Not sure when this was recorded, but Early Bird actually ended up briefly seeing maindeck play in the leadup to worlds to beat Morde/Morg since you guarantee discard Morde or Rekindler
@@Snnuywell it good when you know who you face. But int rank you often run into arggo anyway. If Lor have side deck and 3 match i could saw this in the side deck for sure
Rarran was actually right about Early bird. It is a really good card in Norra ED and should be main decked x2 or x3 as it beats a lot of competitive deck wincons (Warmother's call, ED, mordekaiser, Mihira). Would actually give the card 3/5 in general, but currently it is really strong. Norra has plenty of card draw and your win con is often to outvalue opponent hand.
I've been running into board buff decks in tournaments and queue and Early Bird isn't as good as straight up removal when you're in a tight spot and that happens often if you don't find a million removal spells
I couldn't have guessed how broken Heisho would be with that text. Text says THE FIRST card you play each round, if you play HEISHO you should not get the discount that round because the next card you'd play would be your second card not your first. The nerf this card needed should have been to make the effect match the text and not the dumb nerf they gave it.
@@ZafrasFthere's precedent for that being how it works though Levelled up Sej, Lucian, Jinx etc can activate their effects the same turn they leveled up (because they're treated as being a new card so they haven't seen those triggers since they've been in play) Fae lantern also can use its effect the turn its played Its been a rule for years that "first time" effects are from the perspective of the card with the effect
That card is literally broken. Its bugged. First, it doesnt count itself as "The first card" and second... 2 heisho on board just allows you to play 2 cards for FREE. Just... How??????
Yooooo was wondering where this was! Always love to see the collabs with Rarran, I'd love it if you could make an episode with someone like Tolarian Community College or another MtG player as well and get them hooked on LoR.
Yugioh has dark magician and blue eyes. Hearthstone has Yogg Saron and Reno Magic has Jace Iconic cards with several retrains and reprints Runeterra has Boats.
Sorry for the unrelated reply, but your name and pfp seems really familiar... were you in the doodled/atomic friend group a few years back? If so, hi! Small world
When I played Norra/ED, Early Bird felt clutch sometimes, because against Morde you kinda need to discard either the champ or Rekindler, otherwise you will never get rid of them when the game gets longer.
The biggest problem with evaluating cards from other card games than the one you are playing is the mechanical differences and slight knowledge of the card database. Just like cards with passive effects that are activated conditionally, but the unit has to survive on the table for a while, they are not very popular in Hearstone simply because of the possibility of trading with units for this type of goals. In LoR there is no such simple option (only thanks to Challenger), which is why statistics play a slightly smaller role than in games where the opponent can deal with your units thanks to his units. This also automatically increases the value of remowali, where remowali in LoR, which may be tragic from the point of view of an HS player, is actually very good. For example, Vengeance, where in HS a single target removable for 7 mana would be unplayable crap, but in LoR it is a solid answer.
22:33 I love this banter. 😅 I still like Early Bird, and I thought it seen tournament play, but I haven’t touched LoR since Draven got buffed back to 3/3.
First, thanks for the clarification on how you cooked up the riven morgana deck. The setup you have for the deck runs smoother without Weapon Hilt! Second, Not sure if you’ll see this, but I know a deck that might be really fun to play. Not sure how to cook it up, but it includes Mordekaiser, the Camavoran Dragon, and the Necrotic Arachnoid. They all have effects that drain from the enemy nexus when units die. Thought it would be a really cool concept. Maybe pair with Freljord for titanic support since Mord and the Arachnoid are titanic? Not sure how the deck would be cooked up, but having those 3 in it might be a lot of fun! Not competitive, but definitely fun
Early Bird is a strong enough card. Yes it's match up dependent a bit, but in many cases their most expensive card is going to be their most valuable one, like one of their Champions, even better if they do something to draw that champion first. Rarran is right in that, it's not one of those cards that are obvious it's why you win a game, for 2 mana it can take out big threats before they're threats. It's Aloof Travelers in spell form, without the risk of giving them a card they might want.
