I’m glad Jeep and Toyota still offer the manual transmission. It’s sad that it’s become rare these days. Nothing beats a manual Jeep, even if the gear ratios are not the best.
They have had an issue with the manual transmissions in Wranglers (& now the Gladiators) that has the potential for, as they, the Jeep people call it in the recalls "catastrophic failure" since 2018 & has no "fix" just a patch. 4 yrs & they have no 'permanent' solution. Google it... I would prefer the manual but ended up with an automatic in my 2022 Gladiator Mojave
I have both a JK Wrangler and 80 Series Land Cruiser. Both manual. The 6 speed manuals in Wranglers are absolute dog shit. Worst manual car I've ever driven.
Weird. I'm a jeep tech and love driving these manuals. Yes at first they are tricky to learn. I agree that the new clutch feels much better. I've done a few of them. Also, the slave cylinder does reach a break in point of some kind. There was an old recall for the manuals where the slave had to be pump 50 times to improve the slave. You will experience the same where they improve their feeling over time. I'd recommend rev matching if you're experiencing some shifting difficulties. im currently saving up to get my own mojave. I want one soooo bad.
Agreed on the improved clutch/pressure plate and the learning curve, I absolutely love driving mine. Rev matching and down shift for crying out loud. I mean automatics downshift too, don't they haha. Good luck saving up, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
So I have an automatic Mojave and a 6M willys JL 2 door. Before I got the automatic gladiator I test drove it in manual and found the same gearing problem. 4th and up were barely usable. Now being in a manual 2 door it feels like Jeep used the same transmission for all 3 (JL, JLU, JT). It feels perfect for the 2 door willys because it’s literally 1000lbs less than the gladiator. I can pass people in 5th and 6th and so much more fun to drive.
That's good feedback. It makes me wonder if they had the gearing figured for the 2-door and just put the same unit in the JLU and JT because it was "close enough"?
I think so. Or maybe they designed it perfectly for the JLU because that’s their “flagship” product and then used it for all 3 platforms to save cost. Who knows, but either way the gladiator suffered. Sucks.
I never had a Jeep before and I just got a 2024 Wrangler sport two-door with a 6-speed manual took it for a drive with the salesman and killed it a couple times starting out in first. When I took it on the highway after I bought it sixth gear was so doggy I couldn't get going any faster to pass another vehicle it did finally pick up but I took forever. Thanks for the video I did learn a lot and I'm enjoying my Wrangler.
I really wish they would build a stout manual and put it behind the hurricane in-line 6 and offer it with the 4 auto transfer case and give it a comparable tow rating to the auto. I know it will never happen! We can dream though. I would be reving out the pentastar every shift if I had one with a manual. That engine makes all its torque high in the rev range. This was an excellent well informed review!
Thanks for the feedback! 🤠 I'm definitely revving the heck outta this pentastar daily... Especially today because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach! Stay tuned I'll have a video comparing towing with the auto and the manual. 👍
I waited 8 months for my 2024 MT. I hate the soft “video game-ish” feel of the clutch. It almost seems like it never grabs in the same place. …BUT I’d buy again, 10 times over an automatic.
Quite true, however regardless of value if wish to drive it for a very long time you will want a manual. Autos will never have the durability or capability
Weird. I have a 2005 TJ, first year of the NSG370 six-speed. Sixth is very much a usable overdrive, good for the highway. Fifth is for power or for going up long hills. Fourth is nicely placed between fifth and third. But first is super low, and you have to shift into second right away, and you gotta move the stick deliberately (but not quickly). The transmission is finicky and has weird quirks, but it seems to be geared differently than the NSG370 in your Gladiator. Also, I had the whole clutch mechanism replaced recently -- finally died after 18 years -- and it feels different now than is used to. Very light.
It is very weird. Gear ratios should be an easy thing to get right when you compare it to all the other little things manufacturers have to perfect on a new vehicle. Anyway, did you go with an OEM clutch or aftermarket on your TJ?
I actually don't know. It went out on the 29 Palms Highway, 4.5 hours from home, so I had the Jeep towed to the closest Jeep dealer (in Yucca). I assume they swapped it for an OEM clutch. I don't know how similar a new NSG370 clutch is to an new/old stock clutch for a 2005 TJ, but it definitely FEELS different.@@LookitThisReview
The 4.0 TJ's had 85% peak torque at idle. You cannot lug that engine, it will pull from 40 mph in 6th gear. I had a JK withe the same transmission but the pentastar engine. Great engine, but it is designed to work with the 8 speed automatic. New engines are simply not tuned for manual transmissions.
I just picked up my '24 JLUR 6MT in December and I love it! I'm glad they still offer the manual. Yes, the gearing is a little weird and the clutch is light. However, I didn't drive the pre-recall version so I don't know how much worse it was, only what I hear others say on the forums. I got one of the new assemblys from the factory. It can definitely be better between the gears but it is still a ton of fun to drive. Pretty similar to what you're saying with the gear selection vs speed. I only use 6th on the expressway at over 65-70 mph. I regularly use 1st-4th in town and 5th when I'm over 50-55 mph on our little highways. I also have the 4.10 ratio and from what I've heard, the manual is no fun with the 3.45 so I'm glad for that being another reason I ordered the Rubicon. It sounds like 4.10 is the minimum if you want to use all the gears. I love how this thing crawls in 1st gear though. I've had it offroad a couple times and can't wait for the next adventure.
I’m glad you posted this, I test drove a 2024 Rubicon today, and I took it on a short highway stint and shifted to 6th gear and had no acceleration, I had to downshift to 5th, and I thought something was wrong with it. I have a lot of experience with 5 speeds, and my only experience with a 6 speed was in a Subaru Crosstrek and I always used 6th gear on the highway, I may have to do another test drive, and make the adjustment, as I really want a manual again. Thanks and take care!
Back in 1972, I took my driver's license road test in a 1970 Datsun PL520 pickup. My first car was a 1969 Datsun 510. I have owned various cars and trucks with various transmissions over the years. My wife bought a 1985 Ford Ranger with the 5 speed. I found that once the manufacturers started putting ATF in the stick transmissions. The problems you describe started. I resolved those problems by putting in Mobil synthetic gear lube. The difference was amazing! Even though the Manufacturers did it for fuel economy, we picked up 2mpg with the synthetic. Friends and co-workers have resolved similar problems, by using synthetic motor oil instead of the ATF. I have used a blend of synthetic motor oil and ATF in transfer cases. I have a 2003 Ford Explorer 4wd with 227k miles, that I also put a blend of Lucas synthetic gear lube and the factory specified synthetic gear oil. The LSD grips better than new, with now rebuilding. I wanted to buy a Jeep Gladiator last year. I didn't see what I wanted, so I bought JLU Sport S Altitude with the auto. It was just before the strike, so I didn't want to order the perfect Gladiator with an unknown delivery date. None of the dealers in California had a stick one in stock. The JLU gets 27mpg on the highway with the taller ratio and 8-speed auto, at 65mph. Maybe next year, I will order a JT with 4.56 ratio and the stick. My wife seems to have taken over the JLU. We bought that tow behind her Ram 2500 4wd 6.7Lwith our camper on the back. I would buy the JT to replace my Ram 1500.
One thing most people don’t realize that I came across when looking at the Gladiator is the trans used is an Aisin D478. Aisin is pretty much a sister company of Toyota. Although the Taco uses a slightly different Aisin trans it’s also talked about poorly in regard to gearing as well. I wonder why neither manufacturer considered altering the gearing to better suit the engine combo.
YOU'RE RIGHT! I'm seeing a lot of people comment about the Taco manual being just as bad if not worse than the Jeep trans. I'm curious to know if the same people are behind the selection of ratios in both these vehicles. hahah
I had a 23 Taco Offroad stick. The transmission was the least of my concern. The engines lack of torque and hp made that thing miserable to drive. I thought the transmission itself was really good. I can't stand driving a stick shift if the engine doesn't have power.
its not all Wrangler and gladiators that have the clutch problem. several friends and family members have JL's that have manuals and theirs are fine. I think it was only a couple of years with the clutch issue, honestly i like the Aisin AL6 compared to the NSG370 that was in my 2015 Rubicon Hard Rock Editon. my only complaint is that I think first gear is way too low. the AL6 gear rations are 1st - 5.13, 2nd -2.63, 3rd- 1.53, 4th - 1.00, 5th - 0.81 - 19% overdrive, and 6th - .072 - or 28% overdrive and a 3.53 reverse. the old NSG370 was 1st - 4.46, 2nd -2.61, 3rd- 1.72, 4th - 1.25, 5th - 1.0- and 6th - .084 - or 16% overdrive and a 4.06 reverse. the first gear on both the AL6 and NSG370 is a little too low for my liking, i would have preferred somewhere around 4.2 - 4.0 :1 ratio. first gear goes too quick when turning a corner from a standing stop and you need to shift about 1/2-3/4 of the way through the turn. a higher ratio first gear would solve that. the 2-6 gears on the NSG 370 are about perfect, but i would have preferred a better 6th ratio around a .78:1. for better highway cruising. the 5.13 ration on the ALs is just way too low, and it a big jump from 5:13 to 2.62 for second. also, the double over drive is useless. unless you have rear end gears lower than 4.56. that said. I really like the AL6 its less prone to vibration and noise than the old NSG370. also, the 4wd lever is not part of the transmission. it is the transfer case. the NP231 and 241R used in the wrangler have always been hard to get into 4low. the key is following the proper procedure to shift into low. the proper procedure for 4 high is just grab it and pull it into 4 high, for 4 Low with an automatic transmission, is to have a slow roll
I have just over 75K miles on by 2020 JT Rubicon 6MT on 35s. In 30 years I have only daily driven 1 automatic. My cars have been a mix of VW GTIs (Mk 1, Mk2, Mk 5), '93 Saab 900, and a '03 BMW 325ix. My automatic was an 03 Land Rover Discovery. I know everyone's experience with their own vehicles are different. I have no problems with the JT6MT. On 35s 6th gear is too tall but I don't want to screw with my axle gearing. I will say that the spacing between 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 is high so I generally shift at something over 3K rpm. The light clutch helps a LOT off road, especially when reversing, because at least for me I can focus on the engagement point rather than holding the clutch in place. I think the linkages are fine. Its not a BMW. But its fine for a jeep, especially when pulling a trailer. I would totally get another one - long live the manual! Anyway, thanks for the video and for taking the time to create your content.
Hello and thank you for your comment. Sorry, one question: why you say you'd screw axles re-gearing? For the risk in case the regaring is not done properly? What gears are installed on your stock JT ?
I own a '20 sport s with 3.45 gear ratio MT. I wanted a JLR MT but couldn't get one at the time. I figured I would do a full axle swap with 4.88s when done paying. Within a few weeks of owning it I realized the gearing problem. I am still baffled how Jeep could get this wrong. It feels like the MT was an afterthought. Also, I don't understand why the MT would not come equipped with 4:11 ratio as standard equip. I am a fast driver and I find 6th is quite useless unless driving down hill on the freeway at 75+ (running 33s but hardly any better with stock tires). Why pump out a transmission with a useless gear?? Besides, all MT Jeep guys I know are very particular about their rigs. I don't think the engineers are in tune with the customer needs at all. I previously owned an '03 sahara 5spd with 4.11s. No complaints with that one. How can they go backwards?
It all comes down to fuel economy. The 3.45 can get better fuel economy and with the limited number of manuals sold the factory has less inventory putting out the same axle across the board.
You may be correct. At optimal conditions, it could possibly get better mileage. Under normal driving conditions, I highly doubt I get better gas mileage with 3.45s. Even the slightest gas pedal adjustment has the fuel economy meter go off scale because there is practically no torque in high gear.
I have a jlu with the manual. Personally i like how it feels and drives. The only thing i have a issue with is first gear. I wish it was just a little bit longer. I noticed im switching to 2nd in the middle of a turn from a stop. And with light off road i noticed im switching back and forth between 1st and 2nd more than i would like. If 1st was something like 5mph longer it would fix those issues for me Personally And i completely agree with the clutch issues. Mine doesn't have the recall done yet. The original pressure plate is WAY to light.
I'm glad someone posted about the gearing in the transmission. I bought a 22 Rubicon manual and couldn't take it after a month with the supercar gearing in 5-6th.
I just bought my wife a new 2024 gladiator rubicon 6 speed manual and she loves it. We are older and we prefer manual transmissions. Nothing against the automatics because they are nice to. I do agree that the clutch is a little tricky to get used to.
