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Andrew, you are giving a sence that you skip calibration because you have some pride calibrating manually. I think that is wrong, and you are way to biased in that regard. You really should try and give Dirac a real chance, and use it for a couple of weeks or even up to a month. I'm sure, when you go back to none calibration mode, you will think, how the heck could you live without! Switching between calibartion modes quickly is not a good way to judge anything. Dirac Bass Control and ART is coming later this year, and it will accelerate away from your beloved SONY even further. Great review!
@@Exalix I have only a question about sony, DOES sony calibration and 360 change the original record for more vivid sound like yamaha AI sound? because seems that do that to bem considered better than dirac and audyssey
I got the 40 because of the remote, features and looks. Sony 7000 looks old remote looks bad. The 40 is just a beautiful piece!! Sounds great with keff r3 meta indigo blue! Just starting my theater setup.
I loved the review and I have been waiting for months to hear your non biased review and opinion. But, I am highly disappointed that the Marantz C-40 was not compare to the Denon AVR-X4800H which is in the same class. How much longer do we to wait for you to finally compare these two excellent reciever side by side?
I'm so happy with Bose 600 and surrounds thanks to your review. The dialog is crystal clear. Love your videos. I'm someone who owned Mark Levinson and Magneplanars. But recently I went the simple way. Thx!
I bought the Cinema 50 a few weeks ago - a little nervously as I had been waiting for this review of the Cinema 40 and didn’t want to feel I was missing out. No regrets at all, and I didn’t need to purchase Dirac. It’s only a 5.0 surround system and Audyssey worked wonders.
I bought the Cinema 40 and like it very much. I'm still using a power amplifier via pre-out to an Emotiva XPA-200 gen 1 powering a pair of Kef R3 fronts and matching R series center channel. Using LS50s as surround speakers. I have the Kef R3s sitting on top of the SVS SB3000 subs using iso stands. The sub is tuned using Cinema manual setup and tuning. Sounds excellently blended and the optional directional L and R low frequency signals make it a great stereo experience. I'm using 80hz crossover to the subs. I could probably use 60hz crossover but I like SVS sub being more involved in the frequency curve.
Ooooo idea for another video…”Home Theater Lingo” in other words, what do enthusiasts mean by words like “bright, weight, warm, depth, range, full etc.” That could be fun and add to our knowledge a bit…
A bright sound usually means the highs overwhelm the rest of the sound. A warm sound usually means the highs are not as prominent. Weight and full usually means the sound has a lot of punch or force behind it. Depth usually refers to the midrange where the singer and instruments are in their proper space from front to rear. For instance, a forward sounding midrange will make a singer sound closer to you than the recording engineer intended. Imaging refers to a singer and instruments belonging in their proper space from left to right. For instance a singer should sound like they're lright in the middle between the speakers, in a good system, if you concentrate on the singer the left and right speaker will appear like they're not even playing. In a great live recording, you may hear the singer's voice move left or right as they move across the stage. Range usually refers to the ability to accurately reproduce sound from the lowest lows to the highest highs. Hope this helps.
@@michael-4k4000 pro calibration uses a machine that is highly sensitive to light and color, coupled with a computer to read the results and help you to calibrate to a baseline. E.g. what is red? I could show you thousands of variations that you would call "red", but there is a pure baseline 'red' when we talk about calibration. Like music, movie and film are calibrated to a specific color balance, specific white balance. They use calibrated equipment so the baseline is standardized and so when we say that hat should be red, we know specifically what we're referencing
I think the Cinema 70 and 50 are the best options for most people. The 70 has as many channels as the 60 but less power. But with the money saved, you can buy a multi-channel power amplifier and still get to roughly the same price as the 60. Also, it's form factor is more approachable and will fit into more cabinets. Increasingly, a lot of TV stands that aren't purpose built home theatre media consoles don't fit these larger receivers. Or just upgrade straight to the Cinema 50 and get more channels as well. The 40 is quite a bit more expensive than the 50 without offering too much more.
The Cinema 40 is made in with better components and is made in the Shirakawa plant in Japan. I'm been curious about Dirac but I think I have a nearly optimal sound figured out without it.
I went with the Denon x4800h which is similar to the Cinema 40. I got it for Dirac which was able to bring some depth back to my speakers that I need to have on semi enclosed shelves (compromises). Huge improvement over no eq and Audyssey no matter how much I tweaked it. Sony 7000 interested me but early buyers were finding software bugs though it had a false start where some retailers were selling it before others. So maybe it just wasn't ready yet. Happy with the Denon though!
Interesting that you prefer the sound without Dirac. I found that a few days listening to my front floorstanders and careful positioning to optimize 2 channel listening, then moving on to the entire multichannel setup and then running correction - it was the cherry on top to reach AUDIO ECSTASY.
How does it compare to the 8015 which was reviewed a little over a year ago? Looks and Dirac aside, the big difference is the lack of a toroidal which puts the Cinema 40 closer to a 7000 series.
Thank you, bought this receiver and I must admit that the sound quality is so much better then my previous Yamaha 775 receiver with Magnat 1109 speakers as fronts. Stereo music is much more controlled, details in the upper frequencies sound nicer to the ears with more detail. Surround effects with movies are stronger and have a more surround sound then before.
Wow, I was sort of afraid to admit that I prefer my Marantz 60 without room correction or general EQ. Something just starts to sound off as soon as I add any adjustments and I gave Audyssey a real honest try again here. I just set the distances, crossovers, and then levels by ear. I feel dirty, but it sounds better, what can I say? I kept toggling back and forth scratching my head.
Once I had Dirac and REW I never want to go back. There is a great video on UA-cam where the Audessy team admits on the Denon channel where the room correction often drops lots of corrections because the real-time processor can’t process them all. As server specialist for over 30 years specializing in real-time global non-stop systems it saddens me to hear that the systems are under specked and I’m not surprised to see Denon Marantz move to Dirac. But the future is Dirac Art if it eventuates. It’s room correction solution is a game changer. And Art will need sone serious processing. It’s in the Storm Audio. Check it out. Dirac Art.
I got the Cinema 70s for the bedroom, and I am here to tell the readers...it has balls! Don't let the 50wpc fool you; you always have pre-outs if needed.
I went with the Cinema 60 in order to stay below the $2K mark. It was about twice what I paid for my last AVR and it sounds amazing. Best user interface of any AVR I’ve ever seen! Your video on the first 2023 Marantz you reviewed (I think it was the 50?) was a big part of my decision, so thank you!
I am wondering why you have not review denon x4800h? Well I know the x4800h is almost the same as x3800h, but i really want to know if there is any good between those from your point of view. Hope to see your review on x4800h in the future. I also like to watch if you will review the audiolab 8300xp too. Thanks a lot.
I went that rabbit hole . Loved my Marantz AV 7005 . When it was time for repairs it was dated . Unable to get parts I had a big brick .The price of a new precessor is over 3.5k I went back to 2 channes.
Yep, Audyssey for first setup followed by ear after some break in and updates, as I have an off center great room. I do need the 8015 for the power as I am driving large speakers and mounted heights. The 80db is perfect for 7.2.4 and it runs cooler than my old 7010 did.
Great video as always! One note. A discussion of the reported bugs with the new Sony AVRs (from the 7000 to the an1000) such as reported hiss and loud clunk noises would have been nice. I tried two an1000 because I liked it for the same reasons as in your review but both units suffered from terrible hiss and clunking noise. This is widely reported on forums. I ended up with the x3800h and it has been flawless.
Living in Europe, my assessment of the Cinema 40, which I've owned for a couple of months, is different as it is priced here only slightly above the Denon 4800 and significantly below the RZ70 (or the Integra DRH 8.4 which retails at almost twice the street price of the Marantz). For 2000-2500€, the Cinema 40/Denon 4800 feature set compares favorably with anything in its price range (Even including the promised full Dirac DLBC, it is cheaper than the Onkyo RZ70 which offers 2 extra channels of amplification, but has only 2 sub outputs). Switching from a much older silver Rotel (RSX1055), I'm not impressed by the built quality or the look of my silver Cinema 40, but I have no complaint over the feature set (including an informative display which is a good substitute for the Marantz app when not using a projector/TV, the 3 assignable triggers and amplifiers, the GUI and the web interface)... I wish it had XLR outs for the front channels and subs, but that's about it... There are also a few software bugs, but it seems all current brands suffer from similar or worse issues.
Hi Andrew. Greetings from Turkey. I like to ask you that since you pointed that alot of people wont use dirac and also cinema 40 and 50 dont have that much of power diff. Would you rank SR8015 over cinema 40? I think i would. I am curios of what you think on cinema 40 vs SR8015
You can save yourself $1,550 by going with the nearly identical Marantz 7015. The Cinema 40 is more or less a 7015 with some updates. Do you really need 4 independent sub channels? It puts on quite a show!
I bought a 7015 on Amazon Prime day for less than $1000. Deal of the century. It was a Marantz reconditioned, but looks brand new and it works great. Zero regrets.
The 7015 was recently on sale for $1500 brand new at Amazon. $2k saving. Much better buying the old range on sale. Was exactly the same with the kef R11s. Non meta version was on sale for 50% off. A billy bargain. No way the 40 or R11 metas are worth that much more.
With the Cinema 40 at 1800,- euros right now, what are the actual alternatives? The Cinema 30 over here is pretty much twice the price.... For that budget I can add Emotiva XPA for more channels and power.. Any thoughts?
