I like flags, and I like history, but how interesting can a ten minute video about the Chinese flags be? Me ten minutes later: oh, quite. Quite interesting.
Why do British people use the word "Quite" quite a lot? I mean, it makes everything sound like trash tbh.(And also am not american, am saying this because usually these type of questions get asked a lot by 'muricans).
When I see the Taiwan flag I think of the red white blue tricolor that secret societies prefer. Their "" holy trinity"" is equality, fraternity, liberty. Also the sun can be seen as the world full of piramids around meaning that they ✡◬ intend to control all the planet as much as possible. Both republics, like almost all republics belong to them ✡◬
@@This-is-my-new-username fascism is a political ideology very evil the symbol is iron cross and swastika a country called Germany or Nazi Germany officially the German Reich was a fascist country in World War II Nazi Germany lost World War II and it was split into West Germany and East Germany and Germany reunited in 1990 called “Federal Republic of Germany” they lost the territories of Pomerania, Silesia, and East Prussia. Note: If you want to know what World War II is it was a global war between the allied powers and the axis powers the leader of the axis powers was Nazi Germany and the leaders of the allied powers were United States, Republic of China, and Soviet Union the Allied Powers were the good countries and the axis powers were the bad countries.
As mainland Chinese, we love the Blue Sky with a White Sun flag since that's one of the first official flag for the new Chinese government and Sun Yat-sen approved it. So sad is being controversial in China since that's still the flag of Taiwan despite the true meaning of the flag is to unite all Chinese people. Sometimes I even think that if there's no civil war, most Chinese would prefer this flag also.
The disappearance of the Beiyang government was mainly due to the death of Yuan Shikai. After that, the Beiyang government had split up and formed several warlords.
After Sun Yat-sen's death, no one can get universal support, and no one can continue to unite the revolutionary parties. And the internal divisions of the Kuomintang became more and more serious, and the various revolutionary parties began to disintegrate. And after that, China soon fell into partisanship and civil war. The legacy of the Beiyang government was largely inherited by warlord Zhang Zuolin and continued to exist in the three northeastern provinces（Manchuria）
Very enjoyable video, nice work ! There are just a few historical mistakes I'd like to adress : 01:00 1860 was actually the final year of the second opium war. The flag was at that point only a naval ensign to differentiate civilian ships from the Chinese Imperial Navy. 02:29 Lu Haodong was not a commander of the Xinhai Revolution, he was actually executed by the Qing in 1895. Since he was nonetheless an early revolutionary, his flag was embraced by many later revolutionaries. 03:27 You probably meant Wuchang, not Wuhan (though the mix up is easily made) 04:18 When the Republic of China was founded in 1912, the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag wasn't in use yet. The 5 Races flag (center) was used as a national flag, and the Iron Blood 18-star flag (left) became the army's flag, as you said. As Sun Yat-sen lost control of the Republic, that came under the influence of former Qing general Yuan Shikai, he organised a new revolution and adopted the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag in 1917 as a rival government. 05:19 Sun Yat-Sen was already dead when the Northern Expedition took place, he died in 1925. The reigns of the Kuomintang passed to Chiang Kai-shek, who united China in 1928, replacing the 5 Races flag for the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag. Modern Chinese history is very complicated, so it's understandable to make mistakes. Your mandarin pronounciation was quite good for someone who dosn't seem to be familiar with it. Anyway, good work, I subscribed :)
@@nicholasng8190 totally wrong. Sun Yat-sen is his art name("号" in Chinese culture) and Sun Zhong-shan is actually derived from his Japanese pseudonym "中山樵"(JP:Nakayama Shō, CN:Zhong-shan-qiao). And his born name is Sun Wen.
Nicholas Ng totally wrong!!!! It similars to Taiwanese or Cantonese pronunciation. Same as your last name Ng, it spells Wu in mandarin, spells Ng in Cantonese.
Well there was something far worse than that: having to shave your hair on the front of your head in the style the Manchus and Mongols did, and facing execution if you refused to.
i speak chinese (mandarin) and min (one of the other languages in the south) got to say i'm really glad you pronounce kuomintang correctly, i was honestly really puzzled as to how you got the pronunciations! if you need my help on translations/pronunciations, just drop a comment! i also know malay and japanese
You'vs said that you speak min. But is it Southern Min, Eastern Min, Pu-Xian Min, Northern Min or Central Min that you are refering to? Just curious as I believe that they are quite different from each other.
LOL Tim even within south min there is a large amount of diversity i speak teochew, but it's been hybridized with hokkien to a certain extent, because that's the dominant variety of min here, actually, the dominant variety of chinese even (singapore) so you could say, i just generally speak 'south min' but that's of course only for me
2:50 it should be pronounced as Sun 'Y'at Sun, Y sound like 'yeah', not J sound what you tried to pronounce is zhong (中) ( Sun Zhong-shan (孫中山)) , not Yat逸 （孫逸仙， Sun Yat-sen ) He had different names, which is quite interesting, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Sun_Yat-sen
@@historywithhilbert Sun Zhong Shan isn't wrong, it's just the Mandarin pronunciation. Although Sun Yat Sen was from Guangdong, near Guangzhou, so I guess the Cantonese pronunciation is Sun Yat Sen. A little more practice on the phonics and you're right there. The tones need work though. That's a whole other story
The colors of the ROC flag in Chinese stands for "青天白日滿地紅", which means "clear blue sky, white sun, and red ground". I learned when I was a kid (80s) from my school teacher that the personification of the flag is to symbolize that peace and a bright future is obtained by the blood, sweat, and sacrifices of the people. However, it just means freedom, equality, and universal love (which Taiwan currently sort of has).