If there's ever an etc manager - like card in runeterra, early bird is going in it. (Etc allows you to choose 3 cards when deck building and put one of them in your hand on play) I think the main issue is that ranked inherently favours aggro, and it's bad against aggro, but if there's a mode besides tournaments that heavily rewards winning% rather than wins/hour, it's gonna see play there.
What do you think about doing more vids after some time in expansion? When meta is more resolved? The first video has a lot of mistakes because the strength of the cards isn't resolved, but waiting more times is meh (these videos are very interesting TBH, so you want to watch them as fast as you can).
I agree with raran on early bird , i win tons of games by discarding mordekaiser or big meatballs . The downside is i sometimes discarded ed in this meta
Loathed is in the right direction for analyzing mageseeker, but it’s more like neophyte. Neophyte already sees play in the appropriate meta - imagine if you could copy neophyte’s effect with another minion on board and that it’s repeatable. Now you’re cooking.
Kingfisher though is a 10,000/5 if you can pull it off Clash of Giants though. Probably the 2nd or absolute best pull from CoG probably only challenged by Cithria LoC. It's genuinely probably impossible to lose if you can pull Kingfisher off Clash of Giants
Early bird is the definition of win more card, you play it when you are ahead and you delay their wincons or comebacks. The only reason why early bird is so good in Norra ED right now is that it often provide extra value rather then just discarding one card from the opponent, for example it reduce cost of plaza guardian and bubblefish. And the portal from Norra can avoid the tempo lost from playing the card, yes the card might not be like 1/5 bad, but it's definitely not so good as some comment said just because it's being play in pro plays
To the boat comment, I’m pretty sure yugioh has a full archetype of boat/sushi related cards. So yeah I’m sure someone would be excited to play their boat in their fantasy card game
I feel one of the most gigantic issues with chemtech drake isn't so much the effect is bad, the effect would give it psudeo taunt because either you kill it or it kills you next turn, the issue is, it's an ezreal like effect, and why are you playing an aggressively stated follower for 8 mana that the power is never going to actually matter, when you could just play Ez instead and not only pull the combo much sooner, but in 1 turn?
Weirdly enough It broke the game If you played 2 Loaded Dice. But having the option to basically broke the server and Lock both players out ot the game until a reset is a huge no-no But It was a Fun meme deck
Haven't played Runeterra in a while, so I could be basing my reviews off of archaic knowledge. My ratings, before Rarran and Snnuy reveal: Red-barbed Razormace: 3.5/5. Solid stats. Curse puts the opponent on a soft timer if fighting against a tempo-midrange aggro type deck. Barbara: 1.5/5. Lucky Find is not a great payoff, especially if on an empty board. Honest Croupier: 1/5 Feels awkward and requires too much commitment for low payoff. Deathgrasp Cultist: 1/5. Chemtech Drake: 1/5. If you expend a spell to draw a card, you won't get the nexus damage. Maybe nab synergy or interaction with fleeting cards. Heisho: 5/5. The effect seems bonkers, especially if there are good burst or fast spells to work with it. Spectral Ironhound: 4/5. So many ways to have small tokens or reviving cards. Seems like a really good topend curve for an aggressive or midrange deck. Mageseeker Inquisitor: 3/5. Can be annoying for some decks to face but not too much of a setback. Can see this be a card you'd cut in refinement. Early Bird: 2.5/5. I'm conflicted on this card. Against lategame/control decks, this seems bonkers. Against faster decks, its a pseudo 1-for-1. Kingfisher: 3/5. This one is tough. Card draw, especially for champions seems good, and rally is good. But is it strong enough at 9 mana? Probably deck specific. Now time to see how I did. Edit: That pre-hotfix interaction with Chemtech Drake is something I would have not anticipated. I misread Heisho reading it as the first spell you play, but first card is crazy too. Ironhound interactions sound really cool. Man I'm so behind the times in this game. Inquisitor. Of course there is a way to abuse it. I should probably read up on Mordekaiser. Not surprised for the last 2 cards.
You give up pressure and go neutral on card advantage with early bird but your getting rid of a card you know they can’t cast and event if you wait to hopefully pull a certain card you could pull something higher or not disrupt their turn at all cause they spent no mana on it yet.