Thank you...this review TOTALLY reinforces many reviews of Marantz previously sought out...just LOVE the aesthetics, BUT like the sharpness and attack of a Sony or Pioneer (SC-09TX).
Great video - thanks. I have realised while watching this channel that I enjoy the interactions and dialogue between you and Kristy just as much as the nerdy details about the equipment on test - it's a real testament to the chemistry as partners and a great way to differentiate your channel from myriad AV channels available. Well done!
Does it really matter which AVR you get and their power output if you plan on using it as a PRE amp and getting a dedicated AMP like a emotiva for each channel? Cant decide between the Marantz 40 or 50??
Sound quality comes from the components within the AVR. Not the power amp. By adding a poweramp you're just giving yourself more of what's already been established.
Andrew, I tried this Marantz and the Anthem at home and kept the Anthem. There is more clarity and easiness of driving speakers from Anthem that made me kept it. Needless to say about Anthem Arc and supplied microphone usb-c calibrated.
Great review! I really wanted to get the Cinema 40, but I ended up getting the Denon X4800H instead. After watching your review, I think I made the right choice. Denon is still using the old design, but I'm glad the UI is new and the software is snappier on the X4800H compared to my X1600H. The X4800H is also more affordable than the Cinema 40, and I've always wanted a made-in-Japan unit. I guess the X4800H met my needs.
With the exception of the HDAMs, I think the 40 and 4800h are identical except in price and someone was saying the 4800h is the better buy given the fact that it's a grand cheaper. Look at the images from the top. It makes sense because they just have to manufacture 1 unit with a different board. However, some folks are picking up the 7015 for $1,500 in Europe which is technically a Cinema 40 with fewer subs, 1 HDMI 2.1 port and no support for Dirac (but eArc is there) and the old fascia for less than a Cinema 60...
@@techsamurai11 You’re right about the HDAM. The X4800H is based on the older X4700H design, but it has a new internal amplifier design. The SR7015 is a great pre/pro, but I think anything prior to 2020 has a HDMI issue with certain 4K/120Hz sources. Consider SR8015 instead. In fact, I almost bought a used SR8015 unit. I did have a hard time choosing between the used SR8015, Cinema 40, and Cinema 50. The X4800H was released in July 2023 here, and I immediately bought it because what I need is all in the X4800H (missing two channels and has three subwoofer outputs, but I think I can live with that).
I really hope this generation of Marantz and Denon receivers will get Dirac ART support. I’ve heard that they’re working on it but nothing is confirmed yet. The upgrade will most likely cost 900€+ but Dirac art is absolutely worth every penny
Thanks for another great review. These new marantz look killer in silver. Currently deciding how much i value having surround sound in the future, aka, deciding between the cinema 70s + amps and the model 40n. Both set ups are appealing.
I just replaced my old Marantz and really do like this receiver. The one thing I don’t like is when it is switching audio formats the screen cuts out for a second, so to workaround you really have to send the picture to the TV and just audio to receiver.
I really only use music stereo modes but DD DSP for some content and the first DD DSP for movie content. I use multi channel stereo for certain dance music.
Would be really curious how the Cinema 30 will stack up to the rest.. Seems like that one packs even more. And then there is that beast, the Denon A1H.. However that thing is pretty much twice the price of most receivers here.
for how much companies wanna charge for avrs. they should all be stable to 4ohms and over 150 watts as well. it’s like ferrari selling a car for 300k and u get 90hp. 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
Andrew, I currently own the Cinema 40 and the Sony 7000, and I think you are spot on in this review. For everyday TV (Dish Network) I prefer the Marantz with no room correction and an old-fashioned manual setup. I could never quite get the sound of the Sony to match it. For movies via disc or streaming the Sony wins by a hair, but I do use the Audyssey EQ app set to flat for movie listening with the Marantz. For music in my room, I was stunned at the Sony quality. With pure direct on both the Sony and Marantz streaming from a Blue Sound Node 2i from my NAS or Amazon Music I can not get the Marantz to match the Sony. I have used both analog and digital outputs when listening. The Marantz still sounds good but not great. At the current time, I have the Marantz in action and am working with REW and DSPmini to try to improve the bottom end. Then I am going to switch back to the Sony and compare again. When my old processor pooped out back in the winter I started with an Anthem 1140 but the user interface and operational bug had me crying uncle after about 6 weeks. Keep up the good work!!!!
Using Goldenear triton 2+, Center XXL, Surrounds Super Sat 3, don't remember the ceiling model number. In a 7.3.2 set up. 2 subs from the powered 2+ and 1 SVS SB13 ultra.@@jccat-uv8zb
I think you're not the only one with golden ears 😂 He's surprisingly spot on in his reviews of equipment. I'm in shock that both you and Andrew prefer the system without Room EQ. I can probably understand Andrew's reasoning because he has treated his room and has a bass dip that he probably manually deals with and can manually set it up without having to go through the painstaking iterations and microphone setups that mere mortals like myself have to go through. But Room EQ is considered by many folks as the primary factor to buy an AVR. It's interesting that the opinions can vary that much. I'm in-between.
I use room EQ (Audyssey) with movies and streaming shows. None on Dish Network and music. The Sony does not have conventional room EQ like Audyssey or Dirac. The Sony measures and tries to optimize your speakers so they are in the optimal location. And sadly at my age, my ears are more tin than gold but I can still tell good from bad sound.@@techsamurai11
Sony str-az7000es is not available in Europe, however the Marantz cinema line is. Marantz is much cheaper in EU than in US. E.g the Cinema 40 can be bought for 1,900EUR (2,000USD) in EU, compared to US price 3,500USD. Sony str-az7000es US price is 3,200USD. So the situation in EU is as follows: Cinema 40 is 1,200 USD cheaper than Sony str-az7000es. For that money there is no question which one to prefer even if in EU the Sony would be available. Yes, the Dirac will need to be purchased separately, however ... DIRAC ART is coming to Marantz and Denon top of the lines of AVRs. And that my friends is a game changer.
..ya moustly 1900€ Cinema 50, but we are dealing with 360°spatial sound mapping from Sony, and with this ONLY Sony ta-an 1000 in EU, dos'nt have pre-out, but cost like 1000€, need advise if Marantz even Cinema 50 Is beter way without 360°ssm, cinema 50 has auro but, need DVD movies in that So you can hear it, Sony 360°ssm can be turn on even on 5.1 or in stereo also, isnt that beter option?! I dont know, but looks like Andrew R. know very well..! If we have in EU es line like str-az5000es or even 3000es, I will like to try for sure..
Hello! love your reviews and not least the mic quality, I'm considering buying a marantz cinema 40 or 50 I'm going to use an emotiva power amplifier on the fronts and am not sure if there is any difference in pre amp mode between the two. any thoughts on that?
I primarily listen to multichannel music (SACD, DVD-A and Blu-ray Audio). Between the Marantz Cinema 40 and the Sony ES7000 reviews, I'm getting the impression the Marantz might sound a little better for music, with the Sony's surround capabilities being a bit better due to its 360 spatial sound mapping. Just curious if anyone had any thoughts on this comparison and which might be the better option for surround based, immersive audio
I has to be - Crutchfield is listing the 8015 as "Discontinued" - so there is no way Marantz is going to let a 9.4, 125W, AVR be its top of the line, flagship - especially with everyone else (including Denon, its sister company) having 11, 13, 15 channels and 140W-150W as their flagships.
@@gb3496Yeah but the Cinema 40 is competing with those AVRs in price. If they do launch a Cinema 30 to replace the 8015 with a toroidal, they'd charge $4,500-$5,000 for it. Plus they need a Denon identical model which would be the AVR-X8500HA that goes for $4,600 and weighs 52lbs - Marantz AVRs are usually under 40 so it would be a form-factor departure. For $5,000+, it makes no sense to buy the Cinema 30 when you can get a RZ50 and a 7 channel BASX amp. Now you have separates and way more power as you can use the RZ50 for all surrounds (very little power usage) and bi-amp your LCR to get the most out of your premium speakers. The BasX is rated at 125 watts for 2 channels and 90 watts at 7 channels. I think those are conservative figures to avoid cannibalizing XPA sales.
Well the 3,000 dollar receiver market is not in the cards for me. Not that I couldn't afford it, but they really are overkill for my needs (smaller room). But you have me seriously considering the Cinema 70 series to replace my aging 2005 Denon 2805. It's still alive and kicking but horrendously outdated at this point. Plus I have recently purchased a Cambridge AX35 for 2 channel use and I think mixing this with the 70 would be a great match. Great reviews Andrew and Kristi. I think you are one of the better channels for layman audiophiles like me. A good mix of moderately high and low end reviews with plenty of detailed info to make an informed decision. Keep up the good work!
THE review we've been waiting for. Thank you Kristi & Andrew. Our two channel music only system is complete. Want a video/movie centered receiver with Atmos and have gone back & forth between Sony AZ5000ES & Martantz Cinema 50 for a month. Choosing the Sony ES to pair with Emotiva XPA-5 to power Monitor Audio Silver speakers and Sony amps to power Atmos ceiling speakers for a 5.2.4 system. That was as honest & direct a review that I expect from you. Thank you again. 👍
@@techsamurai11 Sony is on order I like Dirac used in the XMC-1, but an extra $400 for the Marantz 50 when Integra DRX 5.4 is no extra cost... The Sony ES line has always been a quality buy and I suspect they will release a firmware update for the "hiss" issue with some, but not all owners.