Well that is a nice of way saying it. Meantime it is/was a flag of KMT’s one party state in red, which represents Han Chauvinism. I would totally change the flag if I were from Taiwan. Yet it is associated with RoC’s political legitimacy. If DPP changes it will undermine their political support. Many voted DPP because of their liberal policies. Yet some of them either support reunification or project their patriotic sentiments/identify their Chinese-ness/Taiwan-ness over the ‘RoC’ through flag. Losing RoC will mean that Taiwan will lose the legitimacy of claiming certain rights as a ‘competing government of China’. Some territorial disputes they have will make no sense cuz now they are just separatists.
@@brucculi349 well Taiwan had a rather peaceful democratic transition, not so bloody as China’s 1911 Republican revolution that overthrown the monarchy, nor the northward war that attempted to reunify the country from the warlords... well, u get the idea
@@nehcooahnait7827 Interestingly, China and Taiwan were both totalitarian regimes, but the CCP didn't change as they crushed the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacred people, while Taiwan just gave in to the demands of the people and democratized.
Pretty good job on the pronunciations. I've studied Mandarin for years and your attempts were some of the least ear destroying that I have heard from someone who has not studied the language.
The five races flag reminds me of the old Legoland flag representing the 5 colors of lego bricks, before green and grey were introduced only difference being the lego flag was turned on the side and the placement of yellow and red was switched.
I was surpirsed at how well you pronounced the names in the video, when I saw the end and you said you had help, it made sense, I think that was very nice of you. Made it a lot easier to follow along.
2:24 the Xinhai rebellion started on October 10, 1911 (double ten day) February 12 is when the Qing dynasty officially abdicated. Fyi “Xinhai” is the name of the traditional calendar year in which the rebellion began.
3:07 This is an anachronism, using the claimed borders of the PRC pairing it with the ROC flag. In fact, the claimed borders of the ROC until 1992 were vastly different, most importantly being the inclusion of Mongolia, and no Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.
??Those later two are just regional flags If you count it that way there's a flag for Tibet too. Well I guess it's never supposed to be part of china anyway lul
I think the map you are talking is the territorial claim map the ROC has it prior 2002. They stopped to reclaim Mongolia as part of China on that year in order to make bussiness. Today's map only has PRC territory.
There was actually a Republic of Taiwan flag for a very short time. It was a blue flag with a tiger on it. It was used after the Treaty of Shimonoseki when China gave Taiwan away to Japan. The Taiwanese started the Republic of Taiwan because they didn't want to be ruled by Japan but it only lasted until Japanese troops came and occupied Taiwan.
A flag of a party that lost China for twice. Once in mainland China and the second time in Taiwan. A government that lost every wars, screwed up the economy on every land they rules. A flag of failure does not deserve to be the flag for China.
GREATLFG all these things because of the Japanese’s invasion, and at that time KMT is the only government fight with our enemies. U can say this government is not that good, but at least, kmt is better than some party which bully and oppress their citizens all the time and did nothing when the nation caught in the really bad situation. Maybe u just want be a Japanese, and kmt saved Chinese nations in ww2 so u hate them. I will not blame you for that
@@miyuko8198 Quit pulling nonsense outta your minds. What GREATLFG said was pretty much spot on. I am fine with you being in love with the flag of Taiwan, which I cannot care less. However, you went that far and claimed KMT saved China in WW2? That is one of most hilarious things I've heard in years. I wouldn't have said a thing if you had replaced KMT with USA though, which is not 100% accurate but still makes more sense. It was Uncle Sam that eventually crushed the Imperial Japanese war machine, hence the possibility for China to recover from a war they hadn't been winning. There is nothing to be ashamed of considering it was a war between an agrarian society(China) VS a rising industrial power(Japan). However, If you really need to pick up a domestic hero it still wouldn't be the KMT. It is the sacrifices made by Chinese people that led China to victory, not an authoritarian regime.
@@GREATLFG Losing a general election is not losing a war. And last I checked, Taiwan's economy prospered in the 1960s onwards when the KMT was in power, and many have criticised the DPP for mismanaging the economy in 2000-2008 and even up till this day. The main reason why the DPP won the 2016 and 2020 GEs were all due to the China factor, and not because they could manage the economy any better.
As a Chinese, I have to say you did a great video about the flags (I use VPN to watch if you are wondering). A few corrections though: 1. The first Opium War was in 1840 with the British and in 1860 was the second Opium War with the British and French. 2. We don't really use the phrase "The Second Sino-Japanese War", instead we use "Anti-Japanese War" which started in Sept.18, 1931. 3. I think there were a few other communist based flags used before this one today, but I'm not an expert in those. BTW, well done with the pronunciation!
There's a mistake in the video. Taiwan was given to Japan after the first Sino-Japanese War in 1895. In the same year, local Taiwanese people built up a new nation called ''Republic of Formosa'', and had the ''Yellow Tiger Flag'' as national flag. It was neither widely recognized nor succeeded in fighting against Japanese invasion. So from 1895 to 1945, Taiwan was actually under Japanese colonial rule. At the time when most of the flags appear in this video (for example 03:40) were used, Taiwan wasn't even China. At that time Taiwan was under the Japanese ''Hinomaru'' flag. And that's it, just a small correction. Cheers : )
Fun fact: We the Taiwanese sometimes calls Sun yet san loli con as a joke, B'cus the first time he met his 3rd wife she was only ten and first time met 4th wife she was still a one years old baby. And at that time something like this is totally normal.
2:48 I will say Lu Haodong and Sun Yat-sen were in the same rebel group. They knew each other well, and it was Sun Yat-sen who evangelized Lu Haodong. Sun Yat-sen founded the Revive China Society(興中會), and Lu Haodong helped establish its Hong Kong branch.
I think if we really want to be consistent we should translate it as "nationalist party" since we translate 共产党 (pīnyīn Gòngchăndăng) as "communist party".
I love how your pronunciation of the Chinese words. It wasn't entirely perfect but it was very good and close to the actual pronounciation. Keep up with the good work.