Early bird is not 1//5 at all. Rarely disagree but I think this is easily the worst misleading rating. It's like you never played with aloof travelers to know how consistently it hits important top end cards. By virtue of it being 2 spell mana and in the region that generates a ton of new cards it is almost impossible for Early bird to not be a net positive in hurting their strategy.
I actualy have been seen alot of early bird lately, either on deck or just created, and its been quite effective against me... its very annnoying to play against tbh...
Eh, I don't think that deserves a hotfix.. But then I'm an MTG Commander player with the philosophy of "if an opponent let you resolve 2 win-cons with over 8+ mana cost.. they deserve to lose." 🙄
Dont take anything rarran says about any other game to heart, I’ll be honest I think he only likes hearthstone and has the worst takes (he can have them of course but he didn’t like hollow knight like come on)
"4 mana 4|4 with overwhelm is kinda bad"
*renekton crying noises*
That really puts it in perspective lol
I mean he is horrible so Rarran has a point.
He actually is horrible so it checks out sadly
I remember the Shurima Freljord Overwhelm deck from 2 years ago and wonder how Renekton fell off like this 😢
Ren Ren is still my favorite champ even if he sucks T.T
Not sure when this was recorded, but Early Bird actually ended up briefly seeing maindeck play in the leadup to worlds to beat Morde/Morg since you guarantee discard Morde or Rekindler
this was recorded before worlds so I was 100% wrong about early bird and rarran is a genius lol
@@Snnuywell it good when you know who you face. But int rank you often run into arggo anyway. If Lor have side deck and 3 match i could saw this in the side deck for sure
Also, honorable mention to a mill deck meme I face every once in a while that prints this card and makes me discard everything
@@Snnuy It's not a 5/5 either. It's a mid card.
What make IT so good is that it's in bande and bande is pretty good to deal with aggro
Fun fact: if you nab an enemy card with shrooms on it they deal damage to YOUR NEXUS.
This lost me a PoC run
Petition to remove nab power/item from poc
It must be funny to see happening
@@arkangyal8024yeah i always hate it since it takes a long time and clogs up ur hand space and the AI cards are soo trash
Bro when that happened to me at the start of the run I restarted immediately lol
@@arkangyal8024Nab is good in high star challenges tho for the enemies strong cards so long as you're not teemo
Rarran was actually right about Early bird. It is a really good card in Norra ED and should be main decked x2 or x3 as it beats a lot of competitive deck wincons (Warmother's call, ED, mordekaiser, Mihira). Would actually give the card 3/5 in general, but currently it is really strong. Norra has plenty of card draw and your win con is often to outvalue opponent hand.
I've been running into board buff decks in tournaments and queue and Early Bird isn't as good as straight up removal when you're in a tight spot and that happens often if you don't find a million removal spells
That card Alone Hard carrys against other control decks. Especially when you know The right time to use it. Its a amazing card with no downsides
I adore the phrasing of "At Disneyland this card is insane."
Fun how Rarran immediately noticed how broken Heisho was, but developers didn't
It's my crackpot theory that Heisho was supposed to count itself as the first card but the devs were too embarrassed to say they didn't notice
I couldn't have guessed how broken Heisho would be with that text. Text says THE FIRST card you play each round, if you play HEISHO you should not get the discount that round because the next card you'd play would be your second card not your first. The nerf this card needed should have been to make the effect match the text and not the dumb nerf they gave it.
@@ZafrasFthere's precedent for that being how it works though
Levelled up Sej, Lucian, Jinx etc can activate their effects the same turn they leveled up (because they're treated as being a new card so they haven't seen those triggers since they've been in play)
Fae lantern also can use its effect the turn its played
Its been a rule for years that "first time" effects are from the perspective of the card with the effect
@@aidanfilson5190 I don't care about how it's treated, bad text is bad text. You basically just told me, yeah it's dumb but that's how it works.
That card is literally broken. Its bugged. First, it doesnt count itself as "The first card" and second... 2 heisho on board just allows you to play 2 cards for FREE. Just... How??????
