Given the format of the kick, what choice do we have? Line up like a normal kickoff and just kick it to yourself? Everybody would do that every time The kicking team can already pick the ball up if it lands in the landing zone and the receiving team doesn’t get it.
Isn’t the percent almost the same. With it maybe being a little better this year? Seems as though the element of surprise is hugely overrated in the onside kick
The lions had a plethora of reasons why they were even in that position . I didn't like the call but idk why this the one topic the media is using to discuss the loss. The bills were averaging 8 yards per play and were talking about Dan going for an onside kick a few minutes sooner than what's conventional.
For real. I thought the onside kicks made total sense because we have to give ourselves a chance to make up multiple scores. The only question I took away from this game is wondering whether we still have enough talent in who's left on our defense to continue to play well. I fully believe in DC and AG to squeeze every drop of talent they can.
Frankly the game was over at that point. The Lions were basically playing garbage time for 18 minutes that game with how Conservative Buffalo got on defense. The onside kick was dumb as hell, but it didn't change the outcome of the game.
but then they need to change the kickoff back to how it used to be. If players can't move until ball lands or is touched... and if it is a flag if it doesn't land in the landing zone or goes to the 30 if it goes past it. It just doesn't work to not have to announce it with current way the nfl is doing kickoffs and it was an obvious flaw all along.
@ sort of disagree…kick off it not bad it does lead to some fun to watch explosive plays on returns …but so would a sneaky onside kick to win a game….declaring your onside kick took all the excitement out of a onside kick… Next we will have to declare a Fake Punt …
The defense wasn’t getting stops. There was a chance the Lions could have stolen a possession or at least saved time taken off the clock that the Bills would have run down. He gave the defense three quarters to show it could get stops and it lost two crucial starters and accomplished nothing. It was a good call, but it did sort of signal the end of the game.
So you failed to get the onside kick but the defense couldn’t hold the Bills to a field goal proves the defense is to beat up to stop anybody which I wish he tried for two points attempts after to make up points to have a chance.
I think it was a clock management type of thing. U kick it deep they're gonna bleed a ton of the clock driving it down the field on the practice squad defense they're running out there.
They saw Josh Allen was on a heater. The Bills were likely going to milk 5 to 10 minutes on that drive and still be up by two scored... I think more teams might take that decision.
The Steelers punted against the Eagles with over 10 minutes left in the game, pinned them back at their own 2, and never touched the ball again. Giving the Bills a short field practically guarantees you'll see the ball again. That means another chance at points and another chance at an onside kick. The Lions were always going to need to recover an onside kick to have a shot. Taking an early onside kick simply gives them 2 shots at it.
I get a loss is a loss, but it also ensured the difference between a 48-42 "one score" loss versus a 48-28 "absolute blow out" loss. It showed that an injured Lion can still put 42 points on a serious Super Bowl contender. It's a loss but not a bad loss... and as a Lions fan, I've seen my share of BAD losses.
Exactly it. I don't think he was saying he can't trust his defense, it was more that he trusted them to hold the bills to a field goal in 2 minutes instead of a field goal or touchdown in 5, ending the game. I'm at peace, and actually love the decision.
Bills were averging almost 10 yards per play and the talking point by the media is that Dan went for an onside kick a few minutes sooner than whats conventional. Obviously I didn't like the call but I can point to at least 3 other things that contributed to the loss a lot more than the onside kick.
what do you mean it nearly worked? the bills got the ball at the 5... and the Lions never touched it. I don't really care about the decision, i thought they should've played defense, but w/e. I just think it's silly to cope and say "we almost had it" when they never even touched it. They almost had the last one, yes.
They really didn't have much choice. Do you give Buffalo (who you've stopped ONCE) 70 yards to run the clock down & make it a 3 score game? Or do you call an onside & give your guys a chance to get the ball back? Worst case, it's still a 3 score game with more time on the clock, which is exactly what happened.
They really didn't have much choice. Do you give Buffalo (who you've stopped ONCE) 70 yards to run the clock down & make it a 3 score game? Or do you call an onside & give your guys a chance to get the ball back? Worst case, it's still a 3 score game with more time on the clock, which is exactly what happened.
It was a necessity in a game in which our defense could not stop their offense at all and we needed some kind of way to get some momentum and to get some more points to catch up Unfortunately now because of the new rules it needs to be announced and everyone is already waiting for it Not mad at any if these decisions that are made In dan and brad we trust The real fans know this and we are able to see the bandwagoneers after moments like this
@@David-w9i7jAllen put up 3 and 3 which has never been done before. And Goff had as many picks in one game (5) as Allen has all year. Also, Goff put up numbers in garbage time which was basically the whole fourth quarter.
@@williamhager855 And Jared won the game with the five picks, but also threw a perfect game with no incompletions which has never been done before. I get it now that the Bills team sucks so bad that the only player worth a dam is Allen, so he has to carry the team every game just so they can be relevant. Must be awkward in the locker room and at team meetings.
@@williamhager855 Garbage time? Check NFL history and find out that many games have been lost to teams playing in 'garbage time'. Payton Manning put up 21 in less than five minutes in 'garbage time' to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Stop playing a fool, this is the NFL. not high school or college, these are the best players in the game, anything can happen at any time.
@@williamhager855buffalo fans keep saying he put up points in garbage time,4 touch downs in garbage time bro..that's unheard of🤣 Goff was trying to complete the comeback
I remember people used to love the chargers coach when he went for it every 4th down and always went for 2 and said i was wrong for not liking it lol. Same thing happening now💀
@timchmielewski2428 it did work at first and thats why yall all loved it. When it inevitably stopped working everybody acted like they never hyped it up😅 it'll happen again soon
@flacko_jody2130 lions were 2 for 2 on 4th downs. 4 for 5 last week. Got 3tds of 4th downs in 2 weeks. As of right now still is working. We wouldn't have won our two playoff games if we didn't go for it on 4th down. Everyone brings up san fran but forget that we did it the two games before and got 14 points instead of 6 because of going for it on 4th down both ended in one score games. Same story as last year defense in shambles offensive line is the teams super power and they like to lean on it. I dont hype it up personally cause i expect some crazy now. As dan campbell once said "wear a diaper"
I'm glad that it worked out well for me as a Bills fan, but this is just another reason why the kickoff rule needs to go back to how it was. If Detroit has the option to sneak an onside kick instead of having to declare it to the Bills, we could have had a completely different game.
That is 100% true. However, the Lions wasted a LOT of time in the 4th. At least a minute, minute in a half if not more. You're down 2-3 scores against one of the best teams in the league, with the clock running & you're standing around like it's the 1st quarter? Call the play & get your ass lined up!
The onside kick was a GREAT decision,.... IF the NFL didn't have the stupid rule that you have to declare it first!!!! It totally takes away the spirit of the game. The NFL have become a bunch of idiots and weak-minded fools. The spirit of what is football - mettle on mettle - is lost. And I am saying this as a fan of the game whose team has lost many players to injury.
