| TRASH at Tier 10 | World of Tanks Modern Armor |
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Today I discuss the AVRE in @WorldofTanksModernArmor and I go over exactly why it needs to be nerfed. In addition to that, I throw in some changes that would bring some balance to the most broken tank in the game.
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I don't play ww2 because of the inane vision system. 38,000 games was enough. CW has its issues as well ,but the playing field is far more balanced with true vision.
I couldn't disagree more. CW is totally broken and WW2 still requires some level of skill. CW is just purely pay to win.
Spot on Riki, as a CW player myself this tank and the Taran are the main reasons why I don’t play WW2, oh and arty.
I'm not defending the AVRE by no means, but I did have a minor quibble about the clip you showed. It definitely is true that the tank is almost guaranteed to do damage with every hit, just like any high-alpha HE/HESH slinger, the typical hit from a "monkey" touching your armor anywhere would be 400-700 damage. The example shot was a penetrating shot to do 1300, so that player definitely knew your weak spot and aimed for and penetrated your cupola. I completely agree with your overall assessment of the AVRE, I just suggest that the example you showed was more the exception than the rule. Your Chieftain getting set on fire by an AVRE was a bit better example.
The shot hit and splashed off the spaced armour on the left side of the turret.
@@Rikitikitave Can HESH do full alpha on a non-penetrating hit?
As a 10 year ww2 player, the avre and taran made me quit the game. The avre needs the shovel removing, reduced hesh pen, and way worse reload and gun handling. Taran needs less camo and alpha dropping to 650, that way it still has its niche, a fast firing decent alpha td with 360 turret.. The current TD meta in which they can outspot lights and slap anyone for 1000hp is just trash gameplay straight up.
I can understand why it was enough to make you stop.
I agree there's a reason why I play cold war more is because I can play a heavy my armor works and means something unlike in ww2
Always remember no one ever played the taran when it first come out, until W.G buffed it, now look at it
AVRE is as toxic as the weasel tier for tier. I agree on your suggested nerfs, give it a weak spot or spots to balance the gun.
I didn't play tanks for 5 months after the AVRE came out.
Both the AVRE and Taran could play cold war era 1 or 2 and still be very strong. The problem with looking at the statistics of the AVRE is that a TON of new players got it with the season pass. They went in like bagels and STILL managed to pull 1 or 2k, which is NUTS. You put a noob in any tier 10 but that, and they will be lucky to get 1 pen before dying. The bad players have MASSIVELY tanked the stats. You put 3 1500-2000wn8 players in that tank and they push a flank? You die. Armor doesn't matter. You WILL be out-traded. You will probably bounce a few shots and the final damage would be 2 or 3 to 1 in their favor. My main issue is that it doesn't really have a weakness. It has the deathstar gun with an EIGHT second faster reload. It has EXCELLENT camo. It isn't slow. The ONLY negative is the gun depression, and any decent player can deal with that. Furthermore, the power of the gun and armor MORE than offset the lack of gun depression. I played 1 - ONE - game in the AVRE and sold it. I did over 6k damage with ease. It felt like I was playing a theoretical tier 12 against tier 10s. There was no counter. At MINIMUM it needs a reload closer to the deathstars. The whole POINT of derps is risk/reward. This list includes normal TD's for comparison.
FV4005 - Has a derp but is the size of a house and has 0 armor.
FV215b 183 - Has ok armor and an amazing gun, but doesn't have a fully traversable turret. If a light gets behind it, it's toast.
Sturmtiger - Just managing to grind out the Bar means you should be rewarded. It has no turret. The shell speed is INSANELY slow.
Caliban - Armor is bad and the reload is very long on the 2 shot. Not OP.
T110E4 - Definitely very strong, but you can get behind it and make it cry. Lower plate is weak, unlike AVRE.
T110E3 - No turret. VERY strong armor, but can be dealt with. Arguably OP, but DOES have weaknesses.
Waffentrager E100 - Has a giant 60mm sheet on it that gets smacked.
263 - Weak lower plate. No turret.
268 - Armor isn't great, no turret.