Every wrangler I’ve owned has been a manual. My 2021 JL is a manual. It’s a Toyota (Aisin) manual and I don’t mind the feel of it. My concern is its reliability and my recall notice keeps saying, parts not available. Hmmmm. I will say there’s a big difference when I switch between the JL manual and my TJ manual tho. Both my wranglers are Rubicons… their manuals are fine off-road. I did get criticism for stalling a stock rubicon on one of Colorado’s toughest trails (Blanca), but the gearing is fine off-road. The JL crawls better than the JK did.
The best mod to do for you would be 4.88 gears it’ll change everything. So on a Wrangler you can opt for factory 4.88 gears on the X package instead of 4.56 gears. In our jeep world standard transmission Jeeps always needed deeper gears than the 8 speed running 35’s or 37’s
Thanks for the feedback. I'd actually wondered about this! I need to do more research about gearing but I also haven't decided what size tires I'd like to upgrade to down the road.
The standard transmission because the gearing in it should have 4.56 axle gears to feel close to a 8 speed automatic with 4.11 gears. I love a manual transmission too my 1st Jeep was a CJ-7 5 speed
I agree. I just got 4.88’s in and it drives so much better and shifts so much better. I’m running 35 Mickey Thompson Baja boss A/T’s on black rhino Abrams
This is a well done video. Jeep engineers should see this. I thought about getting a manual to save some money but ended up with the automatic, glad I did after watching your video.
I appreciate the feedback! I'd buy it again only because I'm such a sucker for manuals, but like I said in the video... if it were a Rubicon I'd go auto! Anyway I think most people will find the auto far superior to the manual for everyday use.
Yeah, they could have done a little better with the gearing. However, keep in mind, 1, 2, and 3 are for your off road, get up and moving from a light gears. 4, 5, and 6 are your highway gears. I only see 5th when I get up to about 70-75 on the highway, otherwise it's 4th gear for me all day long around 2k RPM. The Jeep I picked up was a special order 2 door that the people never came and picked up. They requested shorter highway gears. 3 something. I'll be moving to low to mid 4's eventually.
I have 22 Willys JL. I've been reluctant to address recall on the clutch. I don't if it's me or the Jeep but whatever gear I'm in running up the tach if you short shift below 2k rpm it's poop but if beyond 2k it just seems the torque range changes and that's when 6 speed box makes the Jeep come alive. I don't know the specs on that but with 15k miles I better get the recall done, I haven't had any issue's with the clutch.
I have a 2 door ‘21 Sport and recently had a Centerforce clutch installed. My what a difference! That said, before and after that, my RPMs never went over 2500-3000. I was shocked to see yours up over 4000 going from 2nd to 3rd. Is that due to mine being lighter?
The only thing that will change revs on accel would be gearing. A lighter flywheel will allow revs to "zing" up faster but I'm probably just holding my gear longer is all!
I bought my 20 gladiator rubicon new. I agree that the factory clutch is a huge issue, it was one of two complaints inreally had. Its not just the clutch plate they use, its also they have a very nietrally balanced dual mass flywheel as well.. it was designed to be bias toward very smooth operation. 100percent take some of thisbyoutub money your cashing in on and buy either an ACT or centerforce clutch and promass fly wheel set up. I finally dug in and paid to have that installed a few months ago and hands down it fixed pretty much all my gripes with the clutch on and off road. That said, i don't think you really understand gearing based on this video. At least the gearing in the gladiator/jl trans. If i am understanding this video correctly,your complaints are primarily focused on 4 5 6 gears. 4th is a 1 to 1 ratio, so i am not even sure how jeep could "perfect" this one after 80 years as you keep saying 5 and 6 are both overdrives (which is my second complaint with the aisin d478 as i think 1 overdrive is enough). So neither gear is meant for getting up to speed quickly. If your slamming it into 6th at 70 woth that mojoave on 4.10 gears and 33s (assuming you havent regeared or gone larger on tires) then you are goingnto drop the rpms down to like 2k or lower, so again goignto bog the engine Also he 3.6 makes its peak power at 5k plus RPMs. I have found that i get better gas mileage if i let the roms creep up to 3k plus while accelrating befor shifting. Again look into the centerforce or ACT promass flywheels, they are pricey but if i could go back and make one modification day 1 that would be it.
You make a good point about 4th being 1:1 and being a moot subject, but that doesn't excuse the ratios bookending them. I do agree with you, 5th and 6th are probably the most perplexing ones in the 'box. A case could be made that 1st and 2nd are geared for getting off the line with loads and/or 'wheeling. Same could be said for the flywheel weight. As for peak power, the Pentastar has good low-end grunt on paper, with peak torque coming on in the low 2000s. Peak HP is a different story, way up towards redline. In fact, 90% of peak TQ is available from about 1800 to 6300 RPM which makes the lethargic nature of this engine with the manual even more confusing. I would certainly like to try a Gladiator with an aftermarket flywheel and see how it feels!
I totally agree. I have a 24 2 door manual. I feel the trans would be better for a diesel. If you look at the ratios 5th and 6th are both overdrive. 6th is .1 different from 5th
If you look at the actual gear ratios in the transmission it’s not that bad. First gear is a 5.13:1 and is lower than a lot of granny gears in older trucks. The axle gearing is where they went wrong. Having a light weight dual mass flywheel doesn’t help either with stalling. I chose to go with a heavy mass single flywheel while getting tired of waiting on a “fix” from Jeep and it makes a world of difference with low speed inertia and stalling.
I watched Carguy1999 Reviews on the manual Gladiator. He maintained 2500 rpm regardless of speed ( city/ highway). Engine sounds right at 2500. He reflects normal driving.
I never owned a Jeep before but I just bought a 2024 Jeep Wrangler sport with a 6-speed manual, and I haven't drove a manual in years. I installed it a couple times starting out in first but I'm getting better at it. Had it on the highway and 6 gear was so doggy I went to pass another vehicle and it took forever to get going but it finally got around them real doggy. So the video I did learn a lot thanks and I am enjoying my Wrangler.
I've got a JLU with a manual transmission. I'm with you in the gears could be better. With 4th gear being the 1:1 ration and 5th and 6th being overdrive they are stacked too close together. It would be better with 5th gear being the 1:1 and 6th being the only overdrive it give less spread in the lower gears. Better gear ratios in the axles would also help. The factory ones are there to try to get the mpg higher to avoid higher gas guzzler taxes. I'm looking at changing out the dual mass flywheel for one from Advanced Clutch Technologies single mass flywheel. It's a heavier flywheel which means acceleration will lag a little put it also allows better lugging. They also offer a reduced pressure over center spring that allows better clutch feel with the stock dual mass flywheel.
When I got my JKU I kicked around the idea of manual because I love the interaction. The thing that held me back was the reliability factor. The auto trans is pretty bulletproof doing water, mud, etc. where I heard that if water got on the clutch plate it will slip. Also clutch plates are a wear item, and need to be replaced when they wear down and slip. I sacrificed the fun factor for more reliability but I do agree with you, manuals are way more fun to drive.
I had an 1988 Jeep Comanche 4.0L 5 speed part time standard 4x4 transfer case. I know exactly what you’re talking about gearing wise. 5th gear was basically useless. It came with the 3:08 gears in the rear ends. And overdrive was if I remember correctly a 0.74 to one. 4th was 1 to 1. 4th and 5th were really bad for acceleration. 3rd was the best gear to use overall for around town get up and go. My favorite tire size to use was the 225/70R15 touring tire with an all season tread. (The tire size the factory put on the Comanche eliminator models.) I did not have a tach so I don’t know what RPM I was running in each gear. I know that today no self respecting Jeep guy will do it, but instead of running 34, 35 and 37 inch tires, stay in the 32 and 33 or even 30 inch tire size range and the responsiveness will be much improved with the manual transmission. Running the shorter tires is like changing the rear gears to a more reasonable ratio. And the on road steering sharpness and response will improve noticeably. I put close to 300,000 miles on my Comanche before I sold it. I ran it hard and put it up wet. I beat the tar out of it. I used it like a truck.and it held up well over all. The secret? Keep everything on it lubed up and take a reasonable amount of care and caution with how you treat it. Note. I literally tore the transfer case skid plate off of it. It hung down too low and was catching on stumps and rocks. Once it came off, I left it off because the Comanche had the extra frame rail box sections the XJ Cherokee did not get so the the transfer case was still somewhat protected and my break over ground clearance improved significantly. Both the front end and gas tank skid plates got used and protected the tank and front axle and steering. The exhaust was also up out of the way and was protected as well. The Comanche was a good truck. What hurt it was it was never offered in a stretch cab.
I have a 2021 gladiator sport and I have been having a blast with the manual. When it comes to the gearing I agree with you, but I really enjoy it because I just ignore the 6th gear and it reminds me of my old 90 Chevy 5 speed that I loved driving. I did learn a lot from you showing your shift points which is awesome because that's been the only thing I've been having a hard time nailing. Like you said I have been having to relearn everything I thought I new which I don't see as a negative just more to enjoy with my jeep.
I bought a manual Gladiator Rubicon in 2021. 68k miles. I love it. It’s not a sports car, it’s a truck. I have zero complaints with the manual except reverse. I feel I always have to give it a bit more gas. Getting the clutch replaced tomorrow under recall. I hope it’s not too stiff afterwards.
I totally agree. I ordered a new manual rubi in 21. Test drove it for a half hour. Came back to the dealer and said he'll no! Bought the auto again because I traded in my 2018 rubi auto and couldn't deal with that manual tranny. It makes the wrangler gutless. Even with the rubi gears. Wish I could drive a extreme recon rubi manual with the 4:88 gears. But the auto is just to good. I went from the 3.6 to the 2.0 turbo. And I like them both equally. Neither had e torque. Not a fan of that crap. Good vid.
Totally understand that. The auto is excellent with the Jeep and it's truly wild how different the transmissions make the pentastar feel in this vehicle! If you want a surprise though, I'm towing from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type and I'll have a video soon comparing the auto to the manual TOWING. 👍
Never drove a Jeep before ,but always had manuals vehicles. Last September I bought a Wrangler 2 door 6manual. Regret to not drive test the truck first, if so I will not have bought it. You are 100% right, the clutch is off but the worse is the ratio. I thought it would be better with a 5 speed. They kill the fun of driving the truck. Mine have a 3.45 ratio is even worse .Is still basically new ,with 5000km ,maybe the remedy is to change the ratio to 4.10 on both differentials. To spend 10 grand on all that work and hope that all that job is well done make no sense. What kind of Jeep engineers approve this performance ? Looks like I should have bought the Bronco , cannot have this major anomaly. After all these years of improving ? ? ? Disappointed Canadian in Edmonton
I have a 22 JT manual and I love it. 99% of my cars have been manual. I’m about to install the B&M short shifter on it next week and I’m really excited to see if it really changes drastically the feel. They say it’s 18% shorter throw.
The B&M Precision Shifter & The B&M Transfer Case Handle Are Excellent. 2022 JT Mojave Manual, I have had the precision short shifter for about 3500 Miles now, Clutch Replaced by the Dealership Recall at 40,000 Miles (I banged the Clutch 😂), got B&M Installed. After 3500 Miles with the B&M , It Doesn't Center Now , It stays in Left Center between 1 & 2 or Right Center Between 5 & 6. I have to Manually Push it to the center to shift to 3 from 2 or from 5 to 4. I don't know what the issue is , it started a Week Ago. The shifter itself feels firm, solid & short throws in each Gear.
Best summary of the Jeep manual I've viewed. The 2021 JT is the 5th manual transmission vehicle I've owned and yes, the most awkward. From a 1st gear that barely gets you moving from a stop to a 6th gear so tall that is only useful at highway speeds with flat terrain, it's puzzling. But, like the reviewer, I would do it over again. I haven't had the recall fix done as of yet, so my comments pertain to the original equipment. The best advice I could provide is to let the engine wind out. Hitting an on ramp at 35 mph in 3rd gear, accelerating to 70 mph at 4500 or so rpms before shifting to 4th is a blast. 3rd, 4th and even 5th gears are the sweet spots in the vehicle as long as the rpms are north of 2200.
Thank you! Curious, have you off-roaded yours? I just took mine to Arkansas this past weekend and it did far better than expected. I just uploaded a video in fact! Check it out and let me know what you think.
I completely agree. The ratios are not well matched out of the box. I think an axle regear on my Willys would help, but they should have selected better right up front. I also observed better fuel economy staying out of 6th on many trips.