It isn't that you have to declare it. It's the fact that there is no way to not declare it since the setup of a regular kickoff now differs so much from an onside kick.
The onside kick would've been a great (potentially) decision if the nfl still had the previous rule. But the fact remains the rule was changed, therefore it's a moot point to talk about how great it would've been. The line between aggressive and stupid is thin, and Dan Campbell is teetering towards the latter.
They could just go back to the old kickoff… the dynamic kickoff still has a really high touchback rate which was the issue with the old kickoff so if we just go back it won’t change much
I hope that was a Super Bowl preview because seeing these 2 franchises in the Super Bowl with their history and how great they are this year would be so fun to see
As a life long Detroit Native! I 100% hated this onside kick call! Its one thing if its back before the rule change, but they know we are doing it! It comes down to our hurt, beat down defense just needed to make 2 or 3 more stops! Getting down early killed us! If we score on the first drive i think we win that game!
I like Dan Campbell's aggressive calls on offense, especially considering how beat up the defense is. Going for it on 4th down and keeping the ball out of the hands of the Packers offense is what won the Lions the game last week. They were, statistically, the right decisions (except for maybe that one on our own 30 yard line). That being said, I don't see the logic in going for the on-side kick. Under the current rules, recovering an on-side kick is a 1% chance at best. It's such a high risk play that you should only go for an on-side kick if you have zero other options. As depleted as the Lions defense is right now, trusting the defense is still a MUCH higher percentage decision than the on-side kick. There's a difference between gutsy calls and mathematically incorrect calls. For as much criticism as Dan Campbell gets, his calls are usually both. But this one was all guts, no math.
The probability of recovering is not great but if buffalo recovers normally around the 40 it's not too crazy cause it's also less field and time for buffalo to burn up if they do score like they were all game.
If he really thought his defense couldn't stop the Bills, it makes sense to give his team a chance at an extra possession. But if it made sense when he did it, it made sense every kickoff for the rest of the game. If he did it once, he should have done it the next time as well
Dan’s decision blew my mind. Talk about aggressive! And it looks so much worse than it is because Hollis capitalized on it so much better than a player normally would. But the bottom line is Dan is dragging a historically awful team to the SuperBowl for the first time. The Lions’ only Achilles Heel is its utterly physically broken defense. And the Bills defense isn’t so good itself.
I think that comes from him being a player first and a coach 2nd. But I do think sometimes his bravado can be called into question but then again look at what he has done with this team and where he has them?! Those players believe in their coach and that coach believes in his players? When a starter gets hurt, well he is out and we have so and so and we believe he can get it done? So it's the next man in line to step up and get the job done. And Campbell has been very good at that next man in line mentality with this team. I'm not a Lions fan but whatever Campbell is preaching the players are buying and he has turned that team around. Kudos to Dan Campbell over the last few years and give em hell Coach!
Honestly, I believe it was their only choice. Best case scenario if you kick it deep is your defense gets a miraculous 3 and out and you get the ball back with like 10 minutes left. After a good 5 minute drive to score a touchdown you again are faced with a choice. Kick it deep and hope for another miraculous stop or go for an onside kick that pretty much instantly loses if you fail it. Worst case scenario is what the Eagles did to the Steelers when they punted it away with over 10 minutes left. The Steelers never touched the ball again. Arguably the most likely option is that the Bills take 5 minutes to score a touchdown and now you're in a 3-score hole with only 6 minutes left instead of 11. If you go for the onside kick with 12 minutes left and you fail, the short field reduces the Bills' ability to waste clock on a long touchdown drive, you give up on the defensive hail mary 3 and out, and you probably get the ball back with about 10 minutes or so down 3 scores. Honestly, what happened in the game was the best possible failing outcome for them. The Bills took almost no time off the clock at all because of the return to the 5 and the touchdown on the next play.
@@220ox7 He's a great coach. I know some people think he's bad. But to those idiots all I can say is if you think you can roll down to WalMart and get a better coach, get moving. 3/4 of the rest of the NFL is getting by with horrible to mediocre coaches and they want to ditch a guy who's made a generational joke of a team into a real threat. NGL. As a Bills fan when the Lions had only 12 seconds left in the game I was still a little worried.
@@EricDaMAJ Personally I think people just see an onside kick earlier than they usually see one, it didn't work, and they just default to calling it a bad playcall. If you actually think it through, there's really no other choice.
I think it was the best choice in the moment. The choices were: 1. you kick like usual and you hope for a 3 and out (unlikely based on the rest of the game) or a long drive that could extend their lead OR 2. you kick it onside and chance getting the ball really quickly or they get the ball and score really quickly. The most likely thing to happen either way was the Bills get the ball and score the choice was how much time you wanted to leave on the clock after they score.
the outcome of that play is probably the 3rd best thing that could've happened for the lions and here's why: normal kickoff - bills get the ball at their own 30 (i'm just assuming touchback for simplicity), then march down the field and score 7 points, running the clock down to let's assume 7:00 (they'd probably run a bit more but i'm kind of biasing it in the lions favor to further make the other options look even better when you think how realistically this would be much worse) lions recover onside - obviously the best case, do i even have to explain? bills recover onside and down it right there - this is 4th best case, pretty much same as normal kick but let's say they only run clock down to around 9:00 bills recover onside and get a great return - 3rd best (and what actually happened), they get a great return and score quickly, lions get ball with 11:51 bills recover onside and score - 2nd best option, would run the least time possible i understand why it's a controversial call, but there's a chance that without this play the game ends 45-28 or potentially even 38-28 without the lions ever having a chance for a comeback which they almost ended up pulling off, with the final score being 48-42 edit: i should add that i'm ignoring the chance the bills only score a field goal, while i know that is possible, every time josh allen had the ball in his hands it very much seemed to be a case of unstoppable force meets moveable object, so a touchdown was the most likely outcome
@@dwill1205 You can't predict the future, anything can happen during a play. Just because the Bills demoralized you into thinking an onside kick was a good idea, doesn't actually make it a good idea.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. A little too aggressive for me given the amount of time left, but you can’t say it wasn’t entertaining. What a game and possible SB match up.
Onside kicks is 5% and I'm sure the Lions knew this. Fact is the Bills are the stronger team, and they won. Go Bills! Pat I love how you bad mouthed Allen before and now, everything is golden. Thing is ppl remember what you say. You're still just a kicker. Yes shade.
I was actually impressed with both the kickers onside kicks. I’ve seen a lot of sh*t onside kicks this year and both of his had a chance to be recovered if they went just slightly different.
You should be able to have guys line up in onside position and in the standard position. Like 5 up and 5 down, and the recieving team can adapt to what the kicking team is showing. If they kick it deep the guys on the onside line have to wait just like the downfield guys. No need to declare onsides. Only issue is the macafee style onside where you kick it yourself. You'd have to make that illegal.
