Vulgarity, The Death Penalty, And Jesus Was A Good Guy (Maybe) | Talk Heathen 08.06
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- 00:00 Intro
18:08 Jack-FL | Vulgar Humor Will Turn Away Questioning Theists
27:25 Howard-NY | How Can Atheists Be Against The Death Penalty?
46:31 Brett-MO | The New Testament Is A Good Moral Guide
1:08:10 Andrew-FL | Jesus Was The MLK Of His Time
1:18:16 Sam-(CA) | Non Arabic Muslim Kids Don't Understand The Quran
1:25:09 Ash-IL | Is There Life After Death?
#humanism #religion #inclusion
SHOW NOTES
Welcome to Talk Heathen! This week our hosts are Sydney Davis Jr. Jr. and ObjectivelyDan.
Jack in FL is an atheist and thinks our Talk Heathen To Me segment disrespects religion and may hinder someone's deconversion from theism. That's a valid concern. Some use humor others find vulgar to process their trauma and these comments come from our audience. We appreciate the feedback and will look into it.
Howard in NY wonders how atheists can be against the death penalty for murder, given the belief that this life is all we have, when other animal species eliminate killers. Humans have empathy and we can process nuance when it comes to murder. Killing someone for killing someone else won't help anything. Murderers should be punished, but death may not be the most humane way to get that justice.
Brett in MO claims the New Testament is a good guide for morality and atheism is just a subjective morality. Brett goes on to say secular morality is just nihilistic. There are different forms of secular morality and even if proven wrong, the New Testament doesn’t just get a pass when it advocates slavery.
Andrew in FL claims Jesus was the MLK of his time. Evidenced by Jesus' peaceful but revolutionary ideals. If these stories of Jesus were just fables that people learned from, there can be good there. We can’t give credit to what is essentially a cult leader. You can’t separate all the biblical baggage from Jesus’ teachings and just credit the good stuff.
Sam from Canada is an ex-Muslim and finds it kind of sinister that they teach young children enough Arabic to read the Quran but not really to understand what it means. He spent years learning Arabic but can speak it and read it aloud in class where the teacher just translates what it means. That is a good point to bring up given the prophet was famously illiterate. You don’t really find that in Christianity
Ash in IL is struggling with her beliefs about life after death after the death of a friend. There are many different views on afterlifes under the atheist umbrella. Sydney recounts her views, people cease to exist but live on through memories.
Thanks for tuning in! This week's Talk Heathen To Me prompt is: Why Are People REALLY Leaving The Church? Comment on this video and the top 3 will be read live on air next week!
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00:00 Intro
18:08 Jack-FL | Vulgar Humor Will Turn Away Questioning Theists
27:25 Howard-NY | How Can Atheists Be Against The Death Penalty?
46:31 Brett-MO | The New Testament Is A Good Moral Guide
1:08:10 Andrew-FL | Jesus Was The MLK Of His Time
1:18:16 Sam-(CA) | Non Arabic Muslim Kids Don't Understand The Quran
1:25:09 Ash-IL | Is There Life After Death?
Appreciate the time stamps!
Brett saying that the kidnapping verse is in reference to slavery is the same as saying you cant buy a car because it's illegal to steal a car
And the kidnapping for slavery verse is referring to a Jew kidnapping a fellow Jew and forcing them into slavery.
I appreciated the first caller’s respectful critique on atheist humor, but here’s my perspective… yes, he makes a point that it could turn some people away. However, being reverent of religion could also turn other people away. I came to TH because I was questioning my religion and was curious what a life w/o God/Jesus would even look like. I was a little shocked but also amazed that the hosts could make jokes and not be FEARFUL of the consequences. It was appealing and made me stick around.
Is it disrespectful? Yes. But what has religion or Christianity done to earn our respect? Many of us come from backgrounds where blind reverence to religion has actively harmed and traumatized us.
So if someone is more "turned off" by a bad joke about Jesus than they are about the number of CSAs covered up by the multitude of churches, I don't care if they don't want to hang out with me.
It's the kind of tone and respectability policing that keeps popping up in pride events. Like if we act good for the straights, maybe they will grudgingly not hate us. That's a them problem not an us problem.
25:27 While you do have to play 'shock-jock' game a little bit, I have to say I respect you guys a lot for not resorting to clickbait titles.
Any clips or calls you post on their own are (as far as I remember) always titled as a simple summary of the content of that call. Without naming names, there's plenty of atheist channels out there with videos named "Christian talks himself in circles" or "Deluded theist thinks his nephew was *miraculously* cured", etc.