The image at 1:38 is in fact not a Tibetian chocolate advertisement. It's a collectible card which you got when you bought chocolate from a chocolate facturer which was based in Dresden, Germany. The company was producing chocolate and other sweets from 1870 to 1948, so it isn't a really good example for the flag been around even before 1862.
You didn’t even talk about yuan Shikai’s Chinese empire flag nor did you use the beiyang government or the koumintang provinces please make video on yuan Shikai’s flag
The flag at the farthest left of this video's thumbnail was the flag of the Qing Dynasty that was overthrown by the revolution that founded the Republic of China (which is now Taiwan [because it was displaced from mainland China by the communist insurgents who then founded the People's Republic of China]), while the one in the middle and one at the right were the two flags of the Republic of China (the one in the middle being its old one, and the one at the right: its new [currently still used by Taiwan]), and here's a fun fact: the Qing Dynasty wasn't even Han Chinese, but rather: a Manchurian founded, and Manchurian-led Dynasty that was founded after the Manchurians mounted a (sadly successful) insurrection against the Han Chinese-led Ming Dynasty.
I'm Taiwanese, and Chinese history is compulsory subject until high school here. Thanks for this interesting video, helped me a lot 'bout those flags(and understand those ironic countryball animations). 我是台灣人。中國歷史是到高中為止都一定會接觸到的內容。這集讓我更看得懂那些諷刺動畫，蠻有趣的。 俺は台湾人、中国歴史は高校まで必修のもの。この動画のおかげで、皮肉をもっと分かるようになりました。 Btw, I do speak Chinese and some Taiwanese (I'm a native speaker) , which are a little bit similar, and I think there's no problem with your pronunciation. 順帶一提，我會中文跟一點台語(跟你要問的有點像)，我覺得你的發音都OK喔~ ちなみに、台湾語（少しだけだが）と中国語を日常に使ってるが、発音に問題なしだと思うよ～
@The Professional Well, if you're talking about people, Taiwan has already been an independence country after WW2. If you're talkin' about language, Taiwanese is actually more similar to Cantonese at first. After colonized by japan, Taiwanese vocabularies is like an hybrid of these two.
Fun fact that I just looked up: the Wuhan 18-star flag that became the army flag of ROC Beiyang government was changed to a 19-star one when it's used in that army. As someone mentioned, 18 starts meant the 18 'mainland' provinces (that were mostly Han dominated), but eventually ROC included much more than that. (I think I saw it in a museum that there were 22 provinces, plus minority regions that have more autonomy). People from those provinces that weren't included (especially the NE 3 provinces, which were considered Manchu heartland but by then already a lot of Han living there, including the Zhang family which would be the warlord government that got overthrown by the Nationalists). Hence they added the 19th star at the center, symbolizing the rest of the country (or China as a whole). And there was debate weather the 19th star should be larger (like the top left star of the modern Chinese flag) or equal size. Eventually equal size was adopted because people agreed with a more devolved government (or even federation, like many in the new world) as opposed to a French (and most of the European) style centralization.
It's fun to see that you use the western/Cantonese spelling of sun Yat sun name, but pronounce it in mandarin 😝. Also, great pronunciation! Also, Chiang Kai Shiat is Jiang Jie Shi in mandarin, Zhong Zheng is his given name, so it's only used in very formal/ceremonial occasions, Jie Shi is his courtesy name, so it's more used by people .
The pronunciation was great but there’s only one think I would comment on; most people call Sun Zhong Shan as Sun Yat Sen in English, they’re different names for the same person. It might confuse English speaking people. But in Cantonese we do say Sun Zhong Shan
3:33, 4:30 You mentioned the red flag of 18 golden stars, but actually you are showing the red flag of 19 golden stars. The difference is the star at the center. They added one star because the original 18 golden stars represented the 18 provinces of the China proper and excluded the 3 provinces of the northeast China. Here is the Wikipedia page for the flag, English version is not available though: zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%81%E5%85%AB%E6%98%9F%E6%97%97
Some opinions/comments (I am a HongKonger and has some grasp of East Asian History/politics): 1. I actually think that Qing dynasty can't be totally considered as China. The Qing rulers are Manzhus, who aren't actually ethnically "Chinese". They only ruled the geographical China, with a mix of both Chinese and Inner Asian (Manzhus, Tibet, Mongols etc) systems and cultures to a certain extent. Foreigners may refer the Qing Empires as the representation of China in international system, but for Chinese nationalist revolutionaries (the KMT), initially the Qing is more considered as a foreign occupation of Chinese land. That is partly becoz in the English language, the word "China"/"Chinese" has too much ambigiouity, it can mean the geographical place and could mean the ethnicity, and could mean the nation as well (Somehow the Current Chinese government manipulates this to push their imperialist agenda, that's why we HKers and Taiwanese hated to be called Chinese, even tho to many foreigners we are ethnically Chinese), . Therefore, we couldn't simply say the Qing flag is a "Chinese" flag with further clarification. 2. The "Rising Sun Flag with Red background" is the flag of Republic of China. The ROC doesn't actually equals to Taiwan. The is certainly becoz of politics, and in international laws and stuffs, the question of the status of Taiwan is still unclear. For many Pro-independence Taiwanese, the ROC is somehow like a Chinese conqueror of them, and not totally the state that represents their nation. As there are no one single universally recognized state of Taiwan currently, and as even in Taiwan, this flag is not called the "flag of Taiwan" by everyone, so i think it is better not to simply refer the "Rising Sun Flag with Red background" as "the current Taiwanese flag" without some more clarifications/explanation. Still, this is a good and interesting video as it clearly listed out the flags that were once considered to be the flag representing China. I hope my comments can help makes things clearer and keep up the good work!!
