will return”.
Yeah you’re right. To me anyways they were being super obvious that they are clones. Flash’s thumb regrowing, Wonder Woman saying “it should have killed him” when kryptonite doesnt effect Superman and the Lantern ring being weird.
@@inshal6420 yeah, it was weird that none of the squad pointed out Flash having both of his thumbs and not looking deeper into why the kryptonite didn’t kill Superman despite a whole chunk being impaled through his chest. At the same time it wasn’t really well told the story and that more came down to Sweet Baby Inc scripting it, no one at Rocksteady ever touched the storyline.
I've had alot of fun with this game. I Love the Traversals through the city (especially boomerang's teleports) and I had some really thrilling fights that actually had me laughing maniacally when I was destroying peeps. The ending was disappointing but then it wasn't really an ending at all. Even if all the dlc characters are lame I enjoyed switching between and playing as all four of these characters.
King shark seems like a pragmatic dude. He’s fine with killing but he’s got similar morals to Diana and he shows the most empathy during the kills. Appreciate this tough work lol
As much of a disappointment this game was. Watching all you videos helped me realize that there are moments in the game that do deserve there credit. Tara Strong in my opinion was a phenomenal choice for Harley. Absolutely nailed the voice and her personality
Honestly I don't really get all the hate for this game. I went into it expecting a dumpster fire from what I heard about it. Having actually played it, it's really fun. The gameplay is good, the controls are tight, and the game was funny sometimes. It's nowhere near the masterpieces the Arkham games are but it is far from a bad game.
This game has many good things about it and has many bad things as all games do, it’s not the worst game yes some of the story choices aren’t great but it’s a good story and a fun one
If there's one positive this game gave us, its a kickass gamingwins video. Its great to see you find positivity in this.... and major props for helping us to dodge a bullet with this. Because I admit I was curious on how the story played out
Best part of the game was the voice acting Edit- Seriously if it was JUST suicide squad game instead of against the justice league it would've been GREAT
As someone who enjoyed the game while playing, I DO want this to continue if only for Rocksteady to have the chance to play out the WHOLE story they have planned. I think we basically all know at this point that the Justice League, OUR Justice League isn't truly dead (except for WW, but I'll get to her in a bit). There are plenty of videos that explain the evidence better than me, so all I'll say is: disappearing bodies and calendars. And the fact that all those elements (including the ones I didn't mention) are in the game FROM THE GET GO shows that Rocksteady knows that people would hate it if they just straight up murdered their Justice League and have a plan to bring them back. There's a lot of ways they could do it and I have a fair few of my own theories on how they can, INCLUDING WW, so if you want me to write them below, let me know (also a nice little thing they could do with Joker when he shows up). I'm just really hoping this game lives long enough for them to get the chance to tell that story, so the Arkham Universe isn't just left in that state.
Honestly this is best enjoyed if we don't put too much stock into who's actually "dead" because this is DC so with Multiverse this and Lazarus pit that it's a fools errand to expect any important characters to actually stay dead.
The only good thing I could say about this game is how impressive the character detail is. Ok, there is also the banter which seems interesting. Ok, maybe I'll give it a shot once it gets on PS Plus
My problem with the banter is that they jam too much of it in spaces it literally doesn't fit. If you go straight from one mission to another the dialog will always be interrupted, because they wrote it too long for the trip. The only way to hear all the dialog is to constantly stop and wait before traveling to a new objective
As someone who fucks with this game, and even kinda likes evil batman, I'm not a fan of his death scene, not a way to kill off your main protagonist. If it even is him anyway.
I bought this with my friend intending for us to play it for quite some time. We got about halfway through the game and the shotty gameplay, the insane story, the glitches, and the awful performance that we experienced caused us to drop it. I remember the exact thing that convinced me to drop it. It was just after the green lantern fight which neither of us had fun fighting and then when the Wonder Woman death cutscene hit mid way through the riddler started saying a riddle I just lost it and broke down laughing hysterically. That and then an awful graphics glitch that hurt my eyes had me drop the game and regret preordering it hard. My friends insistent I give it a second chance but I just can’t.
This game has a lot of potential, and I want to point out that the story isn't over. I feel a bit ridiculous to have to point this out, but the seasonal updates we are getting are going to continue the story. Plus, look up the Calendar easter egg.
i gonna repeat myself, if they are clones, the story is pointless and even that, if they are clones, that means braniac can create clones of superman a god amongst mortal resistent against kryptonite, speedsters more fast than time and fucking green lanterns, a fucking light of cosmic creature, one of the color spectrum of emotions? that man shoulnd be able to be stoped in any fucking reason, especially to a city level thearty, this is rediculous and would be bad writting as fuck.
A rare good video on this game. Glad to see. This game deserves some good stuff being made about it. This game is actually good. This game is a rare time when WB actually did nothing wrong
Not me going out of my way to platinum this game because I thought it was actually really good and a lot of fun. This game has held me over for the last month playing it and now that rise of the ronin and dragons dogma 2 are coming out tomorrow I just have even more great games to play
4:32 - Debra Wilson is great in this, but I'm still baffled they didn't bring back CCH Pounder given she played Waller in Origins and - the presumably now non-canon - Assault on Arkham. 14:14 - If that Lasso of Truth were closer to the comics, Barry would've been freed.
What's really sad I think if they had gotten Kevin to work on that other RPG Batman team game with Robin Nightwing Jason Todd and a fully recovered orical back to Batgirl it would have been a better send off to Kevin and this could have been a sequel to that. Or at least that's how I feel any thoughts on how Kevin's send off should have been.
Warner are quickly becoming the most hated company in the world. Because of what they are doing to all media, let alone the gaming industry. An absolute clusterfuck.
I was looking forward to this game till I heard it was a live service game and I just lost all hope for it. it sucks cause visually it looks good but it really should have been a solo game
I thought this game was kinda cool, im upset what they did to batman, but I believe all video games, no matter how bad it is, has something of value to it and more we can learn from it, I have the same thing for movies, comic, and other pieces of media.
this game really feels like core concept was decided by picking most trending themes in 2016-17, decided by someone who had no real idea about videogames, or comics. there was clearly great talent and passion in making of this game, but sadly it was doomed to fail duo going into wrong direction at start.
23:54 so during this fight when I started I immediately started shooting the bat insignia then I remembered Arkham Knight. I don't think that was intentional but hey that was cool to me
I'm just going to say it, this game would be way better if the theory that we only killed clones by braniac cannonand at the end of the game we find the real league and they defeat braniac.
@@tevenpowell8023and even that, if they are clones, that means braniac can create clones of superman a god amongst mortal resistent against kryptonite, speedsters more fast than time and fucking green lanterns, a fucking light of cosmic creature, one of the color spectrum of emotions? that man shoulnd be able to be stoped in any fucking reason, especially to a city level thearty, this is rediculous and would be bad writting as fuck.
Thanks for this positive video. I don't watch or click on hateful and negative videos. I truly enjoy the game. Being in Metropolis and zip zooming through town is great. LexCorp Daily Planet Hall of Justice Blaze Comics Kord & Queen Industries All I'd want now is Superman as a Playable Character in a Much Larger Metropolis and Playing area
My only gripe with the game is with the inconsistencies it constantly presents and straight-up contradicts the rest of the Arkhamverse with. Boy are they all over the place. I get the fact that this takes place 5 years after AK, but still there's only so much that can happen during that time.