So I guess to soothe ObjectivelyDan's worries - I think you guys are striking a damn near perfect balance between respect and ridicule.
I hope to be in a position soon where I can join your Patreon to support you more, keep up the great work! ❤
Brett called the atheist experience 7 years ago and got laughed at then as well lol
But he's not been a Christian that long, how ever does that work? It couldn't be a Christian lying for Jesus™ could it?
@@shanewilson7994 Fuck, that trademark is simply so righteous! Well done, indeed!
@@shanewilson7994 that's Brett Keane. One of the earliest youtube atheists and actually fairly big and well regarded back in the day, who fell on hard times and, according to his own words, became a Christian because when he asked for money, more money was given to him by Christians than atheists. He has made a career (not a successful one, but one nonetheless) of lying ever since. So yeah, nothing new here.
He has a grandiosity problem, it's impossible to take him seriously.
1:03:18 wow...i just fell in love with Dan after he told that caller to go fuck himself. And I've always loved Sydney but mad respect for calling that "influencer" out. And he proved her right as soon as they took him off mute.
Thank you 🥹🥹🥹🥹
That guy absolutely is going to go fuck himself, 100%. No other human being alive is gonna fuck that guy.
@@SydneyDavisJrJr omg I knew it was Brett at his first word. Same would happen with Darth Dawkins. lol
@@benkrapf Who is the Brett guy? I don't watch a lot apologist stuff.
Brett was allowed to string together unjustified claims without challenge. Interruptions need to happen as disagreement arises, mid-sentence if need be, else the interlocutor think his points stand.
Basically the tucker-putin "interwiev"
Wow! Sydney‘s Comments to the final collar were great
People are leaving the church because of the hard work and dedication people like you and me have put in to bringing logical arguments and nuisance to the conversation. Thank all of you for helping make a better world for the generations to come.
People are leaving the church because they have actually read the bible.
The road to atheism is littered with bibles.
@@doneestoner9945 Ah, "littered", what an aptly chosen, devastating adjective in this context.
That's why they can defeat theists' arguments with regard to scripture.
Sydney crushed Brett's 'soul.' Good on ya'!
Thank you! 😂
@SydneyDavisJrJr Now I feel like I've had contact with a celebrity!😁
@@SydneyDavisJrJr I find you a bit cooky, but your last caller advice was brilliant.
Callers of today are as follows...
18:24 Jack - Being disrespectful towards Jesus or theism in general might scare away potential atheists.
27:25 Howard - Why are some atheists against the death penalty while supporting evolution. (Also talk about passing on DNA).
46:32 Brett - The new testament is a good guide for morality.
1:08:22 Andrew - Jesus was the Martin Luther King Jr of his time.
1:18:24 Sam - Wants to talk about his experience as an ex-Muslim.
1:25:09 Ash - What do the hosts think about life after death?
Thanks for the call notes and time stamps!
You're truly doing the Lord's work (does he pay you? Or was there coercion?)
Why are there 2 of these? Yours and Tal Heathen's post?
@@kimsland999 the show runners often copy from the comments and pin to the description to make it easier to find.
@@KeatrithAmakiir Nope not copied, timestamps are seconds out.
So that's not it.
Yes Sydney! Putting the boots to Brett.🙌
🥾👢🥾👢
It really was amazing, I love that he started off lying about his past right off the bat, and pretended that people wouldn't know who he was.
He's got a very distinctive voice.
I love how Sydney equated death to going under anesthesia. It was my experience as well, you nod off then suddenly you are awake (although groggy) with no sensation of a passage of time. You aren’t waiting around in a black void going “are they done yet?”
My personal unscientific opinion is that we sense the passage of time based on the changes of our sensory input. Anesthesia blocks your senses from communicating with your brain, so once you die and your brain is no longer processing that sensory data, the universe ends (for you) and you along with it.
People are leaving the church because they just remembered their pornhub password
Now, I've simply gotta love this one, don't I?
Amazing opening
Brett, to say that Nietzsche was a nihilist shows that you actually need to read at least his essay On the Genealogy of Morality to understand that he was the opposite of being a nihilist.
Our relationship with others (friends, family etc) is mainly happening in our minds. When they are absent, it doesn't matter whether they are alive or dead, we will have a psychological relationship with our image of them.
This is a most interesting observation.
Objectively, I find you, Dan, quite erudite. And dear Sydney, you are the bomb! Glad I have found you.
JAck repeating that hes offended 3 times....
You missed his point dim wit. Maybe watch it again and get the nuance.
Good.
That was annoying.
And I didn't give a fuc* each one of those 3 times.. Who gives a fuc* if someone is offended for mocking his imaginary friend..