IN ANCIENT TIME, CHINA WAS RULED BY MANY DYNASTIES ALTERNATELY. EACH DYNASTY HAD THEIR OWN RIGHT-TRIANGLE FLAG. THE FLAG IS SO SIMPLE, JUST WRITTEN THEIR NAME IN THE CENTER, SUCH AS: 秦=CHIN 漢=HAN 明=MING
Ton Lito I mean technically many did. During the warlord era (the part where the original Republic of China exploded) some warlords continued to use the flag to claim legitimacy as the true successor of China.
Don't seem to find any cantonese phrases. Cantonese isn't common at all, except out of China due to the large number of people who looked for work outside China and in HK.
Both red and yellow colors were seen as royal colors by ethnic Chinese(Han and Ming dynasties worshiped Red while Tang dynasty worshiped Yellow), blue is seen as royal color by Mongols, the Manchus are in between they had both yellow and blue as imperial colors but leaned more towards the yellow side.
8:08 What is he saying there? I'm sure it means "thank you", but I don't know what he is saying because there are no subtitles. I wonder if somebody could tell me?
The founder of the ROC and KMT has a formal English name, Sun Yat-San. He is the only person regonised by both sides. His wife Song Qinglin was the vice-president of the PRC.
Jann Ryan Novela Never..tens of thousands of westerners are living in China, just search China vlogs.. plenty of then has been posted on UA-cam everyday..
@@oiawoo9168 It is forbidden for government officials and communist party members to use VPN. Doing so may result in losing of the job. For rest of the people it is not really enforced until we start to criticize the party or the government and gain some influence. They are lowering the threshold for detaining people though.
I just wanted to point out that when the Republic of China was founded, Taiwan was part of Japan as a colony. It was not till the end of WWII the nationalist(Kuomingtang) occupied Taiwan, and eventually retreat to the island after losing the war against Mao and his communists.
Fun fact: 5 claw dragon is only used by Chinese emperors, all other dragons you see are 4 claw dragon, also known as Python, are given to rulers of kingdoms who used to take China as "parent" nation... That includes Korea, Vietnam, Japan etc., you can think of it as historical common wealth?
Hilbert, at the 3rd minute of your video, you placed the Republic of China flag next to a southern small island on the map, that is the Hainan island which all along belongs to the People Republic of China. Taiwan island is at the 4 o'clock location of the map. Please take note.
If I remember it right, back in the days before the Qing created an official flag for china, the Chinese flags just has random colours and the letters of the dynasty slapped in the middle
kudos to the pronunciation, its much better than other youtubers out there who absolutely butcher it, but still not quite the best though good enough compared to others
I like flags, and I like history, but how interesting can a ten minute video about the Chinese flags be?
Me ten minutes later: oh, quite. Quite interesting.
Nabium Glad you found it interesting!
Why do British people use the word "Quite" quite a lot?
I mean, it makes everything sound like trash tbh.(And also am not american, am saying this because usually these type of questions get asked a lot by 'muricans).
@@appleslover I think it's related to the "keep calm and carry on" attitude that results in many things being downplayed so as not to seem intrusive.
@@historywithhilbert Wuhan Virus Flag is nice!
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When I see the Taiwan flag I think of the red white blue tricolor that secret societies prefer.
Their "" holy trinity"" is equality, fraternity, liberty.
Also the sun can be seen as the world full of piramids around meaning that they ✡◬ intend to control all the planet as much as possible.
Both republics, like almost all republics belong to them ✡◬
crush fascism.
@@modedealer8155???
1) What is fascism?
2) why [your comment here]?? Why crush fascism?
This comment:
Afghanistan: Am I a joke to you?!
@@This-is-my-new-username fascism is a political ideology very evil the symbol is iron cross and swastika a country called Germany or Nazi Germany officially the German Reich was a fascist country in World War II Nazi Germany lost World War II and it was split into West Germany and East Germany and Germany reunited in 1990 called “Federal Republic of Germany” they lost the territories of Pomerania, Silesia, and East Prussia. Note: If you want to know what World War II is it was a global war between the allied powers and the axis powers the leader of the axis powers was Nazi Germany and the leaders of the allied powers were United States, Republic of China, and Soviet Union the Allied Powers were the good countries and the axis powers were the bad countries.
I just researched these flags the other day for a D&D group - Dank je Hilbert voor het verrijken van mijn kennis
Neat
Geen probleem hoor!
Lol me almost understanding Dutch but not really.
As mainland Chinese, we love the Blue Sky with a White Sun flag since that's one of the first official flag for the new Chinese government and Sun Yat-sen approved it. So sad is being controversial in China since that's still the flag of Taiwan despite the true meaning of the flag is to unite all Chinese people. Sometimes I even think that if there's no civil war, most Chinese would prefer this flag also.
Just to add： The first flag was the five-color flag. The blue sky with a white sun flag also symbolizes the dictatorship of the Kuomintang.
@@flyingshark9300 no at first it was not the dictatorship (when the sun is in the center of the flag not on the top left side)
@@flyingshark9300 don't know that much about china but i know this that 5 calor flag is symbol of dictatorship too
One day hopefully
You can only represent you, not us, everyone loves the five-star red flag
but... Sun Yat-sen died in 1925. It was Chaing Kai-shek who overthrew the northern Warlords during the Northern Expedition
The disappearance of the Beiyang government was mainly due to the death of Yuan Shikai. After that, the Beiyang government had split up and formed several warlords.
After Sun Yat-sen's death, no one can get universal support, and no one can continue to unite the revolutionary parties. And the internal divisions of the Kuomintang became more and more serious, and the various revolutionary parties began to disintegrate. And after that, China soon fell into partisanship and civil war. The legacy of the Beiyang government was largely inherited by warlord Zhang Zuolin and continued to exist in the three northeastern provinces（Manchuria）
Chaing never overthrew those warloads. He was one of them.
Along with CCP as the KMT leftist and big part of their army.