26:36 - I'm just wondering why they didn't bring in Tim Daly or George Newbern (granted Nolan did play him in Young Justice). Or some other DCAU reprisals. Hell, Corey Burton has a major role in this game... And its not even Brainiac - he's Lex! (Origins and Knight even had his YJ actor - Mark Rolston - as Deathstroke, why not just use him?)
Alright i see alot of comments only piling onto the bad things but you have to respect that he played this game for the bright side for us. I always had undying respect for you, Gaming Wins, but it just grew even more from this video. Keep doing what you do and ill watch
I'd say 90% of the hate doesn't come from the actual quality of the characters but rather the fact that this takes place in the Arkham universe, which a lot of people have nostalgia for. This doesn't mean it's "good," but it lifts it up to just mediocre.
@@PeopleRTheProblem No the hell it’s not. Those make the game mediocre, but people out here acting like rocksteady personally murdered their favorite puppy.
@@LineOfThy yes the hell it is. If this game weren’t as repetitive (9 years of development shouldn’t be this level of repetitive) and if it were priced at $40 next to nobody would hate this game. They’d say “it’s pretty good for $40”. People are mad because how does it take you 9 years to produce something so mediocre, and then to charge $70-$100 for it after delaying it a year.
I know it’s hard to find things to love, but with that “that’ll be $20” joke at 8:53 they did actually give that skin for free. You just have to do the riddler stuff.
… I actually genuinely loved this game, I can admit a lot of the “bad” parts of this game but overall I like it, I wish more people would’ve liked this game like I do.. instead of burying it as soon as it was shown off for the first time
I'm like that with The Last of us 2. IMO you can't trust "gamers" on judging art. They like blind escapism that they know they'll love playing before they even touch it. Most don't even criticize the game as a whole, but the context surrounding it, it baffles me. Like just because something doesn't meet your expectations doesn't make it objectively bad. Why does it matter what developers are saying on twitter? Or the concepts the companies rejected? Its literally their choice...I'm convinced most gamers on the internet just wanna play the same type of experience forever. Rather have a "bad" game come out that's unique than Call of Duty 50
@@jameer7565 "Gamers", or rather regular people, are the final judges of art. Once the piece is released, the author's original vision isn't always tied with the product, only the vision of the viewer is. TLOU2 is a decent game, but the narrative takes a lot of missteps (namely 2 large ones) that caused the reaction it did. 1. Much like with D&D and other RPGs (including the Arkham games), not all "narrative" choices resonate with players the same way as in a movie. In this case, killing off a player character (previous or not) is a bad decision if it isn't built up to within the context of that singular game. The problem with both these experiences is that the death isn't built up to/isn't earned. 1A. Joel's death is a surprise that the game ends up "apologizing" for by dealing with the trauma after the fact, which would be a great maneuver if the payoff was worth it. By denying many players of the catharsis of killing Abbey in favor of telling a specific narrative, it rips the control and "role-playing" from the player. This can frustrate many players who struggled to empathize with Abbey and results in immense dissatisfaction. 1B. For SSKTJL, it's a relatively short game and the player characters don't feel like they have much agency. So much of the story is progressed without the influence of the Squad that with the repetitive gameplay it soon became boring to many. That, combined with the failure of the game to fully explore the idea of a mind-controlled league by starting the game in the 3rd Act of the story in-world, ends up making many of these deaths feel unearned (especially when combined with the lackluster gameplay). If the game had more time to sit with the Justice League and explore those characters, many of their sendoffs would've had the weight that their gravitas in-game would seem to portray. Instead, it feels that it cheaply relies on the player's experience with existing media to carry it. 2. As important as it is to consider the vision contained solely within a work of art, the context around said art can often play an important role in how it's received. Because of the fact that TLOU2 had a set of writers whose sole purpose was representation, many decisions were attacked with that context in mind. In contrast, take a look at Baldur's Gate 3. BG3 is very progressive, with adept writing that supports any choice the player may make. It doesn't invalidate or undermine any decision or manner of thought, instead attempting to interject and truly discuss the grey area within any decision. If TLOU2 had developed that grey area via Ellie's introspection instead of just relying on the player's compassion and empathy, the ending would've likely been better received. Even if it wasn't in the player's control, the mere build-up by growing Ellie and asking the player to be introspective (beyond the final confrontation) would have been much better than what was delivered. Finally, it's been shown that gamers DO want diversity and a good story over the past decade. Minecraft, Baldur's Gate 3, Red Dead Redemption 2, Prey, Far Cry 3, Skyrim, Breath of The Wild, Helldivers 2, Hollow Knight, God of War, and Elden Ring are all very diverse games. While traditional shooters like CoD and Apex might have reliable yearly sales, the most acclaimed games have unique and refreshing gameplay. Shooters are just popular because they are some of the easiest to make and have been engineered (not designed) to have an addictive quality (much like League of Legends, Overwatch, and the ilk). It's been scientifically proven that competitive games (which yes, even casual shooters contain competitive elements) have been made to be highly addictive, especially over the past 5 years. In fact, Overwatch even has a patent for addictive matchmaking practices. Saying the general public, whom the art is for, are not good "judges of art" is disingenuous to the public itself. While much of the public is susceptible to the aforementioned psychological traps, those are specifically crafted to elicit that experience from said general public. So when a game, which fails in its design (to be addictive in the case of SSKTJL and to be an enjoyable and deep narrative in the cast of TLOU2), is perceived as negative reviews and outrage, then the art did fail in some aspect. Now, it is totally okay to love and appreciate these games, but it's not like either of these were created with the same philosophy as Ready or Not, which is a game made with the idea to confront controversy head-on. And yet, Ready or Not, despite all its outcry, is still well-received while these two games are not. Both TLOU2 and SSKTJL misstepped in multiple ways. While I wholly believe in the enjoyment of games and the appreciation of even the bad apples in the bunch (hence why I watch this channel), these games have outrage because they were handled poorly. The narrative of TLOU2 does not match what many of its players are feeling and fails to move them enough for its character growth to feel compelling. SSKTJL mishandled its characters by being manhandled by the publisher and being forced to be solely about arguably the least interesting piece of the story: We all know they're going to die (duh), but the how and why are more interesting, compelling, and important to the eventual payoff of the experience. The game would have (arguably) been much better if the game started with initial invasion and if Brainiac had to perfect his control of the Justice League over time, iterating with each member he assimilated. This would have made Superman's Kryptonite immunity feel more earned, allowed players to get attached to the various heroes for their later sendoffs, have greater opportunities for fanservice, and would have given players the time to have closure over each member before their deaths. It also would have helped the game's fast-paced story by giving it the time to develop narrative ideas and themes that could be paid-off later, such as more setup to take down each member. The public is right, these games have massive flaws. But so does every game and every piece of art. These games are flawed, but that doesn't mean they can't still be fun or mean something beyond their problems. I can appreciate what exists in both TLOU2 and SSKTJL, but it feels like both games just needed more time to edit and be reviewed to really capture what they set out to. Games are built on love and innovation. Sadly, many only focus on one part of the piece's whole. Either they only see the flower or only feel the thorn.