By going for the onside kick, they were also limiting how many first downs / time the Bills could get before forcing a field goal. Except it got returned to the 5.
The problem I have with changing onside rules to a 4th and 20 type thing is that it would be fair and unbiased. A team that is lead by their offense would have an unfair advantage over a team lead by their defense. Telling the Trent Dilfer lead Ravens they have to get a 4th and 20 for an onside is way different than telling the Tom Brady and Randy Moss lead Patriots. Not for anything they’ve earned, because the NFL changed the onside rules to be reliant on your offense after spending the last decade building a team through high draft picks, free agents, and a defensive coordinator as the head coach. I say whichever team wants to onside kick has to spin a roulette wheel and each spend costs $100k of your cap space next season and it’s added to your opponent’s cap space for next season. You want to do something safe and exciting this is the way to do it.
As a kicker, they should be excited about onside kicks. It's the only thing kickers do that no matter the result, it could have been totally prevented by the offense or defense doing their job at all.
How about we move the kickoff location from the 35 to the 45 if there is a declared onside kick since the odds have been reduced with declaring? Maybe even the 50.
As a Lion fan who was offended last week when everyone said he made the wrong call to win the game. There was too much time left for that onside kick. Dan is not Perfect and he will make mistakes like all of us. But i will ride with him either way. Didnt love the onside when they were lining up before the kick, but i wouldnt trade or change Dan for everyone.
It honestly wasnt that crazy it was just very unfortunate that Hollins not only recovered the onside kick, but was able to take all the way down to the 3, if they recover and aren't able to advance further then we're really not talking about this play as much as the other factors that actually cost us this game
It was a good kick. How often do you see anyone run back an onside kick. I agree with the decision. 20-25 yards wasn't going to cost the Lions the game. They couldn't stop the Bills will all the injuries. But, they should never have to declare an onside kick. Change the rules.
Bills were up 35-14 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd....Sure Goff went off in garbage time, but MCDC knew they had a better chance of stealing a possession with an onside kick than the last 11 guys on their roster playing defense.
It wasn't a reckless call. It might sound reckless if you didn't actually watch the game. Detroit wasn't stopping the run, pass or anything else. This game was over when the Lions didn't capitalize on the Bills' missed field goal. The Bills were firmly in control of this game from the start. The onside kick didn't cost them the game. What cost them the game was an undisciplined defense who couldn't stop anything. The injury bill finally came due.
I would think it should not be hard to teach a RB to do a drag up the middle onside kick and have a bigger faster guy blow up the middle. Other crazy idea, what about a drop kick for kickoff?
We wouldn't have been in that game without the gambling. You can't celebrate all the winning and complain when things don't work. He gambled against the bucs and rams in the first two playoff games last year.
@@mattverville9227 It's more sad because if he just took the field goal you win that game. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen. And you won't be getting that close this year.
with all due respect, what else do you expect them to do? the bills were scoring on every single drive, the lions couldnt stop them. so having that knowledge on top of knowing how injured the defense is as you said "everybody knows" what else do they do? if it worked, you wouldnt of called it reckless, you would of praised him just like last week when they went on 4th down to end the game. whos to say we kick the ball normally, give them the ball at the 30 and then they take an extra 3-4 mins that we could of used to get closer?
Well like clearly you do the onside with 6 minutes left instead of 10 and the Lions win the game guaranteed. Duh i mean come on any fool can see that. It was totally fine to do with 6 minutes left but not 10
As a packers fan I completely agree. The criticism is so overblown. If the lions tied it up last week and the Packers somehow marched down to score or won in OT the narrative on that 4th down would be completely different, and that was (I’m a lot of ways) riskier. Bills would have probably scored on that drive either way. Dan Campbell didn’t turn Detroit into a dominant team by being a poor decision maker.
you shouldnt have to tell an onside kick is coming to the other team situational awareness understand the time and what's happening but having everyone on the 5 fucks it up. If the Saints tell the Colts they're onside kicking they might not win their super bowl...
Yes Campbells decision was reckless. But being behind two scores and the defense unable to stop Josh Allen the Lions had to steal a possession somewhere. Campbell wins way more than he loses
I didnt like it at the time but we were in the same spot at 8mins that we were at 12mins. And the bills burnt up 7mins with no problems. Anzalone and Hutch are a must to "contain" Allen. Its still a good year to be a lion.
2 weeks in a row with no faith in the defense, went for it on 4th and short last week, and the onside with almost 12 min left this week. It's official our defense is liability status now with the injuries. Goff has his best game of the year but it doesn't matter because we fell behind early, abandoned the run and failed to generate TO's which came easy early on. AG needs to realize this defense is stagnant and has to put his guys in risky positions especially in the secondary to generate TO's. If we don't generate TOs vs great teams we won't do much in the playoffs. We know the offense is contender caliber, but the D needs to find a way to at least be average when it comes to generating TO's.
They couldn't stop Josh Allen all game. They were going to have to recover an onside kick eventually. Trying it early and failing makes the Bills score quickly rather than eating up all the clock like the Eagles did against the Steelers. It also basically guarantees the Lions will have another shot at an onside kick later if they manage to score again. It's extremely aggressive, but if it worked we'd all be calling him a genius.
Say they kick it deep, Bills drive for 8 min and even if they only score 3 you are still down 2 scores with a few minutes left. If it takes you 2 min to score you have to do an onside there anyway. Based on the way the Bills were driving and how many scores you need the onsides kick was going to have to happen anyway.
Its always the right call when it works and the wrong call when it doesn’t You get it wrong a lot, you’re Brandon Staley, if you get it right you’re Dan Campbell
My biggest question is why did the NFL change the rules about onside kicks in the first place? If we want to take the unexpected out of the game let the offense tell the defense I'm doing this and the defense tell the offense I'm doing this? I don't know why Campbell went with that choice but when teams want to try something outside of the norm they shouldn't have to tell the other team what is about to happen? Can the kicking team tell them onside every time and boot it deep except that one time they short kick it as a way to skirt the rules?
because under current rules... players can't move until ball hits the landing zone or end zone, or opposite team touches it. So if you can't move until ball lands... how can either team attempt to defend or attack a surprise onside kick? Because they are so close as well... only 5 yards apart. Also, it is a flag if the ball doesn't land in the landing zone under normal kicks. So if you onside kick it and it doesn't land in the landing zone is it a flag? All the new kick off rules makes it pretty much impossible to do an onside fairly without announcing it before... and yes it is stupid. They never should have changed the kickoff rules to what it is now. If anything just move the kicker back 15 or 20 more yards from how it used to be so they couldn't just boot it out the end zone every time.
@@220ox7 well yeah. It is a horrible kickoff rule. Go back to the old way. Make kickers start back another 15 or 20 yards than before if they are tired of it always going out the end zone.. or just make the ball start on the 30 or even the 35 if they kick it out like they do now.