That ks almost the name of the school i go but now the name is chino panameño
Very enjoyable video, nice work !
There are just a few historical mistakes I'd like to adress :
01:00 1860 was actually the final year of the second opium war. The flag was at that point only a naval ensign to differentiate civilian ships from the Chinese Imperial Navy.
02:29 Lu Haodong was not a commander of the Xinhai Revolution, he was actually executed by the Qing in 1895. Since he was nonetheless an early revolutionary, his flag was embraced by many later revolutionaries.
03:27 You probably meant Wuchang, not Wuhan (though the mix up is easily made)
04:18 When the Republic of China was founded in 1912, the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag wasn't in use yet. The 5 Races flag (center) was used as a national flag, and the Iron Blood 18-star flag (left) became the army's flag, as you said. As Sun Yat-sen lost control of the Republic, that came under the influence of former Qing general Yuan Shikai, he organised a new revolution and adopted the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag in 1917 as a rival government.
05:19 Sun Yat-Sen was already dead when the Northern Expedition took place, he died in 1925. The reigns of the Kuomintang passed to Chiang Kai-shek, who united China in 1928, replacing the 5 Races flag for the Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag.
Modern Chinese history is very complicated, so it's understandable to make mistakes. Your mandarin pronounciation was quite good for someone who dosn't seem to be familiar with it. Anyway, good work, I subscribed :)
The Blue Sky White Sun Red Earth flag was used as the navy jack during the early Republic era.
@@gsmiro The OP is correct, the blue sky white sun flag was used as a naval jack (not blue sky white sun wholly red earth).
Correct
Wuchang and Hankou merged into Wuhan, which is part of Wuhan.
The KMT with the sun in the middle is so clean. I prefer it to the ROC flag.
I'm Chinese and I can speak Mandarin and Cantonese. BTW your pronunciation of Chinese names are really good!
Mr. Sauce he pronounced the Cantonese pronunciation of his name “Suen Jong Shan”
Sun yat sen is his Japanese name
@@nicholasng8190 totally wrong. Sun Yat-sen is his art name("号" in Chinese culture) and Sun Zhong-shan is actually derived from his Japanese pseudonym "中山樵"(JP:Nakayama Shō, CN:Zhong-shan-qiao).
And his born name is Sun Wen.
I think he might be chines american. His accent sounds familiar to me.
@@linpan2561 his accent is not American at all though, it's British
Nicholas Ng totally wrong!!!! It similars to Taiwanese or Cantonese pronunciation. Same as your last name Ng, it spells Wu in mandarin, spells Ng in Cantonese.
I wouldn't want to be a kid that has to draw the dragon flag under the Qing Dynasty
Well there was something far worse than that: having to shave your hair on the front of your head in the style the Manchus and Mongols did, and facing execution if you refused to.
i speak chinese (mandarin) and min (one of the other languages in the south)
got to say i'm really glad you pronounce kuomintang correctly, i was honestly really puzzled as to how you got the pronunciations!
if you need my help on translations/pronunciations, just drop a comment!
i also know malay and japanese
You'vs said that you speak min. But is it Southern Min, Eastern Min, Pu-Xian Min, Northern Min or Central Min that you are refering to? Just curious as I believe that they are quite different from each other.
LOL Tim even within south min there is a large amount of diversity
i speak teochew, but it's been hybridized with hokkien to a certain extent, because that's the dominant variety of min here, actually, the dominant variety of chinese even (singapore)
so you could say, i just generally speak 'south min'
but that's of course only for me
Google translate of course...
Southern Min here. And I also speak Cantonese and philippine tagalog.
崴哥 nope
singapore
Man, it is a thrill to see my name in the credits on such a great video. Vexillology has always been a passion. Keep up the great work! Doei!
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Thank you so much for your support Benn I really do appreciate it!
Absolutely love the attention to detail when pronouncing non-English names, other channels could learn a lot from your approach.
Especially a certain one whose entire purpose is to "explain" various "names"...
It doesn't matter. At all.
2:50 it should be pronounced as Sun 'Y'at Sun, Y sound like 'yeah', not J sound
what you tried to pronounce is zhong (中) ( Sun Zhong-shan (孫中山)) , not Yat逸 （孫逸仙， Sun Yat-sen )
He had different names, which is quite interesting,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Sun_Yat-sen
Thanks for the advice!
@@historywithhilbert Also, Sun died in 1925, before the 1928 expedition (which your text suggests he led at 5:17).
the one who taught him was probably a mainlander. the mainlanders more frequently call him Sun Zhong shan in mandarin
@@xXxSkyViperxXx so do Taiwanese in Mandarin.
@@historywithhilbert Sun Zhong Shan isn't wrong, it's just the Mandarin pronunciation. Although Sun Yat Sen was from Guangdong, near Guangzhou, so I guess the Cantonese pronunciation is Sun Yat Sen. A little more practice on the phonics and you're right there. The tones need work though. That's a whole other story
The colors of the ROC flag in Chinese stands for "青天白日滿地紅", which means "clear blue sky, white sun, and red ground". I learned when I was a kid (80s) from my school teacher that the personification of the flag is to symbolize that peace and a bright future is obtained by the blood, sweat, and sacrifices of the people. However, it just means freedom, equality, and universal love (which Taiwan currently sort of has).
Taiwan currently certainly does represent those ideals. It didn't under Chiang though.
Being a puppet of the United evil States is not freedom.
Well that is a nice of way saying it.
Meantime it is/was a flag of KMT’s one party state in red, which represents Han Chauvinism.
I would totally change the flag if I were from Taiwan. Yet it is associated with RoC’s political legitimacy. If DPP changes it will undermine their political support. Many voted DPP because of their liberal policies. Yet some of them either support reunification or project their patriotic sentiments/identify their Chinese-ness/Taiwan-ness over the ‘RoC’ through flag.