@@kidkamando Thats what im saying, one part over whole. Every criticism you had are things that didn't even cross my mind playing. Like being progressive? Maybe because I'm black but having different character designs other than cis white man doesn't make something progressive. I literally do not notice and never do. I don't see why it's such a common talking point on artistic merit in gaming? Like why is it directly effecting your enjoyment if someone made a trans character purely because they thought it was cool? I still stand by it, the gaming community is a joke. Why does all this context matter for the experience? Just play the game and like it or don't, almost every long form game story you've ever consumed has "bad" politics you won't agree with, why do we draw lines on women and black people then hop on gta for murder time? No narrative reason at all, purely gameplay, still the best-selling game created and its a mass shooter sim, but no women saying men bad? Ready or not isn't even controversial because its core player base are straight white guys who laugh at shorts on YT of virtual brutality like most realistic shooters there's not many blacks or women pretending to be marines and cops, where is this controversy twitter? Ive never ever heard any complaints on it. I literally cant play it because it reminds me of when I experienced police brutality. You don't see me crying that the developers killed my first born son and burned all my crops. Like why do their intentions even matter? Isnt my experience the end all be all anyway? I don't buy a game and just expect to know the exact experience I'm going to get what's the point? Like I'm really confused by the RON thing I played it before for a few hours and never heard of it again, there's nothing controversial about brutality and violence especially in a community dominated by guys it's the norm. The Dangerous ideas about changing society are too much to handle tho.
@@jameer7565 Each player connects with a different experience. Ready or Not isn't about police brutality, it's about the realistic situations police enter during mass shootings. It literally got banned off Steam more than once for being too realistic (though one was over copyright). It's quite controversial, especially during a time when tensions are high between cops and the general public. I also don't care about the race of characters. However, the race can help people connect and empathize with the character(s), which is integral to crafting the experience and guiding the feelings the player will have. Despite this, my argument never touched on race or representation as a core factor that ruins experiences. The point I made was that the context about the medium matters just as much as the message the medium transfers. The content of TLOU2 changes based on whether you include the cultural factors of the series or not. Most people don't care about the representation if it's done with taste and respect. People love the representation in The Owl House, but hate it in TLOU2 because it isn't earned. The representation in TLOU2 doesn't make the majority of gamers empathize and connect with Abbey, which is a major part of the experience the developers made, as TLOU2 is a narrative game. Abbey was made to represent a group to pander to them, not because it's integral to the story or her character growth. The events would have occurred whether she was trans or not, so her status as representation is cheap, whereas the relationship between Ellie and Dina DOES have narrative importance and is integral to both their characters. That relationship was built up well and despite some not-as-well-received choices, was not flamed for being cheap. Of course people don't care about the story or representation in GTA as much because GTA isn't a narrative game. It's a sandbox third-person-shooter. People care about the sandbox and the fun of the environment, not whether Trevor is black, white, trans, or anything else. However, despite this, the actual writing of GTAV is actually quite competent, as it explores themes like capitalism, greed, and self-loathing. Even within this game with less "narrative substance", it is still written with competence and respect, which is contrary to TLOU2 or SSKTJL, which both disregard proper writing practices (namely the build-up) in favor of rushed endings. It's not about "progressive" messages being shoe-horned in. It's about the quality and effort. It's readily apparent that these games don't have the same love and appreciation put into them as other masterpieces like RDR2. And yes, I agree, having representation for the sake of representation doesn't make things progressive. That's the point. People were outraged because it's not actually progressive and is very obviously a ploy to acquire their support. Ellie (and therefore the player) don't connect with Abbey throughout the story, which makes the Abbey section feel awful. The game teaches us to hate and disassociate with Abbey, rather than to empathize and relate. Then, it forces the player to put themselves in her shoes and sympathize because she suffered? So did Ellie and especially Joel. TLOU2 has many themes about suffering and emotional trauma and it expects the player to become invested in all its characters equally, when the player has been given a bias from the previous game. We DON'T spend enough time with Abbey to build this rapport, unlike in GOW Ragnarok with Thor. People get angry because they get invested and care about the story. You might not, and that's how you enjoy games. That's completely valid and awesome for you. But you shouldn't dismiss the investment and care from others about these works of art just because they care about it in a different way. Video games, especially RPGs, are made to have the players feel like they are the characters or like they know them, at the least. RPG protagonists are very likeable (for long-winded reasons I'd rather not get into). So when those characters (who are audience-inserts) feel mishandled, those who are invested in these characters get upset because they feel betrayed or slighted. They enjoy, maybe even love, the story and world BECAUSE of the narrative. That's how they enjoy the game, which is just as important as gameplay may be to you. It'd be like if the next GTA game didn't have crime; It wouldn't be a GTA game. Also, side note, the best-selling game of all time is Minecraft, followed by GTAV, then Tetris. RDR2, Witcher 3, and Pokemon fall within the top 15. While gameplay for games is important, 20% of the top 15 games are RPGs. People care about the story (of which GTAV's is quite highly praised, even if it isn't its selling point).
@@kidkamando A vast majority of the "general public" are in fact fucking idiots with invalid views that shouldn't be trusted. IE: the way too damn many people willing to jump on the hate train and dismiss this perfectly average game as "trash" This game is objectively a C product and everyone rating it lower than that is hating for the sake of hating
I get not liking the game and jumping to the conclusion that this isn’t the game rocksteady wanted to make, but why not actually think for a second that maybe this is the game rocksteady wanted to make from the start. The live service bit might not have been apart of the original plan but I bet you that the game itself was part of the original plan.
I genuinely love this game. Graphics are great, the game is fun, and so was the story. I completely understand why people don't like it, but I've been enjoying my time with it.
Ok comments… yea, the game is bad but Cinemawins made an Everything great about RISE OF SKYWALKER and he said it was because he makes his videos for the people that enjoy the movie, not necessarily because it was good. so I think anything deserves the chance to be praised for one reason or another (no matter how terrible it might be)
He said that? Wow I actually like that! Making a video for the people that actually enjoys the things that a Majority hate. It kind of like a safe place where people can go to enjoy the things they like.
My buddy was initially hating on SSKJL but then we watched the full cutscene movie and we immediately fell in love with the story and dynamic. It’s fantastic and got him to change his mind on what he didn’t think much of
Hey GamingWins! You probably won’t see this comment but I’ve been following your channel for a long time now and even though I can’t watch this video yet because I’m in the midst of the campaign, I just wanted to say thank you. So many people have been trashing and tearing this game to bits, but I’ve been a massive fan of the Arkham series since before I even got my first Xbox 360 in 2010 and played through Asylum, I know just about everything there is to know about these games and the extended lore, and have followed every single trailer and reveal since the Arkham City reveal trailer. For a lot of reasons this series means the world to me and I’ve been trying to say that this seems like the most one of the most player-friendly live service games you can play, and RockSteady doesn’t force any payments on you or down your throat, but it kills me to see how this has been treated. Anyway, I know the game is probably dead and will be abandoned very quickly but I hope it doesn’t mean the same for all DC games, or the Arkham series. Now with Kevin Conroy’s passing, I personally think it would be very interesting to see other parts of this universe fleshed out in games, but whatever way it goes, thank you for defending something that means the world to me. Also, the story is SO ENJOYABLE, from what I’ve played!
Not $70 fun. Imagine they made this exact same game. Same mechanics and gameplay, but instead it was set in the Star Wars universe. Earth Vader jumping around using guns instead of his light saber.
