I feel like Horford deserves at least an “On the Cusp.” He’s a two time NCAA champion, 5 time all star, made an all defensive team and an All-NBA team, and he’s an NBA champion as a starter. He has pretty ridiculous longevity for a guy at his position and wherever he went, he won a lot.
LaMelo over Zion doesn't make sense to me. Feels like the same tier. Both guys have been super injured to start their careers. But we've seen that when Zion is healthy, he looks like a top 10 player who can carry a team. LaMelo still has some real issues with efficiency even when healthy. Plus, Zion has an extra All-Star appearance and is more likely to get All-Star appearances over the next few years due to being on a better team. Also, Zion won NPOY in college.
They have played the same amount of games even though Zion was drafted a year earlier. Zion just can't stay healthy and is obviously too injury prone, so he's on the wrong track. LaMelo isn't perceived to be injury prone fs so no reason to believe he's on the wrong track and will be injured as much as Zion going forward.
Zion is way to distracted with his off court antics. With that post recently he looks in great shape so hopefully he has a career year and plays most games
If he won more and he wasn’t so dislikable of a person, I’d say first ballot. Otherwise, I’ll say HOF. But I agree with you that he should be higher on the list. Harden and CP3 have made it farther in the playoffs, and that’s saying a lot.
@@I_am_trash2kso do you disagree or are you just hating. There have been a lot of first ballot HOFer that havent had the same peak as embiid and similar playoff woes who have been first ballot.
Bro embiid has 66% nba hof odds which is higher than lukas tatums and goberts. Hes easily making the hof. You literally had embiid there in your hof tiers a year ago lol. Dk why you backtracked. Also al horford probabaly will get in. 5x all star with college championships and a ring is a lot.
Kyrie is one of the best (if not the best) ball-handlers of all-time. The casual fan looks at Draymond and Klay as Curry’s sidekicks. I think Draymond and Klay have more of an impact on the court in their prime than Kyrie did, but that’s not what we’re measuring. Iverson and Yao are two HOFers with a similar story, two with immense impacts on the game of basketball. Yao Ming as an ambassador to China, and Iverson being Iverson and everyone loving him.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622true but Iggy was only a big contributor on one of those teams. Horford was an all star level player for a decade and a starter for the rest.
People will discredit Tatum's medal with him being the 2nd scorer, an offensive fulcrum, and a versatile defensive wing, but will give credit to Booker who is an inefficient shotchucking cone of a guard who made no one better. Wild
Your tier lists arent that bad but if you think 7x all star 5x all nba with 2 scoring titles and an mvp isnt a hofer yet you have guys like PeeGee, Lowry and Rondo who all have way less accolades in then you are a very confused individual.
Way less? PG is a 9x all star(woulda been 10+ if he never broke his leg), 6x all nba, 4x all defensive, etc I get joel has a mvp but that’s all he has over him accolades wise
Jimmy needs to be at the same tier as Chris Paul, Gary Payton and John Stockton. Although PG & Dame are very good players, they've never been as dominant as Jimmy.
@chrissaint-louis488 I mean he's got two conference finals trophies as the best player & a conference finals MVP (I know no one cares about this). That's more playoff hardware than PG.
@@mrd1wan321 thats “hardware” no one else in the league has since it was literally just implemented. Even jimmy didn’t even wanna hold that trophy. Thats like saying we’re going to be taking into account the in-season tournament trophy in accolades too
@@chrissaint-louis488 PG got his stats but he's not better than Jimmy, no one will talk about PG after 20 years but Jimmy's underdog story will always be there the same with AI finals run and "We Believe" Baron Davis.
Tatum is for sure going to make the Hall of Fame at this point… What the hell are you thinking by only putting him at “On the right track”!?!? He’s the #1 option on a team that has made it to the Finals 2x and is the latest NBA Champion. Not to mention multiple All-Stars, 2 Olympic Gold Medals and he’s still only 26 years old…. Seriously! Don’t be a foolish hater. Cmon now.
DeRozan is in hall of fame with 6 all star appearances and 3 all nba teams (no first teams) while Tatum and Embiid are in on the right track. Tatum with 5x all star, 4x all nba (3 first teams), championship, gold medal (most likely 2 in a couple days). And then Embiid with 7x all star, 5x all nba (1 1st team), MVP, 3x all defensive and most likely a gold medal in a couple days. It doesn’t make sense at all 😂.
@ethanshirk561 tatum and embiid are deffo HOF idk what he saying but I do understand what demsr would be thar consisten scoring with longetitivity about to past 25k points and gonna be top 30 on the scoring leaderboard
Horford is 100% a lock. The ring solidified it. Even without it, he probably had 80% chance. He’s had a consistently good career and had a remarkable college career
i’m confused as to y u guys are acting like the basketball hall of fame is so prestigious how many 5 time all star haven’t made the hall honestly and he’s been playing since 06 so he’s a lock
If you think Jrue is “on the cusp” instead of a shoe in HOFer you’re crazy. If Jrue retired today, as the world class defender he has been, high PPG for a defense first PG, and with two rings, and about to have a gold medal??? You have guys in HOF who have way less accolades than Jrue. BG over Jrue is crazy. What was BG doing at 34 like Jrue is right now?
@@Teachingcasuals It's the hall of FAME not a herorgasm for some random mediocre role players. Tony Allen was good as well, you think he making the list some day?