@@middleagedgamers7750 Just leave the game alone and allow special teams to adapt to the fact that people can kick the ball further or the ability to target areas? QB doesn't get told well the middle is too open on crossing routes you can't throw there anymore? It's a stupid rule that the NFL messed with to take attention off of other scenarios?
When rules like these start getting messed with the league doesn't care about the kickers in this league. I'm old school let the kicker be the kicker? The QB doesn't get told you can throw a pass over this amount of yards or under? Why should a kicker endure the same?
It ended up giving the Lions more time with the football. But to give the Bill that field position was not great. He would have been called a genius if it worked, so good on brand call from coach Campbell.
Dan Campbell is going to do something this stupid in the playoffs and the Lions will lose because of it and everyone will STILL go “Hey, it’s just part of his game, he gets a pass”
Why can’t both things be true? It’s Dan Campbell being himself, but also a bone headed decision. You’re only down 10. Why go for an onside kick that put them at the 5 because they nearly ran it back? There’s no reason to do it. It’s gonna cost the lions
When ur getting no type of plays out of ur defense and the offense is walking up n down the field without really any resistance, u try wild ideas ...thebills basically scored every possession it was clear that after the first half even with adjustments the lions didn't have enough talent to slow the bills down (lots of injuries played a role in this decision as well-for lil xtra context) i actually liked the call had we got it; it wld have been genius idk if anybody seen an onside kick coming atp my only gripe is the fact u have to announce ur going to attempt an onside pretty much negating all elements of surprise, id go as far as saying with announcing the kick ur heightening the defenses awareness if anything but that's y its a risk even if they just kicked it normally the bills were scoring in 3-4 plays each drive i seriously doubt it actually affected the outcome of the game other than giving slightly better field position for the bills who wld have more than likely scored regardless
Declaring a onside kick the most asinine rule ever. If that was the rule going back 20 years. There might be a few different superbowl champions. Would the Saints have won if they had to declare the onside kick. To start the 2nd half. That totally caught the kick receive team off guard. That play lit the Saints fire. The Colts made it a game. That onside kick is what won that superbowl. Won't see that anymore
It’s hard for me to call these types of games the best of the year. Two sides of the ball. Both teams need to step it up on D if they want a Lombardi trophy
I think the idea was that even if they kicked it off they were still gonna give up a TD anyways the way the D was playing. If they get the onside great! If they dont the bills will score in way less time leaving more time for the lions to mount a comeback. It almost worked too.
are you allowed to line drive an onside kick into the other team? just really tee off and hope for a deflection? never seen it done and have always wondered.
Campbell should have done another onside kick the next time he had to kick the ball, if he got that one he wouldn't have needed to try to do it with only 12 seconds left. And if he didn't get that one either it would have been a shorter field for Buffalo and they wouldn't have chewed up 6 minutes of clock time.
Having to declare the onside kick play is the worst rule change in years. Completely ruins the purpose and reason for the play.
Given the format of the kick, what choice do we have? Line up like a normal kickoff and just kick it to yourself? Everybody would do that every time
The kicking team can already pick the ball up if it lands in the landing zone and the receiving team doesn’t get it.
Takes out the element of surprise
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Good point using the kickoff rules as they are. Simple solution. CHANGE THE RULES
@@j.g.mcbell9494Hopefully they just go back to the normal kickoff. I haven’t met anyone who prefers the new style
Isn’t the percent almost the same. With it maybe being a little better this year? Seems as though the element of surprise is hugely overrated in the onside kick
The lions had a plethora of reasons why they were even in that position . I didn't like the call but idk why this the one topic the media is using to discuss the loss. The bills were averaging 8 yards per play and were talking about Dan going for an onside kick a few minutes sooner than what's conventional.
For real. I thought the onside kicks made total sense because we have to give ourselves a chance to make up multiple scores. The only question I took away from this game is wondering whether we still have enough talent in who's left on our defense to continue to play well. I fully believe in DC and AG to squeeze every drop of talent they can.
I called it yesterday at the game this will be all the media talks about. It will the sole reason we lost the game. The narrative is so lazy
Frankly the game was over at that point. The Lions were basically playing garbage time for 18 minutes that game with how Conservative Buffalo got on defense. The onside kick was dumb as hell, but it didn't change the outcome of the game.
Lions' D was unreliable.
Bills' QB was going to score yet another TD, or at least a FG, if Dan did a regular kick to the Bills.
Haters looking for any reason to down play what DC has done with this team. Especially this year with all these injuries and still 12-2
The rule needs to be changed…no reason to have to tell the other team first…that’s total nonsense
Agreed. It defeats the whole purpose of the onside kick play.
but then they need to change the kickoff back to how it used to be. If players can't move until ball lands or is touched... and if it is a flag if it doesn't land in the landing zone or goes to the 30 if it goes past it. It just doesn't work to not have to announce it with current way the nfl is doing kickoffs and it was an obvious flaw all along.
@ sort of disagree…kick off it not bad it does lead to some fun to watch explosive plays on returns …but so would a sneaky onside kick to win a game….declaring your onside kick took all the excitement out of a onside kick…
Next we will have to declare a Fake Punt …
Change it to a 4th and 20 play for the offense
You have to cause they line up at the 35 now instead of how they used to. The new kickoff rule sucks period
I think it was more desperate than reckless.
Definitely
Wanted to ride the momentum change and give the Defense a break. The Bills were cooking all game
The defense wasn’t getting stops. There was a chance the Lions could have stolen a possession or at least saved time taken off the clock that the Bills would have run down.
He gave the defense three quarters to show it could get stops and it lost two crucial starters and accomplished nothing. It was a good call, but it did sort of signal the end of the game.
Reason why they won’t ever win the big one, MCDC
@@jean-lucdesselle-mm3mv They are 12-2 with like 16 people on IR. I think they still have a shot at the super bowl. It's just gonna be difficult.
I think these calls make a lot of sense. You know your defense can’t stop their offence. Might as well roll the dice and go for it all.
The defense still has a better chance of stopping Buffalo than the special teams does recovering an onside kick.
So you failed to get the onside kick but the defense couldn’t hold the Bills to a field goal proves the defense is to beat up to stop anybody which I wish he tried for two points attempts after to make up points to have a chance.
How are you this dumb?
The lions had just previously forced the bills kick a fg. If you keep scoring tuds and limit them to fg or less....
I think it was a clock management type of thing. U kick it deep they're gonna bleed a ton of the clock driving it down the field on the practice squad defense they're running out there.
They saw Josh Allen was on a heater. The Bills were likely going to milk 5 to 10 minutes on that drive and still be up by two scored...
I think more teams might take that decision.
The Steelers punted against the Eagles with over 10 minutes left in the game, pinned them back at their own 2, and never touched the ball again.
Giving the Bills a short field practically guarantees you'll see the ball again. That means another chance at points and another chance at an onside kick.
The Lions were always going to need to recover an onside kick to have a shot. Taking an early onside kick simply gives them 2 shots at it.