@@PeopleRTheProblem I can’t lie I have stopped playing but bc after you beat the story there’s not much to do, and I’m not a Star Wars guy but I’m sure there’s people that would like a storm troopers game. And I get you I don’t think any game should be $70 but at the end of the day it’s still many hours and a lot of hard work put into it
@@gilbertgarcia9791 so what? There were many hours put into the challenger but it exploding is still due to poor construction. I don’t care about paying $70 for a game. I care when that $70 game is worth $35. I know people would love a storm trooper game…but that’s that what I said. I specifically said Darth Vader jumping around, sliding on the ground, and shooting bog standard guns. Obi Wan cartwheeling through the air shooting bog standard guns. Objectively this game is a 5/10, but factoring in that they took extra time to make the game better and we still get mediocre, shallow, lazy gameplay drops the score below average. If you saw someone walk through a door and get hit in the face with a pie….wouldn’t you also walking through the same door after seeing what happened make your action more stupid? Or less excusable? Edit: to be fair, I just checked and saw that I typed “Earth” Vader
Yeah, the writing was not at all great, but the acting was excellent personally. Especially King Shark. King Shark is worth 10 wins atleast. Harley's a close second
GamingWins: "Guns? Guns are his worst nightmare?"
Well, considering his origin story, yes.
That…actually makes more sense the more I think about.
Guns are to Batman like Kryptonite is to Superman 😅
@@aidenpotter5952a gun is pretty much the reason Bruce became the bat
Let's all just take a moment and appreciate the dedication, patience and sheer will this man has, to not only buy this game, but boot it up, click "Play," actually play, complete it AND find things to like about it...
This guy... That is Vergil's level of power and motivation!
The ability to BS your way through to make this video does indeed take dedication. Just not dedication to something praiseworthy.
Just because something is difficult, doesn't make it commendable.
Speaking of Vergil, GamingWins should do the Devil May Cry franchise as the next Everything Great With series
I bought it while it was on sale recently and having a blast and don't understand the hate
I know you're an optimist but goddamn
RIGHT?😅
It's just impressive at this no point
It’s a good, yet severely lacking, game.
Being an optimist isn't bad, being over optimistic? that's bad.
Really name everything you hate about this game that isn't batman dying
It is at least good to know that Kevin's last performance as Batman does not end with Suicide Squad, rather with Crisis on Infinite Earths where he reprises his first role as Batman in BTAS. Which sounds more deserving, Kevin finishes where he started.
Unfortunately the large majority of rocksteady's staff that were there for the arkham games just aren't at the studio anymore. I love the old rocksteady and I hope to see the current one get a fair shot to show off their talent but I'm honestly not expecting much. 🙁
I see a lot of gamers think that the studio name automatically means the game will be good.. They don't realise companies like rocksteady and Rockstar barley have anyone left in the company that was part of the orginal games success.. It's not the studio name that counts it's the names behind the studio.. If you are fan of GTA until now you are more a fan of Sam and Dan houser..
I mean they were here for this one. Gamers took the 2 founds leaving in early 2023 to mean the entire studio left.
Just letting you know the same people who wrote and directed Knight also wrote this game, so stop blaming it on “thE oLd dEvS lEfT.”
@@slycat128 really cause don't see Paul dinis name on anything related to SS.. Even though he didn't write knight either at least he set the tone with the story for asylum and city
@@mullaoslo why the ever living HELL are you bringing Dini’s name into this I LITERALLY said the people who wrote KNIGHT
This is the perfect 'I'll just watch the cutscenes on UA-cam' kinda game
Took me two tries to finish watching the cut scenes. The first time, about 20-30 minutes in, I just got bored. A week later, I forced myself to watch it all and besides a few parts, it was bad.
Just like telltale games 😊
Why suffer through that though?
@@coltonwilkie241 because their really good
@@Ironica82 its hard to watch cutscenes for a video game when you aren't playing
“Don’t…don’t do it.” -Tomska
"I don't like where this is going." -JonTron
GamingWins i have no enemies
"There is no gaming sin in ba sing se"
Brother had to reach deep into the Mariana Trench to find good reasons for this game's existence
More going into the Phantom Zone to find anything good, if you're gonna talk about a bad game based on DC Characters, at least use DC Comics terms
Not even superboy prime could break this game out of the source wall @@erichfiedler1481
I do like that Boomerang keeps latching onto calling Flash “Barry” even though without a last name or any other sort of info just knowing his first name is basically useless information.
lets be real, you can be optimistic and positive about this game you want but no way this game is anywhere near the OG rocksteady games.
Exactly. I enjoyed this game myself but it is not even close to the same level as those games.
“Got their entire Arkham team back for everyone!”
Except of course, ahem, Deadshot…
king shark die in the arkhan games, how da Fuck he is back? lazarus pity? nah
Yeah my favorite version of Arkham Deadshot is Origins. Tired of all the superhero titles incorporating “multiverse” into everything, too.
People hate on this game's graphics in the environment, but the facial animations are absolutely gorgeous.
graphics being good or not does not excuse it for being a bad game
@@bloodstone1992 Didn't say it did? I barely believe in the concept of objectively bad games. Its a gross exaggeration and insult to art.
@@bloodstone1992 but it does excuse the argument that it has bad graphics
Tbh the graphics are good but imo Arkham knight still looks way better.
@@dayeeter7571 ikr? seeing batman's cape in the rain is just 👌
"Piece of crazy ass" to "crazy piece of ass" was brilliant
16:38 Monolith (the developers of the middle earth series) is making a wonder woman game so hopefully theyre able to do something amazing with it especially since they have the nemesis system under their belt.
They BETTER use that system to it's fullest.. One of the biggest dick moves in game development the past 20 years to make it so only they could use it.. They would make Rockstar money if they rented that system to other studios
Just realizing it 1:08 in the vid that King Shark was voiced by Samoa Joe. Man’s been making moves in the video game scene
GamingWins has no enemies fr. Also, rocksteady doesn’t have a lot of the people that made the Arkham trilogy still in the company.
Me: *Seen Angry Joe tear this entire game a new one and then some*
GamingWins: "Now now, hold on hold on....."
Angry Joe is cringe
@@Apul549yes but sometimes he is right and at least he did not complain about wokism. He even make fun of anti wokes once
Damn. You missed the fact that both Boomer and Flash make the same comment.
"He's the Flash! You might as well post 'im the bullet!"
"Really!? Why don't you just mail me the bullet?"
thats how well boomer knows flash
This man played this game so we wouldn't have to respect bro
You really should play. Best game I've ever bought. Which is insane since I've been playing games since I was 9.
@@taelin-rh3wi uh no the fuck
@@slyboothy9593 Damn why the salt? You won't know until you try it.
@@taelin-rh3wi Touch grass. THIS "game" is worse than cancer or dementia. I will never touch woke garbage.
@@taelin-rh3wi "I've been playing games since I was 9". unless you was born in the 90s or early 00s your statement is as weak as this game.
Dawg, I get Rocksteady should be given the benefit of the doubt, but hot damn Quinn will ALWAYS be the damn sickkick!
As I mentioned to Cenimawins, I enjoy both the praises and your honest opinion. The way you did it where the counting was (mostly) the good parts and you left the negative stuff until the end is really the best format. Keep up the good work :)
The Only Good Thing about this Game is how the Justice League Looks, King Shark, Kevin Conroy as Batman for one last time, and Lex 2, that’s It.
Thats why I love Wins Channels, trying to see the good in everything
So... pure toxic positivity?
@@tevenpowell8023 It is easier to hate Things than Like it and sins Channels seemingly don't even try to Like Something. And If you want actual Satire, watch Ryan Georges Pitch Meetings
@tevenpowell8023 yeah I'll never understand people who think like that. Imagine going to a restaurant and the chef purposefully put hairs in your food and you just smile and say thanks because you don't want to be rude and negative
They should make a Wally West flash game in this universe so he can time travel this game out of existence
No but a flashpoint that resurrects Batman (younger Batman so we can have Arkham origins VA)
I'll never understand why Warner didn't choose to have Rocksteady make Gotham Knights and have THAT game be a continuation of the Arkham games.