This isn’t the fucking NBA hall of fame dude, that’s not a real thing. It’s the basketball hall of fame and with a chip, a good stat line, consistency, and last but not least… his perfect college career. Al Horford is literally a lock for the BASKETBALL hof… cmon man
SROS, 3 of the tiers are for "if he retired today" and 2 are future predictions for current/younger players. Which means they're no longer tiers, just different categories. For example with Aldridge ranked "higher" than Embiid. Why not have the same criteria for all tiers? Like "in 50 years, how likely is it he's in the HOF". Both rookies and retired players would be ranked on the exact same basis and the tiers could fall from most likely to least likely.
Absolute clown behavior putting Horford in the bottom tier. Be better man that’s laughably bad. Basketball HOF not just NBA. 3 rings (2 NCAA, 1 NBA) plus is still a major contributor on the Celtics. “Wasn’t a top 5 player on the team” acting like he didn’t start the majority of the playoffs and average over 30 minutes per game due to Porzingis’ injuries
@@freezybreezy1001 I get that but the bar is low enough for the nba hall of fame that if you score 25,000 points (which he’s gonna blow past unless he blows up his knee in the next two season) and you’ve made 5 or more all star teams it would be a crime to keep you out
Draymond should easily be a 1st ballot hofer imo. He was the leader/ glue guy, defensive anchor, main facilitator of the greatest team of the 2010's. His kind of impact is difficult to replicate. He is the type of player who can make a good team, a great team and he was great at that.
Players like Horford,Holiday,Igoudala simply deserve to be in the hall off fame. When you play in big games with big players over and over again and you still have so much importance on the outcome off the game,then you are simply one off the best players. Stats are not everything. Is about winning and these dudes just get it. As a high end role player if you find yourself important in few series that's one thing,but when it happens all the time then you are great.
I'm sorry man but putting Iggy in the same category as Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin and above Horford is kind of crazy to me it may just be me but I don't value his finals MVP that highly because he didn't really deserve it If you take that away he was a starter/6th man on 3 championship teams a one time all star and a dunk contest champion not hall of fame really
@@isojoe125 Prime Iggy was nice but not on the level of any of those guys Prime Iggy was top 5-10 at his position those guys were top 5-10 period (besides Horford he was top 3 at his position)
Tracy McGrady was a hall of famer and embiid is clearly ahead of him all time wise so hes obviously one too. T-mac never made it out of the first round till he was a bench warmer. Also never won an mvp and is a 7x all star just like joel.
Al Horford is literally a HOF lock, when you consider his amazing College career and the fact that he’s a 5x allstar, nba champion and #14 all time in playoff games played
The thing you’re missing is that scoring or some other gaudy stat is going to attract voters attention. The reason Thompson is a first ballot Hall of Famer is because he holds multiple scoring records including the ridiculous most points in a quarter record that will probably never be broken. Add four rings to that on teams where he was the second or third best player and he’s automatic. You were right and then changed your mind about Luka. In addition to the all NBA selections, All-Star selections, conference finals MVP and scoring title, he is the third leading scorer in NBA history at 29 PPG in the regular season. He’s the second leading scorer in playoff history. On top of that, he’s almost averaging a triple double for his career. If he retired today he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer and the only question would be if it was unanimous or not.
The basketball hall of fame includes college performance, which appears to be a gap in your hoop knowledge. Players like Noah have a much better case than I think you're aware of
I asked Claude ai, one of the best ai, about this. I pointed out that a college career matters and that it should include those accolades when making its decision. Claude listed every major NBA and college accolade and said it gave him about a 30-35% chance of making the hof. I feel like thats where I would put him too. So yeah he likely deserves a bit more respect but honestly, it's not that big of a deal considering it is leaning pretty unlikely, and if you consider the up-and-coming classes I would expect that he won't.
Cmon man. Tatum and brown are at least on the cusp, Tatum brown has had a way better career than Brunson and bam and ant and Mitchell and booker and savings and fox and ja. It’s ridiculous to put them in on the right track
As a mavs fan Luka definitely isn’t a first ballot hof if he retired today, his accolades are amazing for his age but they aren’t hof level yet let him start stacking up mvps and then we can start talking first ballot
If the likes of McGrady who has not won shit or lead any team be a First Ballot HOF, then Luka would definitely be first HOF. 5x All-star, 5x First Team All NBA, ROY, All-Rookie 1st Team, Scoring champ, plus his accolades abroad. Definitely 1st ballot material.
Al Horford is definitely on the cusp and I think he gets in. He was literally the first guy off the bench for 2023-24 Celtics and started the majority of playoff games when KP went down. We aren't talking about some former All-Star who joins a contender in the last year of his career and plays 5 minutes a game. And he was a major piece on back-to-back NCAA championship teams. It's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame.
Embiid and Horford are hall of famers right now. Epic college career and solid pro career for Horford gets him in. Insane production from Embiid, one MVP and two other narrow losses to Jokic is crazy. Holds the highest points per minute in history, ahead of Wilt. People just want to hate on him.
I agree with this from a who SHOULD be in the hall of fame point of view, but what I think will happen is a lot of these guys still get in because some of the Hall of Fame pulls have been a little bit crazy. Genuinely some of the guys i do not recognize at all in the hall of fame
if you included wemby on the list and mentioned him being "1 for 1" then Paolo should have been on the list and ranked on the right track as well. ROTY, All-star second year and led his team as the fifth seed into the playoffs and balled out in the postseason, so easily 2 for 2 and deserving to get the recognition. Everyone needs to stop ignoring how good the kid is and give him the respect he has earned
Jrue Holiday is definitely getting in there at the end of the day. He's widely seen as the best Perimeter Defender in the NBA and has guarded 1-5 for a lot of his career.