I get a loss is a loss, but it also ensured the difference between a 48-42 "one score" loss versus a 48-28 "absolute blow out" loss. It showed that an injured Lion can still put 42 points on a serious Super Bowl contender. It's a loss but not a bad loss... and as a Lions fan, I've seen my share of BAD losses.
@andrewb378 this is exactly the thinking I believe. Makes sense, give up the short field to save the clock for another chance at recovering.
@@nickfifteenthe lions injuries are on defense which has nothing to do with their offense putting up 42.
We couldn't stop the Bills all game. It nearly worked and gave us more time on the clock
exactly
Exactly it. I don't think he was saying he can't trust his defense, it was more that he trusted them to hold the bills to a field goal in 2 minutes instead of a field goal or touchdown in 5, ending the game. I'm at peace, and actually love the decision.
Bills were averging almost 10 yards per play and the talking point by the media is that Dan went for an onside kick a few minutes sooner than whats conventional. Obviously I didn't like the call but I can point to at least 3 other things that contributed to the loss a lot more than the onside kick.
Lions are my second team these injuries are about to hurt us bad bad I think….unfortunately
what do you mean it nearly worked? the bills got the ball at the 5... and the Lions never touched it. I don't really care about the decision, i thought they should've played defense, but w/e. I just think it's silly to cope and say "we almost had it" when they never even touched it. They almost had the last one, yes.
I think it was just Dan Campbell being Dan Campbell, recklessness is the name of his game & it's why its a joy to watch him.
They really didn't have much choice. Do you give Buffalo (who you've stopped ONCE) 70 yards to run the clock down & make it a 3 score game? Or do you call an onside & give your guys a chance to get the ball back? Worst case, it's still a 3 score game with more time on the clock, which is exactly what happened.
Remembered the failed fake punt against the Packers on Thanksgiving last year? Yeah, this is just Dan Campbell
if it was before the rule change of telling the other team of an onside kick, it would have been a half decent move.
They really didn't have much choice. Do you give Buffalo (who you've stopped ONCE) 70 yards to run the clock down & make it a 3 score game? Or do you call an onside & give your guys a chance to get the ball back? Worst case, it's still a 3 score game with more time on the clock, which is exactly what happened.
bro, Mack Hollins is a dawg! been watching him ball out for years! ❤
I hated that the Raiders let him go. I'm happy he is finding success elsewhere.
It was a necessity in a game in which our defense could not stop their offense at all and we needed some kind of way to get some momentum and to get some more points to catch up
Unfortunately now because of the new rules it needs to be announced and everyone is already waiting for it
Not mad at any if these decisions that are made
In dan and brad we trust
The real fans know this and we are able to see the bandwagoneers after moments like this
500 yards 5 touchdowns 0 interceptions in a loss is mind blowing
And they say the loss will take him out of the MVP race, but somehow Allen's stats in the loss to the Rams ads to his MVP lead.
@@David-w9i7jAllen put up 3 and 3 which has never been done before. And Goff had as many picks in one game (5) as Allen has all year. Also, Goff put up numbers in garbage time which was basically the whole fourth quarter.
@@williamhager855 And Jared won the game with the five picks, but also threw a perfect game with no incompletions which has never been done before. I get it now that the Bills team sucks so bad that the only player worth a dam is Allen, so he has to carry the team every game just so they can be relevant. Must be awkward in the locker room and at team meetings.
@@williamhager855 Garbage time? Check NFL history and find out that many games have been lost to teams playing in 'garbage time'. Payton Manning put up 21 in less than five minutes in 'garbage time' to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Stop playing a fool, this is the NFL. not high school or college, these are the best players in the game, anything can happen at any time.
@@williamhager855buffalo fans keep saying he put up points in garbage time,4 touch downs in garbage time bro..that's unheard of🤣 Goff was trying to complete the comeback
I remember people used to love the chargers coach when he went for it every 4th down and always went for 2 and said i was wrong for not liking it lol. Same thing happening now💀
Chargers were never on a 11 game win streak tho. Difference with Staley is it never worked.
@timchmielewski2428 it did work at first and thats why yall all loved it. When it inevitably stopped working everybody acted like they never hyped it up😅 it'll happen again soon
@flacko_jody2130 lions were 2 for 2 on 4th downs. 4 for 5 last week. Got 3tds of 4th downs in 2 weeks. As of right now still is working. We wouldn't have won our two playoff games if we didn't go for it on 4th down. Everyone brings up san fran but forget that we did it the two games before and got 14 points instead of 6 because of going for it on 4th down both ended in one score games. Same story as last year defense in shambles offensive line is the teams super power and they like to lean on it. I dont hype it up personally cause i expect some crazy now. As dan campbell once said "wear a diaper"
Kicking an onside with 12 minutes left isn't anywhere close to going for it on 4th down
Hard to recover an onside kick with those giant balls swinging around
best comment on here!
Balls for what
In hockey, when you are losing, you pull the goalie.
You only pull the goalie in the last few minutes, not at the beginning of the third period.
@David-w9i7j if the goalie can't stop the puck from going in the net you might as well.
@@David-w9i7jwhen you’re down multiple goals you pull the goalie earlier, so DC’s choice still tracks
I'm glad that it worked out well for me as a Bills fan, but this is just another reason why the kickoff rule needs to go back to how it was. If Detroit has the option to sneak an onside kick instead of having to declare it to the Bills, we could have had a completely different game.
That is 100% true. However, the Lions wasted a LOT of time in the 4th. At least a minute, minute in a half if not more. You're down 2-3 scores against one of the best teams in the league, with the clock running & you're standing around like it's the 1st quarter? Call the play & get your ass lined up!
Lol no. your bills would have still recovered the ball.....
The onside kick was a GREAT decision,.... IF the NFL didn't have the stupid rule that you have to declare it first!!!!
It totally takes away the spirit of the game. The NFL have become a bunch of idiots and weak-minded fools. The spirit of what is football - mettle on mettle - is lost. And I am saying this as a fan of the game whose team has lost many players to injury.
It isn't that you have to declare it. It's the fact that there is no way to not declare it since the setup of a regular kickoff now differs so much from an onside kick.
They do things like that then schedule teams to play 3 games in 11 days bc they want to play stupid Christmas games even on a Wednesday 😑
The onside kick would've been a great (potentially) decision if the nfl still had the previous rule. But the fact remains the rule was changed, therefore it's a moot point to talk about how great it would've been. The line between aggressive and stupid is thin, and Dan Campbell is teetering towards the latter.
The kickoff is stupid in general.
@@roringderff We weren't going to stop Allen anyways. Gave us two shots at an onside kick instead of one
The worst part of that game for the Lions was losing David Montgomery.
It's not only not the top problem but not even second worst. Carlton Davis and McNeil is far bigger problem and it's not close.
@mattverville9227
The defense was already done. Now Montgomery being out hinders the offense. That is huge.