I feel like it could've fit much better into the Arkham universe IF Rocksteady got the chance to make it.
Their “best joke” should’ve deducted every point you gifted before hand 😂
You are a beacon of positivity. Even if we hate this game, its nice to see you being so kind to rocksteady/the voice actors and calling out what they actually did right in this game feels really genuine. It feels good to know that not everyone is a complete cynic nowadays, keep spreading that positivity :)
Wait, you actually hate the game? Wow, you’re pathetic
12:45 OK I’m one hand the penguin fan and me loves seeing him be the butt of the joke… But the Mr. freeze fan and me hates that Ivy implied that Victor isn’t a genius scientist
You were kinda in Rocksteady's shoes for this vid werent ya? But unlike them, you delivered.
Mad Respect for you making this video. Not a lot of people would be brave enough to do this considering the Overwhelming Hate. I too also believe that a Game Studio that spent a decade making a game didnt go out of the way to make a terrible game. And as bad as it is there can be some positive to be found.
🎉🎉 another dime a dozen! You got it man!
@@Super_Broly funny thing that a rocksteady fan would mention a dime a dozen
Do you think any studio TRIES to make a bad game?
@@tevenpowell8023 I know some Studios just makes a Game and don’t care if it good or bad. I have seen games be funded only for said game to be released and then peace out. They did what they was asked no matter the quality.
@@KavinCatastrophe I'm gonna be honest: the fact that the game requires you to always be online makes me hesitant to say they truly care about their fans.
With this game's pretty poor sales, there's a very real possibility that they'll shut down the servers in a year or two if player numbers don't really go up. Or if the people that play don't really dole out the cash in the game store.
And when that happens nobody who likes the game will be able play anymore, since you are required to be connected to the server to even play single player. They'll "Peace Out" as you put it.
Practices like that only serve to hold the game ransom from its actually loyal playerbase if they wanna keep it, it's a real scummy practice.
If they end up updating the game to not require online for single player I'll take it back, but it's hard for me to believe they care too much about the fans having a quality game until they do.
Gamplay's real fun tho. Reminds me of Sunset Overdrive.
Yeah, Rocksteady does still deserve praise despite being forced to make this passionless game. Batman deserved a better ending, do hope that the clone theory is correct and our Batman that we grew up with way back in 2009 is still out there when this one who died on a bench was a fake. The evidence to back this up is 12 randomly placed bat calendars spread across Metropolis which all have specific dates and hidden letters all spelling out “He will return”.
Yeah you’re right. To me anyways they were being super obvious that they are clones. Flash’s thumb regrowing, Wonder Woman saying “it should have killed him” when kryptonite doesnt effect Superman and the Lantern ring being weird.
@@inshal6420 yeah, it was weird that none of the squad pointed out Flash having both of his thumbs and not looking deeper into why the kryptonite didn’t kill Superman despite a whole chunk being impaled through his chest. At the same time it wasn’t really well told the story and that more came down to Sweet Baby Inc scripting it, no one at Rocksteady ever touched the storyline.
I've had alot of fun with this game. I Love the Traversals through the city (especially boomerang's teleports) and I had some really thrilling fights that actually had me laughing maniacally when I was destroying peeps.
The ending was disappointing but then it wasn't really an ending at all. Even if all the dlc characters are lame I enjoyed switching between and playing as all four of these characters.
Friend your commitment to positivity is commendable.
King shark seems like a pragmatic dude. He’s fine with killing but he’s got similar morals to Diana and he shows the most empathy during the kills. Appreciate this tough work lol
As much of a disappointment this game was. Watching all you videos helped me realize that there are moments in the game that do deserve there credit. Tara Strong in my opinion was a phenomenal choice for Harley. Absolutely nailed the voice and her personality
If you want a good game where a ragtag bunch of bad apples take down an evil justice league, just play Lego DC Supervillains.
only bad thing is that it's set in the arkham universe
Honestly I don't really get all the hate for this game. I went into it expecting a dumpster fire from what I heard about it. Having actually played it, it's really fun. The gameplay is good, the controls are tight, and the game was funny sometimes. It's nowhere near the masterpieces the Arkham games are but it is far from a bad game.
This game has many good things about it and has many bad things as all games do, it’s not the worst game yes some of the story choices aren’t great but it’s a good story and a fun one
Not for $70. Maybe $30.
@@PeopleRTheProblem You got a point there and yes that is another one of the valid critisms
@@PeopleRTheProblem Correct, but frankly, thats not unique. NO game is worth 70 Bucks.
@@centimanj8916 a lot of games are
@@centimanj8916some are, but depends how much well they are made, wich is not the case for this game
If there's one positive this game gave us, its a kickass gamingwins video. Its great to see you find positivity in this.... and major props for helping us to dodge a bullet with this. Because I admit I was curious on how the story played out
Best part of the game was the voice acting
Edit- Seriously if it was JUST suicide squad game instead of against the justice league it would've been GREAT
As someone who enjoyed the game while playing, I DO want this to continue if only for Rocksteady to have the chance to play out the WHOLE story they have planned. I think we basically all know at this point that the Justice League, OUR Justice League isn't truly dead (except for WW, but I'll get to her in a bit). There are plenty of videos that explain the evidence better than me, so all I'll say is: disappearing bodies and calendars. And the fact that all those elements (including the ones I didn't mention) are in the game FROM THE GET GO shows that Rocksteady knows that people would hate it if they just straight up murdered their Justice League and have a plan to bring them back. There's a lot of ways they could do it and I have a fair few of my own theories on how they can, INCLUDING WW, so if you want me to write them below, let me know (also a nice little thing they could do with Joker when he shows up). I'm just really hoping this game lives long enough for them to get the chance to tell that story, so the Arkham Universe isn't just left in that state.
Honestly this is best enjoyed if we don't put too much stock into who's actually "dead" because this is DC so with Multiverse this and Lazarus pit that it's a fools errand to expect any important characters to actually stay dead.
Harley’s traversal method should have been shoes with springs on them like in dc superhero girls
The only good thing I could say about this game is how impressive the character detail is. Ok, there is also the banter which seems interesting.
Ok, maybe I'll give it a shot once it gets on PS Plus
That's a fair chance man, all they deserve fr. It's nit terrible, better than avengers but DOA 😢
My problem with the banter is that they jam too much of it in spaces it literally doesn't fit.
If you go straight from one mission to another the dialog will always be interrupted, because they wrote it too long for the trip. The only way to hear all the dialog is to constantly stop and wait before traveling to a new objective
As someone who fucks with this game, and even kinda likes evil batman, I'm not a fan of his death scene, not a way to kill off your main protagonist. If it even is him anyway.
You can't do the portal games but you can win this
I bought this with my friend intending for us to play it for quite some time. We got about halfway through the game and the shotty gameplay, the insane story, the glitches, and the awful performance that we experienced caused us to drop it. I remember the exact thing that convinced me to drop it. It was just after the green lantern fight which neither of us had fun fighting and then when the Wonder Woman death cutscene hit mid way through the riddler started saying a riddle I just lost it and broke down laughing hysterically. That and then an awful graphics glitch that hurt my eyes had me drop the game and regret preordering it hard. My friends insistent I give it a second chance but I just can’t.