I was at a CDJR dealer looking for Rams in Nov 2023 and they asked if I wanted to drive a new manual Gladiator to their other lot with the Rams. I found it very hard to get smooth shifts during the mile or so I drove the Jeep. I’m no rookie either with a manual but I was a tad nervous making a few hasty left turns in front of oncoming traffic. Actually was surprised they’d let a customer do this: might easily have stalled it and T-boned the salesperson in the passenger seat. I liked the truck a lot (better than the Rams) but found it way overpriced. I understand now the Gladiators are heavily discounted as they are over stocked.
Love my Anti-Theft Transmission, I agree the transmission is geared why to high 4-5-6, but still love it, learned on a stick, still have a stick on my 22 Jeep Willys 4dr.
I have Mojave 6spd and I love/hate it as well. All we needed was a good gear ratio for cruising and some grunt and a decent clutch to make it fun! Btw, have you driven a ACT or Centerforce clutch? Was wondering if it's worth the upgrade eventually. If I have to do it again, Id get an automatic base model or Diesel base and get a cheap Miata or GTI for weekends.
Great content. Just bought my first jeep 18 jlu. Haven't driven a manual since about 07. I thought i was just out of practice but you nailed everything i was ?ing. One thing ive learned in this short month of owning a manual jeep is that there's a lot to sacrifice but they are fun as hell! I actually enjoy driving again. I would say its like owning a motorcycle. You learn to deal with the cons because they're just so damn cool.
Glad to finally see some good discussion of the JL manual. Just got the 3rd recall fixed and now im having difficulty getting into first sometimes. Usually after putting it in 1st, then neutral, then back to 1st. Hopefully it just needs a little breaking in like your original clutch. Dealer is double checking the fix for me now. Love love love the JL manual. Absolute blast to drive.
Excellent video. You genuinely expressed my sentiments of my Jeep Willys 2 Door 6MT. Hopefully, it appears the clutch recall takes care of the vagueness of the clutch. Seems that is the general sentiment from what I’ve read of those who have had it recalled. As to the gearing, you’re absolutely right. But a Jeep is made for modifications and after putting on 35s I plan on re-gearing to 4:88, which in fact you can order stock nowadays. It will be perfect harmony. I love my 6MT and would do it again too.
Thanks for the feedback! Definitely get the clutch recall done - I promise it helps a lot! And stay tuned because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type! More manual Jeep content to come...
I modified my JT to make shifting more efficient. First, I installed the Corsa performance air cleaner so that I could hear the engine between shifts. Then I installed a 3/4 inch long pin (1/2 inch diameter) into the floor right next to the accelerator. My right foot then pivots off this pin instead of pivoting off my heel. I can modulate acceleration perfectly at my shift points. Now, I almost never stall when starting off in 1st or reverse. I shift at 3000 rpm mostly and cruise at 60 and above in 5th gear. All is well now, even without the recall modification. Oh, I average 22 to 23 mpg.
Great video. I have a 2022 Rubicon Unlimited and never use 6th gear on the road due to the lack of torque. I use 4th and 5th gear on the highways (mostly 5th). If you are going up lots of hills I either need to be in 4th or need to be going over 70mph. I had some of the problems you mentioned with the clutch take-up until I got used to it. I have driven only manual transmission vehicles all my life and currently have 3 vehicles (all manuals). The jeep is the most difficult transmission to modulate (haven't had the recall work done yet). I tend to give it more gas in 1st when I am taking off from a dead stop due to the possibility of a stall.
@@HikerAL1946 I appreciate the feedback. Have you done any off-roading or towing yet? I just posted my first video wheeling with this Jeep and I have a tow video coming soon! Curious to hear your input.
@@LookitThisReview Not yet. I bought the Rubicon since I thought it was the best looking model of the lineup and since it is relatively new I haven't taken it off road or towed anything yet. My son keeps bugging me to do so. Regarding the clutch/pressure plate recall - my dealer is fixing the Wrangler manuals starting with the oldest first. My year hasn't come up yet. Now that you described the changes you have seen after the recall fix I am looking forward to experiencing the difference.
Before I bought my current JL, I had a 15 JK both manual. The engines were the same 3.6 pentistar v6, I noticed the swift throws, clutch feel and transmission felt different. After a few days of driving the JL, I got used to the lack of clutch input. Now everything else feels heavy in comparison. Now I’m close to 50k miles and might upgrade the clutch to a stage 2 or 3 once the stock one wears out, luckily I haven’t had any issues. Would I buy another manual Jeep? Probably not. I love my Wranglers, I love the off roading community, and all of the after market support. When I pull up to a gas station and get approached by other Jeep enthusiasts it makes me feel cool. But it’s an expensive hobby to manage. Like they say J.e.e.p. really means Just Empty Every Pocket. Hell, if I had unlimited funds, I’d probably have a bunch of Jeeps to serve different uses. I’d probably daily drive a Grand Cherokee and trail my Wrangler on the weekends LoL!
Great input from someone with a JK and JL, thanks! Have you considered getting the recall done on your JL instead of going aftermarket? They'll replace the whole clutch.
I have a 2018 jlu sport s, with the upgraded rear axle and manual transmission. The original clutch was crap. A new clutch was installed under the recall and works great. However, what it really needs is the Centerforce dual friction clutch. Jeep really went cheap in this area, and the fix isn't much better. I would still buy a manual. The shifter is perfect. Been waiting for a video like this. Thank you!
On my 22 Rubicon JLU I could feel a mild grinding going into second gear all the time. At around 5k miles I replaced the manual transmission fluid with the full synthetic version, added half a container of Lucas Oil Engine Treatment, and filled it until it was dripping out. The shifting was noticeably better after that. And I can tell you that on the Rubicon JLU the gearing seems fine... other than the expected quick shift needed to get out of first gear, and I only use 6th gear when I'm going 68 mph or above. If I'm going 70 mph in 6th I generally don't need to downshift unless it's a steep hill... which seems reasonable to me. Otherwise the gearing is fine for me. Maybe the JLU is lighter than the Gladiators? And yes, the clutch is much too light for rock crawling... agree that maybe no manual in general if doing serious rock crawling.
That's interesting! I mentioned it to someone earlier that I will probably put BG products fluid in mine at some point.. curious to see if it makes a difference but I haven't had any shifting issues.
Spot on! I have exactly the same complaints about my '21 6MT Wrangler Sport with its 3.45 axle ratio. The ratios are bad, the clutch is soft with no feel, the transmission is quirky and the shift quality varies unpredictably (perhaps based on temperature) - and yet, it so often shifts solidly, gives me 20-22 mpg and when the shifts are smooth, it's an experience so beautiful that I would buy it again. No reconsidering that. Manual transmission all the way for me, even with its flaws and limitations!
Re-gear will change everything as mentioned below. There are few aftermarket shifter replacements that change the "feel" and will give you a better connection to the Jeep, maybe more of what your looking for. I am in line for the clutch recall. Glad you said you will notice a difference. Great video, and one thing I will say, Manual jeeps on the road are not as fun shifting as Z's, Challengers, or even Rams but as a JEEP it is a whole new type of experience. Never drove a tacoma with a manual, maybe there some comparison there?
The drop in rpm between the gears is the same after regear. That's another problem, losing 1500 rpms between shifts. This is absolutely exacerbated when towing against a headwind or uphill.
I have a '21 Mojave with the 6-speed and while I love it, you're absolutely right that 4th isn't an acceleration gear, 5th is a cruising gear and 6th is completely gutless.
I feel like to use 6th properly you need to be going 100+ mph 😅... Stay tuned because I'm towing with the Gladiator this week and I'll have another MT JT vid coming soon.
I just picked up a new 2023 Jeep Wrangler Willys with a manual. What I'm finding is that I never use 6th gear, even on the highway--I cruise in 5th. Jeep should of eliminated the 6th gear and put the reverse gear there. I think it would make every day driving easier. When I went back and looked: With my 3.6 I cruise at 70mph in 5th gear at 2K on the tach.
Agreed, I only use 6th over 70! I'm actually towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach this week and I've been in 4th most of the trip, but never once in 6th! Stay tuned I'll have a towing review soon!
Totally agree with your review. Fourth, fifth and sixth gear are redundant. I need to be at 80mph before i even think about sixth gear. I've driven many manual transmissions and i've stalled this 4 times already which is more than i stalled my Tremac GTO that i drove 300,000 miles. I thought it was me. Thanks for the video
Test driving JTs I was mainly trying to pick between Rubi and Mojave. Both met my offroad and practicality needs. I did not want to try manual as it is so obviously flawed on paper for all reasons you discussed. Settled on Mojave and was trying to find a lower optioned unit, so tried a manual. I was flat out emotional and giddy on MT test drive, in spite of issues. There was no option after that. MT is more of the charm that makes JT/JL special... still waiting for my recall though🔥
If you're happy with the pre-recall you're going to be stoked once the clutch is right! Congratulations on the Jeep, and I feel you on the "giddy" test drive! 😁
'22. Still no recall. Nice resonate rattle from clutch pedal at a certain rpms too. Nervous about recall as I have heard the cut some power, and I tow pretty heavy. 50000kms.
I'm considering to update my JK to a JL... but the more I dig into it, the more I'm changing my mind, specially if start calculating the amount of money to add over it to reach the same modification level.
@@LookitThisReview the basic to run 38's decently, just like my jku is now after about 8yrs building it. I'm running a dyna PR44u on the front, most likely something that I would not be able to do immediately on the JL, but re-gearing, and getting a decent lift to start, for sure, besides some minor things like lights, wiring, a vhf and there it goes. If you put on the calculator... perhaps a v8 swap will be a better option whenever my engine give up.
Thanks for this video. I didn’t want to have our recall done until I heard a review on the results. Our 2023 Wrangler is our first Jeep. We ordered it and our first drive was after we owned it. I was immediately disappointed in the clutch feel. We have the Sport S and the axles are geared too high with the 3.55 I think. 6th gear is useless below 70 mph. I’m thinking of a regear but with the wonky ratios I’m afraid I’d like it less. What axle ratio does the Gladiator have? Thanks, Dave
I currently own three manual transmission vehicles. I'd be buying the JT to pull a small camper trailer (teardrop type), would you recommend a MT for towing or go with auto?
That's a great question but frankly, I don't have a definite answer for you just yet! I've towed with the auto Gladiator before but we'll be making our first trip towing with the MANUAL truck next week - Kansas to Florida! Be sure to subscribe because I'll have a full video review comparing it to the AT Gladiator!
With the gear ratios from the factory you'll put a lot more wear on the manual than an automatic. That being said I do tow with the manual in my JLU, I just take it easy and watch my shift points.
Just bought a new jeep gladiator 2023........ "hot clutch warning"..... sooooo take that how you will, taking it to the dealer tomorrow.. I'd stay away from jeep if I can do it all over again.
Spot on review of the 6 speed. We just bought a 2024 Wrangler Sport with the manual. After only 3 days of ownership/driving the delta between 3rd and 4th is really noticeable and 5th/6th are for 70 mph and 80 mph highway cruising. Which, 80 is the speed limit on parts of I 90 out west. So, it does work, just had to change my brains previous manual trans (normal) shifting points. Progress?? 😂
Just my thoughts, if the gear ratios were closer I think it might affect the low range torque to where you may find yourself out of the torque band. It would be interesting to compare the rubicon to the Mojave due to them having different gearing. The rubicon maybe the one to get with the manual, and then get the auto in everything else since the gearing is taller, thus having the shorter ratios in the auto would make the drivability better.
Stick it’s a goofy set up, but with deeper gears… first becomes a granny first. You can start in 2nd and then use the rest of them as you’d like. The key is better axle gears tho
There are probably some class-action suits out there but honestly all CA lawsuits against car companies are nothing more than cash grabs for lawyers. FCA has addressed the clutch issue in full now with their latest recall, replacing the entire assembly and reflashing the ECU.