We need to work on a world where people aren't cancelled for offending someone.. The fuc*??
Brett attacking non objective morality while also specifying the morality of the NT is just not being self aware
People are leaving the church because the Vatican suddenly moved them somewhere that has no extradition agreement.
Love the intros. Maybe not nesseserality from a specific host or co host. But the overall effect, for me, is great!
Wait, is this "Brett Keane" Brett?
YES LOL
HIS HAND HOLES!! 🤣🤣 I said last week that should’ve been number 1!!! Atleast it made the list, first caller was butthurt by it, but that is hilarious.
People are leaving the church because they're seeking a more ethical way to spend their time and money.
That and people are probably realizing that people thousands of years ago were prone to error.
People leaving the church because of politics.
The god of the christian nationals and their republican bed partners. The spreading of hate, lies, fear mongering, attacking groups of people (like LGBTQ, inigrants) just to divide the people so the citizens don't unite and keep everybody distracted from actual issues.
Is a god that I want nothing to do with.
P.S. I would love to spend time with you both. I will bet it would be great fun!
People are leaving the church due to their increasing discomfort at being affiliated with an organization that celebrates its sadism by hanging humiliating images of a tortured lifeless corpse as adornment.
Religion provides comfort. I get it. Some people need to believe that they will see loved ones again. I know I will never see my Dad again and 13 years later I still tear up thinking of him. But I know that all I have are the memories and things left behind. And I am okay with it.
I just creeped Brett Keane's channel and he's got an impressive following. Of the dozens of videos, at least one was viewed a thousand times. Several of them have almost a hundred views!!! Shockingly little change since when I visited years ago in response to his embarrassing stumble through Ben, Arden, Matt and Jimmy (christmas 2022?)
Jack has a point. People get offended.
Next!
Yeah.. He’s offended by COMMENTS.. nice of him to try to gatekeep free speech and freedom FROM religion. Why doesn’t he take some of that energy and go to Xian call in shows and address the INSULTS and actual vile Accusations they make against atheists who actually exist??
Dim wit....jack exposed an idea that should be brought up on occasion.....these shows are often more about views than substance. The hosts admitted as much.
It reminds people like you to get off the internet on occasion.
Indeed, Jack is right, there will be some people who will get offended. I get offended by Christians getting abusive toward unmarried couples, queer folk in relationships, and people having abortions. I don't however get offended if Creationists choose to make videos to laugh at scientists who demonstrate the earth to be significantly more than ten thousand years old, I simply chuckle at their viewpoint. Some Christians are happy to disrespect science and the important discoveries made through it's application, some atheists are happy to disrespect Christianity, and the harm that it does. I really dont see a problem, I guess you don't either. Though I see a reply to you who interprets your comment differently.
Everyone please pay attention - 30yearsoldiam1 exposed his inability to make an honest argument without engaging in name calling.
Next!
@@Mxxx-ii9bu Re: "... exposed his inability to make an honest argument... " I think their comment was 'honest' though I do feel that processing your comment with sound cognition, and applying an appreciation of language comprehension was not their strong suit. I did smile when they said *"....these shows are often more about views than substance. The hosts admitted as much."* I guess I missed the part where "... The hosts admitted as much."
The conversation about death sums up my feelings exactly. It's not infinate blackness it is a complete ceasing to exist I know because I was in a coma for 18 days ,when I woke up and to this day I have no recclection of these days. Had I not recovered I would simply have had no reccolection of anything ever again. That is far less scary than either eternal good or bad afterlife.
I'm sure a theist will tell you that your soul never left your body, so ya don't know fer sure, hehe.
@briannewton3535 There is no end to the shit beleivers make up to justify their insane fantasy is there. I tried to argue with a Christian friend once it was like debating a brick 😅
@@martinchatterton3558 I enjoy engaging with Christians on UA-cam. I know very few in the real world. All my friends (bar one), and most if not all previous work colleagues were not religious that I was aware of, so never really get to chat with theists, though specifically Christians I suppose. I'm in the UK, Christians are now in the minority. fewer than 50% of the UK population consider themselves Christian as per the government census three years ago. Though yes, I guess it can be frustrating. I simply ask questions. The best one I like to ask is "what is your *good* reason that you had to come to believe that your particular god exists?" I have yet to find that any have a good reason. Usually a feeling, or an 'experience' is the best they can offer.