Truth is if you win FMVP and were deserving you're a hall of famer. Same thing if you have a ring and 3+ 1st team all-nba appearances. Tatum and Brown are both guaranteed HoF
@@ethanshirk561 Yeah I think both probably would just off of accolades. I also don't think he values college stuff enough, JJ might get in from that and certainly horford would imo
You’re underselling DeRozen a bit. Dude’s scored 20+ a game for 11 straight seasons (and counting) and has a real shot at sneaking into the top 20-25 for all-time points (maybe higher). He’s also been a go-to scorer on competitive teams and evolved as a playmaker as his career progressed. His career is actually REALLY similar to Alex English in terms of accolades, and he got in on the first ballot.
I feel like rookie forget Jarett Allen is 25…… yet to enter his prime gives you the exact same numbers as bam and same defensive ability (can’t show as much as bam because he happens to play with a generational defensive player in Mobley)
I think Blake Griffin has to be close to first ballot not only does he have a great resume but he battled through horrible injuries and still was a beast and showed it in Detroit before he got injured and they got swept by the Bucks but if the Nets won that playoff series over the Bucks he probably would've been a champion with them and if he stayed with the Celtics for one more season he would be a 2 time champion
I love D-Rose, but i think the main two reasons he'll is because: 1. He's up there with the most liked players in league history. 2. Unlike MLB and NFL, winning an MVP in the nba pretty much guarantees youre a hall of famer so i think the voters will induct him just on that alone. I doubt the media wants to break that streak. Plus the fact he might get some pity votes for him being a what if.
thank you one of the first people that understands that its the basketball hall of fame not the NBA fall of fame luka is a hall of famer luke will get a mvp in the next 3 years and if he get a ring will dalles the team that drafted him 100% first ballot
The basketball hall of fame lets damn near everyone in, like Horford might as well be a lock. People get wrapped up in the NBA side, but LeBron was probably gonna get in the day he left high-school and Kareem was in the same boat. It's a low bar for hall of fame standards
great video for doing so many players at once. Horford and Lopez I think have a way higher chance of making the HoF. With Horford he was able to be one of the more important players on loaded Boston teams in the post season , They would have needed him badly If Giannis wasn't hurt and seems to be able to still give you 35 points in a post season game. Lopez , he has been part of a core that has I think has an all time great finals run , again another player that can still put up 30 points in a post season game and the way he transformed his game makes in stand out a lot more then you think. Murray is damm near a role player at this point for The Nuggets , I get with the injuries but he is "meh" in the regular season so when he plays bad in the post season as well like this season it really hurts his career when you look at it. depending on If The Nuggets string a few together and he is on the team he will get in then just because of Jokic. Finally , overall I do feel like you were being a little harder then the HoF will be but better then soft.
Maybe its just me but I feel like if they are going to let so many people into the hall there should be special rooms for the most elite players. Some kind of distinction would be nice. Like it feels wrong to say al horford for example is a hall of famer but then so is jordan. Some careers are greater than others. I guess thats what first ballot and top 75 is but still.
If Lowry makes it, then why does Khris Middleton not make it? And Jrue Holiday definitely should make it, he has won 2 rings and made a couple all star teams too, being one of the best defenders in the league throughout it all.
I agree that Holiday definitely should make it. But Lowry is a tier above Middleton as a star. He has a bigger impact on the court than just scoring. He's a 6 time all star and was a very important player in 2019. Don't forget about his Olympic gold. Lowry will get a statue in Toronto and will be the first Raptor to get his jersey retired because of what he did for the franchise
Excellent logic. Embiid made NBA 75 team, so he's in. I'd put Gasol on the cusp for thin NBA resume. The HOF rewards role players in dynasties, so I can see Iguadala getting in. They'll allow Derrick Rose for the MVP.
In my opinion someone should only be a first Ballot HOFamer if they have ring(s) or they are top 30 in an all time category but i do agree with everything else below the HOF tiers
This man really put Marc Gasol on the Hall of Fame list because of what he’s done in Spain, but yet I’ll Horford wins the championship with the Celtics and had a great career with the Hawks and you put him on not making the Hall of Fame. You really put Mark saw above Derek Rose, the youngest MVP winner ever
Nice video. I got some older names that might still have a shot. Shawn Kemp, Joe Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Latrell Sprewell, Kevin Johnson, Larry Johnson. How about you do one for Coaches? Johnny Red Kerr is way over due btw.
Creator handing out potential HOF entries like candy but Derrick Rose is a definite no HOFer? There's been only 36 players in history to get an MVP. His is in very elite company despite his career being so short
The other 35 have either pro or college resumes if not both, that are more than enough to put them in. Drose has practically nothing outside of that one season...
U don’t know ball, dame was always the number one option on his team without ever having a great second option, I think making the WCF is definitely enough considering he’s one of the greatest 3pt shooters in NBA history
The only guy in league history that's not MJ to end MULTIPLE play-off series with a buzzer beater, and almost single-handedly kept Portland decently relevant for nearly a decade "hasn't done shit"..... yeah Ok 😂😂
Really if u have an Olympic gold medal+u were an all star at some point, or even a successful college career it’s a free pass into the hall of fame. If it was the NBA hall of fame it’d be more difficult like the NFL hall of fame but this is the basketball hall of fame so it’s pretty much easy as hell to get in.
Tmac and Yao was first ballet witth less accomplishments idk why y’all keep sayin this look back at who made it tmac never made the second round neither did Yao so don’t say playoffs or winning neither cuz pg did more winning than them making two ecf and a WCF
@@dw4867 Celtics ain’t going back 2 back but will see. Jrue was a never star in his career he’s just a good glue guy Marcus smart would’ve won an nba championship doin the same role if tatum played better
I feel like Horford deserves at least an “On the Cusp.” He’s a two time NCAA champion, 5 time all star, made an all defensive team and an All-NBA team, and he’s an NBA champion as a starter. He has pretty ridiculous longevity for a guy at his position and wherever he went, he won a lot.