268 v4 - Has flat armor sections which are VERY weak to heat.
268 v5 - Armor is MUCH weaker than AVRE.
Foch - Armor is pretty decent. Lower plate is weak. Has a huge bar on top with no armor. No turret.
Type 5 heavy - TONS of flat armor pieces that are easy to pen and prevent sidescraping. Very slow. No camo.
114 sp2 - Armor is not great. Camo isn't great. Does WAY less damage than AVRE.
60tp - VERY strong heavy with heat that ammoracks ALL THE TIME. Pretty slow and often gets swarmed.
Ruthless - MUCH longer reload. Turret not fully traversible. Balanced.
Nemesis - Armor is NOT good. Shells get eaten by spaced armor and hits to sheridan seem to vanish. Not a strong tank.
This is the most comprehensive comment I've read on this topic. You've articulated everything I haven't been able to say.
WoT PC had similar issues with HE, and especially large caliber HE from "derp guns", but things got better when they changed the entire way HE works. The HE spammers didn't like that at all, though!
(and then the BZ-176 was introduced, which is both OP and Broken, even with the new HE...)
Yeah fully agree. The armour of a heavy tank(the bucket), the mobility of a medium tank, the firepower of a TD... It's essentially a mbt in thst regard, an all rounder that excels in everything. Remove the bucket and take away the splash damage and nerf the pen.
That all cried about the HARDCASE having armour like that and then they removed it and that’s only a Tier nine
Appreciate your hard work hope wargaming listen to you we all hate that AVRE 😂
I’ll be sure to mention it again when I see the devs.
@@Rikitikitave
Legend the game needs to start improving playing for 10 years it's in such a sad state all the best geez keep up the good fight
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It's important to have an analysis from someone who has experience and knowledge of the game mechanics, even though all of this has been submitted and ignored by WG for a long time. I hope this time it will be different.
I would like to suggest a new topic for future videos, we must have all noticed a huge difference in player skill when they enter Tier X matches. Many players are arriving at these battles without any knowledge of the game mechanics and this is frustrating for us "veterans" and certainly for them "newbies". What could be done to fix this?
Totally agree with you ! Amazing comment. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Good idea. The AVRE was introduced as a crutch for new players, not doing that anymore would be a good start.
I hear what you’re saying mate and yes it’s a b*tch when you’re confronted by one but just to play devils advocate here….isn’t it our job (the opposition) to find ways to defeat these behemoths like we’ve had to do with most other tanks within the game?
Every tank has its limitations and at least when facing the AVRE, if you can avoid getting belted by that gun then at least you could move into a more dominant position whilst waiting for its lengthy reload.
I suppose it’s akin to when the allies first faced a Tiger, they also had to find workarounds and a strategy to defeat what was once thought as an undefeatable vehicle.
Hope you’re doing well Riki, have a cool weekend.
My bat tank never attacked anyone head on. Avre was just one of many big mean tanks i could embarrass with speed
@@banzi403 exactly mate, it’s not easy sometimes but if as you say, you’ve got a fast tank with a decent reload time then there’s a way to play around them whilst keeping out of the firing line of their biggest asset.
I do get where Riki’s coming from when you’re trying to deal with one, hull down commanded by even a half decent player.
Very well put it is far easier to bitch and complain then to try and figure out how to beat it just like they did to arty
You are correct, however this case is similar to the FV4211. There are weak points but while you're busy trying to hit them you'll still lose 1300hp to a player that put no effort into learning the game or your tanks weak points.
@@Rikitikitave totally agree with that although in the case of a poor player, yes they could get a lucky shot but how many more of those realistically could they get whilst also displaying poor positioning and terrible decisions which a better player would exploit?
I think your point stacks up better when the AVRE is in the hands of a skilled player making the tank unplayable due to better play from strong map positions.
I played a game in that tank yesterday and did over 7k damage in it crushing tanks to easy.
It’s a ridiculous vehicle.
Its hull under the blade is so weak now and yes its dispersion is awful.