If you think the gearing is bad in your Jeep, you should try out the Wrangler Sport. Yours has a 4.10 final drive, but the Wrangler Sport has a 3.45 with the same gear ratios. 1st and 2nd feel "right" but after that, nobody is home. I noticed the gear ratios being trash way back in 2018 and I complained to Jeep, writing them a letter. They responded with the most generic excuse imaginable; I wish I had saved it. It's basically a 6 speed for marketing. 1st gear is super low for off roading capability, and 5th and 6th are geared where they are to game the fuel economy and emissions standards. Also I wanted to point out, as long as the engine is a port injected gas engine, it will be more fuel efficient to "lug" the engine in a higher gear. Now, I say "lug" in quotes, because what you typically think of as lugging is not actually lugging anymore. True lugging would be applying full throttle at idle speed, maybe even up to 1200 rpm. The reality of the matter is, if you log engine load vs rpm on a drive with one of the 8 speed 3.6L wranglers or gladiators, they are happy to apply a 93% engine load down as low as 1200 rpm on these engines, and 95% as low as 1800 rpm, which isn't quite full throttle, but it's darn close. The reason they do it is ... yeah, for fuel economy. As hard as it is for people to believe, it actually _is_ more fuel efficient to lug ("lug") the engine in 6th gear at 1200 rpm at 40 mph than to produce the same amount of power with less torque in say, 4th gear at 1700 rpm, though the difference won't be noticeable either way. The time when you really want to take advantage of the taller 5th and 6th gears is going slightly downhill with a tailwind. In that case, the difference is magnified. 1200 rpm at 93% vs 1700 rpm at 70% (yes, those are equivalent; even though the rpm is 42% higher, the engine load is only 33% lower, because the engine is now working slightly harder to pull in air and evacuate exhaust at 1700 rpm vs 1200 rpm) the difference in fuel economy would be a measly 6%, which is hardly 1 mpg over a very long drive. However, 1200 rpm at 50% load vs 1700 rpm at 39% is a 10% difference, which is much more appreciable, especially considering you won't be as likely to need to downshift to maintain speed on terrain where load is hovering around 50% vs. 90%
Hello, I have a JL manual as well. But do you hear a clunk once in a while after shirting from 1st to 2nd and sometimes 3rd on low rpm’s? It usually happens while taking off the load and reengage.
Thanks for this video, I have loved my 21' Willys JT Manual Trans but it took awhile to get used to for sure. I agree with you fully. The thing that won me over for good with a manual in 40k miles on my 21 Willys JT is that it has lasted through a lot of abuse. The flywheel still feels great after all the slippage off road and with the ratio gaps and traffic on road. In the beginning it was frustrating as I was being careful to not slip or ride the clutch. The light clutch-feel and missing engagement point, the right pair of shoes did the trick for me as well as sitting closer to the steering wheel.. took some getting used to but is appreciated off road. Going into 3rd has always had a clatter when clutching out during acceleration and it never liked being shifted hard into 3rd. I've learned to ease it hastily with some slippage to avoid the clatter.. likely the multi-plate clutch or backlash between the trans gearsets. Keeping the revs up is the way to go for sure. The engine is plenty strong IMO above 4k RPM. Would be nice to have the torque down low but the character of it is good and fun albeit peaky. It was a surprise to me as well regarding the fuel consumption when lugging. The ratios were questionable to me until I put on 35's and with the factory 3:73 gears and 2:1 T-case, I still manage very well. 4th is the new 5th! Ha I only use 6th on flat ground or downhill when trying to save fuel. Still fun, on and off road. Design-wise, I sort of excuse the ratio gaps. the packaging of the trans and the two shaft design separating the gear sets in order to keep the case shorter are causing the surprising feel between 3rd and fourth. I don't envy the challenge of engineering a manual trans for abuse on and off-road as well as fuel economy behind a fleet engine. Some pitfalls but the strength seems to be there. For what the JT really is, the ability to drive in comfort and be as capable off-road, still amazing with all of the pitfalls. Sometimes it feels like a hot-rod and the manual trans helps with that. It would be hard to beat all the fun provided in one package.
Great comment, thank you! That reminds me, ours clatters into third when letting the clutch out too. It appears to be normal but it sure does sound bad.
I keep wanting to buy a Gladiator Sport base with the crank windows and manual locks. There is no other truck with that combination like it and it won't be another. I should buy one while I still can just to experience it.
One thing I have learned is change the axle gears to match the tire size. It fixes most everything. 35’s need 4.56’s or 4.88’s 37’s need 4.88’s or 5.13’s and 40’s need 5.38’s. I for one care more about performance not gas mileage. Most don’t do gears so they don’t like the way the manual or automatic operate.
Yes. The MT is terrible with stock highway gears and 35's on base wranglers. Regear to match your tires and it is a brand new vehicle. I love mine--its the best manual I've ever driven, I like it way better than the 6 speed in the JK.
I found a manual, two-door with stock 33’s… but it has the 4.88 gear option. Is this a good set-up for me to do a MOPAR 2” lift, and swap to the 35” tires (on the stock rims)? THanks!
Is the recall actually available for replacement? I was told back in August that there still isn't a fix so there is no need to schedule a replacement.
They are releasing the fix in waves, presumably because the parts list is pretty extensive. Newest models first, back to older. If I recall correctly, older models could be 1-2 years out. What year is yours?
The last info I saw said: 2018 will be open starting 4/18/24 2019 open to fix starting 6/4/24 2020 open to fix starting 7/2/24 and 2021 start 8/1/24 @@andrewcasaday7218
I’ve still got my 2006 jeep TJ Sport with a 6 Speed Manual Transmission… I think that one was created by Mercedes-Benz under “Daimler-Chrysler”and it’s worked flawlessly… I’m still on the original clutch since new… Meanwhile, I just purchased a brand new 2024 jeep JLU, Rubicon, with an automatic transmission, and I’m regretting my purchase… It’s gonna cost me if I take it back to trade it in for a manual…
Having owned a lot of GTIs (I've owned over 20 Volkswagens over the years and worked for Volkswagen for ten years), they're obviously very different vehicles in a lot of ways however they're both fun and you can't go wrong with either! 😎
I test drove a 2018 JL 2 door Rubicon and I like the manual transmission. Didn't get it because my wife can't drive manual so I opted to get the auto. Although the automatic has a good reputation, I would have prefered to stick with the Manual.
I just bought my JL 2 door sport manual. Yes the fifth and sixth gear really lack of power but I still will buy the manual over the auto. Manual is what the jeeps all about.
i have a 6 speed JT Rubicon and i think i have her figured out this is it 1st and R hold the shifter on the gear with the clutch down till it goes in then in an off the line scenario goose 1st then go for second for a smooth shift and strong take off i haven't noticed the 4th,5th,6th just make sure about the speedometer and your over 2,000 on the tach if things fizzle out down shift and give it to her 😂
There should be a proper pairing with a manual transmission. It seems like truck engineers treat the manual as an afterthought rather than designing around them.
Is there a way of getting into the box and changing these gears? That is something that I was able to do on my old motorcycles, but I don’t know if on these new vehicles it’s even possible.
This sounds like Jeep tried to modernize the manual experience. Less feedback on the slave, allows for a more refined experience, cable shifter means less vibrations from the driveline. But also measn that the cable stretch a little, which I believe is what can be described as loosening up. I don’t agree with this philosophy at all, a manual is supposed to be more engaging, not less.
Do you get the warning for the clutch overheating while off roading before the fix? How about after? Man this open recall really blows. Have you checked with the dealership? So yours is fixed already? How did they notify you?
Alan, we bought in October and there was a stop sale. We had loaner automatic Gladiators for two months until the fix was finally released, and we picked out Mojave up from the dealer right before Thanksgiving! Ours was one of the first to have the recall done. They're releasing the recall in stages, starting with newest and working back to oldest I believe. If you go to the NHTSA website and do a recall search with your VIN, the recall will pull up and I believe the list is there with the expected release dates for all model years.
Great video. Currently drive a 2011 JK Manual. Been thinking about whether when I pull the trigger to get a new 2024 Manual or Automatic, but after watching your video I may have to go with the MANUAL no matter what. In fact, I may have to order it online since they usually don't have any at the Jeep lots.
I have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Sport S 6 speed manual on the train heading to me right now. Is it safe to run the transmission in a higher RPM? It's been over 14 years since i owned a manual.
Congrats on your new Jeep! Hopefully you got it by now. Anyway, it's totally fine to run any vehicle at higher RPMs the main concern will be loss of MPGs of course.
Thank u I needed ta see this. Jus tell me which one is I found a 2023 manual Wangler sport S 9K miles for 37,000 . But is it betta then getting a 2022. Cuss they look alike 😂 in I need help because I must have one dat is a manual they r fun.
1st gear ratio is terrible. Just not enough power and length to get off the line in everyday driving. Had I a second chance, I probably would have gotten an auto (and a diesel).
I think there were three total. Two on the flywheel before they finally replaced the whole thing, and one on the reverse sensor. Edit: I misread your comment earlier! You asked about the JK trans. I see it's a dig at my comment about it being "cheap" feeling. 😁 To answer your question, I don't believe the JK ever has a trans recall! There's something to be said for simplicity and "leaving well enough alone". 👍
I’m glad Jeep and Toyota still offer the manual transmission. It’s sad that it’s become rare these days. Nothing beats a manual Jeep, even if the gear ratios are not the best.
I agree! Midsize trucks and manual transmissions are a great fit.
They have had an issue with the manual transmissions in Wranglers (& now the Gladiators) that has the potential for, as they, the Jeep people call it in the recalls "catastrophic failure" since 2018 & has no "fix" just a patch. 4 yrs & they have no 'permanent' solution. Google it...
I would prefer the manual but ended up with an automatic in my 2022 Gladiator Mojave
@@davealin2431 false. The fix has been out since November. I talk about it twice in this video.
I have both a JK Wrangler and 80 Series Land Cruiser. Both manual. The 6 speed manuals in Wranglers are absolute dog shit. Worst manual car I've ever driven.
Weird. I'm a jeep tech and love driving these manuals. Yes at first they are tricky to learn. I agree that the new clutch feels much better. I've done a few of them. Also, the slave cylinder does reach a break in point of some kind. There was an old recall for the manuals where the slave had to be pump 50 times to improve the slave. You will experience the same where they improve their feeling over time. I'd recommend rev matching if you're experiencing some shifting difficulties. im currently saving up to get my own mojave. I want one soooo bad.
Interesting info. Thanks for the comment!
Agreed on the improved clutch/pressure plate and the learning curve, I absolutely love driving mine. Rev matching and down shift for crying out loud. I mean automatics downshift too, don't they haha.
Good luck saving up, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
So I have an automatic Mojave and a 6M willys JL 2 door. Before I got the automatic gladiator I test drove it in manual and found the same gearing problem. 4th and up were barely usable. Now being in a manual 2 door it feels like Jeep used the same transmission for all 3 (JL, JLU, JT).
It feels perfect for the 2 door willys because it’s literally 1000lbs less than the gladiator. I can pass people in 5th and 6th and so much more fun to drive.
That's good feedback. It makes me wonder if they had the gearing figured for the 2-door and just put the same unit in the JLU and JT because it was "close enough"?
I think so. Or maybe they designed it perfectly for the JLU because that’s their “flagship” product and then used it for all 3 platforms to save cost. Who knows, but either way the gladiator suffered. Sucks.
I never had a Jeep before and I just got a 2024 Wrangler sport two-door with a 6-speed manual took it for a drive with the salesman and killed it a couple times starting out in first. When I took it on the highway after I bought it sixth gear was so doggy I couldn't get going any faster to pass another vehicle it did finally pick up but I took forever. Thanks for the video I did learn a lot and I'm enjoying my Wrangler.
I really wish they would build a stout manual and put it behind the hurricane in-line 6 and offer it with the 4 auto transfer case and give it a comparable tow rating to the auto. I know it will never happen! We can dream though. I would be reving out the pentastar every shift if I had one with a manual. That engine makes all its torque high in the rev range. This was an excellent well informed review!
Thanks for the feedback! 🤠 I'm definitely revving the heck outta this pentastar daily... Especially today because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach! Stay tuned I'll have a video comparing towing with the auto and the manual. 👍
@@LookitThisReview have a safe trip! The pentastar will be living at 4K plus towing with the auto as well!
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Check this video on our sister channel! I hated towing with the auto! 😬
I'd would buy the manual no matter what. Jeep manuals will become collector's items people will pay $70k $80k for a clean manual used Jeep.
Man, let's hope so! haha
From your lips to God's ears 🙏🏽
In 50 years maybe. There's too many of them around to be worth that money.
I waited 8 months for my 2024 MT.
I hate the soft “video game-ish” feel of the clutch. It almost seems like it never grabs in the same place.
…BUT I’d buy again, 10 times over an automatic.
Quite true, however regardless of value if wish to drive it for a very long time you will want a manual. Autos will never have the durability or capability
Weird. I have a 2005 TJ, first year of the NSG370 six-speed. Sixth is very much a usable overdrive, good for the highway. Fifth is for power or for going up long hills. Fourth is nicely placed between fifth and third. But first is super low, and you have to shift into second right away, and you gotta move the stick deliberately (but not quickly). The transmission is finicky and has weird quirks, but it seems to be geared differently than the NSG370 in your Gladiator. Also, I had the whole clutch mechanism replaced recently -- finally died after 18 years -- and it feels different now than is used to. Very light.