Losing RoC will mean that Taiwan will lose the legitimacy of claiming certain rights as a ‘competing government of China’. Some territorial disputes they have will make no sense cuz now they are just separatists.
@@brucculi349 well Taiwan had a rather peaceful democratic transition, not so bloody as China’s 1911 Republican revolution that overthrown the monarchy, nor the northward war that attempted to reunify the country from the warlords... well, u get the idea
@@nehcooahnait7827 Interestingly, China and Taiwan were both totalitarian regimes, but the CCP didn't change as they crushed the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacred people, while Taiwan just gave in to the demands of the people and democratized.
Pretty good job on the pronunciations. I've studied Mandarin for years and your attempts were some of the least ear destroying that I have heard from someone who has not studied the language.
I'm in Hong Kong.
I twitch every time someone says Shenzen instead of Shenjen for Shenzhen.
Glad they weren't too horrific ;)
@@bobs_toys isnt it like shentschen
@@historywithhilbert I didn't cringe.
I do a lot of cringing. My parents lived in the bloody place for years but were still mispronouncing it
Ehhh, he mispronounced "shan" when he said Sun Zhongshan.
I've always wanted to know when they picked up the fancy red flag.
red means revolution in China bro
@@davyzeng in china and everywhere bro
The modern one? It's very iconic I'll give it that.
@@davyzeng red color is very very old besides communist meanings. it traditionally referred to the south or even meant happiness
7:45 I see you use my flag of the Congo Free State. That must mean you are a fan of me, I knew it!
Bloody killer lol
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If only I had hands to click like
The five races flag reminds me of the old Legoland flag representing the 5 colors of lego bricks, before green and grey were introduced only difference being the lego flag was turned on the side and the placement of yellow and red was switched.
3:28 hmm yes... Wuhan
and its flag looks similar with viruses
@@jonathankhalilov5327 just a coincidence?
Lol, it actually looks like the corona
@@jonathankhalilov5327 holy moly you're right omg illuminati confirmed
C O V I D 1 9. F L A G
I was surpirsed at how well you pronounced the names in the video, when I saw the end and you said you had help, it made sense, I think that was very nice of you. Made it a lot easier to follow along.
As a native Mandarin speaker myself, your pronunciation is brilliant! Greeting from Taiwan(Republic of China).
good to see someone appreciating history. good work.
Cheers Ezio!
@@historywithhilbert love all of your videos.
Your topics always exactly what I need, thanks!
Thanks Andy I'm glad you enjoyed it!
2:24 the Xinhai rebellion started on October 10, 1911 (double ten day) February 12 is when the Qing dynasty officially abdicated. Fyi “Xinhai” is the name of the traditional calendar year in which the rebellion began.
06:46 Anti-Communism? That didn't age well.
How so? He's goverment was anti Communist. Funnily enough he was part of the Left-KMT before the Wuhan-Nanjing split
3:07 This is an anachronism, using the claimed borders of the PRC pairing it with the ROC flag. In fact, the claimed borders of the ROC until 1992 were vastly different, most importantly being the inclusion of Mongolia, and no Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.
Another great video! I always learn at least one thing from your vids and am always entertained.
Thanks Isaac!
I am a bit late but goig to comment anyway, great video as always. Greetings from Bayern, Germany :)
there are still 3 flags in China now too, China (5-star), Hong Kong (bauhinia) and Macau (lotus) , war is bad bad
??Those later two are just regional flags
If you count it that way there's a flag for Tibet too. Well I guess it's never supposed to be part of china anyway lul
The map at 3:05 is PRC's map not ROC's map. One of the differences is that Mongolia was part of China's territory.
I think the map you are talking is the territorial claim map the ROC has it prior 2002. They stopped to reclaim Mongolia as part of China on that year in order to make bussiness. Today's map only has PRC territory.
@@leddarklight7566 But in this video, it is explaining the history before.
a mistake is that from 1912-1928 the Chinese flag is the 5 colour one,and in 1860 it is the second opium war,the first one is in 1840
You are one of the best history channels Hilbert, also when are you ever going to do another weimar republic video.
Thank you so much man! I should get back to doing some Weimar soon actually.
There was actually a Republic of Taiwan flag for a very short time. It was a blue flag with a tiger on it. It was used after the Treaty of Shimonoseki when China gave Taiwan away to Japan. The Taiwanese started the Republic of Taiwan because they didn't want to be ruled by Japan but it only lasted until Japanese troops came and occupied Taiwan.
As a Chinese I love the flag of Taiwan now, and it’s the real China in my heart.
A flag of a party that lost China for twice. Once in mainland China and the second time in Taiwan. A government that lost every wars, screwed up the economy on every land they rules. A flag of failure does not deserve to be the flag for China.
GREATLFG all these things because of the Japanese’s invasion, and at that time KMT is the only government fight with our enemies. U can say this government is not that good, but at least, kmt is better than some party which bully and oppress their citizens all the time and did nothing when the nation caught in the really bad situation. Maybe u just want be a Japanese, and kmt saved Chinese nations in ww2 so u hate them. I will not blame you for that
@@miyuko8198 Quit pulling nonsense outta your minds. What GREATLFG said was pretty much spot on. I am fine with you being in love with the flag of Taiwan, which I cannot care less. However, you went that far and claimed KMT saved China in WW2? That is one of most hilarious things I've heard in years. I wouldn't have said a thing if you had replaced KMT with USA though, which is not 100% accurate but still makes more sense. It was Uncle Sam that eventually crushed the Imperial Japanese war machine, hence the possibility for China to recover from a war they hadn't been winning. There is nothing to be ashamed of considering it was a war between an agrarian society(China) VS a rising industrial power(Japan). However, If you really need to pick up a domestic hero it still wouldn't be the KMT. It is the sacrifices made by Chinese people that led China to victory, not an authoritarian regime.