I love how when he rated mageseeker, he said this one's tough 😂😂😂
Came for this comment. Not disappointed
Draven's number 1 fan: They don't know I'm a boat
Rarran at 26:11 "Anyway... Kinkfisher, when I'm summoned" KINKFISHER hahahahaha
I really like that Snnuy/the editor included the most played deck for each card, very helpful :)
I felt that "I don't know who is croupier", was personal T-T
12:25 mill has nothing to do with this hotfix nerf, its straight up otk you can't interact with, most people hate otk decks.
People who love otk already play yugi oh, lol
Yeah I don't think Rarran fully understood the interaction and how it forms an infinite loop.
Yooooo was wondering where this was! Always love to see the collabs with Rarran, I'd love it if you could make an episode with someone like Tolarian Community College or another MtG player as well and get them hooked on LoR.
ABSOLUTELY LOVED THE EDITING IN THIS VID!!
I watch both channels before you started to collaborate, and I have to say you two have a lot of chemistry it makes every video such a pleasure
YES!! I was waiting for this video! Hype! Glad you guys became friends and you got Rarran to play Runeterra!
The editing on this one is fire
Whoever edited this did an amazing job with the graphics!
The editing on this video is really top notch! Thanks a lot!
I like that Rarran can't deny Snnuy wanting Razormace to be 4/5 stars
Hey Sun Man what the song around 13:40? Something from Cult of the Lamb?
Yugioh has dark magician and blue eyes.
Hearthstone has Yogg Saron and Reno
Magic has Jace
Iconic cards with several retrains and reprints
Runeterra has Boats.
Sorry for the unrelated reply, but your name and pfp seems really familiar... were you in the doodled/atomic friend group a few years back? If so, hi! Small world
When I played Norra/ED, Early Bird felt clutch sometimes, because against Morde you kinda need to discard either the champ or Rekindler, otherwise you will never get rid of them when the game gets longer.
Skysovereign, Consul Flagship would have something to say to your thrashing of boats in fantasy games
21:10 Ayo! First time Sunny swear??
18:26
"This one's tough" - unit is literally Tough
Justice for Rarran, he was the earliest of the birds
Also Heisho isn’t bad now, it just isn’t turbo broken
The biggest problem with evaluating cards from other card games than the one you are playing is the mechanical differences and slight knowledge of the card database. Just like cards with passive effects that are activated conditionally, but the unit has to survive on the table for a while, they are not very popular in Hearstone simply because of the possibility of trading with units for this type of goals. In LoR there is no such simple option (only thanks to Challenger), which is why statistics play a slightly smaller role than in games where the opponent can deal with your units thanks to his units. This also automatically increases the value of remowali, where remowali in LoR, which may be tragic from the point of view of an HS player, is actually very good. For example, Vengeance, where in HS a single target removable for 7 mana would be unplayable crap, but in LoR it is a solid answer.
technically draven's biggest fan is the first tutor
A croupier is the guy at the table working for the casino, dealing the cards and making sure you obey the rules at the table.
22:33 I love this banter. 😅
I still like Early Bird, and I thought it seen tournament play, but I haven’t touched LoR since Draven got buffed back to 3/3.
Banger collaboration as usual!
In the Stat printer Snnuy made the Deathgrasp Cultist does crazy work because everything is Titanic and there are some fearsomes
First, thanks for the clarification on how you cooked up the riven morgana deck. The setup you have for the deck runs smoother without Weapon Hilt!
Second, Not sure if you’ll see this, but I know a deck that might be really fun to play. Not sure how to cook it up, but it includes Mordekaiser, the Camavoran Dragon, and the Necrotic Arachnoid.
They all have effects that drain from the enemy nexus when units die. Thought it would be a really cool concept. Maybe pair with Freljord for titanic support since Mord and the Arachnoid are titanic? Not sure how the deck would be cooked up, but having those 3 in it might be a lot of fun! Not competitive, but definitely fun
I love how some of the cards power just changed since the video got recorded.
the Croupier is the person dealing the cards or spinning the roulette in the casino, basically it represents the house
Love this series great vid. Rarran's voice seemed bit low compared to snnuy tho
10:32 How exactly do you play Janna in bilgewater targon
Love the Rarran collabs!