He has a way stronger case than Iguodala.
He also played a big roll in the championship season not like he was getting 5 minutes a night he was starting all playoffs I think people forget that
Also shooting a very impressive 38% from 3 at his size is crazy as well.
@@rome8180 iggy has a fmvp
Lmao, Celtics fans…
Horford is ass. Iggy got a Finals MVP.
LaMelo over Zion doesn't make sense to me. Feels like the same tier. Both guys have been super injured to start their careers. But we've seen that when Zion is healthy, he looks like a top 10 player who can carry a team. LaMelo still has some real issues with efficiency even when healthy. Plus, Zion has an extra All-Star appearance and is more likely to get All-Star appearances over the next few years due to being on a better team. Also, Zion won NPOY in college.
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They have played the same amount of games even though Zion was drafted a year earlier. Zion just can't stay healthy and is obviously too injury prone, so he's on the wrong track. LaMelo isn't perceived to be injury prone fs so no reason to believe he's on the wrong track and will be injured as much as Zion going forward.
Zion is way to distracted with his off court antics. With that post recently he looks in great shape so hopefully he has a career year and plays most games
Zion has had more impact tho
Embiid is a league mvp, 7x all star, 5x all nba, 3x all defense, and 2x scoring champ. If he announced retirement tomorrow, he’d be first ballot
First ballot loser
Yet he’s never made it out of the second round of the playoffs
If he won more and he wasn’t so dislikable of a person, I’d say first ballot. Otherwise, I’ll say HOF. But I agree with you that he should be higher on the list.
Harden and CP3 have made it farther in the playoffs, and that’s saying a lot.
@@I_am_trash2kso do you disagree or are you just hating. There have been a lot of first ballot HOFer that havent had the same peak as embiid and similar playoff woes who have been first ballot.
@@Odysseus1999tmac hasn’t and was first ballet embiid a first ballet sorry rn
Bro embiid has 66% nba hof odds which is higher than lukas tatums and goberts. Hes easily making the hof. You literally had embiid there in your hof tiers a year ago lol. Dk why you backtracked. Also al horford probabaly will get in. 5x all star with college championships and a ring is a lot.
Embid is already probably a hof player
This is basketball HOF not NBA
Embiid got a scoring title and and mvp. He's in.
Yea I agree, embiid is easily a HOFer
Just got a gold medal as well. Without any championships he won't be first ballot though.
If Kyrie is First Ballot, Klay and Draymond are definitely First Ballot
Kyrie would go down a level so that all 3 are equally likely
Same with dame, no way he is a first ballot
Kyrie is one of the best (if not the best) ball-handlers of all-time. The casual fan looks at Draymond and Klay as Curry’s sidekicks. I think Draymond and Klay have more of an impact on the court in their prime than Kyrie did, but that’s not what we’re measuring. Iverson and Yao are two HOFers with a similar story, two with immense impacts on the game of basketball. Yao Ming as an ambassador to China, and Iverson being Iverson and everyone loving him.
@@idkbro380It depends if you think everyone on the 75th team is 1st ballot. I didn’t think he should’ve gotten on the team, but he did.
Every body getting in the hall of fame huh, we need some minimum criteria
I would argue Horford has a significantly stronger case than Iguodala
Iggy has 4 rings and a FMPV which will help him massively but Horford imo has been a way better play throughout his career
@@emilfrederiksen.1622can’t forget Horford’s college career
@@emilfrederiksen.1622true but Iggy was only a big contributor on one of those teams. Horford was an all star level player for a decade and a starter for the rest.
He definitely does
Why does everyone forget that Tatum has a gold medal from Tokyo lol
Mickey Mouse Medal he probably just bought it at the gift store during the 2020 NBA Playoffs
@@bwpitlik1290he was the second leading scorer on that team. People have dementia when it comes to that Olympic run.
@@bwpitlik1290 learn basketball from the games rather than ig memes
@@Instantur Mickey Mouse medal.
People will discredit Tatum's medal with him being the 2nd scorer, an offensive fulcrum, and a versatile defensive wing, but will give credit to Booker who is an inefficient shotchucking cone of a guard who made no one better. Wild
Your tier lists arent that bad but if you think 7x all star 5x all nba with 2 scoring titles and an mvp isnt a hofer yet you have guys like PeeGee, Lowry and Rondo who all have way less accolades in then you are a very confused individual.
Lowry is a 7 time all star and nba champion but I get your point embiid would be a hall of famer
@@yahiaali4059Lowry is not a hall of famer
@@freezybreezy1001 Tim hardaway has less accolades and is in the hall of fame
Way less? PG is a 9x all star(woulda been 10+ if he never broke his leg), 6x all nba, 4x all defensive, etc
I get joel has a mvp but that’s all he has over him accolades wise
@@freezybreezy1001 if Horford is a hall of famer, Lowry is definitely a Hall of Famer
I think Tatum is an easy hall of famer if he retired today maybe not first ballot but 100%
He could retire tomorrow and be a lock for the hall of fame. There are a bunch of names that were worse than him in the hall.
nah not really he hasnt proven himself as a consistent main guy and has many questionable career achievements
He’s need another all star caliber season or 2
@@OCLProductionzstop talking
@@Instanturfacts.
How are PG & Jimmy on different tiers? Jimmy has done more with less. Jimmy should be bumped up imo. He is similar to PG & Dame.
Jimmy needs to be at the same tier as Chris Paul, Gary Payton and John Stockton. Although PG & Dame are very good players, they've never been as dominant as Jimmy.
Unfortunately, making the finals with no hardware isn’t necessarily a stat and PG has more accolades and has been elite for a longer period of time.