It is very weird. Gear ratios should be an easy thing to get right when you compare it to all the other little things manufacturers have to perfect on a new vehicle. Anyway, did you go with an OEM clutch or aftermarket on your TJ?
I actually don't know. It went out on the 29 Palms Highway, 4.5 hours from home, so I had the Jeep towed to the closest Jeep dealer (in Yucca). I assume they swapped it for an OEM clutch. I don't know how similar a new NSG370 clutch is to an new/old stock clutch for a 2005 TJ, but it definitely FEELS different.@@LookitThisReview
The 4.0 TJ's had 85% peak torque at idle. You cannot lug that engine, it will pull from 40 mph in 6th gear. I had a JK withe the same transmission but the pentastar engine. Great engine, but it is designed to work with the 8 speed automatic. New engines are simply not tuned for manual transmissions.
@@charlestshiko1028 I agree with your comment for the most part, but this truck could have been made a lot more livable with a bit more R&D! 👍
I just picked up my '24 JLUR 6MT in December and I love it! I'm glad they still offer the manual. Yes, the gearing is a little weird and the clutch is light. However, I didn't drive the pre-recall version so I don't know how much worse it was, only what I hear others say on the forums. I got one of the new assemblys from the factory. It can definitely be better between the gears but it is still a ton of fun to drive. Pretty similar to what you're saying with the gear selection vs speed. I only use 6th on the expressway at over 65-70 mph. I regularly use 1st-4th in town and 5th when I'm over 50-55 mph on our little highways. I also have the 4.10 ratio and from what I've heard, the manual is no fun with the 3.45 so I'm glad for that being another reason I ordered the Rubicon. It sounds like 4.10 is the minimum if you want to use all the gears. I love how this thing crawls in 1st gear though. I've had it offroad a couple times and can't wait for the next adventure.
Congrats on the Rubi! I always wanted a Rubicon but I do love my Mojave. I will have to drive a Rubicon stick at some point for comparison!
@LookitThisReview thanks it's alot of fun to drive.
still like it? update on anything?
@@En1337Rich yep still in love
I’m glad you posted this, I test drove a 2024 Rubicon today, and I took it on a short highway stint and shifted to 6th gear and had no acceleration, I had to downshift to 5th, and I thought something was wrong with it. I have a lot of experience with 5 speeds, and my only experience with a 6 speed was in a Subaru Crosstrek and I always used 6th gear on the highway, I may have to do another test drive, and make the adjustment, as I really want a manual again. Thanks and take care!
Back in 1972, I took my driver's license road test in a 1970 Datsun PL520 pickup. My first car was a 1969 Datsun 510. I have owned various cars and trucks with various transmissions over the years. My wife bought a 1985 Ford Ranger with the 5 speed. I found that once the manufacturers started putting ATF in the stick transmissions. The problems you describe started. I resolved those problems by putting in Mobil synthetic gear lube. The difference was amazing! Even though the Manufacturers did it for fuel economy, we picked up 2mpg with the synthetic.
Friends and co-workers have resolved similar problems, by using synthetic motor oil instead of the ATF. I have used a blend of synthetic motor oil and ATF in transfer cases. I have a 2003 Ford Explorer 4wd with 227k miles, that I also put a blend of Lucas synthetic gear lube and the factory specified synthetic gear oil. The LSD grips better than new, with now rebuilding.
I wanted to buy a Jeep Gladiator last year. I didn't see what I wanted, so I bought JLU Sport S Altitude with the auto. It was just before the strike, so I didn't want to order the perfect Gladiator with an unknown delivery date. None of the dealers in California had a stick one in stock. The JLU gets 27mpg on the highway with the taller ratio and 8-speed auto, at 65mph.
Maybe next year, I will order a JT with 4.56 ratio and the stick. My wife seems to have taken over the JLU. We bought that tow behind her Ram 2500 4wd 6.7Lwith our camper on the back. I would buy the JT to replace my Ram 1500.
Sounds like a nice stable of vehicles you've got there! I think you're on the right track with the ratio change.
One thing most people don’t realize that I came across when looking at the Gladiator is the trans used is an Aisin D478. Aisin is pretty much a sister company of Toyota. Although the Taco uses a slightly different Aisin trans it’s also talked about poorly in regard to gearing as well. I wonder why neither manufacturer considered altering the gearing to better suit the engine combo.
YOU'RE RIGHT! I'm seeing a lot of people comment about the Taco manual being just as bad if not worse than the Jeep trans. I'm curious to know if the same people are behind the selection of ratios in both these vehicles. hahah
I had a 23 Taco Offroad stick. The transmission was the least of my concern. The engines lack of torque and hp made that thing miserable to drive. I thought the transmission itself was really good. I can't stand driving a stick shift if the engine doesn't have power.
its not all Wrangler and gladiators that have the clutch problem. several friends and family members have JL's that have manuals and theirs are fine. I think it was only a couple of years with the clutch issue, honestly i like the Aisin AL6 compared to the NSG370 that was in my 2015 Rubicon Hard Rock Editon. my only complaint is that I think first gear is way too low. the AL6 gear rations are 1st - 5.13, 2nd -2.63, 3rd- 1.53, 4th - 1.00, 5th - 0.81 - 19% overdrive, and 6th - .072 - or 28% overdrive and a 3.53 reverse. the old NSG370 was 1st - 4.46, 2nd -2.61, 3rd- 1.72, 4th - 1.25, 5th - 1.0- and 6th - .084 - or 16% overdrive and a 4.06 reverse. the first gear on both the AL6 and NSG370 is a little too low for my liking, i would have preferred somewhere around 4.2 - 4.0 :1 ratio. first gear goes too quick when turning a corner from a standing stop and you need to shift about 1/2-3/4 of the way through the turn. a higher ratio first gear would solve that. the 2-6 gears on the NSG 370 are about perfect, but i would have preferred a better 6th ratio around a .78:1. for better highway cruising. the 5.13 ration on the ALs is just way too low, and it a big jump from 5:13 to 2.62 for second. also, the double over drive is useless. unless you have rear end gears lower than 4.56. that said. I really like the AL6 its less prone to vibration and noise than the old NSG370. also, the 4wd lever is not part of the transmission. it is the transfer case. the NP231 and 241R used in the wrangler have always been hard to get into 4low. the key is following the proper procedure to shift into low. the proper procedure for 4 high is just grab it and pull it into 4 high, for 4 Low with an automatic transmission, is to have a slow roll
I have just over 75K miles on by 2020 JT Rubicon 6MT on 35s. In 30 years I have only daily driven 1 automatic. My cars have been a mix of VW GTIs (Mk 1, Mk2, Mk 5), '93 Saab 900, and a '03 BMW 325ix. My automatic was an 03 Land Rover Discovery. I know everyone's experience with their own vehicles are different. I have no problems with the JT6MT. On 35s 6th gear is too tall but I don't want to screw with my axle gearing. I will say that the spacing between 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 is high so I generally shift at something over 3K rpm. The light clutch helps a LOT off road, especially when reversing, because at least for me I can focus on the engagement point rather than holding the clutch in place. I think the linkages are fine. Its not a BMW. But its fine for a jeep, especially when pulling a trailer. I would totally get another one - long live the manual! Anyway, thanks for the video and for taking the time to create your content.
@@stevenreeves1394 I appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching! Long live the manual indeed!
Hello and thank you for your comment. Sorry, one question: why you say you'd screw axles re-gearing? For the risk in case the regaring is not done properly?
What gears are installed on your stock JT ?
I own a '20 sport s with 3.45 gear ratio MT. I wanted a JLR MT but couldn't get one at the time. I figured I would do a full axle swap with 4.88s when done paying. Within a few weeks of owning it I realized the gearing problem. I am still baffled how Jeep could get this wrong. It feels like the MT was an afterthought. Also, I don't understand why the MT would not come equipped with 4:11 ratio as standard equip. I am a fast driver and I find 6th is quite useless unless driving down hill on the freeway at 75+ (running 33s but hardly any better with stock tires). Why pump out a transmission with a useless gear?? Besides, all MT Jeep guys I know are very particular about their rigs. I don't think the engineers are in tune with the customer needs at all. I previously owned an '03 sahara 5spd with 4.11s. No complaints with that one. How can they go backwards?
The only Jeep engineer who knows how to drive the manual retired 5 years ago so nobody at the Jeep can test drive the manual. Why else? 🤷♂
It all comes down to fuel economy. The 3.45 can get better fuel economy and with the limited number of manuals sold the factory has less inventory putting out the same axle across the board.
You may be correct. At optimal conditions, it could possibly get better mileage. Under normal driving conditions, I highly doubt I get better gas mileage with 3.45s. Even the slightest gas pedal adjustment has the fuel economy meter go off scale because there is practically no torque in high gear.
The 3.73 like the diesel has would be better even than the 3.45 with a manual.
I'm curious to drive manual Jeeps with different gearing to see how they differ. If/when that happens, I'll do a comparison video!
I have a jlu with the manual. Personally i like how it feels and drives. The only thing i have a issue with is first gear. I wish it was just a little bit longer. I noticed im switching to 2nd in the middle of a turn from a stop. And with light off road i noticed im switching back and forth between 1st and 2nd more than i would like. If 1st was something like 5mph longer it would fix those issues for me Personally
And i completely agree with the clutch issues. Mine doesn't have the recall done yet. The original pressure plate is WAY to light.
I will tell you, that tall first gear is nice when towing! I experienced that firsthand recently!
I'm glad someone posted about the gearing in the transmission. I bought a 22 Rubicon manual and couldn't take it after a month with the supercar gearing in 5-6th.
I just bought my wife a new 2024 gladiator rubicon 6 speed manual and she loves it. We are older and we prefer manual transmissions. Nothing against the automatics because they are nice to. I do agree that the clutch is a little tricky to get used to.
The automatic is really great in these vehicles but the manual is fun! Congrats on the '24 Rubicon!
Every wrangler I’ve owned has been a manual. My 2021 JL is a manual. It’s a Toyota (Aisin) manual and I don’t mind the feel of it. My concern is its reliability and my recall notice keeps saying, parts not available. Hmmmm. I will say there’s a big difference when I switch between the JL manual and my TJ manual tho. Both my wranglers are Rubicons… their manuals are fine off-road. I did get criticism for stalling a stock rubicon on one of Colorado’s toughest trails (Blanca), but the gearing is fine off-road. The JL crawls better than the JK did.
Interesting! Thanks for the feedback!
The best mod to do for you would be 4.88 gears it’ll change everything. So on a Wrangler you can opt for factory 4.88 gears on the X package instead of 4.56 gears. In our jeep world standard transmission Jeeps always needed deeper gears than the 8 speed running 35’s or 37’s
Thanks for the feedback. I'd actually wondered about this! I need to do more research about gearing but I also haven't decided what size tires I'd like to upgrade to down the road.
The standard transmission because the gearing in it should have 4.56 axle gears to feel close to a 8 speed automatic with 4.11 gears. I love a manual transmission too my 1st Jeep was a CJ-7 5 speed
I agree. I just got 4.88’s in and it drives so much better and shifts so much better.
I’m running 35 Mickey Thompson Baja boss A/T’s on black rhino Abrams
@@niravsurati2905 awesome
This is a well done video. Jeep engineers should see this. I thought about getting a manual to save some money but ended up with the automatic, glad I did after watching your video.
I appreciate the feedback! I'd buy it again only because I'm such a sucker for manuals, but like I said in the video... if it were a Rubicon I'd go auto! Anyway I think most people will find the auto far superior to the manual for everyday use.
@@LookitThisReview Superior maybe, but not more fun :)
Yeah, they could have done a little better with the gearing. However, keep in mind, 1, 2, and 3 are for your off road, get up and moving from a light gears. 4, 5, and 6 are your highway gears. I only see 5th when I get up to about 70-75 on the highway, otherwise it's 4th gear for me all day long around 2k RPM. The Jeep I picked up was a special order 2 door that the people never came and picked up. They requested shorter highway gears. 3 something. I'll be moving to low to mid 4's eventually.
3.45 is the only available gear ratio for gas unless you move up to the Rubicon or Extreme Recon package on the Willys.
Great point. I actually towed with this trans for the first time last week and the ratios made more sense! Stay tuned I'll explain in a future video.
I have 22 Willys JL. I've been reluctant to address recall on the clutch. I don't if it's me or the Jeep but whatever gear I'm in running up the tach if you short shift below 2k rpm it's poop but if beyond 2k it just seems the torque range changes and that's when 6 speed box makes the Jeep come alive. I don't know the specs on that but with 15k miles I better get the recall done, I haven't had any issue's with the clutch.