Early Bird is a strong enough card. Yes it's match up dependent a bit, but in many cases their most expensive card is going to be their most valuable one, like one of their Champions, even better if they do something to draw that champion first. Rarran is right in that, it's not one of those cards that are obvious it's why you win a game, for 2 mana it can take out big threats before they're threats. It's Aloof Travelers in spell form, without the risk of giving them a card they might want.
If there's ever an etc manager - like card in runeterra, early bird is going in it.
(Etc allows you to choose 3 cards when deck building and put one of them in your hand on play)
I think the main issue is that ranked inherently favours aggro, and it's bad against aggro, but if there's a mode besides tournaments that heavily rewards winning% rather than wins/hour, it's gonna see play there.
0:56 wait the mana costs of curses gets increased too?? isnt that like..really obnoxious?
What do you think about doing more vids after some time in expansion? When meta is more resolved? The first video has a lot of mistakes because the strength of the cards isn't resolved, but waiting more times is meh (these videos are very interesting TBH, so you want to watch them as fast as you can).
I have actively lost to early bird multiple times but it was def most often manifested
I agree with raran on early bird , i win tons of games by discarding mordekaiser or big meatballs . The downside is i sometimes discarded ed in this meta
Deathgrasp cultist belongs in a Freljord Si deck. Wrath of the freljord is a cool combo for it.
Loathed is in the right direction for analyzing mageseeker, but it’s more like neophyte. Neophyte already sees play in the appropriate meta - imagine if you could copy neophyte’s effect with another minion on board and that it’s repeatable. Now you’re cooking.
Kingfisher though is a 10,000/5 if you can pull it off Clash of Giants though. Probably the 2nd or absolute best pull from CoG probably only challenged by Cithria LoC. It's genuinely probably impossible to lose if you can pull Kingfisher off Clash of Giants
Early bird is the definition of win more card, you play it when you are ahead and you delay their wincons or comebacks.
The only reason why early bird is so good in Norra ED right now is that it often provide extra value rather then just discarding one card from the opponent, for example it reduce cost of plaza guardian and bubblefish.
And the portal from Norra can avoid the tempo lost from playing the card,
yes the card might not be like 1/5 bad, but it's definitely not so good as some comment said just because it's being play in pro plays
Cool to see some Rarran LoR content!
Bro the early bird does see play and it's really good in Norra Elder
Mageseeker with deathless added when morde kills him it's insta 6 cost
To the boat comment, I’m pretty sure yugioh has a full archetype of boat/sushi related cards.
So yeah I’m sure someone would be excited to play their boat in their fantasy card game
A really good analog for the Lucky Finds is probably Adapt, for those HS gamers out there.
Rarran and snnuy the beloved
Finally, it's here.
Heisho would be broken even if it only works once. Free 9/9 spellshield at turn 9?
Seems so weird to me that heisho discounted a card on the turn you play him
The text does not imply that at all
What was the music at the end of the video? I recognize it from somewhere but I can't quite place it.
Bramble blast from DKC2 !
aight i know this is off tpic, but next rotation we need to release graves and bring back tf for the rivalry.
Saying Fettering is unplayed is funny now that Galio is running the meta.
Wasnt a titanic unit if they have 8+ health, power and/or Manacost?
I hate the wording on Heisho. Wouldn't something like "the first card I see you play costs 9 less" make a lot more sense
Exactly what ithought, with the actual wording it would be suppose to trigger only on next turn, unless it was pull from warmother.
Wait raran have a cat ?
I feel one of the most gigantic issues with chemtech drake isn't so much the effect is bad, the effect would give it psudeo taunt because either you kill it or it kills you next turn, the issue is, it's an ezreal like effect, and why are you playing an aggressively stated follower for 8 mana that the power is never going to actually matter, when you could just play Ez instead and not only pull the combo much sooner, but in 1 turn?
Chemtech drake was never broken in the sence it was strong, it just made game crash. The strat was really bad
Weirdly enough It broke the game If you played 2 Loaded Dice. But having the option to basically broke the server and Lock both players out ot the game until a reset is a huge no-no
But It was a Fun meme deck
Haven't played Runeterra in a while, so I could be basing my reviews off of archaic knowledge.