@chrissaint-louis488 I mean he's got two conference finals trophies as the best player & a conference finals MVP (I know no one cares about this). That's more playoff hardware than PG.
@@mrd1wan321 thats “hardware” no one else in the league has since it was literally just implemented. Even jimmy didn’t even wanna hold that trophy. Thats like saying we’re going to be taking into account the in-season tournament trophy in accolades too
@@chrissaint-louis488 PG got his stats but he's not better than Jimmy, no one will talk about PG after 20 years but Jimmy's underdog story will always be there the same with AI finals run and "We Believe" Baron Davis.
how the fuck is Andrew Wiggins have a higher change at the HOF than big al
only becuase wiggins may have another 8-10 years left lol. Horfords career basically over
@@Sros1 Brutal Excuse. If you watched Wiggins may be out of the league before Horford at this point.
Kat has a bigger chance than Wiggins
@@spidamitchell8311not really kat folds in clutcg situations while wiggins raised to the occasion.
@@yahiaali4059you mean Wiggins rides the backs of Curry and company 😊
Horford my golden goat disrespected again
Acting like he wasnt the starting center for 80% of their playoff games last year
Not a big Joel Embiid fan here, but he sould be at least hall of fame tier
He is first ballot stop hating
Luka definitely would be a FIRST BALLOT no questions asked💯💯
Tatum is for sure going to make the Hall of Fame at this point…
What the hell are you thinking by only putting him at “On the right track”!?!? He’s the #1 option on a team that has made it to the Finals 2x and is the latest NBA Champion. Not to mention multiple All-Stars, 2 Olympic Gold Medals and he’s still only 26 years old….
Seriously! Don’t be a foolish hater. Cmon now.
If Derozan it’s hall of Frame, Embiid deserves it
DeRozan is in hall of fame with 6 all star appearances and 3 all nba teams (no first teams) while Tatum and Embiid are in on the right track. Tatum with 5x all star, 4x all nba (3 first teams), championship, gold medal (most likely 2 in a couple days). And then Embiid with 7x all star, 5x all nba (1 1st team), MVP, 3x all defensive and most likely a gold medal in a couple days. It doesn’t make sense at all 😂.
@ethanshirk561 tatum and embiid are deffo HOF idk what he saying but I do understand what demsr would be thar consisten scoring with longetitivity about to past 25k points and gonna be top 30 on the scoring leaderboard
@@ethanshirk561the bar is so low for the ball of fame anyway lol
you underestimate how easy it is to make the nba hof
very true. About 80% of the "On the wrong track" guys will get in
It's the basketball hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame but yes
Horford is 100% a lock. The ring solidified it. Even without it, he probably had 80% chance. He’s had a consistently good career and had a remarkable college career
i’m confused as to y u guys are acting like the basketball hall of fame is so prestigious how many 5 time all star haven’t made the hall honestly and he’s been playing since 06 so he’s a lock
Yeah this guy doesn’t know what bhe’s w talking about, Horford is a lock
It’s the worst hall of fame in professional sports. They let anyone in if they were good. Every other sport you have to be great
9:37 "Probably Gonna Be In The Roleplaying Hall Of Fame" got me laughing
If you think Jrue is “on the cusp” instead of a shoe in HOFer you’re crazy. If Jrue retired today, as the world class defender he has been, high PPG for a defense first PG, and with two rings, and about to have a gold medal??? You have guys in HOF who have way less accolades than Jrue. BG over Jrue is crazy. What was BG doing at 34 like Jrue is right now?
Jrue would have 2 gold medals if team USA were to win the Olympics this year, as he did get one in Tokyo
so funny no one realizes jrue bam and tatum have 2 golds now
Al Horford is a lock.
Put him on the cusp he's not first or even really second ballot but he's definitely has a better resume then some hall of famers
@@baseupp12 2 ncaa championships. Nba all star on a 60 win team. All nba. Nba champion. Hes a lock believe it or not.
Never comment again
@@baseupp12it’s basketball, not NBA hall of fame. Come on now.
@@Teachingcasuals It's the hall of FAME not a herorgasm for some random mediocre role players. Tony Allen was good as well, you think he making the list some day?
Brook Lopez transitioning his game to a stretch big is underrated, including his help defense with giannis.
Horford has had a better Career than Blake imo.
This isn’t the fucking NBA hall of fame dude, that’s not a real thing. It’s the basketball hall of fame and with a chip, a good stat line, consistency, and last but not least… his perfect college career. Al Horford is literally a lock for the BASKETBALL hof… cmon man
I'm Andre Igoudala is 100% a hall of famer.
Bro Embiid has two scoring titles an MVP bunch of all stars and all nba teams, he’s making it to the hall of fame what are you even talking about
Embiid has basically played six seasons.
Al is almost definitely in. And Jrue might be first ballot
Relax on first ballot, lol. He prolly gets in tho, but relax
First ballot is reversed for number 1 option or crucial guys in dynasty and something huge
SROS, 3 of the tiers are for "if he retired today" and 2 are future predictions for current/younger players. Which means they're no longer tiers, just different categories. For example with Aldridge ranked "higher" than Embiid. Why not have the same criteria for all tiers? Like "in 50 years, how likely is it he's in the HOF". Both rookies and retired players would be ranked on the exact same basis and the tiers could fall from most likely to least likely.