@briannewton3535 I'm in the UK too and other than our idiotic royal family, Christianity is on its last legs. The problem is too much deference is shown to a far more problematic religion, which is protected from any form of mockery. We need to make an updated version of Life of Brian we used to do satire so well and were utterly fearless
@@martinchatterton3558 I'm not a royalist either. I'm ignoring the BBC news website currently, too much effing king Charlie and Harry stories kicking around. Just chatting to a Christian currently who claims that his god has morally sound laws with regard to slavery, despite him saying that slaves should not be permanently owned, yet being fully aware of laws saying "Your menservants and maidservants shall come from the nations around you, from whom you may purchase them. You may also purchase them from the foreigners residing among you or their clans living among you who are born in your land. These may become your property. You may leave them to your sons after you to inherit as property; you can make them slaves for life. But as for your brothers, the Israelites, no man may rule harshly over his brother." Leviticus 25:44-46. The dissonance is astounding.
Re. the first call - any approach is capable of scaring away somebody. And being disrespectful is sometimes a perfectly valid choice - not all ideas or people are deserving of respect. I'd like to think respect is the default position, but when it comes to religion in particular this is one of the ways they establish and maintain their holder on believers. A bit of healthy disrespect and the shock that comes with it is a valid strategy; sometimes it's not the right choice, but no strategy is perfect...
Exactly.
Hey Brett, America is one of the most religious countries in the world and one of the worst in almost every category except money. In fact the most religious countries in the world tend to have the most violence and disparity. The most secular countries in the world have the happiest and healthiest populations. You are just wrong in every thing you say.
In fact, red states are shitty when it comes to money as well.
Andrew is a Taoist now. I guess that's progress lol.
I think he's just lying in order to come across as more objective in the discussion rather than just "hey I'm Christian and Jesus was awesome dude."
Here's what you say whenever a Christian says Atheist don't have anything to give them morals or blah blah blah atheism. Just say "THERE IS NO BOOK THAT TELLS US HOW TO BE GOOD ATHEISTS." We're not a worldview, a religion, a philosophy" Atheism is just a word that means we are not convinced of your story about there being a god.
People are leaving the church to take advantage of the limited time offer of the god worshiped by the church across the street, which includes a generous signing bonus.
Brett doesn’t seem to think those bad Christians were real Christians. And Brett doesn’t take responsibility for what other Christians have done. And the hosts already listened to Brett for a bit, and Brett just ignores that as if they didn’t. Useless.
Comment to Jack's call: Christianity has talked down to people for being unbelievers, acted in violence towards people in LGBTQ+ or atheists, shamed women for abortions and told people they will burn in hell for decades upon decades.
I do not care if people are offended lol. If someone tells me they are religious I try to be respectful of the person in general, but I don't care if someone is offended overall about me making a comment about a god or gods. It's silly. You can respect a person and not respect an idea.
ha Sydney knows about Brett xD ....Sydney is an og
😅
I thought Howard was going to go down the absurd idea that people who accept evolution are obliged or likely to want to "serve" it and things like the death penalty, abortion and eugenics are therefore justified. But it turned out his argument was even more tenuous.
Brett is the PERFECT example that not all athiest or former athiest are:
logical
Critical thinkers
Skeptics
Smarter than (insert other group)
That was embarrassingly bad 🤦
Did Brett not learn his lesson the first several dozen times he went up against atheists and got baseball-bat-slapped in the face? Did he really think this was the time he'd come out on top? Why doesn't he debate someone at his level, like a golden retriever or something?
Holy shit, Brett Keane is still alive? I don't know why but I legit thought he died years ago...
I was shook to the *core* when I heard his voice.
@@SydneyDavisJrJr Hahaha, I didn't quite have that, but I'll admit I felt my heart sink. More disappointment. Like, "ugh... I thought we were done with this."
The sad git has been doing the rounds on most Atheist shows, strange that all his calls end the same way.
Brett get his Budgie smugglers in a knot🤣
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Didn't Brett Keane publicly oppose Kent Hovind not too long ago? That's when I realized he is still alive.
Re: Jack's call. I love the disrespect to Christianity. The disrespect that some Christians apply to unmarried couples, or people having abortions, or queer people in loving relationships can be offset by the disrespect by atheists towards Christianity.
If offending people and making them feel bad about their beliefs didn’t help change minds, then there wouldn’t be so many Christians.
I think the disrespect takes some of the power out of the religion. When there’s less power people seem more inclined to speak up. I don’t know why Jacks opinion on the topic is more important than yours or mine.
@@joemiller7082 Indeed. you nailed it saying that. A Harry Potter story came to mind where Remus Lupin released a Boggart, the Riddikulus spell was used by the traumatised kids to turn the Boggart into something that the caster finds funny. What is sillier than an impossible three-in-one god that feels it needs to sacrifice itself to itself to act as a loophole for it's own mistakes in the past? Those harmed by Christianity need to better biblical magic by casting the Riddikulus spell.