I've loved my Cinema 50 paired with the Polk R700s. I wouldn't say that Audyssey (or however you spell it) got me where I needed to be, but close enough that I could tweak it a little here and there for my personal taste.... but I also wouldn't spend the extra $$$ they want, just to get Dirac.... I feel kind of jipped that I spent that much on a receiver and now they want me to spend MORE for a little feature to make it 'better'? Should have just been a firmware update that everyone gets that has spent that kind of money on one of their products if you ask me.... kind of soured me a little towards Marantz - but I still love the Cinema 50. Thanks for all the great work you both put into these!!!
The other way is they just increase the base MSRP and then everyone gets it if they want it or not. For most they won’t setup Dirac even if it was included.
Would the Cinema 40 (85W per channel, 5-channels driven) be a good pairing with a 5.1 Bowers & Wilkins 702 S3 setup? Or would you wait for the Marantz 8015 replacement?
I don’t know a lot about receivers, but I bought some fancy speakers (7.1) and feel like I should upgrade my receiver. I have a Yamaha RX-A2A. I’m curious how much difference I would notice if I upgraded to something like this.
Great review of the Marantz C40 - looks phenomenal, and LOVE the menu system. Marantz sets the standard on Menus. As a Denon x2600H owner, I was hemming and hawing over upgrading to the C40's smaller brothers, the C60 or C50 as we moved some items around from one room to another. ...I also thought of the x3800H. ...but instead, I took a little gamble, and I'm not second guessing my Anthem MRX 540 8K at all. Once the upgrading and set-up is over, which can be a PITA, the Anthem is SO good - the sound quality is outstanding, especially (as you and Kristi noted) for music. ...and that's a big reason I went with Anthem - they make M106 speakers just sing for both movies and music. And the fact you get 100wpc for 5 channels driven (or in the case of the 740 8K - 140wpc 5 channels driven, and 60wpc for 2 surround channels driven), it's not lacking in power, especially during movies.
How long did it take you to setup the Anthem? I thought about buying the Anthem MRX 540 8K but hear many issues with firmware/display bugs and that the setup is overly complicated. What were your specific issues? Did running their ARC genesis have a major impact?
@@lukehoch9140 - you have to update the firmware right away, or the Anthem will give you fits. Once downloaded, you have to restart the receiver for the Anthem to install the firmware updates. It can take 20-30 minutes for the entire process. But me being a newb, took me a few hours to figure out while I was on the phone with Crutchfield - they’ll walk you through it if you have any questions. The Anthem web-interface on a laptop certainly works. It just looks crude. It’s nothing you can’t really do on a Denon or Marantz through their on-screen menus. You can access most of these menu on-screen, but it’s 100% archaic. Much easier to use on a laptop synced with the Anthem receiver. That’s the fussy part. Once you’re beyond that, using the anthem is a piece of cake. I never have a need to look at the menu any longer. Just use the remote to turn the receiver on and off, and change volume really. lol One thing I wish the Anthem receiver had was a “stereo” button, to automatically switch music to 2 channel music. Then a “movies” button to get back to surround sound. It’s a simple hoop I jump through using AppleTV with Apple’s lossless music app. Not really a biggie. But again, it’s such a simple feature, every remote for an AVR should have it. I only have a 4.1 system, so I didn’t need a 7 channel, much less a 9 channel receiver. The sound quality in the end is so worth it. The clarity, detail, nuance, separation, and soundstage is just outstanding. I love the fact all channels driven are 100watts. Plenty of beef for mains and surrounds for our listening viewing space. ARC - Our space isn’t overly complex nor huge, so ARC didn’t make as much of big deal as it would in a room with a wonky ceiling, open walls to the left or right, or strange room shape.
Just another great review Andrew, well done. Can u please , please, please get your hands on the Denon A1H. I would absolutely love to get your thought on this piece.
I have the SR7015...equal of the C40 in specs...in my main living room and a 70 Slimline with Emotiva 3ch powering the LCR's and an Emotiva 4ch filling the rest of my base layer in my larger entertainment room for $2200 all in. Sonically and with distinctly more scale if my two systems got into a fistfight the SR7015 would leave with a hole punched in its chest...good job by the way, as always....slick
Can people with Marantz recievers please comment on their longevity please? Are receivers such as this that are used to amplify and decode sound last for 7-10 years? Or would it be better to just go seperates?
If it helps, I bought my dad a basic Marantz NR1504 (the Cinema 70 is the modern equivalent) in 2014 and it's been used at modest to medium volumes every day without fault.
Another great video you two. I'm one of the people you referred to, bought the Cinema 50 for Dirac capabilities but have yet to use it since it sounds so good without any correction. No regrets on spending extra for the 50 though, always a Marantz fan. Can't wait for the next review.
The receiver looks amazing - best in class looks. Thinking of going with the Sony 5000ES. What are the pros and cons compared to this Marantz 40? I would be looking to get speakers too - a floor stander pair and center maybe from SF lumina line and a sub. Please let me know if you have recommendations. Thanks so much for all the hard work you both put into these videos. The hard work comes across clearly as pure quality!
Thanks! now I am more in doubt then ever :D I was looking towards the Cinema 40, but maybe not good enough for the Magnat 1109 speakers + additional surround speakers when watching movies. The idea of the Cinema 70 with an Emotiva is a nice idea, only the Emotiva is hard to get in Europe and kind expensive (2600 Euros) + the Cinema 70. I can buy the Cinema 40 for ~2300 Euro. @Andrew what would you recommend? Or is it worth looking in the Cinema 40 or 50 in Bi-Amping mode for the more juice?
I love this idea! I have the Marantz Model 30 Integrated and am using an old Outlaw 975 ht processor/pre (putting the M30 into Power Amp mode for home theater only. All other sources go directly to the M30. This seems like the Perfect update to the aging 975 for someone like me who really only needs a 5.1 for HT, but desires a higher standard for audio (analog vinyl etc). I hope they keep this series.
I do like the sound of marantz as a brand. I’m struggling to keep the numbers straight but if I were getting one of their receivers I might consider going all the way up to the 40 as I still own all my old games consoles and having them just work would be nice.
Question to the reviewers out there: Why you never cover topics that are actually relevant to day-to-day operations? For example, my current Denon receiver can double up as a space heater. But no reviewer mentioned that it's running hot when I was choosing it😮
Very valid question chum. I'm forever waiting for a really negative review of ANY amp or AVR from any of the big reviewers. I suspect it will never happen due to the brown envelopes involved. My Yamaha 3060 decided it wants to intermittently cut out whenever it pleases....of course it's just out of warranty yet it got and still gets rave reviews.
Great review. Just got my C40 a week ago, preowned less than 5months for less than $2200. Using it to replace my NR1710. My setup includes pairing it with Mcintosh MA5300, Sonus Faber Lumina III and Lumina Center. Still using my old sub from B&W AS608, and the surrounds and atmos speakers consist of DALI SPEKTOR2 and SS-CSE. I am still only using Audyssey for my setup, however i notice this time round the bass calibration is different from the NR1710, and the results were very positive. Overall bigger soundstage and details when watching my usual streaming stuff like Netflix, Amazon & Plex. My only wish is they can make it not so heavy in the future lol.
yeah it shows the maturity of the AVR industry - the Cinema 40 is technically a Denon 4800h (also made at the Shirakawa facility) which afaik has identical parts to the Cinema 40 and is $1,000 cheaper. Look at the Onkyo RZ70, Integra DRX-8.4, and Pioneer LX805 - the inside is identical with the preouts being the biggest difference among the models. The biggest thing to shake the industry up are the new Sonys which is the only thing that may deliver Trinnov-level spatial mapping but I haven't heard a recording of a Sony vs a Cinema 40. There's a video comparing the Anthem AVM90 and Trinnov Altitude 16 and the spatial effects of the Trinnov are superior even in the recording but it's out of reach and even the AVM90 would barely beat the 8015. If anything, they are all looking at ways to reduce the costs and we've seen the disappearance of the toroidal transformer (Anthem and Rotel are the only two with toroidals at very high prices), arguably the most important audiophile component in an AVR. Sure EIs are great (look at Luxman or Denon is the usual retort) but I was looking at inside images of 30-40 smaller audiophile stereo receivers and they all had toroidal transformers with a French one having 2 of them in a monobloc design so yeah EI is great... The 8015 at least sports the toroidal transformer of yesteryear that my 3 8002s also have. Anyway, I'm getting a RZ50 so I can test Dirac. We shall see how it fares...
I wish you would have covered the setup and config of this receiver. With additional settings such as Dialog Enhancement and dedicated 2-channel mode you're leaving a lot on the table regarding the capabilities of this excellent AVR and I would have liked to see how some of those options compared to the Sony, Onkyo and others.
Another great review. Andrew u need to review anthem avm90, arcam , audio control before u say the 14k marantz pre/pro is worth that kinda money. Audessy at 14k for that stack is crazy town. I picked the integra drx 8.4 over the marantz 40. Dirac is worth more. Xlr in/outputs worth more, bigger internal amp atmos surround duty work. I like the sound better. In the real world more people will benefit from dirac than 4 sub outs.
So I've watched this review in its entirety and i must say...i love it. I've tried the cinema 40/50 and rxa8a. I love the yamaha but my choice will be the c40. The yamaha voice in movies is the winner but there's something about the c40 that distinguishes itself from the others... albeit small but still to my hearts content. Lovely review by the both of you and only wished that you guys touch on the independent subwoofer option.
Some one asked about Marantz quality. I have been in this hobby over 50 years and never had one quit! I still have my 1200 control integrated made in Sothern California got in 1970's still works never serviced. No it is not for sale!