Andre Iguodalas finals MVP was stolen that is currys finals mvp
Absolute clown behavior putting Horford in the bottom tier. Be better man that’s laughably bad. Basketball HOF not just NBA. 3 rings (2 NCAA, 1 NBA) plus is still a major contributor on the Celtics. “Wasn’t a top 5 player on the team” acting like he didn’t start the majority of the playoffs and average over 30 minutes per game due to Porzingis’ injuries
Yeah to me Horfors is a lock
Al Horford is absolutely on the crisp after finally getting that illusive NBA championship
The editing is fire 🔥
Ur disrespecting Embiid he’s 100% a lock
433 games is too short a career.
@abdoulm.sorofino2642 The tier Embiid is on is "on the right track", not "100% lock".
Rudy Gobert on HOF nooooo fake DPOY bro can’t guard a parked car 😭
Edit: I just noticed he put Shai under Rudy Gobert I would’ve swapped them 😭
I’m telling y’all rn Demar will be so high on the all time scoring list by the time he hangs it up they will have to put him in.
He had no accolades the scoring is the only thing he has
@@freezybreezy1001 I get that but the bar is low enough for the nba hall of fame that if you score 25,000 points (which he’s gonna blow past unless he blows up his knee in the next two season) and you’ve made 5 or more all star teams it would be a crime to keep you out
I want DRose to get in so bad, he deserves it
Draymond should easily be a 1st ballot hofer imo.
He was the leader/ glue guy, defensive anchor, main facilitator of the greatest team of the 2010's.
His kind of impact is difficult to replicate.
He is the type of player who can make a good team, a great team and he was great at that.
Bro longtime watcher... Longtime noticing the Horford hate
First time watcher and I noticed it aswell
Players like Horford,Holiday,Igoudala simply deserve to be in the hall off fame. When you play in big games with big players over and over again and you still have so much importance on the outcome off the game,then you are simply one off the best players. Stats are not everything. Is about winning and these dudes just get it. As a high end role player if you find yourself important in few series that's one thing,but when it happens all the time then you are great.
Great video ! Love the tier lists!
I'm sorry man but putting Iggy in the same category as Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin and above Horford is kind of crazy to me it may just be me but I don't value his finals MVP that highly because he didn't really deserve it
If you take that away he was a starter/6th man on 3 championship teams a one time all star and a dunk contest champion not hall of fame really
Prime iggy was different tho but yeah d rose was better
@@isojoe125 Prime Iggy was nice but not on the level of any of those guys Prime Iggy was top 5-10 at his position those guys were top 5-10 period (besides Horford he was top 3 at his position)
Tracy McGrady was a hall of famer and embiid is clearly ahead of him all time wise so hes obviously one too. T-mac never made it out of the first round till he was a bench warmer. Also never won an mvp and is a 7x all star just like joel.
T Mac I believe is 8x all star but Joel is probably a hof now
Al Horford is literally a HOF lock, when you consider his amazing College career and the fact that he’s a 5x allstar, nba champion and #14 all time in playoff games played
Jrue on the Cusp, but Kyle Lowry a HOF? Cmon man
The thing you’re missing is that scoring or some other gaudy stat is going to attract voters attention. The reason Thompson is a first ballot Hall of Famer is because he holds multiple scoring records including the ridiculous most points in a quarter record that will probably never be broken. Add four rings to that on teams where he was the second or third best player and he’s automatic.
You were right and then changed your mind about Luka. In addition to the all NBA selections, All-Star selections, conference finals MVP and scoring title, he is the third leading scorer in NBA history at 29 PPG in the regular season. He’s the second leading scorer in playoff history. On top of that, he’s almost averaging a triple double for his career. If he retired today he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer and the only question would be if it was unanimous or not.
Tatum with 2 finals appearances, 2 gold medals, and 3x 1st team selections should already put him ahead of Derozan Jimmy and Lowry
The basketball hall of fame includes college performance, which appears to be a gap in your hoop knowledge. Players like Noah have a much better case than I think you're aware of
i took that into consideration, Noah isn't making it. Sorry man
@@Sros1It doesn’t seem like you value college as much as the Hall of Fame does
I asked Claude ai, one of the best ai, about this.
I pointed out that a college career matters and that it should include those accolades when making its decision.
Claude listed every major NBA and college accolade and said it gave him about a 30-35% chance of making the hof.
I feel like thats where I would put him too. So yeah he likely deserves a bit more respect but honestly, it's not that big of a deal considering it is leaning pretty unlikely, and if you consider the up-and-coming classes I would expect that he won't.
My glorious king Demar derozan will not only be a 1st ballot HOFer but he will go down as the GOAT of all sports
Agreed
this is a joke. also how is draymond first ballot?
oh nvm he switched it
This is funny knowing that DeRozan is now on the Kings
Cmon man. Tatum and brown are at least on the cusp, Tatum brown has had a way better career than Brunson and bam and ant and Mitchell and booker and savings and fox and ja. It’s ridiculous to put them in on the right track
As a mavs fan Luka definitely isn’t a first ballot hof if he retired today, his accolades are amazing for his age but they aren’t hof level yet let him start stacking up mvps and then we can start talking first ballot
If the likes of McGrady who has not won shit or lead any team be a First Ballot HOF, then Luka would definitely be first HOF. 5x All-star, 5x First Team All NBA, ROY, All-Rookie 1st Team, Scoring champ, plus his accolades abroad. Definitely 1st ballot material.
Like the comment said, 5x ALL-NBA 1st team, 5x AS, ROY, scoring champ, Euroleague MVP, euroleague champ, in the Euroleague team of the decade, etc
Al Horford is definitely on the cusp and I think he gets in. He was literally the first guy off the bench for 2023-24 Celtics and started the majority of playoff games when KP went down. We aren't talking about some former All-Star who joins a contender in the last year of his career and plays 5 minutes a game. And he was a major piece on back-to-back NCAA championship teams. It's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame.