They say it wasnt nerfed but it absolutely was
AVRE is ok, np with it! It needs some extra love and buffs
ha ha ha 😂
@@Rikitikitave you just know that his will be the comment that WG will act upon lolz
@@The_Straightener
Use it as evidence they listened to the community 😂
@@Rikitikitave you know, we may joke about it now but…..😂😂😂
The gun depression on the AVRE is so bad I hate playing it. To me that balances it, sorry.
AVRE is a Derp tank with spaced armor on the front.
Systemically there isn’t anything wrong with it from a derp gun perspective and the HESH is historically accurate.
Systemically the spaced armor mechanics are probably too powerful against AP and APFSDS. If WG can make a systemic change to the spaced armor mechanic then balance of many tanks would occur across the entire game.
I like the camera view with the gun barrel in View, I play wotblitz and have 549 vehicles in stats, I'm a competent team player good in most classes of vehicles in blitz.
What doesnt make sense for me riki is how u find this tank broken and the fv4005 in era 1 you find it balance in the clip you showed at the begenning of the video you where in a bad position and u decided to peak lol so like you always said with the fv4005 if anyone gets it then it was because you where playing bad and not going where you are supose to go :)
4005 in Era 1 is easily countered by every tank in the Era. As I said, the Conqueror is a hull down beast, that's what it's known for. I was in a hull down position, peaking only slightly; not a bad play or bad position. None of that mattered though because the crutch tank is broken.
I hate the avre. I was in my IS 7 and an avre shot the ground underneath my tank penned me lit me on fire and took like 1500 of my health. I'm so done with it and the taran! I would love to play tier 8s again, but coming up against this thing I have to chance.
7:08 I’m at work but I still laughed pretty hard Riki 😂 damn those AV HESH rounds
I’m a 9 year vet and I simply don’t touch ww2 anymore . I find enjoyment out of era 3 Cold War . I don’t know why it gets so much hate
Era 2 needs some work but Era 1 is great.
Also this game you featured here had two ARVE’s, they combined for 0 kills and less than 4800 damage. These are the normal things I see from these tanks, or less! Yes on occasion one will get a big shot and ruin your game, Arty has been doing that for 8 years at a FAR higher rate than this ARVE has.
Have to say I believe what WG say about it as I can do the damage easy but getting the win it seems is hard just because of teams falling apart and the long reload, but playing the AVRE is only reason I play WW2 at all and it's the occasional game that is an easy 6-10k damage.
That fact that you are able to predict that is in my opinion the proof that this tank is broken.
@@Rikitikitave I agree, it is broken some what but the reload is long the turning rate is sluggish depending on the ground and armor is strong but people don’t seem to struggle with damaging me even from the front and arty is a killer for it.
If there wasn't big hitting tanks then the games would go on for 10mins or more how it used to be, WG introduced these tanks to shorten the game which equals more gold more money more silver spent
I challenge any player with over 20K games played to play the ARVE ten games, then do the same in every other tier ten medium and I believe they will have their worst average numbers in the ARVE. This tank is awful in every way but for the big gun.
That game was soooo much longer than era 3....
I feel like the game is being idiot-proofed by tanks like this, the 477, and so on. The past few months I've spent playing literally any other game have been significantly more enjoyable than the past few weeks after a friend convinced me to earn the Ignis Purgatio. Tactical knowledge has gone straight out the window and I haven't experienced more pain than trying to get damage over 100m away, when the winning strategy is just swarming an opponent, or trying to get kills only for my enemies to jump off the nearest cliff. Actual a g o n y
The AVRE, Artillery and just the way too many high alpha tds dealing 1k damage in a shot. It ruins all fun in the game
AVRE was one of many factors that made me play CW instead. Now CW is no fun, era 3 is era 3 and era 2 has become the exact same, brainless driving around and shotgunning with ATGMs which is the exact same thing that the AVRE does. No tactics just a merry go round
Thank you I second this and with the Wiesel
I see a serious problem with about 6-8 tanks (never made a definite list). Not more than that, and one of them was recently nerfed (Thresher), it might drop from the list.