You are confusing the brand name with the actual products. The new products are designed and made by very different people. For example, the still expensive Cinema 50 is made in Vietnam. This reminds me of Japanese watches; only some of them are actually made in Japan.
Thank you for your reply, I noticed in this years Music Direct catalog that the ones that are made in Japan are so listed, a couple in huge letters. Hummm two lines? I sure enjoy your content, my big problem in up-grading is not to lose any functions I already enjoy (SACD) any ideas?@@michaels3003
Hi Andrew. I am an older fan of stereo and electronics. I don't qualify as an audiophile, but definitely a bit of a snob and willing to pay more for quality. I used to build Heathkit products as a kid with my father who passed on his interests and love of music to me. Things have changed so much that I am not quite able to keep up. I do understand the concepts so I find your videos a great resource because you help sift down to the basics that help me grasp what's going on. I am from the old school where a lot of companies were highly respected such as McIntosh or Nakamichi were top of the line. I think that some of the old companies are not the same. We are going to buy a new system and I actually got my wife on board. We listened to the B&O Harmony and it sounded great but I couldn't help but wonder if putting together an entire system would be the better way to go. I found your channel and now I love your reviews. A salesman at another shop had me interested in the McIntosh but at about $8000. After hearing your reviews sanity has taken over and I am looking in the range of the Marantz Cinema 40, Sony 7000ES etc. That leaves me more money to upgrade the TV and speakers. Now I need to start thinking about speakers. Thank you for your great work!
I’m so so happy with my Sony es7000 but my room is wired for 4 subs. What’s should I do. Thank you 2 for everything life has gotten a little crazy busy. But all is well
I have the sr8012 and running 7.2.4 - so 9 channels is not an option. Then I need a power amp for the fronts - and that can be done- but then I would prefer a 3 channel amp - in matching design - as I’m running a big center channel that needs the same as my fronts.
I honestly really miss recently the clinical transparency of B&W speakers. And I’m really curious about the 600 S3 series review, can’t wait for that. I love my ML, but the highs feel more and more rolled off in a lot of music for me and feels like there’s no air. I like a warm sound, but I’ve always found Marantz being too soft and warm. Sony would be my choice for sure. Plus, I’m terrible at leaving the setup half way done so their spatial magic is very handy. Great review and I’m glad y’all switched to one video a week. Keep up the awesome work and extending our love for music through your channel.
Vadym I really wish I understood the term rolled off better. I am not sure our perception of “clinical transparency” is the same but I so appreciate your thoughts. ❤️
@@LeezahB so for me personally, B&W has always been about detail, bass control and utter transparency, meaning minimum coloration, like Marantz has that warmth, B&W has some sterility to the sound. Strong words, I know, since they have a sound to them as well, just a different kind. And by roll off I mean the Tweeter just completely stops playing after a certain frequency since it cannot reproduce past that point, even if there is anything in the recording. Like my Martin Logan tweeter goes to 25Khz, and after that there’s nothing there. Most B&W tweeters go way past that, and although most ears can’t hear anything past 20Khz usually, your ear can feel the pressure of the sound changing, and I call that airiness. You can’t hear it, but you feel it there. ML rarely has that effect, while B&W always felt more “alive” up top. That’s pretty much it.
@@gavriushka Thanks for this explanation, my friend! I am not an expert in numbers, but I feel that my new speakers (Buchardt S400 MKII), paired with my Model 40N give me plenty of detail without being clinical, with a touch of warmth, and the bass is sooo good! I am sure some might find my pairing too warm or not perceived as detailed enough, but it's just what I was looking for. I don't think a certain warmth or fullness by definition has to mean no detail or airiness. It's just so interesting how subjective our hearing is in relation to perception. I find some speakers are too thin, or too forward and bright. I listen to a varied style of music, but since a huge part of that listening is of operatic recordings, I would find some speakers too bright for extended listening of high sopranos (for instance) wailing high E's etc. I find all music enjoyable and musical with my new system, and am so grateful there are options for all of us. 🥰💖😘
I have marantz cinema 70 with external stereo power amp and coming form expensive Nad T778 to tis 70 I'm completely amazed how good it sounds! Sold the Nad !
As Pauly Fuemana (rest in peace) said: "How Bizarre". I asked the very question about the 70 that was partially the subject of this video! First, thanks for answering my forum question. Second, seeing this review reinforced my decision to take your recommendation on the 70. (However, I ordered the 3 channel Emotiva BasX amp due to the expense of the Xpa series. What a great help you have been to me.) Twice! I really enjoy your channel
Andrew, when you do these listening tests, receiver vs receiver, what is your A/B listening approach? Are you using a speaker level switcher to take the receiver speaker outputs and do a side by side?
I have the old Marantz AVR8003 pre and matching mm8003 power amp. It sounds like I would be better off swapping to the cinema 70 to use with my existing power amp rather than a cinema 40? I only have 7 speakers in total and have no plans to add to that, so would I be better off just saving the money on the 70 rather than getting the 40? thoughts? Its a shame Sony don't do a cheaper version with pre -outs too?
Hello Andrew wouodnyou recommend with Focal chora setup diffusers the marrantz cinema 40 over the yamaha A6 and A8 for HT? planning on doing a 7.2.4 with adding ext amplifier
I just purchased the Marantz 40 and out of the box it was ok but honestly it took a bit of working with the Direct to get its full potential out of it... I still don't think I'm getting 100% yet. I will say using the Dreadnaught amp instead of the internal amplifer was much better...
Hi Andrew - I have watched your channel for a few years but am only now in a position to act on some of your recommendations like this awesome receiver. I want new speakers to go with it in my theater room/studio. What speaker system would you recommend that I pair this with, do you have a 7 or 9 channel speaker system you recommend?
Thanks for the video. I have been saving and I plan to give myself a new sound this Christmas, especially for watching movies at home. I have heard very good reviews of Sony, but when you invest so much money you want the best in quality/price and your comparisons are the best.
While I like the Dirac option, at $349 I would use Audyssey and buy the $20 app for iPad, use target curve 2, and make adjustments to simulate a result closer to the Harmann curve to the degree that suits your ear. It can be tricky, but it is doable.
In the marketing material the C40 is said to have better quality components than the C50. Does this mean better quality parts does not equal better sound, if the main difference between these two is the rated power?
I've owned the Cinema 40 for about 4 months and have been very happy with it. Recently I was in a hifi store and had a demo of the Focal Kanta 2's. I absolutely fell in love with their sound. Do you think the Cinema 40 would be able to drive the Kanta 2s? Or would I be better off sticking to to something like the Aria line?
Thinking and thinking some more about going Marrantz cinema 50 and a ones in a lifetime Amp10 behind it. Then add another B4s makes 2 subs placed to the back of my couch. Moving my B&W 703 s2 to the back and going for B&W 702 s3 in the front. It’s going to take a few years of thinking and then thinking some more!🧐 it’s got to be done!
I'm on the lookout for a new reciver, and the Cinema series seems really interesting. I've been specifically looking for recivers with room correction. But as an Anthem MRX520 owner, I'm kinda sad that you have to pay an additional $250 to $350 for Dirac Live for the Cinema series when ARC is included in Anthem recivers. Does anyone know how Audyssey compares to Anthems ARC?
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omg I had bought this marantz 40 to use with my klipsch ref premiere, will sound good? I see you don't recommends with klipsch only b&w etc
@@thiagodelgado3128 No worries Cinema40 sounds fantastic with klipsch!
Andrew, you are giving a sence that you skip calibration because you have some pride calibrating manually. I think that is wrong, and you are way to biased in that regard. You really should try and give Dirac a real chance, and use it for a couple of weeks or even up to a month. I'm sure, when you go back to none calibration mode, you will think, how the heck could you live without! Switching between calibartion modes quickly is not a good way to judge anything.
Dirac Bass Control and ART is coming later this year, and it will accelerate away from your beloved SONY even further. Great review!
@@Exalix I have only a question about sony, DOES sony calibration and 360 change the original record for more vivid sound like yamaha AI sound? because seems that do that to bem considered better than dirac and audyssey
I got the 40 because of the remote, features and looks. Sony 7000 looks old remote looks bad. The 40 is just a beautiful piece!! Sounds great with keff r3 meta indigo blue! Just starting my theater setup.
I donn't know if you know this Andrew but Sony doesn't sell the ES line of AV receivers in Europe. Keep that in mind in future reviews. Cheers.
I loved the review and I have been waiting for months to hear your non biased review and opinion. But, I am highly disappointed that the Marantz C-40 was not compare to the Denon AVR-X4800H which is in the same class. How much longer do we to wait for you to finally compare these two excellent reciever side by side?
I'm so happy with Bose 600 and surrounds thanks to your review. The dialog is crystal clear. Love your videos. I'm someone who owned Mark Levinson and Magneplanars. But recently I went the simple way. Thx!
I bought the Cinema 50 a few weeks ago - a little nervously as I had been waiting for this review of the Cinema 40 and didn’t want to feel I was missing out. No regrets at all, and I didn’t need to purchase Dirac. It’s only a 5.0 surround system and Audyssey worked wonders.
I'm curious how you would stack the Denon X4800H against the Marantz Cinema 50/40. Are you planning on reviewing that model?
I bought the Cinema 40 and like it very much. I'm still using a power amplifier via pre-out to an Emotiva XPA-200 gen 1 powering a pair of Kef R3 fronts and matching R series center channel. Using LS50s as surround speakers. I have the Kef R3s sitting on top of the SVS SB3000 subs using iso stands. The sub is tuned using Cinema manual setup and tuning. Sounds excellently blended and the optional directional L and R low frequency signals make it a great stereo experience. I'm using 80hz crossover to the subs. I could probably use 60hz crossover but I like SVS sub being more involved in the frequency curve.