I agree the defensive players are a way bigger blow. Gibbs takes bulk and mix in Vaki, Reynolds and Jefferson
@@lagodifuoco313not really, McNeil is our best dl and Davis is our best cb. We still have a bunch of running backs
Great times when the best modern coaching is giving us this much screen time. Thanks Bill !!!
They could just go back to the old kickoff… the dynamic kickoff still has a really high touchback rate which was the issue with the old kickoff so if we just go back it won’t change much
I hope that was a Super Bowl preview because seeing these 2 franchises in the Super Bowl with their history and how great they are this year would be so fun to see
Gotta admire Campbell's stellar playoff record.
Haha yeah 🙄
You can tell Bill is happier the way he is talking football now good luck Bill
As a life long Detroit Native! I 100% hated this onside kick call! Its one thing if its back before the rule change, but they know we are doing it! It comes down to our hurt, beat down defense just needed to make 2 or 3 more stops! Getting down early killed us! If we score on the first drive i think we win that game!
I like Dan Campbell's aggressive calls on offense, especially considering how beat up the defense is. Going for it on 4th down and keeping the ball out of the hands of the Packers offense is what won the Lions the game last week. They were, statistically, the right decisions (except for maybe that one on our own 30 yard line).
That being said, I don't see the logic in going for the on-side kick. Under the current rules, recovering an on-side kick is a 1% chance at best. It's such a high risk play that you should only go for an on-side kick if you have zero other options. As depleted as the Lions defense is right now, trusting the defense is still a MUCH higher percentage decision than the on-side kick.
There's a difference between gutsy calls and mathematically incorrect calls. For as much criticism as Dan Campbell gets, his calls are usually both. But this one was all guts, no math.
No one is talking about Hollins making a spectacular play, he misses that ball and Dan Campbell is the hero again.
Love the Monday morning coaches. Think they know everything. All I know is they weren't stopping Josh Allen with that banged up defense.
The probability of recovering is not great but if buffalo recovers normally around the 40 it's not too crazy cause it's also less field and time for buffalo to burn up if they do score like they were all game.
I don't care about the onside kick or the loss. The injuries are the big issue. The defense couldn't stop an unlubed Diddy on a slip and slide
If he really thought his defense couldn't stop the Bills, it makes sense to give his team a chance at an extra possession. But if it made sense when he did it, it made sense every kickoff for the rest of the game. If he did it once, he should have done it the next time as well
I mean, once Hollins returns it to the 5 I don’t blame him for not doing it the next kickoff lol
Should've just forfeit as soon as the onside didn't work then. Same logic to me
That kick was to damn good for our personal . Our guys wasn’t ready that was a beautiful kick from bates
Dan’s decision blew my mind. Talk about aggressive! And it looks so much worse than it is because Hollis capitalized on it so much better than a player normally would. But the bottom line is Dan is dragging a historically awful team to the SuperBowl for the first time. The Lions’ only Achilles Heel is its utterly physically broken defense. And the Bills defense isn’t so good itself.
I think that comes from him being a player first and a coach 2nd. But I do think sometimes his bravado can be called into question but then again look at what he has done with this team and where he has them?! Those players believe in their coach and that coach believes in his players? When a starter gets hurt, well he is out and we have so and so and we believe he can get it done? So it's the next man in line to step up and get the job done. And Campbell has been very good at that next man in line mentality with this team. I'm not a Lions fan but whatever Campbell is preaching the players are buying and he has turned that team around. Kudos to Dan Campbell over the last few years and give em hell Coach!
Honestly, I believe it was their only choice.
Best case scenario if you kick it deep is your defense gets a miraculous 3 and out and you get the ball back with like 10 minutes left. After a good 5 minute drive to score a touchdown you again are faced with a choice. Kick it deep and hope for another miraculous stop or go for an onside kick that pretty much instantly loses if you fail it. Worst case scenario is what the Eagles did to the Steelers when they punted it away with over 10 minutes left. The Steelers never touched the ball again. Arguably the most likely option is that the Bills take 5 minutes to score a touchdown and now you're in a 3-score hole with only 6 minutes left instead of 11.
If you go for the onside kick with 12 minutes left and you fail, the short field reduces the Bills' ability to waste clock on a long touchdown drive, you give up on the defensive hail mary 3 and out, and you probably get the ball back with about 10 minutes or so down 3 scores. Honestly, what happened in the game was the best possible failing outcome for them. The Bills took almost no time off the clock at all because of the return to the 5 and the touchdown on the next play.
@@andrewb378 Well reasoned. Again, I think the play call looks worse than it was because Hollins got a big return on it.
@@220ox7 He's a great coach. I know some people think he's bad. But to those idiots all I can say is if you think you can roll down to WalMart and get a better coach, get moving. 3/4 of the rest of the NFL is getting by with horrible to mediocre coaches and they want to ditch a guy who's made a generational joke of a team into a real threat. NGL. As a Bills fan when the Lions had only 12 seconds left in the game I was still a little worried.
@@EricDaMAJ Personally I think people just see an onside kick earlier than they usually see one, it didn't work, and they just default to calling it a bad playcall. If you actually think it through, there's really no other choice.
I think it was the best choice in the moment. The choices were: 1. you kick like usual and you hope for a 3 and out (unlikely based on the rest of the game) or a long drive that could extend their lead OR 2. you kick it onside and chance getting the ball really quickly or they get the ball and score really quickly. The most likely thing to happen either way was the Bills get the ball and score the choice was how much time you wanted to leave on the clock after they score.
the outcome of that play is probably the 3rd best thing that could've happened for the lions and here's why:
normal kickoff - bills get the ball at their own 30 (i'm just assuming touchback for simplicity), then march down the field and score 7 points, running the clock down to let's assume 7:00 (they'd probably run a bit more but i'm kind of biasing it in the lions favor to further make the other options look even better when you think how realistically this would be much worse)
lions recover onside - obviously the best case, do i even have to explain?
bills recover onside and down it right there - this is 4th best case, pretty much same as normal kick but let's say they only run clock down to around 9:00
bills recover onside and get a great return - 3rd best (and what actually happened), they get a great return and score quickly, lions get ball with 11:51
bills recover onside and score - 2nd best option, would run the least time possible
i understand why it's a controversial call, but there's a chance that without this play the game ends 45-28 or potentially even 38-28 without the lions ever having a chance for a comeback which they almost ended up pulling off, with the final score being 48-42
edit: i should add that i'm ignoring the chance the bills only score a field goal, while i know that is possible, every time josh allen had the ball in his hands it very much seemed to be a case of unstoppable force meets moveable object, so a touchdown was the most likely outcome
7% chance of getting the ball. 2% chance of stopping Josh Allen and the Bills. Hadnt all day.
More like it's a 50/50 chance of stopping him every down if you kick it long.
@@aarondonald1611how did that work out for them the previous 3 quarters? plus their defensive injuries on top of that
@@dwill1205 You can't predict the future, anything can happen during a play. Just because the Bills demoralized you into thinking an onside kick was a good idea, doesn't actually make it a good idea.