@@briannewton3535 yeah. Good comparison there, I think.
I think Jack has a valid point, but I also agree that for the format the humor is useful. And I love it.
I’d love to see Howard call in and ask his silly egg questions to Forrest lmao
Howard: Mitochondrial DNA flows from mother to daughter to her daughter to her daughter down the female line. To the sons, but the sons' wife's daughter will have the wife's Mitochondrial DNA Genes are normally halved between parents' genes. The child's DNA will be unique but with enough markers to tell who the parents were.
Okay but how many of the eggs belong to the mother and when does God put them in the daughter?
Talk about a complete failure of the education system regarding the biology of people with ovaries.
Why are people REALLY leaving church? It's much more comfortable to sleep at home.
as far as death penalty goes, i'm not for it simply because there are many cases where someone is wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death. if there's even a chance of that happening, we shouldn't be doing it.
What’s odd is that for all the “life is precious” stance these “Pro-life’ers” take, they’re all for the death penalty, would rather ban books than assault rifles, support wars of aggression and domination, are frothing at the mouth for executing their enemies and are against all forms of Social Programs meant to EXTEND life.. be in the form of Medical care or in rehabilitation. They’re not Pro-life… they’re Pro-Fetus.. which gives the UNBORN more rights than ANY citizen and more than even its mother (or both its mother and father and anyone else!)…. but ONLY until it’s born. After that, it’s “f-k you” and it’s the mother’s responsibility (however unfit or unprepared she is) all the while cutting any support to her to raise the child… and ensuring they also cut funding to education, daycare, social programs, health care, second degree education, job training, economic assistance and education, etc… that is if they make it OUT of the school system as now there is a 1/300 chance of there being a school shooting and 1 in 5 chance that they will even graduate. This is the legacy of the “pro-life” movement. Again, they’re really Pro-Fetus because it costs them NOTHING to be so, and pushes everything on the mother…. For the rest of her life.
@@creativewriter3887 I try not to lump people into categories based on their stance on any one issue. I am (for lack of a better term) pro choice, but I am also very much pro gun (the only thing that can stop an armed person with bad intent is another armed person with good intent, criminals don't care about gun laws and are frothing at the mouth for innocent citizens to be disarmed), I am also pro small government, I think you should pay for your own education and healthcare.
For my dearly departed loved ones I always do the X would really enjoy this or that. and then have a good cry.
Ash,
I'm sorry for your loss. It's tough losing friends, and there's no real comfort except to cherish the people in your life as much as possible.
As for "Energy cannot be created or destroyed", that's true.
But sources of energy CAN be destroyed.
For example, if I have a fully charged battery in my hand, and I plug that into a device that runs on batteries, the energy in that battery can power the device.
But if I take that battery out and smash it with a hammer, that electrical energy might still infuse the chemicals that spilled out when I smash it, but that battery is no longer a useful container full of energy.
The same thing happens to humans who die, or any other living thing that dies.
Whatever energy we have comes from eating food and converting the nutrients into energy.
When our body dies, those functions cease and we no long produce that energy.
We're not destroying the energy; we're simply not making anymore.
As for the concept of a soul, that is not only unproven with every attempt to detect a soul failing in every way, it's also been proven not to exist, as much as anything can be disproven.
It is a lovely idea that we have a magical soul and when we die our magical soul goes to some magical place and we reunite with other magical souls and live happily ever after in a magical afterlife.
Unfortunately, the reality is that every shred of evidence that has ever been provided on the issue of whether we have a soul or not is always on the "not" side of the issue.
This is not comforting.
This is not lovely.
But this is reality.
And it makes me cherish every moment of my life, and every person I share it with, so much more because this is, in reality, all I have.
55:28 Odd that Brett appeals to Matthew 7:12 (the golden rule): "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you." This instruction from Jesus is an exemplar of subjective morality and is presented in Matthew as a core message of the gospels: "For this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
The golden rule is not a rule in the normal sense of the word. It's a guiding principle, directing us through a procedure of self-reflection to formulate our own appropriate moral actions. It is intrinsically stance-dependent, i.e., subjective. Does that make Jesus a nihilist, Brett?
Also, wouldn't one expect a perfect being to preach the platinum rule: Do unto others as they would have done unto themselves? Rather less self-centred (and, dare I say, subjective) than treating everyone under the assumption that how you want to be treated is the ideal.
Wow! What incisive perspectives that I've never had occasion to consider before, both the OP and first responder.