Ooooo idea for another video…”Home Theater Lingo” in other words, what do enthusiasts mean by words like “bright, weight, warm, depth, range, full etc.” That could be fun and add to our knowledge a bit…
A bright sound usually means the highs overwhelm the rest of the sound. A warm sound usually means the highs are not as prominent. Weight and full usually means the sound has a lot of punch or force behind it. Depth usually refers to the midrange where the singer and instruments are in their proper space from front to rear. For instance, a forward sounding midrange will make a singer sound closer to you than the recording engineer intended. Imaging refers to a singer and instruments belonging in their proper space from left to right. For instance a singer should sound like they're lright in the middle between the speakers, in a good system, if you concentrate on the singer the left and right speaker will appear like they're not even playing. In a great live recording, you may hear the singer's voice move left or right as they move across the stage.
Range usually refers to the ability to accurately reproduce sound from the lowest lows to the highest highs.
Hope this helps.
@@marvinmurakami8828 that’s a fantastic and helpful explanation! Now help me with my taxes…😄😄😄
@@michael-4k4000 pro calibration uses a machine that is highly sensitive to light and color, coupled with a computer to read the results and help you to calibrate to a baseline.
E.g. what is red? I could show you thousands of variations that you would call "red", but there is a pure baseline 'red' when we talk about calibration. Like music, movie and film are calibrated to a specific color balance, specific white balance. They use calibrated equipment so the baseline is standardized and so when we say that hat should be red, we know specifically what we're referencing
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@@marvinmurakami8828Thank you! This was excellent !!💖
I think the Cinema 70 and 50 are the best options for most people. The 70 has as many channels as the 60 but less power. But with the money saved, you can buy a multi-channel power amplifier and still get to roughly the same price as the 60. Also, it's form factor is more approachable and will fit into more cabinets. Increasingly, a lot of TV stands that aren't purpose built home theatre media consoles don't fit these larger receivers. Or just upgrade straight to the Cinema 50 and get more channels as well. The 40 is quite a bit more expensive than the 50 without offering too much more.
The Cinema 40 is made in with better components and is made in the Shirakawa plant in Japan. I'm been curious about Dirac but I think I have a nearly optimal sound figured out without it.
I went with the Denon x4800h which is similar to the Cinema 40. I got it for Dirac which was able to bring some depth back to my speakers that I need to have on semi enclosed shelves (compromises). Huge improvement over no eq and Audyssey no matter how much I tweaked it. Sony 7000 interested me but early buyers were finding software bugs though it had a false start where some retailers were selling it before others. So maybe it just wasn't ready yet. Happy with the Denon though!
Interesting that you prefer the sound without Dirac. I found that a few days listening to my front floorstanders and careful positioning to optimize 2 channel listening, then moving on to the entire multichannel setup and then running correction - it was the cherry on top to reach AUDIO ECSTASY.
How does it compare to the 8015 which was reviewed a little over a year ago? Looks and Dirac aside, the big difference is the lack of a toroidal which puts the Cinema 40 closer to a 7000 series.
Which do you prefer / is better? -> Cinema 40 / Denon X4800H / Yamaha A6A
Also curious about this...
If you like stereo music stay away from the Denon AVR.
An avid music listener.
Thank you, bought this receiver and I must admit that the sound quality is so much better then my previous Yamaha 775 receiver with Magnat 1109 speakers as fronts. Stereo music is much more controlled, details in the upper frequencies sound nicer to the ears with more detail. Surround effects with movies are stronger and have a more surround sound then before.
Wow, I was sort of afraid to admit that I prefer my Marantz 60 without room correction or general EQ. Something just starts to sound off as soon as I add any adjustments and I gave Audyssey a real honest try again here. I just set the distances, crossovers, and then levels by ear. I feel dirty, but it sounds better, what can I say? I kept toggling back and forth scratching my head.
Once I had Dirac and REW I never want to go back. There is a great video on UA-cam where the Audessy team admits on the Denon channel where the room correction often drops lots of corrections because the real-time processor can’t process them all. As server specialist for over 30 years specializing in real-time global non-stop systems it saddens me to hear that the systems are under specked and I’m not surprised to see Denon Marantz move to Dirac.
But the future is Dirac Art if it eventuates. It’s room correction solution is a game changer. And Art will need sone serious processing. It’s in the Storm Audio. Check it out. Dirac Art.
Agreed. I've never been happy with Audyssey. Makes everything sound wonky and dull.
I got the Cinema 70s for the bedroom, and I am here to tell the readers...it has balls! Don't let the 50wpc fool you; you always have pre-outs if needed.
I went with the Cinema 60 in order to stay below the $2K mark. It was about twice what I paid for my last AVR and it sounds amazing. Best user interface of any AVR I’ve ever seen! Your video on the first 2023 Marantz you reviewed (I think it was the 50?) was a big part of my decision, so thank you!
I am wondering why you have not review denon x4800h? Well I know the x4800h is almost the same as x3800h, but i really want to know if there is any good between those from your point of view. Hope to see your review on x4800h in the future. I also like to watch if you will review the audiolab 8300xp too. Thanks a lot.
I went that rabbit hole . Loved my Marantz AV 7005 . When it was time for repairs it was dated . Unable to get parts I had a big brick .The price of a new precessor is over 3.5k I went back to 2 channes.
Really love that you discussed the whole Marantz line-up.
Yep, Audyssey for first setup followed by ear after some break in and updates, as I have an off center great room. I do need the 8015 for the power as I am driving large speakers and mounted heights. The 80db is perfect for 7.2.4 and it runs cooler than my old 7010 did.
Great video as always! One note. A discussion of the reported bugs with the new Sony AVRs (from the 7000 to the an1000) such as reported hiss and loud clunk noises would have been nice. I tried two an1000 because I liked it for the same reasons as in your review but both units suffered from terrible hiss and clunking noise. This is widely reported on forums. I ended up with the x3800h and it has been flawless.
Waiting for review of Denon 4800. Marantz for music and great look and Denon for movies?
Living in Europe, my assessment of the Cinema 40, which I've owned for a couple of months, is different as it is priced here only slightly above the Denon 4800 and significantly below the RZ70 (or the Integra DRH 8.4 which retails at almost twice the street price of the Marantz). For 2000-2500€, the Cinema 40/Denon 4800 feature set compares favorably with anything in its price range (Even including the promised full Dirac DLBC, it is cheaper than the Onkyo RZ70 which offers 2 extra channels of amplification, but has only 2 sub outputs).
Switching from a much older silver Rotel (RSX1055), I'm not impressed by the built quality or the look of my silver Cinema 40, but I have no complaint over the feature set (including an informative display which is a good substitute for the Marantz app when not using a projector/TV, the 3 assignable triggers and amplifiers, the GUI and the web interface)... I wish it had XLR outs for the front channels and subs, but that's about it... There are also a few software bugs, but it seems all current brands suffer from similar or worse issues.
Great review 👏
Expected a comparison with Denon x4800h and some technical information about audio processing side like DAC ....etc
Hi Andrew. Greetings from Turkey. I like to ask you that since you pointed that alot of people wont use dirac and also cinema 40 and 50 dont have that much of power diff. Would you rank SR8015 over cinema 40? I think i would. I am curios of what you think on cinema 40 vs SR8015
You can save yourself $1,550 by going with the nearly identical Marantz 7015. The Cinema 40 is more or less a 7015 with some updates. Do you really need 4 independent sub channels? It puts on quite a show!
Thank you. I was wondering about the 7015 when comparing specs.
I think it's also $1k off on sale.
7015 also has analog 7.1 inputs for SACD. This channel gave a rave review to the SR8015 a few months ago…
I bought a 7015 on Amazon Prime day for less than $1000. Deal of the century.
It was a Marantz reconditioned, but looks brand new and it works great. Zero regrets.
The 7015 was recently on sale for $1500 brand new at Amazon. $2k saving. Much better buying the old range on sale. Was exactly the same with the kef R11s. Non meta version was on sale for 50% off. A billy bargain. No way the 40 or R11 metas are worth that much more.
With the Cinema 40 at 1800,- euros right now, what are the actual alternatives? The Cinema 30 over here is pretty much twice the price.... For that budget I can add Emotiva XPA for more channels and power.. Any thoughts?
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I have cinema 50 with xpa 3 channel , sounds great
Thank you...this review TOTALLY reinforces many reviews of Marantz previously sought out...just LOVE the aesthetics, BUT like the sharpness and attack of a Sony or Pioneer (SC-09TX).
Would it be correct to say that there would be no audible difference between the Cinema 40 and 50 if an external amplifier is powering the speakers?
Potentially, yes.
Great video - thanks. I have realised while watching this channel that I enjoy the interactions and dialogue between you and Kristy just as much as the nerdy details about the equipment on test - it's a real testament to the chemistry as partners and a great way to differentiate your channel from myriad AV channels available. Well done!
I stick with my Marantz SR7013. It does everything I need and a ton I don't need. If I was in the market, the 40 would be my buy.
Does it really matter which AVR you get and their power output if you plan on using it as a PRE amp and getting a dedicated AMP like a emotiva for each channel? Cant decide between the Marantz 40 or 50??
Sound quality comes from the components within the AVR. Not the power amp. By adding a poweramp you're just giving yourself more of what's already been established.