They were not stopping the Bills. Do not Blame Dan on this one.
They still could have. Dan is 1 reason for this loss
Live by the sword, die by the sword. A little too aggressive for me given the amount of time left, but you can’t say it wasn’t entertaining. What a game and possible SB match up.
“Will we see this in the playoffs?” We already did against the 49ers. And that’s why we weren’t in the Super Bowl last year.
6.8% chance of recovering is higher than the 0% chance of stopping Josh Allen. I love the call.
Onside kicks is 5% and I'm sure the Lions knew this. Fact is the Bills are the stronger team, and they won. Go Bills! Pat I love how you bad mouthed Allen before and now, everything is golden. Thing is ppl remember what you say. You're still just a kicker. Yes shade.
Knew the hate was gonna come from everybody after this loss
The entire defense is on IR and they weren't stopping the Bills. I feel like anyone with a brain understands the decision.
Lions Defense Force is out battling for their guy today
I was actually impressed with both the kickers onside kicks. I’ve seen a lot of sh*t onside kicks this year and both of his had a chance to be recovered if they went just slightly different.
what is % team recover onside kick? Answer that first. With 12 min left and only down 10, still very much in the game.
You should be able to have guys line up in onside position and in the standard position. Like 5 up and 5 down, and the recieving team can adapt to what the kicking team is showing. If they kick it deep the guys on the onside line have to wait just like the downfield guys. No need to declare onsides. Only issue is the macafee style onside where you kick it yourself. You'd have to make that illegal.
By going for the onside kick, they were also limiting how many first downs / time the Bills could get before forcing a field goal. Except it got returned to the 5.
The problem I have with changing onside rules to a 4th and 20 type thing is that it would be fair and unbiased. A team that is lead by their offense would have an unfair advantage over a team lead by their defense. Telling the Trent Dilfer lead Ravens they have to get a 4th and 20 for an onside is way different than telling the Tom Brady and Randy Moss lead Patriots. Not for anything they’ve earned, because the NFL changed the onside rules to be reliant on your offense after spending the last decade building a team through high draft picks, free agents, and a defensive coordinator as the head coach. I say whichever team wants to onside kick has to spin a roulette wheel and each spend costs $100k of your cap space next season and it’s added to your opponent’s cap space for next season. You want to do something safe and exciting this is the way to do it.
They have to figure out the on-side kick rules...Belichick said it perfect, make it so the receiving team must play both potential outcomes
As a kicker, they should be excited about onside kicks. It's the only thing kickers do that no matter the result, it could have been totally prevented by the offense or defense doing their job at all.
That entire on side sequence took 9 seconds. It was probably better than giving them the ball and using up half the clock.
How about we move the kickoff location from the 35 to the 45 if there is a declared onside kick since the odds have been reduced with declaring? Maybe even the 50.
As a Lion fan who was offended last week when everyone said he made the wrong call to win the game. There was too much time left for that onside kick. Dan is not Perfect and he will make mistakes like all of us. But i will ride with him either way. Didnt love the onside when they were lining up before the kick, but i wouldnt trade or change Dan for everyone.
It honestly wasnt that crazy it was just very unfortunate that Hollins not only recovered the onside kick, but was able to take all the way down to the 3, if they recover and aren't able to advance further then we're really not talking about this play as much as the other factors that actually cost us this game
It was a good kick. How often do you see anyone run back an onside kick. I agree with the decision. 20-25 yards wasn't going to cost the Lions the game. They couldn't stop the Bills will all the injuries. But, they should never have to declare an onside kick. Change the rules.
If Andy Reed called that play in that moment, we'd all be looking to have a physician come in and check him for dementia. It was a reckless decision.
the lions are going to drop 60 on the bears
Pat knows the power of the onside. WHODAT!!!!
The chance of stopping them was higher than the Chance of getting the onside
Bills were up 35-14 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd....Sure Goff went off in garbage time, but MCDC knew they had a better chance of stealing a possession with an onside kick than the last 11 guys on their roster playing defense.
It wasn't a reckless call. It might sound reckless if you didn't actually watch the game. Detroit wasn't stopping the run, pass or anything else. This game was over when the Lions didn't capitalize on the Bills' missed field goal. The Bills were firmly in control of this game from the start. The onside kick didn't cost them the game. What cost them the game was an undisciplined defense who couldn't stop anything. The injury bill finally came due.
I would think it should not be hard to teach a RB to do a drag up the middle onside kick and have a bigger faster guy blow up the middle. Other crazy idea, what about a drop kick for kickoff?
That's as bad as not taking the field goal at San Fran last year.
We wouldn't have been in that game without the gambling. You can't celebrate all the winning and complain when things don't work. He gambled against the bucs and rams in the first two playoff games last year.
@@mattverville9227 It's more sad because if he just took the field goal you win that game. One of the dumbest decisions I've seen. And you won't be getting that close this year.
Feel like bill always says dan is wrong. So the fact that hes just mad at the rule tells me dan made the right choice.
with all due respect, what else do you expect them to do? the bills were scoring on every single drive, the lions couldnt stop them. so having that knowledge on top of knowing how injured the defense is as you said "everybody knows" what else do they do? if it worked, you wouldnt of called it reckless, you would of praised him just like last week when they went on 4th down to end the game. whos to say we kick the ball normally, give them the ball at the 30 and then they take an extra 3-4 mins that we could of used to get closer?
Well like clearly you do the onside with 6 minutes left instead of 10 and the Lions win the game guaranteed. Duh i mean come on any fool can see that. It was totally fine to do with 6 minutes left but not 10
As a packers fan I completely agree. The criticism is so overblown. If the lions tied it up last week and the Packers somehow marched down to score or won in OT the narrative on that 4th down would be completely different, and that was (I’m a lot of ways) riskier. Bills would have probably scored on that drive either way. Dan Campbell didn’t turn Detroit into a dominant team by being a poor decision maker.
@@shoesalad5180 Thank you for being a logical person. The onside kick narrative is so stupid. You need an extra possession somehow at that point
Talking about onside kicks and we don’t mention Younghoe?
They have 16 defensive players on ir. They couldn’t stop them.
It's just like pulling a goalie with 5 minutes left swinging momentum impossibly score
you shouldnt have to tell an onside kick is coming to the other team situational awareness understand the time and what's happening but having everyone on the 5 fucks it up. If the Saints tell the Colts they're onside kicking they might not win their super bowl...
💯 agree
Yes Campbells decision was reckless. But being behind two scores and the defense unable to stop Josh Allen the Lions had to steal a possession somewhere. Campbell wins way more than he loses
Those kinds of kicks are called grubbers. It's what we use in rugby.
you guys are forgetting something....without the touchdown the Lions GAVE to Buffalo, Lions win 42 to 41. Debate that.
The calculation is more like kick the inside kick vs like giving 30 yards to the offense. For Allen that's not really making much of a difference.