@@xmillion1704 *HEY BRETT* "I USED TO BE A FORMER ATHEIST" MEANS THAT YOU'RE AN ATHEIST NOW. YOU MADE THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN IN THIS CALL
@@xmillion1704 incidentally, you do a fabulous job of conveying the impression of an infant crying about its dirty diaper.
Hats off!
@@TheSnoeedog It's unfortunate that you've evidently somehow mistaken what I'm trying to communicate. I was not expressing sarcasm. I sincerely found that what both you and RogerMellie had to share evinced a penetrating insight, representing perspectives, the precise nature of which I've never previously pondered.
for 6 min dan has been backpedaling while sydney thanks jack for his obsequious psychological projection. *PUSH BACK*
I was actually really annoyed by how fast they seemed to roll over and basically started blaming the algorithm making the make jokes against their will. We need some hosts with an actual backbone.
The show is called Talk Heathen not "Only talk respectfully about Christianity so we don't drive away the Christians."
I don't feel humor shouldn't be regulated, policed, or scrutinized. The show provides a lot of content. Calling out a segment that consumes 1% of the show's time, due to personal opinions and tastes is not something the show should entertain.
"I despiiiiiiiiiise people who are offended by humour....if you're offended by humour, go roll around in barbed wire with Magic Johnson; *I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT."* -- Jim Norton, Yellow Discipline
Anyone who's paid any attention to life in today's society to even a small degree, they're aware that much of popular humor is pretty edgy, and therefore just about guaranteed to piss someone off. With that said, in reference to Jack's call, I agree that if the primary goal of this Atheist communities programs was conversion, then maybe insulting some Christian belief would matter. However, from my perspective, I've found religion, and particularly Christianity, to have been abusive and repeatedly harmful. I don't get off on trying to purposely insult others, but I have no issue with denigrating religion.
Well I can see that someone obviously doesn't care whether he earns stars to wear on his crown in atheist heaven. lol
An old timey preacher came across a boy selling fish, calling out, "Get your dam fish here! Fresh dam fish, only a dollar!" The preacher said, "Why, boy, why are you using such language? Don't you know you'll offend the LORD?"
The boy said, "No, sir-these are fish I caught up at the dam! I don't mean no disrespect."
So the old timey preacher bought a mess of the fish from the boy, taking them home to his wife.
When he said, "Why don't you go ahead and cook up them dam fish?" his wife said, "Why, Artimus! You know a preacher shouldn't never talk that way!" But when he explained to her what he meant, she laughed and went into the kitchen to start supper.
At supper time, the old timey preacher said to his son, "Hey, Bartholomew, why don't you pass me those dam fish? I'd like a second helping, they're so good!"
As he passed the fish over, the teenage boy said, "Now you're getting it, Pops! And pass me the fucking mashed potatoes!"
At best, Christianity's role in perpetuating slavery makes it's role in ending it at best a wash, but really I'd say that it took far too long for them to reach what was always pretty obviously the right answer.
Also, I always enjoy the "name an atheist who..." argument when you're talking about the 19th Century and earlier as though society was as understanding and accepting of atheism back then. If I was an atheist in 1810 I don't think I'd have advertised it. It's not dissimilar to the "famous scientist from before 1800 was a Christian" argument - yeah, at a time when the Christian church had a near total monopoly on literacy and education, literate educated people tended to be Christian (or at least to say they were...)
Why are people leaving the church? The internet. Not so easy these days to section off access to information, and while bubbles keep most from looking outside those who care if what they believe is true now have the ability to pretty much instantly get to the arguments that used to be buried under mountains of social condemnation and exclusion.
For me it was more the other side (also your point to inform you in about what is real and what his empty claim), the internet gave me ample supply of people that are totally persuaded they are christians, but in my eyes do the EXACT opposite. Are arrogant, vain, condescending, judge others, feel entitled, etc.
When tha are the people that go to Heaven, then I do NOT want to be there.
@@feedingravens I'm often intrigued why Christians worship a bigoted, misogynistic and genocidal god that advocates for permanently owning people as property, and allowing followers to beat this property almost to death at will and with impunity. Yet have somehow convinced themselves that it is just and loving.
different buffs from different stuffs
Those who know about Brett know that talking with him is the very epitome of talking with a dishonest person. Don't bother
I'm having trouble with Howard's call. Does he really think THAT backwards?
Come on Brett, be serious man. You know there could not be a single atheist that would be able to have any influence on stopping slavery back in early American history-even if that atheist really, really wanted to stop it! Quit playing! 😂
Christians should not be against slavery. The Bible supports it. Any Christian who says that slavery is wrong is not following the Bible's teachings.