I recently went with a 5000ES over Marantz Cinema50. Happy with my decision
Is your es5000 trouble free it’s on my short list rz50 had Wi-Fi issues so i sent it back
OK. Andrew, quick shot: sonically, in direct stereo mode your choice is: Marantz Cinema 40 or Onkyo TX-RZ50?
Andrew, I tried this Marantz and the Anthem at home and kept the Anthem. There is more clarity and easiness of driving speakers from Anthem that made me kept it. Needless to say about Anthem Arc and supplied microphone usb-c calibrated.
Great review! I really wanted to get the Cinema 40, but I ended up getting the Denon X4800H instead. After watching your review, I think I made the right choice. Denon is still using the old design, but I'm glad the UI is new and the software is snappier on the X4800H compared to my X1600H. The X4800H is also more affordable than the Cinema 40, and I've always wanted a made-in-Japan unit. I guess the X4800H met my needs.
With the exception of the HDAMs, I think the 40 and 4800h are identical except in price and someone was saying the 4800h is the better buy given the fact that it's a grand cheaper. Look at the images from the top. It makes sense because they just have to manufacture 1 unit with a different board.
However, some folks are picking up the 7015 for $1,500 in Europe which is technically a Cinema 40 with fewer subs, 1 HDMI 2.1 port and no support for Dirac (but eArc is there) and the old fascia for less than a Cinema 60...
@@techsamurai11 You’re right about the HDAM. The X4800H is based on the older X4700H design, but it has a new internal amplifier design.
The SR7015 is a great pre/pro, but I think anything prior to 2020 has a HDMI issue with certain 4K/120Hz sources. Consider SR8015 instead. In fact, I almost bought a used SR8015 unit. I did have a hard time choosing between the used SR8015, Cinema 40, and Cinema 50.
The X4800H was released in July 2023 here, and I immediately bought it because what I need is all in the X4800H (missing two channels and has three subwoofer outputs, but I think I can live with that).
I really hope this generation of Marantz and Denon receivers will get Dirac ART support.
I’ve heard that they’re working on it but nothing is confirmed yet.
The upgrade will most likely cost 900€+ but Dirac art is absolutely worth every penny
Thanks for another great review. These new marantz look killer in silver.
Currently deciding how much i value having surround sound in the future, aka, deciding between the cinema 70s + amps and the model 40n. Both set ups are appealing.
I just replaced my old Marantz and really do like this receiver. The one thing I don’t like is when it is switching audio formats the screen cuts out for a second, so to workaround you really have to send the picture to the TV and just audio to receiver.
noticed this too occasionally have some issues.
I really only use music stereo modes but DD DSP for some content and the first DD DSP for movie content. I use multi channel stereo for certain dance music.
Would be really curious how the Cinema 30 will stack up to the rest.. Seems like that one packs even more.
And then there is that beast, the Denon A1H.. However that thing is pretty much twice the price of most receivers here.
for how much companies wanna charge for avrs. they should all be stable to 4ohms and over 150 watts as well. it’s like ferrari selling a car for 300k and u get 90hp. 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
Andrew, I currently own the Cinema 40 and the Sony 7000, and I think you are spot on in this review.
For everyday TV (Dish Network) I prefer the Marantz with no room correction and an old-fashioned manual setup. I could never quite get the sound of the Sony to match it.
For movies via disc or streaming the Sony wins by a hair, but I do use the Audyssey EQ app set to flat for movie listening with the Marantz.
For music in my room, I was stunned at the Sony quality. With pure direct on both the Sony and Marantz streaming from a Blue Sound Node 2i from my NAS or Amazon Music I can not get the Marantz to match the Sony. I have used both analog and digital outputs when listening. The Marantz still sounds good but not great.
At the current time, I have the Marantz in action and am working with REW and DSPmini to try to improve the bottom end. Then I am going to switch back to the Sony and compare again.
When my old processor pooped out back in the winter I started with an Anthem 1140 but the user interface and operational bug had me crying uncle after about 6 weeks.
Keep up the good work!!!!
Great comparison- would you mind sharing speakers you use and configuration?
Would you mind sharing the speakers you are using and configuration?
Using Goldenear triton 2+, Center XXL, Surrounds Super Sat 3, don't remember the ceiling model number. In a 7.3.2 set up. 2 subs from the powered 2+ and 1 SVS SB13 ultra.@@jccat-uv8zb
I think you're not the only one with golden ears 😂 He's surprisingly spot on in his reviews of equipment.
I'm in shock that both you and Andrew prefer the system without Room EQ. I can probably understand Andrew's reasoning because he has treated his room and has a bass dip that he probably manually deals with and can manually set it up without having to go through the painstaking iterations and microphone setups that mere mortals like myself have to go through. But Room EQ is considered by many folks as the primary factor to buy an AVR.
It's interesting that the opinions can vary that much. I'm in-between.
I use room EQ (Audyssey) with movies and streaming shows. None on Dish Network and music. The Sony does not have conventional room EQ like Audyssey or Dirac. The Sony measures and tries to optimize your speakers so they are in the optimal location. And sadly at my age, my ears are more tin than gold but I can still tell good from bad sound.@@techsamurai11
Sony str-az7000es is not available in Europe, however the Marantz cinema line is.
Marantz is much cheaper in EU than in US. E.g the Cinema 40 can be bought for 1,900EUR (2,000USD) in EU, compared to US price 3,500USD. Sony str-az7000es US price is 3,200USD.
So the situation in EU is as follows: Cinema 40 is 1,200 USD cheaper than Sony str-az7000es. For that money there is no question which one to prefer even if in EU the Sony would be available.
Yes, the Dirac will need to be purchased separately, however ... DIRAC ART is coming to Marantz and Denon top of the lines of AVRs. And that my friends is a game changer.
..ya moustly 1900€ Cinema 50, but we are dealing with 360°spatial sound mapping from Sony, and with this ONLY Sony ta-an 1000 in EU, dos'nt have pre-out, but cost like 1000€, need advise if Marantz even Cinema 50 Is beter way without 360°ssm, cinema 50 has auro but, need DVD movies in that So you can hear it, Sony 360°ssm can be turn on even on 5.1 or in stereo also, isnt that beter option?! I dont know, but looks like Andrew R. know very well..! If we have in EU es line like str-az5000es or even 3000es, I will like to try for sure..
..cinema 50 can drive 4subs, ya but you need big space for that, if you dont have it, you dont use it..in that case, one sub is more than ok😅
..but still like Cinema 50 in silver/gold, looks newly and fresh
Hello! love your reviews and not least the mic quality, I'm considering buying a marantz cinema 40 or 50 I'm going to use an emotiva power amplifier on the fronts and am not sure if there is any difference in pre amp mode between the two. any thoughts on that?
I primarily listen to multichannel music (SACD, DVD-A and Blu-ray Audio). Between the Marantz Cinema 40 and the Sony ES7000 reviews, I'm getting the impression the Marantz might sound a little better for music, with the Sony's surround capabilities being a bit better due to its 360 spatial sound mapping. Just curious if anyone had any thoughts on this comparison and which might be the better option for surround based, immersive audio
I'm thinking the same thing, it seems like the Sony is better for movies while the Marantz is better for music.
I have a SR8015 with 7.2.4 set up an love it. The Cinema 40 is not true replacement for the SR8015 I wonder if a Cinema 30 is on the cards.
I has to be - Crutchfield is listing the 8015 as "Discontinued" - so there is no way Marantz is going to let a 9.4, 125W, AVR be its top of the line, flagship - especially with everyone else (including Denon, its sister company) having 11, 13, 15 channels and 140W-150W as their flagships.
@@gb3496Yeah but the Cinema 40 is competing with those AVRs in price. If they do launch a Cinema 30 to replace the 8015 with a toroidal, they'd charge $4,500-$5,000 for it. Plus they need a Denon identical model which would be the AVR-X8500HA that goes for $4,600 and weighs 52lbs - Marantz AVRs are usually under 40 so it would be a form-factor departure.
For $5,000+, it makes no sense to buy the Cinema 30 when you can get a RZ50 and a 7 channel BASX amp. Now you have separates and way more power as you can use the RZ50 for all surrounds (very little power usage) and bi-amp your LCR to get the most out of your premium speakers. The BasX is rated at 125 watts for 2 channels and 90 watts at 7 channels. I think those are conservative figures to avoid cannibalizing XPA sales.
Well the 3,000 dollar receiver market is not in the cards for me. Not that I couldn't afford it, but they really are overkill for my needs (smaller room). But you have me seriously considering the Cinema 70 series to replace my aging 2005 Denon 2805. It's still alive and kicking but horrendously outdated at this point. Plus I have recently purchased a Cambridge AX35 for 2 channel use and I think mixing this with the 70 would be a great match. Great reviews Andrew and Kristi. I think you are one of the better channels for layman audiophiles like me. A good mix of moderately high and low end reviews with plenty of detailed info to make an informed decision. Keep up the good work!
THE review we've been waiting for. Thank you Kristi & Andrew.
Our two channel music only system is complete. Want a video/movie centered receiver with Atmos and have gone back & forth between Sony AZ5000ES & Martantz Cinema 50 for a month.
Choosing the Sony ES to pair with Emotiva XPA-5 to power Monitor Audio Silver speakers and Sony amps to power Atmos ceiling speakers for a 5.2.4 system.
That was as honest & direct a review that I expect from you. Thank you again. 👍
Do you get hiss with spatial audio when they are supposed to be silent?