Hoping Lion's and Bill's meet in the Superbowl!😊
I didnt like it at the time but we were in the same spot at 8mins that we were at 12mins. And the bills burnt up 7mins with no problems. Anzalone and Hutch are a must to "contain" Allen. Its still a good year to be a lion.
They needed an onside kick either way… their defence couldn’t stop Allen, better to do it this way then let him take 10 mins off the clock.
people love creating doubt on Dan Campbell
2 weeks in a row with no faith in the defense, went for it on 4th and short last week, and the onside with almost 12 min left this week. It's official our defense is liability status now with the injuries. Goff has his best game of the year but it doesn't matter because we fell behind early, abandoned the run and failed to generate TO's which came easy early on. AG needs to realize this defense is stagnant and has to put his guys in risky positions especially in the secondary to generate TO's. If we don't generate TOs vs great teams we won't do much in the playoffs. We know the offense is contender caliber, but the D needs to find a way to at least be average when it comes to generating TO's.
goff “best game” was because they were playing catch up the entire game. he threw the ball 60 times
That failed onside kick killed the mojo and the momentum the Lions finally found. A terrible idea. They were just hitting stride and gave it away.
They couldn't stop Josh Allen all game. They were going to have to recover an onside kick eventually. Trying it early and failing makes the Bills score quickly rather than eating up all the clock like the Eagles did against the Steelers. It also basically guarantees the Lions will have another shot at an onside kick later if they manage to score again. It's extremely aggressive, but if it worked we'd all be calling him a genius.
❤ 💯 onside kick, to get the ball back or let Allen score anyway & run the clock out, Lions played good game Bills lookout
Say they kick it deep, Bills drive for 8 min and even if they only score 3 you are still down 2 scores with a few minutes left. If it takes you 2 min to score you have to do an onside there anyway.
Based on the way the Bills were driving and how many scores you need the onsides kick was going to have to happen anyway.
The defence was struggling so I gave them 67 yards for free. Makes sense
Ford field, the litter box, the lions defense is a bunch of house cats rubbing against your leg.
Its always the right call when it works and the wrong call when it doesn’t
You get it wrong a lot, you’re Brandon Staley, if you get it right you’re Dan Campbell
My biggest question is why did the NFL change the rules about onside kicks in the first place? If we want to take the unexpected out of the game let the offense tell the defense I'm doing this and the defense tell the offense I'm doing this? I don't know why Campbell went with that choice but when teams want to try something outside of the norm they shouldn't have to tell the other team what is about to happen? Can the kicking team tell them onside every time and boot it deep except that one time they short kick it as a way to skirt the rules?
because under current rules... players can't move until ball hits the landing zone or end zone, or opposite team touches it. So if you can't move until ball lands... how can either team attempt to defend or attack a surprise onside kick? Because they are so close as well... only 5 yards apart. Also, it is a flag if the ball doesn't land in the landing zone under normal kicks. So if you onside kick it and it doesn't land in the landing zone is it a flag? All the new kick off rules makes it pretty much impossible to do an onside fairly without announcing it before... and yes it is stupid. They never should have changed the kickoff rules to what it is now. If anything just move the kicker back 15 or 20 more yards from how it used to be so they couldn't just boot it out the end zone every time.
@@middleagedgamers7750 This rule needs to go away then?
@@220ox7 well yeah. It is a horrible kickoff rule. Go back to the old way. Make kickers start back another 15 or 20 yards than before if they are tired of it always going out the end zone.. or just make the ball start on the 30 or even the 35 if they kick it out like they do now.
@@middleagedgamers7750 Just leave the game alone and allow special teams to adapt to the fact that people can kick the ball further or the ability to target areas? QB doesn't get told well the middle is too open on crossing routes you can't throw there anymore? It's a stupid rule that the NFL messed with to take attention off of other scenarios?
When rules like these start getting messed with the league doesn't care about the kickers in this league. I'm old school let the kicker be the kicker? The QB doesn't get told you can throw a pass over this amount of yards or under? Why should a kicker endure the same?
Having to declare an onside kick is stupid but u can't really do 1 otherwise because they line up all the way down field
It ended up giving the Lions more time with the football. But to give the Bill that field position was not great. He would have been called a genius if it worked, so good on brand call from coach Campbell.
The Vikings are coming for that 1 seed
Dan Campbell is going to do something this stupid in the playoffs and the Lions will lose because of it and everyone will STILL go “Hey, it’s just part of his game, he gets a pass”
Why can’t both things be true? It’s Dan Campbell being himself, but also a bone headed decision. You’re only down 10. Why go for an onside kick that put them at the 5 because they nearly ran it back? There’s no reason to do it. It’s gonna cost the lions
When ur getting no type of plays out of ur defense and the offense is walking up n down the field without really any resistance, u try wild ideas ...thebills basically scored every possession it was clear that after the first half even with adjustments the lions didn't have enough talent to slow the bills down (lots of injuries played a role in this decision as well-for lil xtra context) i actually liked the call had we got it; it wld have been genius idk if anybody seen an onside kick coming atp my only gripe is the fact u have to announce ur going to attempt an onside pretty much negating all elements of surprise, id go as far as saying with announcing the kick ur heightening the defenses awareness if anything but that's y its a risk even if they just kicked it normally the bills were scoring in 3-4 plays each drive i seriously doubt it actually affected the outcome of the game other than giving slightly better field position for the bills who wld have more than likely scored regardless
It can be both. Last year Dan Campbell faked a punt on his own 30 and failed. This is how he plays
Injuries suck I feel for the Lions. As a Falcons fan I completely understand the fleeting superbowl windows
Declaring a onside kick the most asinine rule ever. If that was the rule going back 20 years. There might be a few different superbowl champions.
Would the Saints have won if they had to declare the onside kick. To start the 2nd half. That totally caught the kick receive team off guard. That play lit the Saints fire. The Colts made it a game. That onside kick is what won that superbowl.
Won't see that anymore
It’s hard for me to call these types of games the best of the year. Two sides of the ball. Both teams need to step it up on D if they want a Lombardi trophy
Not in the mood for it today boys.
Let's go buffalo 🐃 💙❤️😎🔥
I think the idea was that even if they kicked it off they were still gonna give up a TD anyways the way the D was playing. If they get the onside great! If they dont the bills will score in way less time leaving more time for the lions to mount a comeback. It almost worked too.
Lions' D was unreliable.
Bills' QB was going to score yet another TD, or at least a FG, if Dan did a regular kick to the Bills.
are you allowed to line drive an onside kick into the other team? just really tee off and hope for a deflection? never seen it done and have always wondered.
Was the onside kick reckless or Dan Campbell being Dan Campbell?
Yes
Campbell should have done another onside kick the next time he had to kick the ball, if he got that one he wouldn't have needed to try to do it with only 12 seconds left. And if he didn't get that one either it would have been a shorter field for Buffalo and they wouldn't have chewed up 6 minutes of clock time.