Embiid and Horford are hall of famers right now. Epic college career and solid pro career for Horford gets him in. Insane production from Embiid, one MVP and two other narrow losses to Jokic is crazy. Holds the highest points per minute in history, ahead of Wilt. People just want to hate on him.
I agree with this from a who SHOULD be in the hall of fame point of view, but what I think will happen is a lot of these guys still get in because some of the Hall of Fame pulls have been a little bit crazy. Genuinely some of the guys i do not recognize at all in the hall of fame
if you included wemby on the list and mentioned him being "1 for 1" then Paolo should have been on the list and ranked on the right track as well. ROTY, All-star second year and led his team as the fifth seed into the playoffs and balled out in the postseason, so easily 2 for 2 and deserving to get the recognition. Everyone needs to stop ignoring how good the kid is and give him the respect he has earned
15:38 you said Jrue won lots of DPOYs, I assume you meant All-Defensive ?
Bro I went straight to the comments when I heard him say that and you’re my top comment 😂
Jrue Holiday is definitely getting in there at the end of the day. He's widely seen as the best Perimeter Defender in the NBA and has guarded 1-5 for a lot of his career.
Truth is if you win FMVP and were deserving you're a hall of famer. Same thing if you have a ring and 3+ 1st team all-nba appearances. Tatum and Brown are both guaranteed HoF
For sure but he is probably thinking if they retired today which they wouldn't
@@emilfrederiksen.1622even if Tatum retired now, he would still probably get in
@@ethanshirk561 Yeah I think both probably would just off of accolades. I also don't think he values college stuff enough, JJ might get in from that and certainly horford would imo
Horford's resume including university is 2x as great as Igoudala not to mention his 3pt shooting and all world defense.
Kyle Lowry HOF is crazy but Basketball HOF so weak he just MIGHT and then you say Sorry man to Mike Conley 😂😂😂
At a point of time Al & Brook were franchise players at some point if there career. I think they both deserve on the cusp
Based on the thumbnail, Dray should be a first ballot. One of the best defensive players of all time and the 2010s Rodman.
Remember the basketball Hall takes college and international play into consideration.
You’re underselling DeRozen a bit. Dude’s scored 20+ a game for 11 straight seasons (and counting) and has a real shot at sneaking into the top 20-25 for all-time points (maybe higher). He’s also been a go-to scorer on competitive teams and evolved as a playmaker as his career progressed. His career is actually REALLY similar to Alex English in terms of accolades, and he got in on the first ballot.
I feel like rookie forget Jarett Allen is 25…… yet to enter his prime gives you the exact same numbers as bam and same defensive ability (can’t show as much as bam because he happens to play with a generational defensive player in Mobley)
it’s the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the nba hall of fame. Horford has back to back college championships and now an nba finals trophy. he is 100% in
I think Blake Griffin has to be close to first ballot not only does he have a great resume but he battled through horrible injuries and still was a beast and showed it in Detroit before he got injured and they got swept by the Bucks
but if the Nets won that playoff series over the Bucks he probably would've been a champion with them and if he stayed with the Celtics for one more season he would be a 2 time champion
Jimmy Butler should be "on the Cusp", he doesn't have the accolades.
6x All-Star
5x All-NBA Team
5x All-Defensive Team
1x MIP
1x Steals leader
2 Finals appearences
1x ECF MVP
That ain't enough accolades?
I’m glad he took Draymond down that was my only complaint the whole video
I love D-Rose, but i think the main two reasons he'll is because:
1. He's up there with the most liked players in league history.
2. Unlike MLB and NFL, winning an MVP in the nba pretty much guarantees youre a hall of famer so i think the voters will induct him just on that alone. I doubt the media wants to break that streak. Plus the fact he might get some pity votes for him being a what if.
1. No one has ever gotten in for being "liked".
2. No it doesn't.
thank you one of the first people that understands that its the basketball hall of fame not the NBA fall of fame luka is a hall of famer luke will get a mvp in the next 3 years and if he get a ring will dalles the team that drafted him 100% first ballot
8:11 I'm not going to say Jordan was great but he was a decent backup that played sometimes for the Nuggets so he was semi important
The basketball hall of fame lets damn near everyone in, like Horford might as well be a lock. People get wrapped up in the NBA side, but LeBron was probably gonna get in the day he left high-school and Kareem was in the same boat. It's a low bar for hall of fame standards
great video for doing so many players at once. Horford and Lopez I think have a way higher chance of making the HoF. With Horford he was able to be one of the more important players on loaded Boston teams in the post season , They would have needed him badly If Giannis wasn't hurt and seems to be able to still give you 35 points in a post season game. Lopez , he has been part of a core that has I think has an all time great finals run , again another player that can still put up 30 points in a post season game and the way he transformed his game makes in stand out a lot more then you think.
Murray is damm near a role player at this point for The Nuggets , I get with the injuries but he is "meh" in the regular season so when he plays bad in the post season as well like this season it really hurts his career when you look at it. depending on If The Nuggets string a few together and he is on the team he will get in then just because of Jokic.
Finally , overall I do feel like you were being a little harder then the HoF will be but better then soft.
Kemba has the college stuff and a great NBA career,if iggy and blake are on the cusp,he should be too
The Jamal Murray disrespect is crazy
Maybe its just me but I feel like if they are going to let so many people into the hall there should be special rooms for the most elite players. Some kind of distinction would be nice. Like it feels wrong to say al horford for example is a hall of famer but then so is jordan. Some careers are greater than others. I guess thats what first ballot and top 75 is but still.
If Lowry makes it, then why does Khris Middleton not make it? And Jrue Holiday definitely should make it, he has won 2 rings and made a couple all star teams too, being one of the best defenders in the league throughout it all.