Definitely get the recall done. It will drive better!
I have a 2 door ‘21 Sport and recently had a Centerforce clutch installed. My what a difference! That said, before and after that, my RPMs never went over 2500-3000. I was shocked to see yours up over 4000 going from 2nd to 3rd. Is that due to mine being lighter?
The only thing that will change revs on accel would be gearing. A lighter flywheel will allow revs to "zing" up faster but I'm probably just holding my gear longer is all!
I bought my 20 gladiator rubicon new. I agree that the factory clutch is a huge issue, it was one of two complaints inreally had.
Its not just the clutch plate they use, its also they have a very nietrally balanced dual mass flywheel as well.. it was designed to be bias toward very smooth operation. 100percent take some of thisbyoutub money your cashing in on and buy either an ACT or centerforce clutch and promass fly wheel set up. I finally dug in and paid to have that installed a few months ago and hands down it fixed pretty much all my gripes with the clutch on and off road.
That said, i don't think you really understand gearing based on this video. At least the gearing in the gladiator/jl trans. If i am understanding this video correctly,your complaints are primarily focused on 4 5 6 gears.
4th is a 1 to 1 ratio, so i am not even sure how jeep could "perfect" this one after 80 years as you keep saying
5 and 6 are both overdrives (which is my second complaint with the aisin d478 as i think 1 overdrive is enough). So neither gear is meant for getting up to speed quickly. If your slamming it into 6th at 70 woth that mojoave on 4.10 gears and 33s (assuming you havent regeared or gone larger on tires) then you are goingnto drop the rpms down to like 2k or lower, so again goignto bog the engine
Also he 3.6 makes its peak power at 5k plus RPMs. I have found that i get better gas mileage if i let the roms creep up to 3k plus while accelrating befor shifting.
Again look into the centerforce or ACT promass flywheels, they are pricey but if i could go back and make one modification day 1 that would be it.
You make a good point about 4th being 1:1 and being a moot subject, but that doesn't excuse the ratios bookending them. I do agree with you, 5th and 6th are probably the most perplexing ones in the 'box. A case could be made that 1st and 2nd are geared for getting off the line with loads and/or 'wheeling. Same could be said for the flywheel weight.
As for peak power, the Pentastar has good low-end grunt on paper, with peak torque coming on in the low 2000s. Peak HP is a different story, way up towards redline. In fact, 90% of peak TQ is available from about 1800 to 6300 RPM which makes the lethargic nature of this engine with the manual even more confusing. I would certainly like to try a Gladiator with an aftermarket flywheel and see how it feels!
I totally agree. I have a 24 2 door manual. I feel the trans would be better for a diesel. If you look at the ratios 5th and 6th are both overdrive. 6th is .1 different from 5th
Is it really?! That explains so much. 😅 Why even have sixth?! 🤷
@LookitThisReview yup
TRANSMISSION: D478 MANUAL, SIX-SPEED WITH OVERDRIVE
Availability: Standard - 3.6-liter V-6
Description: Synchronized in all forward gears and Reverse, multi-rail shift system with top-mounted shift lever
50% shorter throws
Gear Ratios:
1st - 5.13
2nd - 2.63
3rd - 1.53
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.81
6th - 0.72
Reverse - 4.49
Final Drive ratio - 3.45 standard, 3.73 optional (4.10 Rubicon)
If you look at the actual gear ratios in the transmission it’s not that bad. First gear is a 5.13:1 and is lower than a lot of granny gears in older trucks. The axle gearing is where they went wrong. Having a light weight dual mass flywheel doesn’t help either with stalling. I chose to go with a heavy mass single flywheel while getting tired of waiting on a “fix” from Jeep and it makes a world of difference with low speed inertia and stalling.
You're not wrong! I'd love to see what the flywheel does for this thing. I'm sure it helps, because I can feel that the stock one is a little light.
I watched Carguy1999 Reviews on the manual Gladiator. He maintained 2500 rpm regardless of speed ( city/ highway). Engine sounds right at 2500. He reflects normal driving.
At 2500 the engine still lugs, which is odd considering peak torque comes on under 2500.
2500rpm is exactly where mine feels right..Anything ove , the motor is revving super loud and Doesn't feel right at all@LookitThisReview
Exactly where mine shifts perfectly in every gear
I never owned a Jeep before but I just bought a 2024 Jeep Wrangler sport with a 6-speed manual, and I haven't drove a manual in years. I installed it a couple times starting out in first but I'm getting better at it. Had it on the highway and 6 gear was so doggy I went to pass another vehicle and it took forever to get going but it finally got around them real doggy. So the video I did learn a lot thanks and I am enjoying my Wrangler.
Glad the video was helpful! Don't be afraid to get it up into the revs or drop a couple gears to pass someone. You'll need to!
I've got a JLU with a manual transmission. I'm with you in the gears could be better. With 4th gear being the 1:1 ration and 5th and 6th being overdrive they are stacked too close together. It would be better with 5th gear being the 1:1 and 6th being the only overdrive it give less spread in the lower gears. Better gear ratios in the axles would also help. The factory ones are there to try to get the mpg higher to avoid higher gas guzzler taxes.
I'm looking at changing out the dual mass flywheel for one from Advanced Clutch Technologies single mass flywheel. It's a heavier flywheel which means acceleration will lag a little put it also allows better lugging. They also offer a reduced pressure over center spring that allows better clutch feel with the stock dual mass flywheel.
I'm seeing people saying the flywheel is helpful. 👍
When I got my JKU I kicked around the idea of manual because I love the interaction. The thing that held me back was the reliability factor. The auto trans is pretty bulletproof doing water, mud, etc. where I heard that if water got on the clutch plate it will slip. Also clutch plates are a wear item, and need to be replaced when they wear down and slip. I sacrificed the fun factor for more reliability but I do agree with you, manuals are way more fun to drive.
Stellantis is a clownshow. The 6spd manual I’m my 16 JKR is at 200k miles and still functions perfectly on the original clutch.
I had an 1988 Jeep Comanche 4.0L 5 speed part time standard 4x4 transfer case. I know exactly what you’re talking about gearing wise. 5th gear was basically useless. It came with the 3:08 gears in the rear ends. And overdrive was if I remember correctly a 0.74 to one. 4th was 1 to 1. 4th and 5th were really bad for acceleration. 3rd was the best gear to use overall for around town get up and go.
My favorite tire size to use was the 225/70R15 touring tire with an all season tread. (The tire size the factory put on the Comanche eliminator models.) I did not have a tach so I don’t know what RPM I was running in each gear.
I know that today no self respecting Jeep guy will do it, but instead of running 34, 35 and 37 inch tires, stay in the 32 and 33 or even 30 inch tire size range and the responsiveness will be much improved with the manual transmission. Running the shorter tires is like changing the rear gears to a more reasonable ratio. And the on road steering sharpness and response will improve noticeably.
I put close to 300,000 miles on my Comanche before I sold it. I ran it hard and put it up wet. I beat the tar out of it. I used it like a truck.and it held up well over all. The secret? Keep everything on it lubed up and take a reasonable amount of care and caution with how you treat it.
Note. I literally tore the transfer case skid plate off of it. It hung down too low and was catching on stumps and rocks. Once it came off, I left it off because the Comanche had the extra frame rail box sections the XJ Cherokee did not get so the the transfer case was still somewhat protected and my break over ground clearance improved significantly. Both the front end and gas tank skid plates got used and protected the tank and front axle and steering. The exhaust was also up out of the way and was protected as well. The Comanche was a good truck. What hurt it was it was never offered in a stretch cab.
I have a 2021 gladiator sport and I have been having a blast with the manual. When it comes to the gearing I agree with you, but I really enjoy it because I just ignore the 6th gear and it reminds me of my old 90 Chevy 5 speed that I loved driving. I did learn a lot from you showing your shift points which is awesome because that's been the only thing I've been having a hard time nailing. Like you said I have been having to relearn everything I thought I new which I don't see as a negative just more to enjoy with my jeep.
Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully the higher rev shift points help improve drivability for you as it did me. Enjoy!
I bought a manual Gladiator Rubicon in 2021. 68k miles. I love it. It’s not a sports car, it’s a truck. I have zero complaints with the manual except reverse. I feel I always have to give it a bit more gas. Getting the clutch replaced tomorrow under recall. I hope it’s not too stiff afterwards.
What are your impressions of the clutch after the recall compared to prior?
I totally agree. I ordered a new manual rubi in 21. Test drove it for a half hour. Came back to the dealer and said he'll no! Bought the auto again because I traded in my 2018 rubi auto and couldn't deal with that manual tranny. It makes the wrangler gutless. Even with the rubi gears. Wish I could drive a extreme recon rubi manual with the 4:88 gears. But the auto is just to good. I went from the 3.6 to the 2.0 turbo. And I like them both equally. Neither had e torque. Not a fan of that crap. Good vid.
Totally understand that. The auto is excellent with the Jeep and it's truly wild how different the transmissions make the pentastar feel in this vehicle! If you want a surprise though, I'm towing from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type and I'll have a video soon comparing the auto to the manual TOWING. 👍
The extreme recon automatic feels like it has some ballz...Love driving it
Never drove a Jeep before ,but always had manuals vehicles. Last September I bought a Wrangler 2 door 6manual. Regret to not drive test the truck first, if so I will not have bought it.
You are 100% right, the clutch is off but the worse is the ratio. I thought it would be better with a 5 speed. They kill the fun of driving the truck. Mine have a 3.45 ratio is even worse .Is still basically new ,with 5000km ,maybe the remedy is to change the ratio to 4.10 on both differentials. To spend 10 grand on all that work and hope that all that job is well done make no sense.
What kind of Jeep engineers approve this performance ? Looks like I should have bought the Bronco , cannot have this major anomaly. After all these years of improving ? ? ?
Disappointed Canadian in Edmonton
Sorry to hear that! It's frustrating for sure. Try driving it a little differently (revving it higher before shifting) and see if it helps!
I definitely prefer a manual transmission… See my remarks above, but it sounds to me like the manual transmission has become an afterthought…
I have a 22 JT manual and I love it. 99% of my cars have been manual. I’m about to install the B&M short shifter on it next week and I’m really excited to see if it really changes drastically the feel. They say it’s 18% shorter throw.
BTW great video. I still haven’t gotten my recall done yet. I’m on the waiting list.
I had a B&M on a VW years ago and it was awesome! I'm interested to know what you think of it. Thanks for the feedback on the vid!
The B&M Precision Shifter & The B&M Transfer Case Handle Are Excellent.
2022 JT Mojave Manual, I have had the precision short shifter for about 3500 Miles now, Clutch Replaced by the Dealership Recall at 40,000 Miles (I banged the Clutch 😂), got B&M Installed.
After 3500 Miles with the B&M , It Doesn't Center Now , It stays in Left Center between 1 & 2 or Right Center Between 5 & 6. I have to Manually Push it to the center to shift to 3 from 2 or from 5 to 4.
I don't know what the issue is , it started a Week Ago.
The shifter itself feels firm, solid & short throws in each Gear.
Best summary of the Jeep manual I've viewed. The 2021 JT is the 5th manual transmission vehicle I've owned and yes, the most awkward. From a 1st gear that barely gets you moving from a stop to a 6th gear so tall that is only useful at highway speeds with flat terrain, it's puzzling. But, like the reviewer, I would do it over again. I haven't had the recall fix done as of yet, so my comments pertain to the original equipment. The best advice I could provide is to let the engine wind out. Hitting an on ramp at 35 mph in 3rd gear, accelerating to 70 mph at 4500 or so rpms before shifting to 4th is a blast. 3rd, 4th and even 5th gears are the sweet spots in the vehicle as long as the rpms are north of 2200.
Thank you! Curious, have you off-roaded yours? I just took mine to Arkansas this past weekend and it did far better than expected. I just uploaded a video in fact! Check it out and let me know what you think.
I completely agree. The ratios are not well matched out of the box. I think an axle regear on my Willys would help, but they should have selected better right up front. I also observed better fuel economy staying out of 6th on many trips.
@@joshuawoodworth8914 odd that sixth gear actually hurts economy sometimes isn't it? 😑
I was at a CDJR dealer looking for Rams in Nov 2023 and they asked if I wanted to drive a new manual Gladiator to their other lot with the Rams. I found it very hard to get smooth shifts during the mile or so I drove the Jeep. I’m no rookie either with a manual but I was a tad nervous making a few hasty left turns in front of oncoming traffic. Actually was surprised they’d let a customer do this: might easily have stalled it and T-boned the salesperson in the passenger seat. I liked the truck a lot (better than the Rams) but found it way overpriced. I understand now the Gladiators are heavily discounted as they are over stocked.