Insider info, Rocksteady wasn’t strong armed into anything. But y’all aren’t ready for that conversation yet. 0:45
At 3:57 I think it’s a “Y” did they reference the Arkham subreddit with aslume
This game has a lot of potential, and I want to point out that the story isn't over. I feel a bit ridiculous to have to point this out, but the seasonal updates we are getting are going to continue the story. Plus, look up the Calendar easter egg.
Just because they're going to write more, doesn't mean the games gonna be better.
More bad writing would just make the game worse.
@@tevenpowell8023yeah, this game could be incredibly, but was bad as fuck in the story and gameplay( not saying is shit but is fucking repetitive).
the only thing worst than the story is the theory of clones
i gonna repeat myself, if they are clones, the story is pointless and even that, if they are clones, that means braniac can create clones of superman a god amongst mortal resistent against kryptonite, speedsters more fast than time and fucking green lanterns, a fucking light of cosmic creature, one of the color spectrum of emotions? that man shoulnd be able to be stoped in any fucking reason, especially to a city level thearty, this is rediculous and would be bad writting as fuck.
I swear i will get on my hands and knees and pray to him the day gaming wins does battlefield 3
A rare good video on this game. Glad to see. This game deserves some good stuff being made about it. This game is actually good. This game is a rare time when WB actually did nothing wrong
Not me going out of my way to platinum this game because I thought it was actually really good and a lot of fun. This game has held me over for the last month playing it and now that rise of the ronin and dragons dogma 2 are coming out tomorrow I just have even more great games to play
Little something I DO recommend is getting the free trial if you can
4:32 - Debra Wilson is great in this, but I'm still baffled they didn't bring back CCH Pounder given she played Waller in Origins and - the presumably now non-canon - Assault on Arkham.
14:14 - If that Lasso of Truth were closer to the comics, Barry would've been freed.
What's really sad I think if they had gotten Kevin to work on that other RPG Batman team game with Robin Nightwing Jason Todd and a fully recovered orical back to Batgirl it would have been a better send off to Kevin and this could have been a sequel to that. Or at least that's how I feel any thoughts on how Kevin's send off should have been.
Warner are quickly becoming the most hated company in the world. Because of what they are doing to all media, let alone the gaming industry. An absolute clusterfuck.
I was looking forward to this game till I heard it was a live service game and I just lost all hope for it. it sucks cause visually it looks good but it really should have been a solo game
I personally love this game, and it got unnecessary hate
I thought this game was kinda cool, im upset what they did to batman, but I believe all video games, no matter how bad it is, has something of value to it and more we can learn from it, I have the same thing for movies, comic, and other pieces of media.
GAVIN, I Love ya mate, your using your 🧠 and that's a rarity now days. 😉 you keep it up mate! I completely agree with ya!
@Super_Broly thanks dude, if you got it, then you might as well use it, I hope you have a great day.
Love how they dont even get a whole intro thing, they just get a title card and spoiler ofc
I'm watching this not because I like the game but because I respect this channel enough to hear you out bro.
bro the whole wonder women arc in this game would have be a good story for the wonder women game they have coming out but No we got this shit
this game really feels like core concept was decided by picking most trending themes in 2016-17, decided by someone who had no real idea about videogames, or comics. there was clearly great talent and passion in making of this game, but sadly it was doomed to fail duo going into wrong direction at start.
23:54 so during this fight when I started I immediately started shooting the bat insignia then I remembered Arkham Knight. I don't think that was intentional but hey that was cool to me
So many decisions went into this, then uploaded too, probably deliberately. Wild.
I'm just going to say it, this game would be way better if the theory that we only killed clones by braniac cannonand at the end of the game we find the real league and they defeat braniac.
Wouldn't that just make everything leading up to that completely pointless?
@@tevenpowell8023and even that, if they are clones, that means braniac can create clones of superman a god amongst mortal resistent against kryptonite, speedsters more fast than time and fucking green lanterns, a fucking light of cosmic creature, one of the color spectrum of emotions? that man shoulnd be able to be stoped in any fucking reason, especially to a city level thearty, this is rediculous and would be bad writting as fuck.
Thanks for this positive video. I don't watch or click on hateful and negative videos. I truly enjoy the game. Being in Metropolis and zip zooming through town is great. LexCorp Daily Planet Hall of Justice Blaze Comics Kord & Queen Industries
All I'd want now is Superman as a Playable Character in a Much Larger Metropolis and Playing area
I applaud your dedication to making our gaming communities better😊
Even gamingwins can find the good in everyone
My only gripe with the game is with the inconsistencies it constantly presents and straight-up contradicts the rest of the Arkhamverse with. Boy are they all over the place.
I get the fact that this takes place 5 years after AK, but still there's only so much that can happen during that time.
I look forward to give this game a try in June when it's part of the ps plus monthly games
26:36 - I'm just wondering why they didn't bring in Tim Daly or George Newbern (granted Nolan did play him in Young Justice). Or some other DCAU reprisals. Hell, Corey Burton has a major role in this game... And its not even Brainiac - he's Lex! (Origins and Knight even had his YJ actor - Mark Rolston - as Deathstroke, why not just use him?)
Alright i see alot of comments only piling onto the bad things but you have to respect that he played this game for the bright side for us. I always had undying respect for you, Gaming Wins, but it just grew even more from this video. Keep doing what you do and ill watch
He did it for you? Or the views?
@@PeopleRTheProblem he legit said in the beginning that he did it for the studio lmao 💀
@@nealonmcqueen8633 I’m saying it is for the views
I'd say 90% of the hate doesn't come from the actual quality of the characters but rather the fact that this takes place in the Arkham universe, which a lot of people have nostalgia for. This doesn't mean it's "good," but it lifts it up to just mediocre.
Like Gotham Knights. Nobody really cared Batman died in that, because it was a standalone.
Pretty sure 90% of the hate is from the repetitive nature of the game and the fact that the characters use guns
@@PeopleRTheProblem No the hell it’s not. Those make the game mediocre, but people out here acting like rocksteady personally murdered their favorite puppy.
@@LineOfThy yes the hell it is. If this game weren’t as repetitive (9 years of development shouldn’t be this level of repetitive) and if it were priced at $40 next to nobody would hate this game. They’d say “it’s pretty good for $40”. People are mad because how does it take you 9 years to produce something so mediocre, and then to charge $70-$100 for it after delaying it a year.
@@PeopleRTheProblem Again *that’s the definition of mediocre*
25:44 batman sometimes makes witty remarks but okay.
That wasn't witty though - it was juvenile and low hanging. Which I guess could maybe be lent to the fact that Batman was being mind controlled ig
They did the league so dirty
I know it’s hard to find things to love, but with that “that’ll be $20” joke at 8:53 they did actually give that skin for free. You just have to do the riddler stuff.
Love your content 🔥🔥🔥
My king has returned
… I actually genuinely loved this game, I can admit a lot of the “bad” parts of this game but overall I like it, I wish more people would’ve liked this game like I do.. instead of burying it as soon as it was shown off for the first time
I'm like that with The Last of us 2. IMO you can't trust "gamers" on judging art. They like blind escapism that they know they'll love playing before they even touch it. Most don't even criticize the game as a whole, but the context surrounding it, it baffles me. Like just because something doesn't meet your expectations doesn't make it objectively bad. Why does it matter what developers are saying on twitter? Or the concepts the companies rejected? Its literally their choice...I'm convinced most gamers on the internet just wanna play the same type of experience forever. Rather have a "bad" game come out that's unique than Call of Duty 50
@@jameer7565 "Gamers", or rather regular people, are the final judges of art. Once the piece is released, the author's original vision isn't always tied with the product, only the vision of the viewer is. TLOU2 is a decent game, but the narrative takes a lot of missteps (namely 2 large ones) that caused the reaction it did.