My ratings, before Rarran and Snnuy reveal:
Red-barbed Razormace: 3.5/5. Solid stats. Curse puts the opponent on a soft timer if fighting against a tempo-midrange aggro type deck.
Barbara: 1.5/5. Lucky Find is not a great payoff, especially if on an empty board.
Honest Croupier: 1/5 Feels awkward and requires too much commitment for low payoff.
Deathgrasp Cultist: 1/5.
Chemtech Drake: 1/5. If you expend a spell to draw a card, you won't get the nexus damage. Maybe nab synergy or interaction with fleeting cards.
Heisho: 5/5. The effect seems bonkers, especially if there are good burst or fast spells to work with it.
Spectral Ironhound: 4/5. So many ways to have small tokens or reviving cards. Seems like a really good topend curve for an aggressive or midrange deck.
Mageseeker Inquisitor: 3/5. Can be annoying for some decks to face but not too much of a setback. Can see this be a card you'd cut in refinement.
Early Bird: 2.5/5. I'm conflicted on this card. Against lategame/control decks, this seems bonkers. Against faster decks, its a pseudo 1-for-1.
Kingfisher: 3/5. This one is tough. Card draw, especially for champions seems good, and rally is good. But is it strong enough at 9 mana? Probably deck specific.
Now time to see how I did.
Edit: That pre-hotfix interaction with Chemtech Drake is something I would have not anticipated.
I misread Heisho reading it as the first spell you play, but first card is crazy too.
Ironhound interactions sound really cool. Man I'm so behind the times in this game.
Inquisitor. Of course there is a way to abuse it. I should probably read up on Mordekaiser.
Not surprised for the last 2 cards.
Can’t wait for the next patch
Im so done with morde and morg
Early bird is not as broken as dirty rat since in lor you can get multiple copies of your win conditions
Suppression would be okay if it didn't stop you from playing other curses. Rarran almost had it aside from that interaction I think.
You give up pressure and go neutral on card advantage with early bird but your getting rid of a card you know they can’t cast and event if you wait to hopefully pull a certain card you could pull something higher or not disrupt their turn at all cause they spent no mana on it yet.
Early bird would be so much better in hearthstone, where there is less interaction and comboes are nuts.
unlike hearthstone , runeterra does not have 1 off win conditions
Early bird is not 1//5 at all. Rarely disagree but I think this is easily the worst misleading rating.
It's like you never played with aloof travelers to know how consistently it hits important top end cards.
By virtue of it being 2 spell mana and in the region that generates a ton of new cards it is almost impossible for Early bird to not be a net positive in hurting their strategy.
croupier is a dealer (like in casinos)
Croupier is an example of gallicism.
Everything was spot-on but Early Bird. Card saw pro play at worlds, easily a 4/5.
4 cost Deathgrasp cultist is AMAZING! when you find that deco that really works with this card, it flows so well!
I actualy have been seen alot of early bird lately, either on deck or just created, and its been quite effective against me... its very annnoying to play against tbh...
Early bird is not 1/5. It was maindecked at worlds, so it's 2/5 or 3/5.
Tuskraider is a boat//
1/5 for early bird. Crazy i fear this card
is the Owlcat a bird or a cat? curious...
hey, I actually think boats are pretty neat
Eh, I don't think that deserves a hotfix.. But then I'm an MTG Commander player with the philosophy of "if an opponent let you resolve 2 win-cons with over 8+ mana cost.. they deserve to lose." 🙄
Yeah, Mageseeker was mid. Thank you, Rarran.
please level the audio
Already seen comments calling it out but early bird sees play in elder dragon norra 😎 3/5
Who's uncle Eddie?
Boats are cool bro..
Ichor = Eye-core
Heisho is far from a dead cars in my opinion. Its a lot easier to remove but if your opponent cant remove it, they just lose.
i love rarran
love rarran
Why you hate mage seeker raran
So… does Snnuy not know MTG? Because it seems like there is a disconnect.
2/5 👍👍
Dont take anything rarran says about any other game to heart, I’ll be honest I think he only likes hearthstone and has the worst takes (he can have them of course but he didn’t like hollow knight like come on)