ASH...People have the power to think, analyze, and reflect even upon abstract matters....but like all other living creatures dead is dead...If your not processed and entombed, but if buried in to mother Earth you return to mother Earth.
So if you drown and your body is not recovered and buried you don't return to mother earth?
Jack: "I'm an atheist."
Also Jack: Carries on about not disrespecting Jesus.
Sure buddy.
Like, yeah disrespecting Jesus isn't exactly part and parcel to being an atheist. But, I can't really fathom an atheist taking that much umbrage with insults toward a deity of any kind that they have to call in rather than simply leaving a comment like I'm doing :B
Exactly, it didn’t need more than a ‘that one joke was over the top’ comment.
So who is this Brett guy? It was an interesting call. Never heard of him before. 'Brett 15' or something?
I believe the 2022 christmas special has brett early on. I cut the call out to save but don't have the original attribution. You'll know you have the right one if you have a 4-way split screen. Jimmy, Matt, Arden and Ben. He's a total douchebag and gets yelled and sworn at a lot. It's good fun. Just like in this call, he doesn't understand that "used to be a former atheist" means that *YOU ARE AN ATHEIST. SOUND OUT THE WORDS YOU'RE STRINGING TOGETHER! TRY HARDER YOU INCOMPETENT BOOB*
Brett Keane. Used to be a UA-cam atheist about 15 years ago, but he took the Jebus pill. Total cock.
People are leaving church for many (good) reasons:
They disagree with teachings.
Their church is politicized (far right, christian zionism)
Abuses that go on in the church (emotional, mental, sexual, etc...)
They feel it is fake, commercial, & superficial.
They'd rather watch the sermon on tv, than go to church.
They don't feel that what they get is worth what they put in (time, money, participation in church events)
@adamrspears1981. I think it's mostly because gods don't exist......
@@skibboshadow2670 Sooner or later you gotta face the music.
@@skibboshadow2670yes. That's the main reason.
People are REALLY leaving the church because the cool guy with the horns is WAY more fun!
My eyes won't stop leaking
Why are people leaving the church? Because stale donuts and shiite coffee aren't worth the torture of sermons and bigotry.
I have no problem with the jokes, they are jokes, they are meant to be fun. And if people make jokes about atheists, and they are funny, guess what, I still laugh.
Oh, god, Sydney. Non-human animals CAN think and feel. You cannot say of what another animal's cognition is capable for certain.
People are REALLY leaving the church because Talk Heathen is becoming popular
Oh Brett you had to know that wasn’t gonna go well buddy…
I can't believe Brett has been an "online personality" for (almost?) a decade in this space and doesn't know what nihilism is, and thinks 'christians ended slavery' is an argument.
Brett continues the trend of 'none given' pronoun callers who are utterly dishonest.
You would think if there was a book that had an objective morality enclosed within it, that the people who would agree that the book is true, would also agree on the tenants of that objective morality. The problem is the morality, expressed by Christian Christians throughout the world and even within the United States Are completely different from one person to the next. It doesn’t seem to be objective whatsoever.
Cry me a river Jack.
A bit on DNS after a quick comment on jokes. As far as jokes go I like the ones that can be shared by many. From another show I forget which. "Why did God make humans"... "To see how many times we will all into a room and forget why we were there."
For those that don't know a lot about DNA. Most DNA is in 23 pairs of chromosomes (46 total) in the nucleus of most cells. There is also a small set of mDNA or mitochondrial in the cytoplasm. In human eggs there is the mother's mDNA plus one of each of the 23 pairs (one half of most cells). In the sperm there are one 23 of the 23 pairs, but no mDNA (one half of most cells again) We only get mDNA from our maternal line as the egg has cytoplasm . The majority is a split from each parent. (yes there are technically exceptions but just going over typical here). The 23 chromosome pair is the one that determines biological sex. XY for male and XX for female (Though not always expressed outwardly). It is the fathers sperm that determines if the child is male or female. If he passes his X chromosome whichever he got from his mother from his mother the child will be female. Likewise if he passes the Y chromosome from his father the child will be male.
So by the time you get to grandchildren.... All children will have the mDNA of their maternal grandmother. Boys will have their paternal grandfather's Y chromosome . Girls will have one of their paternal grandmother's X chromosome (the other from one of their mothers). In the roughly 4 billion base pairs in chrismal DNA there is around 5 to 10 changes per generation. So there is a small change, but you can say typically the DNA is the same. So, how does the rest of the 22 pairs show in grandchildren otherwise? Think of a deal of cards. The father gets Spades from his father and Hearts from his mother. The mother gets Clubs from her father and Diamonds from her mother. A child could get all the Spades from their father and all Clubs from their mother. But this is highly unlikely. More likely you are going to get a good mix. Half will be from one set of grandparents and Half from the other, But from the father side the 22 (ignoring the XY) could be 3 from grandfather and 19 from grandmother or vice versa. Same on mother's side. So think about the cards again 22 will be either Spade (paternal grandfather) or Heart (paternal grandmother) and 22 will be Club (maternal grandfather) or Diamond (maternal grandmother).