@@GREATLFG Losing a general election is not losing a war. And last I checked, Taiwan's economy prospered in the 1960s onwards when the KMT was in power, and many have criticised the DPP for mismanaging the economy in 2000-2008 and even up till this day. The main reason why the DPP won the 2016 and 2020 GEs were all due to the China factor, and not because they could manage the economy any better.
@黃崇瑜C.Y. HuangTo tell you the truth, we don't care what country you are from, we only care about when the land of Taiwan will be recovered
what a brilliant channel. i share your love of language, flags, geography. the triple threat! cannot recommend your channel enough sir.
As a Chinese, I have to say you did a great video about the flags (I use VPN to watch if you are wondering). A few corrections though: 1. The first Opium War was in 1840 with the British and in 1860 was the second Opium War with the British and French. 2. We don't really use the phrase "The Second Sino-Japanese War", instead we use "Anti-Japanese War" which started in Sept.18, 1931. 3. I think there were a few other communist based flags used before this one today, but I'm not an expert in those.
BTW, well done with the pronunciation!
There's a mistake in the video. Taiwan was given to Japan after the first Sino-Japanese War in 1895. In the same year, local Taiwanese people built up a new nation called ''Republic of Formosa'', and had the ''Yellow Tiger Flag'' as national flag. It was neither widely recognized nor succeeded in fighting against Japanese invasion.
So from 1895 to 1945, Taiwan was actually under Japanese colonial rule. At the time when most of the flags appear in this video (for example 03:40) were used, Taiwan wasn't even China. At that time Taiwan was under the Japanese ''Hinomaru'' flag.
And that's it, just a small correction. Cheers : )
Fun fact: We the Taiwanese sometimes calls Sun yet san loli con as a joke, B'cus the first time he met his 3rd wife she was only ten and first time met 4th wife she was still a one years old baby. And at that time something like this is totally normal.
The flag with the dragon was cool.
Hello, I am Taiwanese🤣🇹🇼
Thank you for making this historical video !
I feel very good! ! 👍
Your Chinese pronunciation is very good ! ☺️ (發音很好 ! ）
2:48 I will say Lu Haodong and Sun Yat-sen were in the same rebel group. They knew each other well, and it was Sun Yat-sen who evangelized Lu Haodong. Sun Yat-sen founded the Revive China Society(興中會), and Lu Haodong helped establish its Hong Kong branch.
2:35 tang actually means party in Chinese so you should call it the kuomin party.
... why not country people party? Kuomintang is the name.
I think if we really want to be consistent we should translate it as "nationalist party" since we translate 共产党 (pīnyīn Gòngchăndăng) as "communist party".
Dope vid hilbert.
Thanks Zachary!
The 5 races under one union flag looks really cool. A bummer the KMT abandonned it.
Sut Yat-Sen was also not alive in 1928, he died in March 12th, 1925.
It was considered racist by Sun, and it will still be considered racist today. ;)
It isn’t good. There are many other ethnic groups in China not just these five
Your pronunciation was fantastic, I'm about to start my 6th year of mandarin.
I love how your pronunciation of the Chinese words. It wasn't entirely perfect but it was very good and close to the actual pronounciation. Keep up with the good work.
The image at 1:38 is in fact not a Tibetian chocolate advertisement. It's a collectible card which you got when you bought chocolate from a chocolate facturer which was based in Dresden, Germany. The company was producing chocolate and other sweets from 1870 to 1948, so it isn't a really good example for the flag been around even before 1862.
You didn’t even talk about yuan Shikai’s Chinese empire flag nor did you use the beiyang government or the koumintang provinces please make video on yuan Shikai’s flag
The flag at the farthest left of this video's thumbnail was the flag of the Qing Dynasty that was overthrown by the revolution that founded the Republic of China (which is now Taiwan [because it was displaced from mainland China by the communist insurgents who then founded the People's Republic of China]), while the one in the middle and one at the right were the two flags of the Republic of China (the one in the middle being its old one, and the one at the right: its new [currently still used by Taiwan]), and here's a fun fact: the Qing Dynasty wasn't even Han Chinese, but rather: a Manchurian founded, and Manchurian-led Dynasty that was founded after the Manchurians mounted a (sadly successful) insurrection against the Han Chinese-led Ming Dynasty.
That’ the second opium war from 1856 to 1860. The (first) opium war is from 1840.
Just the right content for a midnight binge.
I'm Taiwanese, and Chinese history is compulsory subject until high school here. Thanks for this interesting video, helped me a lot 'bout those flags(and understand those ironic countryball animations).
我是台灣人。中國歷史是到高中為止都一定會接觸到的內容。這集讓我更看得懂那些諷刺動畫，蠻有趣的。
俺は台湾人、中国歴史は高校まで必修のもの。この動画のおかげで、皮肉をもっと分かるようになりました。
Btw, I do speak Chinese and some Taiwanese (I'm a native speaker) , which are a little bit similar, and I think there's no problem with your pronunciation.
順帶一提，我會中文跟一點台語(跟你要問的有點像)，我覺得你的發音都OK喔~
ちなみに、台湾語（少しだけだが）と中国語を日常に使ってるが、発音に問題なしだと思うよ～
@The Professional Well, if you're talking about people, Taiwan has already been an independence country after WW2.
If you're talkin' about language, Taiwanese is actually more similar to Cantonese at first. After colonized by japan, Taiwanese vocabularies is like an hybrid of these two.
the 5 races looks the best imo. dragon the coolest, but the 5 races looks clean and nice
but it lacks originality, every countries flag seems to be a few stripes.
Great video!