Sounds like that one hadn't had the clutch recall done yet!
Love my Anti-Theft Transmission, I agree the transmission is geared why to high 4-5-6, but still love it, learned on a stick, still have a stick on my 22 Jeep Willys 4dr.
That's awesome. Taught our son to drive stick on this Mojave too!
I have Mojave 6spd and I love/hate it as well. All we needed was a good gear ratio for cruising and some grunt and a decent clutch to make it fun!
Btw, have you driven a ACT or Centerforce clutch? Was wondering if it's worth the upgrade eventually. If I have to do it again, Id get an automatic base model or Diesel base and get a cheap Miata or GTI for weekends.
I would love to drive one with an aftermarket clutch and/or one that's been regeared. Curious how much a difference it makes.
Great content. Just bought my first jeep 18 jlu. Haven't driven a manual since about 07. I thought i was just out of practice but you nailed everything i was ?ing. One thing ive learned in this short month of owning a manual jeep is that there's a lot to sacrifice but they are fun as hell! I actually enjoy driving again. I would say its like owning a motorcycle. You learn to deal with the cons because they're just so damn cool.
@@scratch_440 thank you! And I agree, with Jeeps (especially manuals) it's about tradeoffs and what you're willing to compromise. 👍
Glad to finally see some good discussion of the JL manual. Just got the 3rd recall fixed and now im having difficulty getting into first sometimes. Usually after putting it in 1st, then neutral, then back to 1st. Hopefully it just needs a little breaking in like your original clutch. Dealer is double checking the fix for me now.
Love love love the JL manual. Absolute blast to drive.
@@croberts97 thanks! How do you think the clutch feels now compared to what it did prior to the recall?
Excellent video. You genuinely expressed my sentiments of my Jeep Willys 2 Door 6MT. Hopefully, it appears the clutch recall takes care of the vagueness of the clutch. Seems that is the general sentiment from what I’ve read of those who have had it recalled. As to the gearing, you’re absolutely right. But a Jeep is made for modifications and after putting on 35s I plan on re-gearing to 4:88, which in fact you can order stock nowadays. It will be perfect harmony. I love my 6MT and would do it again too.
Thanks for the feedback! Definitely get the clutch recall done - I promise it helps a lot! And stay tuned because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type! More manual Jeep content to come...
Love the honesty. Do you think that you wanted it so bad you just completely ignored it didn’t shift well at before u bought it.
Yes 100% I was just like "Jeep + pickup + manual = SOLD" 😂
I modified my JT to make shifting more efficient. First, I installed the Corsa performance air cleaner so that I could hear the engine between shifts. Then I installed a 3/4 inch long pin (1/2 inch diameter) into the floor right next to the accelerator. My right foot then pivots off this pin instead of pivoting off my heel. I can modulate acceleration perfectly at my shift points. Now, I almost never stall when starting off in 1st or reverse. I shift at 3000 rpm mostly and cruise at 60 and above in 5th gear. All is well now, even without the recall modification. Oh, I average 22 to 23 mpg.
Awesome feedback! Very cool.
Great video. I have a 2022 Rubicon Unlimited and never use 6th gear on the road due to the lack of torque. I use 4th and 5th gear on the highways (mostly 5th). If you are going up lots of hills I either need to be in 4th or need to be going over 70mph. I had some of the problems you mentioned with the clutch take-up until I got used to it. I have driven only manual transmission vehicles all my life and currently have 3 vehicles (all manuals). The jeep is the most difficult transmission to modulate (haven't had the recall work done yet). I tend to give it more gas in 1st when I am taking off from a dead stop due to the possibility of a stall.
@@HikerAL1946 I appreciate the feedback. Have you done any off-roading or towing yet? I just posted my first video wheeling with this Jeep and I have a tow video coming soon! Curious to hear your input.
@@LookitThisReview Not yet. I bought the Rubicon since I thought it was the best looking model of the lineup and since it is relatively new I haven't taken it off road or towed anything yet. My son keeps bugging me to do so. Regarding the clutch/pressure plate recall - my dealer is fixing the Wrangler manuals starting with the oldest first. My year hasn't come up yet. Now that you described the changes you have seen after the recall fix I am looking forward to experiencing the difference.
Before I bought my current JL, I had a 15 JK both manual. The engines were the same 3.6 pentistar v6, I noticed the swift throws, clutch feel and transmission felt different. After a few days of driving the JL, I got used to the lack of clutch input. Now everything else feels heavy in comparison.
Now I’m close to 50k miles and might upgrade the clutch to a stage 2 or 3 once the stock one wears out, luckily I haven’t had any issues.
Would I buy another manual Jeep? Probably not. I love my Wranglers, I love the off roading community, and all of the after market support. When I pull up to a gas station and get approached by other Jeep enthusiasts it makes me feel cool. But it’s an expensive hobby to manage. Like they say J.e.e.p. really means Just Empty Every Pocket.
Hell, if I had unlimited funds, I’d probably have a bunch of Jeeps to serve different uses. I’d probably daily drive a Grand Cherokee and trail my Wrangler on the weekends LoL!
Great input from someone with a JK and JL, thanks! Have you considered getting the recall done on your JL instead of going aftermarket? They'll replace the whole clutch.
I have a 2018 jlu sport s, with the upgraded rear axle and manual transmission. The original clutch was crap. A new clutch was installed under the recall and works great. However, what it really needs is the Centerforce dual friction clutch. Jeep really went cheap in this area, and the fix isn't much better. I would still buy a manual. The shifter is perfect. Been waiting for a video like this. Thank you!
@@bobnoblesjr.465 That's awesome, I appreciate the feedback and insight! Thanks for watching.
On my 22 Rubicon JLU I could feel a mild grinding going into second gear all the time. At around 5k miles I replaced the manual transmission fluid with the full synthetic version, added half a container of Lucas Oil Engine Treatment, and filled it until it was dripping out. The shifting was noticeably better after that. And I can tell you that on the Rubicon JLU the gearing seems fine... other than the expected quick shift needed to get out of first gear, and I only use 6th gear when I'm going 68 mph or above. If I'm going 70 mph in 6th I generally don't need to downshift unless it's a steep hill... which seems reasonable to me. Otherwise the gearing is fine for me. Maybe the JLU is lighter than the Gladiators? And yes, the clutch is much too light for rock crawling... agree that maybe no manual in general if doing serious rock crawling.
That's interesting! I mentioned it to someone earlier that I will probably put BG products fluid in mine at some point.. curious to see if it makes a difference but I haven't had any shifting issues.
Spot on! I have exactly the same complaints about my '21 6MT Wrangler Sport with its 3.45 axle ratio. The ratios are bad, the clutch is soft with no feel, the transmission is quirky and the shift quality varies unpredictably (perhaps based on temperature) - and yet, it so often shifts solidly, gives me 20-22 mpg and when the shifts are smooth, it's an experience so beautiful that I would buy it again. No reconsidering that. Manual transmission all the way for me, even with its flaws and limitations!
@@SkandaTejasw I wish I was getting over 20mpg! 🫠
Re-gear will change everything as mentioned below. There are few aftermarket shifter replacements that change the "feel" and will give you a better connection to the Jeep, maybe more of what your looking for.
I am in line for the clutch recall. Glad you said you will notice a difference.
Great video, and one thing I will say, Manual jeeps on the road are not as fun shifting as Z's, Challengers, or even Rams but as a JEEP it is a whole new type of experience.
Never drove a tacoma with a manual, maybe there some comparison there?
The drop in rpm between the gears is the same after regear. That's another problem, losing 1500 rpms between shifts. This is absolutely exacerbated when towing against a headwind or uphill.
I definitely want to drive one with different gearing. I'm also trying to find a manual Taco for comparison so stay tuned! Thanks for the feedback. 😎👍
I have a '21 Mojave with the 6-speed and while I love it, you're absolutely right that 4th isn't an acceleration gear, 5th is a cruising gear and 6th is completely gutless.
I feel like to use 6th properly you need to be going 100+ mph 😅... Stay tuned because I'm towing with the Gladiator this week and I'll have another MT JT vid coming soon.
I just picked up a new 2023 Jeep Wrangler Willys with a manual. What I'm finding is that I never use 6th gear, even on the highway--I cruise in 5th. Jeep should of eliminated the 6th gear and put the reverse gear there. I think it would make every day driving easier. When I went back and looked: With my 3.6 I cruise at 70mph in 5th gear at 2K on the tach.
Agreed, I only use 6th over 70! I'm actually towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach this week and I've been in 4th most of the trip, but never once in 6th! Stay tuned I'll have a towing review soon!
Totally agree with your review. Fourth, fifth and sixth gear are redundant. I need to be at 80mph before i even think about sixth gear. I've driven many manual transmissions and i've stalled this 4 times already which is more than i stalled my Tremac GTO that i drove 300,000 miles. I thought it was me. Thanks for the video
Test driving JTs I was mainly trying to pick between Rubi and Mojave. Both met my offroad and practicality needs. I did not want to try manual as it is so obviously flawed on paper for all reasons you discussed. Settled on Mojave and was trying to find a lower optioned unit, so tried a manual. I was flat out emotional and giddy on MT test drive, in spite of issues. There was no option after that. MT is more of the charm that makes JT/JL special... still waiting for my recall though🔥
If you're happy with the pre-recall you're going to be stoked once the clutch is right! Congratulations on the Jeep, and I feel you on the "giddy" test drive! 😁
What year is yours? Did you get the fix yet?
'22. Still no recall. Nice resonate rattle from clutch pedal at a certain rpms too. Nervous about recall as I have heard the cut some power, and I tow pretty heavy. 50000kms.
I'm considering to update my JK to a JL... but the more I dig into it, the more I'm changing my mind, specially if start calculating the amount of money to add over it to reach the same modification level.
@@paulosouza3369 What all would you need to do to the JL?
@@LookitThisReview the basic to run 38's decently, just like my jku is now after about 8yrs building it. I'm running a dyna PR44u on the front, most likely something that I would not be able to do immediately on the JL, but re-gearing, and getting a decent lift to start, for sure, besides some minor things like lights, wiring, a vhf and there it goes. If you put on the calculator... perhaps a v8 swap will be a better option whenever my engine give up.
Thanks for this video. I didn’t want to have our recall done until I heard a review on the results. Our 2023 Wrangler is our first Jeep. We ordered it and our first drive was after we owned it. I was immediately disappointed in the clutch feel. We have the Sport S and the axles are geared too high with the 3.55 I think. 6th gear is useless below 70 mph. I’m thinking of a regear but with the wonky ratios I’m afraid I’d like it less. What axle ratio does the Gladiator have? Thanks, Dave
Hey Dave. Have you had the recall done yet? Ours is 4:10.
I currently own three manual transmission vehicles. I'd be buying the JT to pull a small camper trailer (teardrop type), would you recommend a MT for towing or go with auto?
That's a great question but frankly, I don't have a definite answer for you just yet! I've towed with the auto Gladiator before but we'll be making our first trip towing with the MANUAL truck next week - Kansas to Florida! Be sure to subscribe because I'll have a full video review comparing it to the AT Gladiator!
most excellent!
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With the gear ratios from the factory you'll put a lot more wear on the manual than an automatic. That being said I do tow with the manual in my JLU, I just take it easy and watch my shift points.
Just bought a new jeep gladiator 2023........ "hot clutch warning"..... sooooo take that how you will, taking it to the dealer tomorrow.. I'd stay away from jeep if I can do it all over again.
The 8 Speed Automatic, still allows you to manually select the appropriate gear as well…
Spot on review of the 6 speed. We just bought a 2024 Wrangler Sport with the manual. After only 3 days of ownership/driving the delta between 3rd and 4th is really noticeable and 5th/6th are for 70 mph and 80 mph highway cruising. Which, 80 is the speed limit on parts of I 90 out west. So, it does work, just had to change my brains previous manual trans (normal) shifting points. Progress?? 😂
Everything you said is spot on…2024 wrangler owner!!
Hey thanks! I guess I'm right every now and then! haha
The length of the higher gears have always been that way for Jeeps. 6th is pretty much useless... it seems not much has changed. Lol
"Tradition" haha
Just my thoughts, if the gear ratios were closer I think it might affect the low range torque to where you may find yourself out of the torque band. It would be interesting to compare the rubicon to the Mojave due to them having different gearing. The rubicon maybe the one to get with the manual, and then get the auto in everything else since the gearing is taller, thus having the shorter ratios in the auto would make the drivability better.