People are really leaving church because they don't offer free food for their morning service.
Howard is talking about abortion he's not slick.
"Whatever feels good" is hedonism, not morality. It frosts me when people equate them.
Why are people really leaving the church? No good reason, same as why they joined.
They may have joined for no good reason but they are probably leaving for a good reason
There are no ateist book with instructions on how to behave as a ateist. Brett seems to like being destroyed.
What if there is an afterlife, and it is worse than this one?
With all the many horrors in this world, from the depraved cruelties to disease causing painful long suffering deaths- why would there be an afterlife worse than what can, and has, happened here? What purpose would such a thing serve? Be pretty shitty for a tortured abused child to have a worse afterlife, how would that even be possible?
What if this IS the afterlife?
People are really leaving the church because it cuts into their daily sin schedule. After all a couple hours on the weekend is a long time to spend away from the hub
I always wondered why go to church when Jesus himself said that you should pray at home in private behind closed doors where nobody can see you (Matthew 6:6-7)
EXACTLY.. if you’re gonna confess and feel shame.. DO something worthy of the “blood sacrifice of Jesus” (short of murder, abuse, corruption, etc, of course) So sin, no salvation, right?
Keep it coming with the jokes. Its what makes the talk show interesting fun funnier cool ya get the point🤪. If you cant handle a joke, your weird.
Expressing blasphemy can be so therapeutically freeing after living under a regime of spiritual oppression.
A child gets half 9f its chromosomes from each parent, so a grandchild averages 1/4th of the 46, give or take a few.
Andrew's a Taoist, now? He used to be a Catholic, bemoaning the doctrine of indissolubility of marriage (translation he has buyer's remorse re: his wife and children) and how he only stuck around because of it. Does this mean he got a divorce? (I'm pretty sure Christy summarized one of his calls as, "I hate my life. I hate my job. And that's good.")
People are leaving the church because they said Gord, please help this indivijul in this situation and he didn't answer.
Jack thanks for the ton trolling. Now go make your own show.
Oh that was Brett Keane, wasn't it? If so, I think his most admirable work has been to oppose Kent Hovind's criminal compound publicly.
I give him no points for that. He only did that because Hovind wasn't giving him enough attention anymore.
Howard, you are delusional if you believe that every atheist is against the death penalty.
Howard*
Andrew: Jesus was a product of his time. Huh? I thought he was god. If he wasn’t god, we are not talking about Christianity. we’re just talking about about a rando guy from a long time again.
I’m fine with the idea that a religion which doesn’t say Jesus is literally God can still be Christianity. Who are we as atheists to decide what “true” Christianity is? It’s not like the Bible is coherent and intelligible.
Jack is a real snowflake.
And you are a real dim wit.
His point was about how these shows appeal to the lowest common Denom, it's a good reminder at times.
Maybe listen a bit more carefully.
Maybe Jack is a Christian. It wouldn't be the first time I have heard a Christian say dishonest things to support their narrative and trying to put down atheists talking points.
Maybe his faith or lack thereof is on thin ice.
Y'all seem to have difficulty in answering calls like Howard's when they make generalizations, and it puzzles me, since I've watched Dan do so much better in the past on this show and AXP. A simple point is that I think many atheists are secular humanists. That's all the explanation needed to offer why they would be against the death penalty. Above all, however is this: there is nothing in life that is 100% uniformly across the board. No group is entirely in favor or or against any issue, belief or whatever.
People are leaving church because priests are being arrested. (I wish this was true)
Objectively Dan, don’t say that! Don’t say that you are doing what you’re doing only for the money. It sounded like you called yourself a sellout. „I don’t want to do this but it’s what beings money”. That’s what it sounded. No!
In the mid-90s I was in a punkish death metal band with a couple friends. We were trying to be as offensive as possible and even get arrested for it (NWA was still in our minds). We had a reference to stigmata masturbation in a song. Also bestiality in the name of Muhammed.
Nice!! 🤘🤘
Because the let Jesus take the wheel and Jesus wae a bad driver.
I thought Jacks call was great but any religions that tell me im going to hell to be tortured forever dont get to be offended by anything.