1. Much like with D&D and other RPGs (including the Arkham games), not all "narrative" choices resonate with players the same way as in a movie. In this case, killing off a player character (previous or not) is a bad decision if it isn't built up to within the context of that singular game. The problem with both these experiences is that the death isn't built up to/isn't earned.
1A. Joel's death is a surprise that the game ends up "apologizing" for by dealing with the trauma after the fact, which would be a great maneuver if the payoff was worth it. By denying many players of the catharsis of killing Abbey in favor of telling a specific narrative, it rips the control and "role-playing" from the player. This can frustrate many players who struggled to empathize with Abbey and results in immense dissatisfaction.
1B. For SSKTJL, it's a relatively short game and the player characters don't feel like they have much agency. So much of the story is progressed without the influence of the Squad that with the repetitive gameplay it soon became boring to many. That, combined with the failure of the game to fully explore the idea of a mind-controlled league by starting the game in the 3rd Act of the story in-world, ends up making many of these deaths feel unearned (especially when combined with the lackluster gameplay). If the game had more time to sit with the Justice League and explore those characters, many of their sendoffs would've had the weight that their gravitas in-game would seem to portray. Instead, it feels that it cheaply relies on the player's experience with existing media to carry it.
2. As important as it is to consider the vision contained solely within a work of art, the context around said art can often play an important role in how it's received. Because of the fact that TLOU2 had a set of writers whose sole purpose was representation, many decisions were attacked with that context in mind.
In contrast, take a look at Baldur's Gate 3. BG3 is very progressive, with adept writing that supports any choice the player may make. It doesn't invalidate or undermine any decision or manner of thought, instead attempting to interject and truly discuss the grey area within any decision. If TLOU2 had developed that grey area via Ellie's introspection instead of just relying on the player's compassion and empathy, the ending would've likely been better received. Even if it wasn't in the player's control, the mere build-up by growing Ellie and asking the player to be introspective (beyond the final confrontation) would have been much better than what was delivered.
Finally, it's been shown that gamers DO want diversity and a good story over the past decade. Minecraft, Baldur's Gate 3, Red Dead Redemption 2, Prey, Far Cry 3, Skyrim, Breath of The Wild, Helldivers 2, Hollow Knight, God of War, and Elden Ring are all very diverse games. While traditional shooters like CoD and Apex might have reliable yearly sales, the most acclaimed games have unique and refreshing gameplay. Shooters are just popular because they are some of the easiest to make and have been engineered (not designed) to have an addictive quality (much like League of Legends, Overwatch, and the ilk). It's been scientifically proven that competitive games (which yes, even casual shooters contain competitive elements) have been made to be highly addictive, especially over the past 5 years. In fact, Overwatch even has a patent for addictive matchmaking practices.
Saying the general public, whom the art is for, are not good "judges of art" is disingenuous to the public itself. While much of the public is susceptible to the aforementioned psychological traps, those are specifically crafted to elicit that experience from said general public. So when a game, which fails in its design (to be addictive in the case of SSKTJL and to be an enjoyable and deep narrative in the cast of TLOU2), is perceived as negative reviews and outrage, then the art did fail in some aspect. Now, it is totally okay to love and appreciate these games, but it's not like either of these were created with the same philosophy as Ready or Not, which is a game made with the idea to confront controversy head-on. And yet, Ready or Not, despite all its outcry, is still well-received while these two games are not.
Both TLOU2 and SSKTJL misstepped in multiple ways. While I wholly believe in the enjoyment of games and the appreciation of even the bad apples in the bunch (hence why I watch this channel), these games have outrage because they were handled poorly. The narrative of TLOU2 does not match what many of its players are feeling and fails to move them enough for its character growth to feel compelling. SSKTJL mishandled its characters by being manhandled by the publisher and being forced to be solely about arguably the least interesting piece of the story: We all know they're going to die (duh), but the how and why are more interesting, compelling, and important to the eventual payoff of the experience. The game would have (arguably) been much better if the game started with initial invasion and if Brainiac had to perfect his control of the Justice League over time, iterating with each member he assimilated. This would have made Superman's Kryptonite immunity feel more earned, allowed players to get attached to the various heroes for their later sendoffs, have greater opportunities for fanservice, and would have given players the time to have closure over each member before their deaths. It also would have helped the game's fast-paced story by giving it the time to develop narrative ideas and themes that could be paid-off later, such as more setup to take down each member.
The public is right, these games have massive flaws. But so does every game and every piece of art. These games are flawed, but that doesn't mean they can't still be fun or mean something beyond their problems. I can appreciate what exists in both TLOU2 and SSKTJL, but it feels like both games just needed more time to edit and be reviewed to really capture what they set out to.
Games are built on love and innovation. Sadly, many only focus on one part of the piece's whole. Either they only see the flower or only feel the thorn.
@@kidkamando Thats what im saying, one part over whole. Every criticism you had are things that didn't even cross my mind playing. Like being progressive? Maybe because I'm black but having different character designs other than cis white man doesn't make something progressive. I literally do not notice and never do. I don't see why it's such a common talking point on artistic merit in gaming? Like why is it directly effecting your enjoyment if someone made a trans character purely because they thought it was cool? I still stand by it, the gaming community is a joke. Why does all this context matter for the experience? Just play the game and like it or don't, almost every long form game story you've ever consumed has "bad" politics you won't agree with, why do we draw lines on women and black people then hop on gta for murder time? No narrative reason at all, purely gameplay, still the best-selling game created and its a mass shooter sim, but no women saying men bad? Ready or not isn't even controversial because its core player base are straight white guys who laugh at shorts on YT of virtual brutality like most realistic shooters there's not many blacks or women pretending to be marines and cops, where is this controversy twitter? Ive never ever heard any complaints on it. I literally cant play it because it reminds me of when I experienced police brutality. You don't see me crying that the developers killed my first born son and burned all my crops. Like why do their intentions even matter? Isnt my experience the end all be all anyway? I don't buy a game and just expect to know the exact experience I'm going to get what's the point? Like I'm really confused by the RON thing I played it before for a few hours and never heard of it again, there's nothing controversial about brutality and violence especially in a community dominated by guys it's the norm. The Dangerous ideas about changing society are too much to handle tho.
@@jameer7565 Each player connects with a different experience. Ready or Not isn't about police brutality, it's about the realistic situations police enter during mass shootings. It literally got banned off Steam more than once for being too realistic (though one was over copyright). It's quite controversial, especially during a time when tensions are high between cops and the general public.
I also don't care about the race of characters. However, the race can help people connect and empathize with the character(s), which is integral to crafting the experience and guiding the feelings the player will have. Despite this, my argument never touched on race or representation as a core factor that ruins experiences. The point I made was that the context about the medium matters just as much as the message the medium transfers. The content of TLOU2 changes based on whether you include the cultural factors of the series or not. Most people don't care about the representation if it's done with taste and respect. People love the representation in The Owl House, but hate it in TLOU2 because it isn't earned. The representation in TLOU2 doesn't make the majority of gamers empathize and connect with Abbey, which is a major part of the experience the developers made, as TLOU2 is a narrative game. Abbey was made to represent a group to pander to them, not because it's integral to the story or her character growth. The events would have occurred whether she was trans or not, so her status as representation is cheap, whereas the relationship between Ellie and Dina DOES have narrative importance and is integral to both their characters. That relationship was built up well and despite some not-as-well-received choices, was not flamed for being cheap.