Just yesterday I drove a Centurion 5/1, a very strong but conventional tank. The guy in the other team drove an Astron Rex. His "technique"? Drive up to me and clip me out. That's the main problem for me: Idiots in Tier 9.5 tanks are allowed to participate along tier 8 tanks, and because their brain is small they don't realize that the large numbers at the end is all the tank and not them.
Just tell them, everyone, at every opportunity you have. Be polite, but consistent. They nerfed premiums before and they will do it again if they have the incentive.
Agree... The AVRE is a pain in the neck. But so is the FV4005 and her sister. So is the Taran... And some others... All these are pain in the freakin neck and very annoying.
However, everybody has one of the above. I have 3 of the above and when I face foes for sure I don't mind deleting them with a shot.
No sir. For sure, a lot of players don't mind as well.
If WG nerfs these tanks, expect repercussions.
I think is totally unfair after foing through a lot of games and hassle to get this tank, and all of a sudden, one day, shooting an hesh round and only doing half of the damage.
My advice is: all and every tank in this game has advantages and weak points. Learn to explore those weak points and take advantage of them.
For sure you will overcome.
One last thing: the ops to get these tanks, usually are free and for everybody in this game. If a noob has an AVRE so does a veteran have one.
Aside from the Taran, the tanks you've mentioned have very obvious counters and weak points which is why no one has an issue with them. Having a tank like the AVRE in the game isn't really the problem, handing it out as a crutch to everyone is the problem. You want the AVRE? Earn it. If people cry about having their crutch balanced then that says a lot about the player base.
Don't know why WG doesn't rent tanks o. Playstation. This option would be nice for people to understand certain tanks.
@@Ace_Ventura_77 I'm not sure the question has ever been asked. I'll put it forward to them and see what they say.
Oh I hate that thing it pretty much destroyed my desire to play World War II mode, every time I played the tier 8/9 Tech Tree tanks I get dreped every time and this was about a year ago.
I've not played much tier 8 recently but if it ruins tier 10 then I cannot imagine how tough the stock tier 8 grind is now.
Win rate does not show how annoying and frustrating a tank can be when faced by other tanks.
Hvaing a lion live among sheeps is wrong, even if he can't eat more than 1 or 2 sheep per day.
FV4005, Fv4211, Objects 477, Wissel, AVRE and all these staffs should nerfed significantly to the point people not turn off the console or uninstall the game after facing them.
WG has to do something with HE splash it's stopped.
Oof that was a nasty shot by avre super fun tank and only tank that makes silver in teir 10
Great Video Riki. I agree with you 500% ! Everything you said is correct.
Tanks need to be real world stats and specs if the tank is that then nothing wrong with it!! Just as you said about the Bradley gun needs to be real world stats.
You can pen it from the frount mate it under the blade. Or the driver view point. Not hard to kill.
Same argument was made for the FV4211. Sure there might be weak points but hitting them is the problem. While you're busy trying to do that you'll lose 1300hp.
@@Rikitikitave when I play avre I get hit and loss hp a lot unless I go bull down then it’s hard to kill but I don’t get to pull 1300 hp shots off tho. It’s more like 768hp per shot
@@sammyleeom2262 760 is still pretty damn good for the tier.
@@Rikitikitave ya and very fun tank in my book. For me feels balanced than op. There are far more tanks that are definitely broken and you very rarely see it in teir 10 maxes unless playing avre or a platton is running them.
@@sammyleeom2262 Fun for you maybe but it destroys the game for so many others.
For me personally, the Taran is worse, with it's ability to outspot and absolutely blow your socks off. The Avre has poor gun depression, long reload and its slow. Its more the game itself that bugs me, molot,wiesel, ect ect, wargamings neverending hunger for more money is ruining the game, they are constantly releasing more powerful op tanks and just keep on raising the prices. Just fix the game please, fix matchmaking in ww2, tone down the insane amount of missiles and mario kart in era 2 and 3, make tech tier tanks worth something again
I personally think a quality of life update would do more good for the game than any new map or new premium tank.
@@Rikitikitave I'm agreeing with you 110%🙏🏻
They nerfed the deathstar and crapbarn but yet bring in these overpowered premium tanks!!! I hate wargaming!!