Lowry has more all stars, an all-nba and olympic gold medal. So bbref has him quite a bit higher.
Khris Middleton just doesn’t deserve it Lowry was underrated during his career and might be the best raptor of all time.
Lowry actually led teams to a 50+ wins as THE best player Middleton hasn't
3 vs 6 all stars which is big
I agree that Holiday definitely should make it. But Lowry is a tier above Middleton as a star. He has a bigger impact on the court than just scoring. He's a 6 time all star and was a very important player in 2019. Don't forget about his Olympic gold. Lowry will get a statue in Toronto and will be the first Raptor to get his jersey retired because of what he did for the franchise
The NBA Hall of Fame is such a joke. The fact Al Horford is even being considered should be offensive to any of the true HOF players
I agree
bro it is called basketball hall of fame not nba hall of fame difference they take into account college and overseas
D Rose should 100% make it. If you win an Nba MVP award, it should be guaranteed. I’m a Thunder fan with no connection to him, just giving my opinion
You think having ONE great season should be enough to get in? C'mon man...
This was actually pretty good. Very accurate. 💯
Excellent logic. Embiid made NBA 75 team, so he's in. I'd put Gasol on the cusp for thin NBA resume. The HOF rewards role players in dynasties, so I can see Iguadala getting in. They'll allow Derrick Rose for the MVP.
In my opinion someone should only be a first Ballot HOFamer if they have ring(s) or they are top 30 in an all time category but i do agree with everything else below the HOF tiers
So are Rondo and Lowry first ballot to you then? Because they're both top 30 all time in assists, Rondo's actually top 15.
This man really put Marc Gasol on the Hall of Fame list because of what he’s done in Spain, but yet I’ll Horford wins the championship with the Celtics and had a great career with the Hawks and you put him on not making the Hall of Fame. You really put Mark saw above Derek Rose, the youngest MVP winner ever
I honestly don't know if Blake Griffin should be on the cusp but I do remember a time when him and Kevin Love were the best power forwards.
Still can’t believe dame and gannis on the same team…
putting gianni’s and jokic first ballot but embiid in “on the right track” is hilarious. never unsubscribed from someone faster
A 2 time mvp, dpoy, champ and a 3 time mvp, champ vs 1 time mvp who never made it to a conference finals???
They both have better accolades
And more playoff success
Embiid is constantly injured and has never done shit in the post season.
@@Yeatlover43can’t forget Allstars, all nba teams, all defensive teams, and leading the league in scoring
I don’t think all star should count towards HoF because that’s a very popularity contest heavy stat.
Nice video. I got some older names that might still have a shot. Shawn Kemp, Joe Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Latrell Sprewell, Kevin Johnson, Larry Johnson. How about you do one for Coaches? Johnny Red Kerr is way over due btw.
Creator handing out potential HOF entries like candy but Derrick Rose is a definite no HOFer? There's been only 36 players in history to get an MVP. His is in very elite company despite his career being so short
The other 35 have either pro or college resumes if not both, that are more than enough to put them in. Drose has practically nothing outside of that one season...
If Chris Webber made it to the Hall of Fame, no doubt Green, Jimmy Butler and Derozan will make it as well.
Agree with pretty much every ranking, always enjoy these videos Matt. 👍👍
Jamal Murray should be on the right track if he has 2 rings as no doubt the second best player plus if Jokic keeps winning so will he 😅
Ain’t no fucking way dame “hasn’t done shit” is first ballot
U don’t know ball, dame was always the number one option on his team without ever having a great second option, I think making the WCF is definitely enough considering he’s one of the greatest 3pt shooters in NBA history
Dame is a legend he has also scored like 27k career points he is a for sure hall of famer. Multiple time all star and multiple all NBA too
Dame will finish his career with 25k points and is already in top 75 list. That's 1st ballot immediately and
Most casual take of all time.
The only guy in league history that's not MJ to end MULTIPLE play-off series with a buzzer beater, and almost single-handedly kept Portland decently relevant for nearly a decade "hasn't done shit"..... yeah Ok 😂😂
Really if u have an Olympic gold medal+u were an all star at some point, or even a successful college career it’s a free pass into the hall of fame. If it was the NBA hall of fame it’d be more difficult like the NFL hall of fame but this is the basketball hall of fame so it’s pretty much easy as hell to get in.
i really think u dont understand how easy it is to get into the BASKETBALL hall of fame.
Zero chance that Kyrie and PG are first ballot imo. Maybe Kyrie just because of 2016, but PG def not. He's borderline "Hall of Very Good" for me
Tmac and Yao was first ballet witth less accomplishments idk why y’all keep sayin this look back at who made it tmac never made the second round neither did Yao so don’t say playoffs or winning neither cuz pg did more winning than them making two ecf and a WCF
Bro its not hard to get into the HOF
You're delusional if Kyrie is not first HOF. lmao.
So you’re saying pg is barely even making the hof at all?? Lol
I just wanna know, besides a finals appearance, what does Luka have over Embiid
Horford should be a tier up even if you think he won’t make it
my favorite part of the chart was how Karl-Anthony Towns wasn't even on it
jrue is a lock for HOF without a doubt
Nah only like one allstar
@@Fgh-ng3quif rondo makes it, Jrue definitely does as he has better numbers than him on offense while being much better on defense.
@@kingdinodragonite3470jrue won’t make it lol and rondo probably wont
If he can eek into the top 25 for assists and help the C's go b2b then for sure.
@@dw4867 Celtics ain’t going back 2 back but will see. Jrue was a never star in his career he’s just a good glue guy Marcus smart would’ve won an nba championship doin the same role if tatum played better