@@techsamurai11 Sony is on order
I like Dirac used in the XMC-1, but an extra $400 for the Marantz 50 when Integra DRX 5.4 is no extra cost... The Sony ES line has always been a quality buy and I suspect they will release a firmware update for the "hiss" issue with some, but not all owners.
I've loved my Cinema 50 paired with the Polk R700s. I wouldn't say that Audyssey (or however you spell it) got me where I needed to be, but close enough that I could tweak it a little here and there for my personal taste.... but I also wouldn't spend the extra $$$ they want, just to get Dirac.... I feel kind of jipped that I spent that much on a receiver and now they want me to spend MORE for a little feature to make it 'better'? Should have just been a firmware update that everyone gets that has spent that kind of money on one of their products if you ask me.... kind of soured me a little towards Marantz - but I still love the Cinema 50. Thanks for all the great work you both put into these!!!
The other way is they just increase the base MSRP and then everyone gets it if they want it or not. For most they won’t setup Dirac even if it was included.
I wanna see a dedicated video on Sony Spatial Mapping vs Dirac
Would the Cinema 40 (85W per channel, 5-channels driven) be a good pairing with a 5.1 Bowers & Wilkins 702 S3 setup? Or would you wait for the Marantz 8015 replacement?
The Cinema 40 drove the B&Ws on its own just fine!
Great review! How is the stereo sound quality for music listening of the cinema 40 compared to the model 40n?
This one or the onkyo rz50 / Onkyo 7100?
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I don’t know a lot about receivers, but I bought some fancy speakers (7.1) and feel like I should upgrade my receiver. I have a Yamaha RX-A2A. I’m curious how much difference I would notice if I upgraded to something like this.
Great review of the Marantz C40 - looks phenomenal, and LOVE the menu system. Marantz sets the standard on Menus. As a Denon x2600H owner, I was hemming and hawing over upgrading to the C40's smaller brothers, the C60 or C50 as we moved some items around from one room to another. ...I also thought of the x3800H. ...but instead, I took a little gamble, and I'm not second guessing my Anthem MRX 540 8K at all. Once the upgrading and set-up is over, which can be a PITA, the Anthem is SO good - the sound quality is outstanding, especially (as you and Kristi noted) for music. ...and that's a big reason I went with Anthem - they make M106 speakers just sing for both movies and music. And the fact you get 100wpc for 5 channels driven (or in the case of the 740 8K - 140wpc 5 channels driven, and 60wpc for 2 surround channels driven), it's not lacking in power, especially during movies.
How long did it take you to setup the Anthem? I thought about buying the Anthem MRX 540 8K but hear many issues with firmware/display bugs and that the setup is overly complicated. What were your specific issues? Did running their ARC genesis have a major impact?
@@lukehoch9140 - you have to update the firmware right away, or the Anthem will give you fits. Once downloaded, you have to restart the receiver for the Anthem to install the firmware updates. It can take 20-30 minutes for the entire process. But me being a newb, took me a few hours to figure out while I was on the phone with Crutchfield - they’ll walk you through it if you have any questions.
The Anthem web-interface on a laptop certainly works. It just looks crude. It’s nothing you can’t really do on a Denon or Marantz through their on-screen menus.
You can access most of these menu on-screen, but it’s 100% archaic. Much easier to use on a laptop synced with the Anthem receiver.
That’s the fussy part. Once you’re beyond that, using the anthem is a piece of cake. I never have a need to look at the menu any longer. Just use the remote to turn the receiver on and off, and change volume really. lol
One thing I wish the Anthem receiver had was a “stereo” button, to automatically switch music to 2 channel music. Then a “movies” button to get back to surround sound. It’s a simple hoop I jump through using AppleTV with Apple’s lossless music app. Not really a biggie. But again, it’s such a simple feature, every remote for an AVR should have it.
I only have a 4.1 system, so I didn’t need a 7 channel, much less a 9 channel receiver. The sound quality in the end is so worth it. The clarity, detail, nuance, separation, and soundstage is just outstanding. I love the fact all channels driven are 100watts. Plenty of beef for mains and surrounds for our listening viewing space.
ARC - Our space isn’t overly complex nor huge, so ARC didn’t make as much of big deal as it would in a room with a wonky ceiling, open walls to the left or right, or strange room shape.
Just another great review Andrew, well done. Can u please , please, please get your hands on the Denon A1H. I would absolutely love to get your thought on this piece.
I have the SR7015...equal of the C40 in specs...in my main living room and a 70 Slimline with Emotiva 3ch powering the LCR's and an Emotiva 4ch filling the rest of my base layer in my larger entertainment room for $2200 all in. Sonically and with distinctly more scale if my two systems got into a fistfight the SR7015 would leave with a hole punched in its chest...good job by the way, as always....slick
Can people with Marantz recievers please comment on their longevity please? Are receivers such as this that are used to amplify and decode sound last for 7-10 years? Or would it be better to just go seperates?
If it helps, I bought my dad a basic Marantz NR1504 (the Cinema 70 is the modern equivalent) in 2014 and it's been used at modest to medium volumes every day without fault.
Another great video you two. I'm one of the people you referred to, bought the Cinema 50 for Dirac capabilities but have yet to use it since it sounds so good without any correction. No regrets on spending extra for the 50 though, always a Marantz fan. Can't wait for the next review.
The receiver looks amazing - best in class looks. Thinking of going with the Sony 5000ES. What are the pros and cons compared to this Marantz 40? I would be looking to get speakers too - a floor stander pair and center maybe from SF lumina line and a sub. Please let me know if you have recommendations.
Thanks so much for all the hard work you both put into these videos. The hard work comes across clearly as pure quality!
Thanks! now I am more in doubt then ever :D I was looking towards the Cinema 40, but maybe not good enough for the Magnat 1109 speakers + additional surround speakers when watching movies. The idea of the Cinema 70 with an Emotiva is a nice idea, only the Emotiva is hard to get in Europe and kind expensive (2600 Euros) + the Cinema 70. I can buy the Cinema 40 for ~2300 Euro.
@Andrew what would you recommend? Or is it worth looking in the Cinema 40 or 50 in Bi-Amping mode for the more juice?
I love this idea! I have the Marantz Model 30 Integrated and am using an old Outlaw 975 ht processor/pre (putting the M30 into Power Amp mode for home theater only. All other sources go directly to the M30. This seems like the Perfect update to the aging 975 for someone like me who really only needs a 5.1 for HT, but desires a higher standard for audio (analog vinyl etc). I hope they keep this series.
I do like the sound of marantz as a brand. I’m struggling to keep the numbers straight but if I were getting one of their receivers I might consider going all the way up to the 40 as I still own all my old games consoles and having them just work would be nice.
Question to the reviewers out there: Why you never cover topics that are actually relevant to day-to-day operations? For example, my current Denon receiver can double up as a space heater. But no reviewer mentioned that it's running hot when I was choosing it😮
Very valid question chum. I'm forever waiting for a really negative review of ANY amp or AVR from any of the big reviewers. I suspect it will never happen due to the brown envelopes involved.
My Yamaha 3060 decided it wants to intermittently cut out whenever it pleases....of course it's just out of warranty yet it got and still gets rave reviews.
Great review. Just got my C40 a week ago, preowned less than 5months for less than $2200. Using it to replace my NR1710. My setup includes pairing it with Mcintosh MA5300, Sonus Faber Lumina III and Lumina Center. Still using my old sub from B&W AS608, and the surrounds and atmos speakers consist of DALI SPEKTOR2 and SS-CSE. I am still only using Audyssey for my setup, however i notice this time round the bass calibration is different from the NR1710, and the results were very positive. Overall bigger soundstage and details when watching my usual streaming stuff like Netflix, Amazon & Plex. My only wish is they can make it not so heavy in the future lol.
No analog 7.1 inputs for SACD. Is this actually better than the SR8015? Too many “best ever” classifications.
yeah it shows the maturity of the AVR industry - the Cinema 40 is technically a Denon 4800h (also made at the Shirakawa facility) which afaik has identical parts to the Cinema 40 and is $1,000 cheaper.
Look at the Onkyo RZ70, Integra DRX-8.4, and Pioneer LX805 - the inside is identical with the preouts being the biggest difference among the models.
The biggest thing to shake the industry up are the new Sonys which is the only thing that may deliver Trinnov-level spatial mapping but I haven't heard a recording of a Sony vs a Cinema 40. There's a video comparing the Anthem AVM90 and Trinnov Altitude 16 and the spatial effects of the Trinnov are superior even in the recording but it's out of reach and even the AVM90 would barely beat the 8015.
If anything, they are all looking at ways to reduce the costs and we've seen the disappearance of the toroidal transformer (Anthem and Rotel are the only two with toroidals at very high prices), arguably the most important audiophile component in an AVR. Sure EIs are great (look at Luxman or Denon is the usual retort) but I was looking at inside images of 30-40 smaller audiophile stereo receivers and they all had toroidal transformers with a French one having 2 of them in a monobloc design so yeah EI is great...
The 8015 at least sports the toroidal transformer of yesteryear that my 3 8002s also have. Anyway, I'm getting a RZ50 so I can test Dirac. We shall see how it fares...
I wish you would have covered the setup and config of this receiver. With additional settings such as Dialog Enhancement and dedicated 2-channel mode you're leaving a lot on the table regarding the capabilities of this excellent AVR and I would have liked to see how some of those options compared to the Sony, Onkyo and others.