That thing just wrecks infantry in Warno! lol
This thing is honestly crazy, I have a game clip on my channel of me hitting 3 tanks in a row whilst i'm going full speed and also penning a 183 for 1300 at the same time whilst I absorb there round 🤣 maybe rng, but there has to be something in the hidden stats that allow that to happen.
From my experience, the game has auto targeting/magnetic shells.
I'm sure you have noticed someone driving past your aiming reticle in the distance that was unexpected and you have fired slightly late, but they were still inside the aiming reticle and the shell leads them and pens even though you have fired at their rear.
it should have missed. But it didn't, It's because anything inside the reticle the game can auto target weak spots and lead targets. That's why you and anyone can hit impossible shots.
How it gets turned on and why is the real question.
My theory is, it's to throttle the players and manipulate win rates and damage.
It's broken beyond belief
@@Rikitikitave there are a lot of things broken in the game, and a lot of secret RNG that actually isn't RNG.
I've played since it came out on the Xbox 360.
War gaming just needs to stop the throttling of the players with the crazy "RNG" and let us play. It's all too manipulated.
The only thing you have control of is your position, that's it. Anything you aim at that is inside the reticle, you have no control of of.
I agree 100% it has driven many players, like me away from ww2. Which is sad. I play occasionally,but it has ruined it. There are others also. The Rogal Dorn is pretty bad as well, but not AVRE bad. Then there is the ERA 3 disaster the Molot. It has driven me away from ERA 3. If WG intent is to drive players from the game they are doing a great job! I have over 60,000 games played on this game and the number of games I play now has dropped by ~70% because of this madness. I have put up with a lot of crap from WG but I am reaching my limit because the game is no longer fun. If they don’t fix this mess I, and many others will be gone and the game will be dead.
The sentiments shared here are echoed by so many.
You can put that Taran with that one.
AVRE and 477A(pre-He) are brainless tanks. At least in the Wiesel you need to take care of your driving.
All true, making the Wiesel less brain dead seems to have upset some people.
This is an everybody problem. Meaning your opposite on the red team is facing the same issue. I've never seen a tank that didn't have a weakness. OPP over powered premiums are a good thing. It gives casual players a fighting chance.
That's not the best reasoning for having broken vehicles at the highest tier. Casual play is what tier 4 and 5 are for.
Great video and so true.
So you brought up an issue about a broken tank that should probably be addressed and it sounded like you were met with gaslighting.
Direct Hit with that comment 👍
I hate playing tier 10 becauso of the AVRE
I feel you
I don't play CW because of all the stupid rockets no problem with Avre
To each there own. I think ATGMs take skill, the ARE requires the user to point the gun in the right direction, pull the trigger and 500hp damage falls in their lap.
The AVRE is garbage now
Enjoy your vids but the game, not so much.
Not quite the monkey analogy. That’s the Molot or absolution. The total lack of gun depression to the front limits its use without exposing its sides. There is an opportunity to outplay using this, I know that gun is a beast and totally frustrating but it also has limits. And there are few about nowadays because lots of monkeys cannot use it properly. It can be fun to play but I don’t feel dirty as I would in the absolution.
Nerf the crazy "RNG" and stop manipulating the game so hard.
Let players actually effect the outcome of a match instead of the computer desiding who wins. By selectively desiding who gets ammo racked or set on fire when it wants you to lose
Chop chop wargaming. You guys need this help, obviously you're too out of touch with reality. So listen!
Avre has ruined tier 10 games.
It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. The tanks been in the game for over a year. Your playstyle should have adjusted to compensate for it by now. Does it suck playing against them? Yes. Is it a broken tank? Absolutely. But so is the Taran. Or any high pen high alpha tank. You did make a misplay. You knew there was an AVRE on the enemy team, you should have known, as a "higher skill" player that he was going to take his tank one of 3 places on the map. Most AVRE drivers have a low wn8 and low win rate. They're incredibly easy to out play and predict in many cases. It doesn't matter how much we complain, WG will NEVER nerf a premium tank. So try this,
Improvise. Adapt and overcome. This said, the state of the game is pretty sad, but hey, no one is forcing you to play something you don't enjoy. Btw, there's also a co-op mode if you just want to play stress free....