Of course people don't care about the story or representation in GTA as much because GTA isn't a narrative game. It's a sandbox third-person-shooter. People care about the sandbox and the fun of the environment, not whether Trevor is black, white, trans, or anything else. However, despite this, the actual writing of GTAV is actually quite competent, as it explores themes like capitalism, greed, and self-loathing. Even within this game with less "narrative substance", it is still written with competence and respect, which is contrary to TLOU2 or SSKTJL, which both disregard proper writing practices (namely the build-up) in favor of rushed endings. It's not about "progressive" messages being shoe-horned in. It's about the quality and effort. It's readily apparent that these games don't have the same love and appreciation put into them as other masterpieces like RDR2.
And yes, I agree, having representation for the sake of representation doesn't make things progressive. That's the point. People were outraged because it's not actually progressive and is very obviously a ploy to acquire their support. Ellie (and therefore the player) don't connect with Abbey throughout the story, which makes the Abbey section feel awful. The game teaches us to hate and disassociate with Abbey, rather than to empathize and relate. Then, it forces the player to put themselves in her shoes and sympathize because she suffered? So did Ellie and especially Joel. TLOU2 has many themes about suffering and emotional trauma and it expects the player to become invested in all its characters equally, when the player has been given a bias from the previous game. We DON'T spend enough time with Abbey to build this rapport, unlike in GOW Ragnarok with Thor.
People get angry because they get invested and care about the story. You might not, and that's how you enjoy games. That's completely valid and awesome for you. But you shouldn't dismiss the investment and care from others about these works of art just because they care about it in a different way. Video games, especially RPGs, are made to have the players feel like they are the characters or like they know them, at the least. RPG protagonists are very likeable (for long-winded reasons I'd rather not get into). So when those characters (who are audience-inserts) feel mishandled, those who are invested in these characters get upset because they feel betrayed or slighted. They enjoy, maybe even love, the story and world BECAUSE of the narrative. That's how they enjoy the game, which is just as important as gameplay may be to you. It'd be like if the next GTA game didn't have crime; It wouldn't be a GTA game.
Also, side note, the best-selling game of all time is Minecraft, followed by GTAV, then Tetris. RDR2, Witcher 3, and Pokemon fall within the top 15. While gameplay for games is important, 20% of the top 15 games are RPGs. People care about the story (of which GTAV's is quite highly praised, even if it isn't its selling point).
@@kidkamando A vast majority of the "general public" are in fact fucking idiots with invalid views that shouldn't be trusted.
IE: the way too damn many people willing to jump on the hate train and dismiss this perfectly average game as "trash" This game is objectively a C product and everyone rating it lower than that is hating for the sake of hating
The motion capture and face models on this game are OUT. OF. THIS. WORLD.
I get not liking the game and jumping to the conclusion that this isn’t the game rocksteady wanted to make, but why not actually think for a second that maybe this is the game rocksteady wanted to make from the start. The live service bit might not have been apart of the original plan but I bet you that the game itself was part of the original plan.
I genuinely love this game. Graphics are great, the game is fun, and so was the story. I completely understand why people don't like it, but I've been enjoying my time with it.
I don’t blame the actors, they did amazing, especially king shark and boomer.
Harley did great too. Deadshot was decent. But I still love my Gun Man😤
Ok comments… yea, the game is bad but Cinemawins made an Everything great about RISE OF SKYWALKER and he said it was because he makes his videos for the people that enjoy the movie, not necessarily because it was good. so I think anything deserves the chance to be praised for one reason or another (no matter how terrible it might be)
He said that? Wow I actually like that! Making a video for the people that actually enjoys the things that a Majority hate. It kind of like a safe place where people can go to enjoy the things they like.
Oh you the mean the same Rise of Skywalker video where he told people to pretend it was a good movie to enjoy? That's some extreme levels of cope.
just want to point out through datamines that none of the JL we killed are the real ones and they will return in the seasons
I’ll take that bet. Did you data mine this info? Or are you regurgitating what someone else told you?
Pretty sure they were resurrected
I feel like they warner didn't learn from apokolypse war for the DCAU
24:02 I think that was a reference to the Adam West Batman show
Being optimistic yet still taking shots on this game for it's bad touches hahah I respect you dude
My buddy was initially hating on SSKJL but then we watched the full cutscene movie and we immediately fell in love with the story and dynamic. It’s fantastic and got him to change his mind on what he didn’t think much of
maaan ngl hearing conroy during his last speech there and then seeing the farewell had me tearing up QAQ i will miss our batman
I'm in the vast minority that actually enjoyed this game all the way through-
I just finished the game I definitely see all the faults in the game but I did have some enjoyment with it
Yeah it was really fun for me
Glad you did because I did too, hopefully we can get a completed story im sure itll be worth it
Love the Channel men
Its been only 1 month since its release and now its on sale already. This game will totally be dead not even in one year.
Hey GamingWins! You probably won’t see this comment but I’ve been following your channel for a long time now and even though I can’t watch this video yet because I’m in the midst of the campaign, I just wanted to say thank you. So many people have been trashing and tearing this game to bits, but I’ve been a massive fan of the Arkham series since before I even got my first Xbox 360 in 2010 and played through Asylum, I know just about everything there is to know about these games and the extended lore, and have followed every single trailer and reveal since the Arkham City reveal trailer. For a lot of reasons this series means the world to me and I’ve been trying to say that this seems like the most one of the most player-friendly live service games you can play, and RockSteady doesn’t force any payments on you or down your throat, but it kills me to see how this has been treated. Anyway, I know the game is probably dead and will be abandoned very quickly but I hope it doesn’t mean the same for all DC games, or the Arkham series. Now with Kevin Conroy’s passing, I personally think it would be very interesting to see other parts of this universe fleshed out in games, but whatever way it goes, thank you for defending something that means the world to me. Also, the story is SO ENJOYABLE, from what I’ve played!
I’ll die on this hill, yes the game isn’t great but it is still fun. If you don’t like it move on with life
Not $70 fun. Imagine they made this exact same game. Same mechanics and gameplay, but instead it was set in the Star Wars universe. Earth Vader jumping around using guns instead of his light saber.
@@PeopleRTheProblem I can’t lie I have stopped playing but bc after you beat the story there’s not much to do, and I’m not a Star Wars guy but I’m sure there’s people that would like a storm troopers game. And I get you I don’t think any game should be $70 but at the end of the day it’s still many hours and a lot of hard work put into it
@@gilbertgarcia9791 so what? There were many hours put into the challenger but it exploding is still due to poor construction. I don’t care about paying $70 for a game. I care when that $70 game is worth $35. I know people would love a storm trooper game…but that’s that what I said. I specifically said Darth Vader jumping around, sliding on the ground, and shooting bog standard guns. Obi Wan cartwheeling through the air shooting bog standard guns. Objectively this game is a 5/10, but factoring in that they took extra time to make the game better and we still get mediocre, shallow, lazy gameplay drops the score below average. If you saw someone walk through a door and get hit in the face with a pie….wouldn’t you also walking through the same door after seeing what happened make your action more stupid? Or less excusable?
Edit: to be fair, I just checked and saw that I typed “Earth” Vader
Yeah, the writing was not at all great, but the acting was excellent personally.
Especially King Shark. King Shark is worth 10 wins atleast. Harley's a close second