Another great review. Andrew u need to review anthem avm90, arcam , audio control before u say the 14k marantz pre/pro is worth that kinda money. Audessy at 14k for that stack is crazy town. I picked the integra drx 8.4 over the marantz 40. Dirac is worth more. Xlr in/outputs worth more, bigger internal amp atmos surround duty work. I like the sound better. In the real world more people will benefit from dirac than 4 sub outs.
Do you prefer class AB , D or G/H amplification ?
Thanks for the hint at the very end of the video! Looking forward to that B&W 606 S3 review!! can't wait!!!
So I've watched this review in its entirety and i must say...i love it. I've tried the cinema 40/50 and rxa8a. I love the yamaha but my choice will be the c40. The yamaha voice in movies is the winner but there's something about the c40 that distinguishes itself from the others... albeit small but still to my hearts content.
Lovely review by the both of you and only wished that you guys touch on the independent subwoofer option.
Some one asked about Marantz quality. I have been in this hobby over 50 years and never had one quit! I still have my 1200 control integrated made in Sothern California got in 1970's still works never serviced. No it is not for sale!
You are confusing the brand name with the actual products. The new products are designed and made by very different people. For example, the still expensive Cinema 50 is made in Vietnam. This reminds me of Japanese watches; only some of them are actually made in Japan.
Thank you for your reply, I noticed in this years Music Direct catalog that the ones that are made in Japan are so listed, a couple in huge letters. Hummm two lines? I sure enjoy your content, my big problem in up-grading is not to lose any functions I already enjoy (SACD) any ideas?@@michaels3003
So I didnt se a comparison with the denon x4800, ist it almost a sibling to the denon. And how does it compare😮
Hi Andrew. I am an older fan of stereo and electronics. I don't qualify as an audiophile, but definitely a bit of a snob and willing to pay more for quality. I used to build Heathkit products as a kid with my father who passed on his interests and love of music to me. Things have changed so much that I am not quite able to keep up. I do understand the concepts so I find your videos a great resource because you help sift down to the basics that help me grasp what's going on. I am from the old school where a lot of companies were highly respected such as McIntosh or Nakamichi were top of the line. I think that some of the old companies are not the same. We are going to buy a new system and I actually got my wife on board. We listened to the B&O Harmony and it sounded great but I couldn't help but wonder if putting together an entire system would be the better way to go. I found your channel and now I love your reviews. A salesman at another shop had me interested in the McIntosh but at about $8000. After hearing your reviews sanity has taken over and I am looking in the range of the Marantz Cinema 40, Sony 7000ES etc. That leaves me more money to upgrade the TV and speakers. Now I need to start thinking about speakers. Thank you for your great work!
I’m so so happy with my Sony es7000 but my room is wired for 4 subs. What’s should I do. Thank you 2 for everything life has gotten a little crazy busy. But all is well
I have the sr8012 and running 7.2.4 - so 9 channels is not an option. Then I need a power amp for the fronts - and that can be done- but then I would prefer a 3 channel amp - in matching design - as I’m running a big center channel that needs the same as my fronts.
Btw it’s the B&W 702s2 fronts and the htm1 D3 center. Works great 👍
I honestly really miss recently the clinical transparency of B&W speakers. And I’m really curious about the 600 S3 series review, can’t wait for that. I love my ML, but the highs feel more and more rolled off in a lot of music for me and feels like there’s no air. I like a warm sound, but I’ve always found Marantz being too soft and warm. Sony would be my choice for sure. Plus, I’m terrible at leaving the setup half way done so their spatial magic is very handy. Great review and I’m glad y’all switched to one video a week. Keep up the awesome work and extending our love for music through your channel.
I can’t wait to hear what Andrew and Kristi think of the new 600 series too.
Vadym I really wish I understood the term rolled off better. I am not sure our perception of “clinical transparency” is the same but I so appreciate your thoughts. ❤️
@@LeezahB so for me personally, B&W has always been about detail, bass control and utter transparency, meaning minimum coloration, like Marantz has that warmth, B&W has some sterility to the sound. Strong words, I know, since they have a sound to them as well, just a different kind. And by roll off I mean the Tweeter just completely stops playing after a certain frequency since it cannot reproduce past that point, even if there is anything in the recording. Like my Martin Logan tweeter goes to 25Khz, and after that there’s nothing there. Most B&W tweeters go way past that, and although most ears can’t hear anything past 20Khz usually, your ear can feel the pressure of the sound changing, and I call that airiness. You can’t hear it, but you feel it there. ML rarely has that effect, while B&W always felt more “alive” up top. That’s pretty much it.
@@gavriushka Thanks for this explanation, my friend! I am not an expert in numbers, but I feel that my new speakers (Buchardt S400 MKII), paired with my Model 40N give me plenty of detail without being clinical, with a touch of warmth, and the bass is sooo good! I am sure some might find my pairing too warm or not perceived as detailed enough, but it's just what I was looking for. I don't think a certain warmth or fullness by definition has to mean no detail or airiness. It's just so interesting how subjective our hearing is in relation to perception. I find some speakers are too thin, or too forward and bright. I listen to a varied style of music, but since a huge part of that listening is of operatic recordings, I would find some speakers too bright for extended listening of high sopranos (for instance) wailing high E's etc. I find all music enjoyable and musical with my new system, and am so grateful there are options for all of us. 🥰💖😘
Please review the new Integra DRX-8.4 11.4 AV Receiver. I am hearing that this unit is a beast!!
Where can you get the Integra 8.4?
Integra is not sending review units out claiming this receiver is meant for installers.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you for responding and letting me know. It would have been awesome to hear your take on this one.
Great review. I would rank the 70s either 2nd or 3rd. Having a separate amplifier should give you better results
I have marantz cinema 70 with external stereo power amp and coming form expensive Nad T778 to tis 70 I'm completely amazed how good it sounds! Sold the Nad !
@owisun85 what amp are you using?
As Pauly Fuemana (rest in peace) said: "How Bizarre". I asked the very question about the 70 that was partially the subject of this video! First, thanks for answering my forum question. Second, seeing this review reinforced my decision to take your recommendation on the 70. (However, I ordered the 3 channel Emotiva BasX amp due to the expense of the Xpa series. What a great help you have been to me.) Twice!
I really enjoy your channel
Andrew, when you do these listening tests, receiver vs receiver, what is your A/B listening approach? Are you using a speaker level switcher to take the receiver speaker outputs and do a side by side?
I have the old Marantz AVR8003 pre and matching mm8003 power amp. It sounds like I would be better off swapping to the cinema 70 to use with my existing power amp rather than a cinema 40? I only have 7 speakers in total and have no plans to add to that, so would I be better off just saving the money on the 70 rather than getting the 40? thoughts? Its a shame Sony don't do a cheaper version with pre -outs too?
Hello Andrew wouodnyou recommend with Focal chora setup diffusers the marrantz cinema 40 over the yamaha A6 and A8 for HT? planning on doing a 7.2.4 with adding ext amplifier
I just purchased the Marantz 40 and out of the box it was ok but honestly it took a bit of working with the Direct to get its full potential out of it... I still don't think I'm getting 100% yet.
I will say using the Dreadnaught amp instead of the internal amplifer was much better...
So the big questions, do I go with the Marantz C40 or the Onkyo RZ70? Also does anyone know what DACs the Marantz uses?
Hi Andrew - I have watched your channel for a few years but am only now in a position to act on some of your recommendations like this awesome receiver. I want new speakers to go with it in my theater room/studio. What speaker system would you recommend that I pair this with, do you have a 7 or 9 channel speaker system you recommend?
Thanks for the video. I have been saving and I plan to give myself a new sound this Christmas, especially for watching movies at home. I have heard very good reviews of Sony, but when you invest so much money you want the best in quality/price and your comparisons are the best.
Would something like the Marantz Cinema 60 be good for a pair of Martin Logan 60xti?
I just ordered the Cinema 30 last night
While I like the Dirac option, at $349 I would use Audyssey and buy the $20 app for iPad, use target curve 2, and make adjustments to simulate a result closer to the Harmann curve to the degree that suits your ear. It can be tricky, but it is doable.
Now the last comparison of 2023 should be the Primare spa25, that would round things out nicely.
Primare review would be nice 👍
I have the 50 and preferred my manual settings over audyssey.
Don't feel the need to spend the extra $$ for Dirac in my room.
In the marketing material the C40 is said to have better quality components than the C50. Does this mean better quality parts does not equal better sound, if the main difference between these two is the rated power?
like to know too. were you able to compare?
I've owned the Cinema 40 for about 4 months and have been very happy with it. Recently I was in a hifi store and had a demo of the Focal Kanta 2's. I absolutely fell in love with their sound. Do you think the Cinema 40 would be able to drive the Kanta 2s? Or would I be better off sticking to to something like the Aria line?
The Cinema 40 should have no issues driving the Kantas.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thanks Andrew, I very much appreciate your expertise! You and Kristi are the best:)
Thinking and thinking some more about going Marrantz cinema 50 and a ones in a lifetime Amp10 behind it. Then add another B4s makes 2 subs placed to the back of my couch. Moving my B&W 703 s2 to the back and going for B&W 702 s3 in the front. It’s going to take a few years of thinking and then thinking some more!🧐
it’s got to be done!
This is the way!
For apartment living applications, you can't go past the Cinema 70 👍
I'm on the lookout for a new reciver, and the Cinema series seems really interesting. I've been specifically looking for recivers with room correction.
But as an Anthem MRX520 owner, I'm kinda sad that you have to pay an additional $250 to $350 for Dirac Live for the Cinema series when ARC is included in Anthem recivers.
Does anyone know how Audyssey compares to Anthems ARC?