The play style adjustment you're suggesting is one many people are doing. They're either not playing WW2 and switching to CW, or they've given up on the game completely and uninstalled. As far as, "I should have known", that's ridiculous, what ever crystal ball you're using be sure to share it with the rest of us.
Riki, you've got more than enough time playing this game. You have a full 10k+ battles over myself. I'm not saying you should sixth sense and know exactly where everyone one is. I'm saying, as a veteran player, as soon as you load into the map. Check the enemy line up. You should have a fairly good idea where certain tanks are going to be, barring the outliers like sniping heavies.
I have nothing against you bud, you make good content and bring up valid points I agree with. The point I'm trying to make, is WG won't nerf the AVRE. Its here to stay along with tanks like the 40k tanks, the Taran etc. WG has ways been extremely hesitant on nerfing premiums. I believe this is due to several countries laws regarding digital content and the potential of having to issue refunds.
@@JeffTheIceMan2010 In my experience you cannot tell what will happen until it does. You think the game is a loss, turns into a win, you think it's a win, turns into a loss (literally just out of a game I thought was a defeat and my team won).This game has taught me never to assume I know what will happen but I play based on what has worked for me in the past.
Premiums have been nerfed before and from what I've been told, WG uses content like this to know what premiums need to be looked at. Hence why I stick my neck out and make content like this. Some people don't like it and I'm pretty sure I've lost a few followers along the way.
Yeah but you're not thinking about the guy that landed the shot that took 1300 health out of you. He was having a great time. He was laughing and enjoying that shot which made him play an extra five games. There's two sides to that coin buddy
Not a great argument for defending a tank that was introduced as a crutch.
@@Rikitikitave oh I'm with you 100%. The introduction of these large alpha guns at tier 10 for non-experienced players is ridiculous. In order to get a big alpha gun you used to have to grind through the Death Star tech tree and survive the tortoise grind. Only at that point could you enjoy a large alpha gun that could eliminate a tier 8 tank with one shot. That was such a joy and you earned the right to be able to do that. Wargaming suck the fun out of the game when they Nerf the Death Star. The tank didn't deserve it because it was an already an Arty magnet and everybody shot at it. That was the balance and then they destroyed the gun and built a Tarran to take its place. Another tier 10 large alpha gun purchase that inexperienced players were driving but at least it didn't have armor. I feel your pain but there is a certain sense of satisfaction to lay a whopping 1300 on somebody 😂
@@WatchYourSix51 Oh there is without doubt but when it becomes that easy, it's meaningless and destroys the gaming environment.
I don't understand all hate that for AVRE. In this game, you just did auto aim and hit tank half map away. Monkey see, auto aim, Monkey shot, Monkey hit. Now try to do that with AVRE. What about players like me who don't spend any money, and so often I'm getting crushed by new premium tanks because people pay for it. I got AVRE only to get some fun back 🤪
After a few games where I'm in the middle and get crushed by all premiums, it's fun to pay some back 😂
Only my opinion 😊
The concern comes from a broken tank being handed out to every player as a crutch. The AVRE ruins games for those that have worked their way through the game only to be slapped by a freebie that takes little to no skill to use.
@Rikitikitave I'm let's say AVREage player. 😉 and I have played this game for a long time. My go-to tank was 60TP, not a bad tank before 6.0. Now, it's garbage like most tree tanks. I understand the frustration, but players like me who are free to play have no fair chance to compete with all these premium tanks. So we have a few powerful tanks like AVRE or DRAUGEN to enjoy the game. The game is broken anyway. There's no point in getting angry.
@@przemok7769 I am not in a position to accept the game is broken and not say anything but yes I hear your point.
Not quite the monkey analogy. That’s the Molot or absolution. The total lack of gun depression to the front limits its use without exposing its sides. There is an opportunity to outplay using this, I know that gun is a beast and totally frustrating but it also has limits. And there are few about nowadays because lots of monkeys cannot use it properly. It can be fun to play but I don’t feel dirty as I would in the absolution.