Stick it’s a goofy set up, but with deeper gears… first becomes a granny first. You can start in 2nd and then use the rest of them as you’d like. The key is better axle gears tho
I had the first year of the new body style with the manual, loved it.
I just saw something on a lawsuit regarding the manual transmission for these.
There are probably some class-action suits out there but honestly all CA lawsuits against car companies are nothing more than cash grabs for lawyers. FCA has addressed the clutch issue in full now with their latest recall, replacing the entire assembly and reflashing the ECU.
Been driving mine a month and you described it perfect. But.....manual all day long.
MANUAL CREW!!!! 💪😀
If you think the gearing is bad in your Jeep, you should try out the Wrangler Sport. Yours has a 4.10 final drive, but the Wrangler Sport has a 3.45 with the same gear ratios. 1st and 2nd feel "right" but after that, nobody is home.
I noticed the gear ratios being trash way back in 2018 and I complained to Jeep, writing them a letter. They responded with the most generic excuse imaginable; I wish I had saved it. It's basically a 6 speed for marketing. 1st gear is super low for off roading capability, and 5th and 6th are geared where they are to game the fuel economy and emissions standards.
Also I wanted to point out, as long as the engine is a port injected gas engine, it will be more fuel efficient to "lug" the engine in a higher gear. Now, I say "lug" in quotes, because what you typically think of as lugging is not actually lugging anymore. True lugging would be applying full throttle at idle speed, maybe even up to 1200 rpm. The reality of the matter is, if you log engine load vs rpm on a drive with one of the 8 speed 3.6L wranglers or gladiators, they are happy to apply a 93% engine load down as low as 1200 rpm on these engines, and 95% as low as 1800 rpm, which isn't quite full throttle, but it's darn close. The reason they do it is ... yeah, for fuel economy.
As hard as it is for people to believe, it actually _is_ more fuel efficient to lug ("lug") the engine in 6th gear at 1200 rpm at 40 mph than to produce the same amount of power with less torque in say, 4th gear at 1700 rpm, though the difference won't be noticeable either way. The time when you really want to take advantage of the taller 5th and 6th gears is going slightly downhill with a tailwind. In that case, the difference is magnified. 1200 rpm at 93% vs 1700 rpm at 70% (yes, those are equivalent; even though the rpm is 42% higher, the engine load is only 33% lower, because the engine is now working slightly harder to pull in air and evacuate exhaust at 1700 rpm vs 1200 rpm) the difference in fuel economy would be a measly 6%, which is hardly 1 mpg over a very long drive. However, 1200 rpm at 50% load vs 1700 rpm at 39% is a 10% difference, which is much more appreciable, especially considering you won't be as likely to need to downshift to maintain speed on terrain where load is hovering around 50% vs. 90%
Damn. Great comment! Thanks for that!
Hello, I have a JL manual as well. But do you hear a clunk once in a while after shirting from 1st to 2nd and sometimes 3rd on low rpm’s?
It usually happens while taking off the load and reengage.
Have you driven the new Toyota manual? I’d really like a comparison.
I haven't, but I've already contacted Eddy's Toyota to see if I can get my hands on one. Stay tuned. 😎
Thanks for this video, I have loved my 21' Willys JT Manual Trans but it took awhile to get used to for sure.
I agree with you fully. The thing that won me over for good with a manual in 40k miles on my 21 Willys JT is that it has lasted through a lot of abuse. The flywheel still feels great after all the slippage off road and with the ratio gaps and traffic on road. In the beginning it was frustrating as I was being careful to not slip or ride the clutch. The light clutch-feel and missing engagement point, the right pair of shoes did the trick for me as well as sitting closer to the steering wheel.. took some getting used to but is appreciated off road. Going into 3rd has always had a clatter when clutching out during acceleration and it never liked being shifted hard into 3rd. I've learned to ease it hastily with some slippage to avoid the clatter.. likely the multi-plate clutch or backlash between the trans gearsets.
Keeping the revs up is the way to go for sure. The engine is plenty strong IMO above 4k RPM. Would be nice to have the torque down low but the character of it is good and fun albeit peaky. It was a surprise to me as well regarding the fuel consumption when lugging. The ratios were questionable to me until I put on 35's and with the factory 3:73 gears and 2:1 T-case, I still manage very well. 4th is the new 5th! Ha I only use 6th on flat ground or downhill when trying to save fuel. Still fun, on and off road. Design-wise, I sort of excuse the ratio gaps. the packaging of the trans and the two shaft design separating the gear sets in order to keep the case shorter are causing the surprising feel between 3rd and fourth. I don't envy the challenge of engineering a manual trans for abuse on and off-road as well as fuel economy behind a fleet engine. Some pitfalls but the strength seems to be there.
For what the JT really is, the ability to drive in comfort and be as capable off-road, still amazing with all of the pitfalls. Sometimes it feels like a hot-rod and the manual trans helps with that. It would be hard to beat all the fun provided in one package.
Great comment, thank you! That reminds me, ours clatters into third when letting the clutch out too. It appears to be normal but it sure does sound bad.
yep, normal. Hasn’t gotten any worse but definitely caused me to adjust how i shift into third.
I keep wanting to buy a Gladiator Sport base with the crank windows and manual locks.
There is no other truck with that combination like it and it won't be another. I should buy one while I still can just to experience it.
DUDE I'm in!!! Base models are the best models! In fact this Mojave was as option-free as I could get it, intentionally. Go get that Sport base. 😎
One thing I have learned is change the axle gears to match the tire size. It fixes most everything. 35’s need 4.56’s or 4.88’s 37’s need 4.88’s or 5.13’s and 40’s need 5.38’s. I for one care more about performance not gas mileage. Most don’t do gears so they don’t like the way the manual or automatic operate.
Yes. The MT is terrible with stock highway gears and 35's on base wranglers. Regear to match your tires and it is a brand new vehicle. I love mine--its the best manual I've ever driven, I like it way better than the 6 speed in the JK.
I found a manual, two-door with stock 33’s… but it has the 4.88 gear option. Is this a good set-up for me to do a MOPAR 2” lift, and swap to the 35” tires (on the stock rims)? THanks!
Had one put 50,000 on my rubi in a year just ran it at hi rpm’s and it was a blast
There ya go!
By to a certain extent, running the vehicle in high RPMs, defeats the value of having a manual transmission… Your fuel economy goes out the window…
Do the 2024 manuals need the recall fix or are they good to go? Have they fixed the hot clutch issue?
'24s are good to go off the lot.
Maybe I missed it, what axle ratio does your jeep have?
The sixth gear is there to get the right number for the EPA in perfect conditions. Let's call it a five speed.
Is the recall actually available for replacement? I was told back in August that there still isn't a fix so there is no need to schedule a replacement.
They are releasing the fix in waves, presumably because the parts list is pretty extensive. Newest models first, back to older. If I recall correctly, older models could be 1-2 years out. What year is yours?
@@LookitThisReview I have a 21
The last info I saw said:
2018 will be open starting 4/18/24
2019 open to fix starting 6/4/24
2020 open to fix starting 7/2/24
and 2021 start 8/1/24
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@@LookitThisReview thanks I appreciate the info
Well done, thanks.
@@jonjansky thanks for watching!
I love the way my 2022 JL Rubicon with the original clutch shifts. You feel like you are part of the truck not just you are going along for the ride.
Sounds funny change to AMSOIL asap in the trans and tell me how much ya feel a difference bet it’s a lot
Funny you mention that! I'm a BG Products guy, and I will be changing the fluid to BG at some point. I already have MOA in the engine. 👍
@@LookitThisReviewI have a 2024 392 and changed to Amsoil after 500miles on diffs also
I’ve still got my 2006 jeep TJ Sport with a 6 Speed Manual Transmission… I think that one was created by Mercedes-Benz under “Daimler-Chrysler”and it’s worked flawlessly… I’m still on the original clutch since new… Meanwhile, I just purchased a brand new 2024 jeep JLU, Rubicon, with an automatic transmission, and I’m regretting my purchase… It’s gonna cost me if I take it back to trade it in for a manual…
I would buy my JTR manual over and over again. Never letting it go.
Great video! I love my manual JL. 6th gear is absolutely useless as you stated.
i had a 2017 jk manual and im torn between a gti or a 2 door JL manual
Having owned a lot of GTIs (I've owned over 20 Volkswagens over the years and worked for Volkswagen for ten years), they're obviously very different vehicles in a lot of ways however they're both fun and you can't go wrong with either! 😎
@@LookitThisReview thanks, ended up getting a better deal on the gti so went that route and a MTB, cheers!
Good Job, nicely done. There is nothing in the Jeep Class
Thank you! The Bronco is close... but still not quite the same.
I test drove a 2018 JL 2 door Rubicon and I like the manual transmission. Didn't get it because my wife can't drive manual so I opted to get the auto. Although the automatic has a good reputation, I would have prefered to stick with the Manual.
I just bought my JL 2 door sport manual. Yes the fifth and sixth gear really lack of power but I still will buy the manual over the auto. Manual is what the jeeps all about.
i have a 6 speed JT Rubicon and i think i have her figured out this is it 1st and R hold the shifter on the gear with the clutch down
till it goes in then in an off the line scenario goose 1st then go for second for a smooth shift
and strong take off i haven't noticed the 4th,5th,6th just make sure about the speedometer and your over 2,000 on the tach if things fizzle out down shift and give it to her 😂
There should be a proper pairing with a manual transmission. It seems like truck engineers treat the manual as an afterthought rather than designing around them.
Couldn't agree more. And it's so easy to get right, compared to other tech in the vehicle.
Is there a way of getting into the box and changing these gears? That is something that I was able to do on my old motorcycles, but I don’t know if on these new vehicles it’s even possible.
I don't believe so, but others have had luck changing the overall ratios in the diffs!
This sounds like Jeep tried to modernize the manual experience. Less feedback on the slave, allows for a more refined experience, cable shifter means less vibrations from the driveline. But also measn that the cable stretch a little, which I believe is what can be described as loosening up. I don’t agree with this philosophy at all, a manual is supposed to be more engaging, not less.
manual transmission’s at this point are a novelty to an earlier era. Fun to drive.
That's not a completely inaccurate take. LOL
Do you get the warning for the clutch overheating while off roading before the fix? How about after? Man this open recall really blows. Have you checked with the dealership? So yours is fixed already? How did they notify you?
Alan, we bought in October and there was a stop sale. We had loaner automatic Gladiators for two months until the fix was finally released, and we picked out Mojave up from the dealer right before Thanksgiving! Ours was one of the first to have the recall done. They're releasing the recall in stages, starting with newest and working back to oldest I believe. If you go to the NHTSA website and do a recall search with your VIN, the recall will pull up and I believe the list is there with the expected release dates for all model years.
@@LookitThisReview thanks I appreciate it
Great video. Currently drive a 2011 JK Manual. Been thinking about whether when I pull the trigger to get a new 2024 Manual or Automatic, but after watching your video I may have to go with the MANUAL no matter what. In fact, I may have to order it online since they usually don't have any at the Jeep lots.
I have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Sport S 6 speed manual on the train heading to me right now. Is it safe to run the transmission in a higher RPM? It's been over 14 years since i owned a manual.
Congrats on your new Jeep! Hopefully you got it by now. Anyway, it's totally fine to run any vehicle at higher RPMs the main concern will be loss of MPGs of course.
Thank u I needed ta see this. Jus tell me which one is I found a 2023 manual Wangler sport S 9K miles for 37,000 . But is it betta then getting a 2022. Cuss they look alike 😂 in I need help because I must have one dat is a manual they r fun.
Did you buy it?
I've managed to get my jeep to 34 Mpg on a 1 hour road trip at 55mph. Includes five red lights....mines a 2 door base sport though...
1st gear ratio is terrible. Just not enough power and length to get off the line in everyday driving. Had I a second chance, I probably would have gotten an auto (and a diesel).
It's awfully tall for sure. Then again, that's kind of a "truck thing".
Do the manual rubicons(better rear ratio) feel any better?
I don't know personally, but others have said the Wranglers with higher ratios feel worse. And some commenters have said swapping final drives helped.
So it seams like the manuals need a very aggressive final drive ratio.
How many recalls were there on the cheap JK manual transmissions?
I think there were three total. Two on the flywheel before they finally replaced the whole thing, and one on the reverse sensor.
Edit: I misread your comment earlier! You asked about the JK trans. I see it's a dig at my comment about it being "cheap" feeling. 😁 To answer your question, I don't believe the JK ever has a trans recall! There's something to be said for simplicity and "leaving well enough alone". 👍