Fun fact that I just looked up: the Wuhan 18-star flag that became the army flag of ROC Beiyang government was changed to a 19-star one when it's used in that army. As someone mentioned, 18 starts meant the 18 'mainland' provinces (that were mostly Han dominated), but eventually ROC included much more than that. (I think I saw it in a museum that there were 22 provinces, plus minority regions that have more autonomy). People from those provinces that weren't included (especially the NE 3 provinces, which were considered Manchu heartland but by then already a lot of Han living there, including the Zhang family which would be the warlord government that got overthrown by the Nationalists). Hence they added the 19th star at the center, symbolizing the rest of the country (or China as a whole). And there was debate weather the 19th star should be larger (like the top left star of the modern Chinese flag) or equal size. Eventually equal size was adopted because people agreed with a more devolved government (or even federation, like many in the new world) as opposed to a French (and most of the European) style centralization.
It's fun to see that you use the western/Cantonese spelling of sun Yat sun name, but pronounce it in mandarin 😝. Also, great pronunciation! Also, Chiang Kai Shiat is Jiang Jie Shi in mandarin, Zhong Zheng is his given name, so it's only used in very formal/ceremonial occasions, Jie Shi is his courtesy name, so it's more used by people .
I think it was the Cantonese pronunciation of 孫中山, not Mandarin
2:50 the way you say his name actually sounds like Cantonese
Isaac L Are u Chinese?
Yeah, he said Sun Zhongshan, which is his official alias.
4:50 Couldve also just changed the stripes from horizontal to vertical
I mean, you're not wrong
Politics aside, I think ROC flag is one of the best looking flags ever for a country.
Politics included, I think the government of the ROC are the true Chinese government.
The five races flag was also use by Manchuko (a Japanese puppet state during WW2).
Lol.. 😴😴😴
Cody Shi also by various warlord factions like Fengtian (Zhang Zuolin) and Feng Yuxiang’s Guominjun
great job. my grandma from Manchuguo told me about these hard times and how they had to bow to different flags from one day to another.
Good learn video, it will def help me remember it!
The pronunciation was great but there’s only one think I would comment on; most people call Sun Zhong Shan as Sun Yat Sen in English, they’re different names for the same person. It might confuse English speaking people. But in Cantonese we do say Sun Zhong Shan
Nice Content
The Qing flag was clearly the best one, imo. Aesthetic, beautiful, amazing use of colours.
The Qing flag looks more recognizably Chinese than the other flags.
Chinese vexillology dates way before Qing Dinasty. Simply, there was no idea of "national flag" back then
Henlo does u own the channel that post all kinds of flags and anthems?
I like the 5-races flag the most
It respects the existence of the 5 races.
@@matthewlo55 what about the other races? I think it sux
Fun fact, Hui at the time mainly referred to the Uyghurs rather than the current Hui (Chinese Muslims).
@Slender Man But the bigger star actually represented the Communist party, and the smaller stars the people.
@Slender Man no, its not. Officially, the largest start representing the communist party. The others 4 stars representing 4 different classes
The Opium war in 1860 was the second opium war, not the first.
From 8:56...thats the nicest way to end a video, stay safe sir
Thanks for timestamp. Now l can watch it more shortly👍🏻😉 the best China->🇧🇹
Is “Dr Sheldon Cooper’s fun with flags” episodes
3:33, 4:30 You mentioned the red flag of 18 golden stars, but actually you are showing the red flag of 19 golden stars. The difference is the star at the center. They added one star because the original 18 golden stars represented the 18 provinces of the China proper and excluded the 3 provinces of the northeast China. Here is the Wikipedia page for the flag, English version is not available though: zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%81%E5%85%AB%E6%98%9F%E6%97%97
Some opinions/comments (I am a HongKonger and has some grasp of East Asian History/politics):
1. I actually think that Qing dynasty can't be totally considered as China. The Qing rulers are Manzhus, who aren't actually ethnically "Chinese". They only ruled the geographical China, with a mix of both Chinese and Inner Asian (Manzhus, Tibet, Mongols etc) systems and cultures to a certain extent. Foreigners may refer the Qing Empires as the representation of China in international system, but for Chinese nationalist revolutionaries (the KMT), initially the Qing is more considered as a foreign occupation of Chinese land. That is partly becoz in the English language, the word "China"/"Chinese" has too much ambigiouity, it can mean the geographical place and could mean the ethnicity, and could mean the nation as well (Somehow the Current Chinese government manipulates this to push their imperialist agenda, that's why we HKers and Taiwanese hated to be called Chinese, even tho to many foreigners we are ethnically Chinese), . Therefore, we couldn't simply say the Qing flag is a "Chinese" flag with further clarification.
2. The "Rising Sun Flag with Red background" is the flag of Republic of China. The ROC doesn't actually equals to Taiwan. The is certainly becoz of politics, and in international laws and stuffs, the question of the status of Taiwan is still unclear. For many Pro-independence Taiwanese, the ROC is somehow like a Chinese conqueror of them, and not totally the state that represents their nation. As there are no one single universally recognized state of Taiwan currently, and as even in Taiwan, this flag is not called the "flag of Taiwan" by everyone, so i think it is better not to simply refer the "Rising Sun Flag with Red background" as "the current Taiwanese flag" without some more clarifications/explanation.
Still, this is a good and interesting video as it clearly listed out the flags that were once considered to be the flag representing China. I hope my comments can help makes things clearer and keep up the good work!!
I guess you can say we were “figuring things out” in 1911-1928
IN ANCIENT TIME, CHINA WAS RULED BY MANY DYNASTIES ALTERNATELY. EACH DYNASTY HAD THEIR OWN RIGHT-TRIANGLE FLAG. THE FLAG IS SO SIMPLE, JUST WRITTEN THEIR NAME IN THE CENTER, SUCH AS:
秦=CHIN
漢=HAN
明=MING
Interesting information!
Five Races Flag? Sound like something Warlords would fly.
Ton Lito I mean technically many did. During the warlord era (the part where the original Republic of China exploded) some warlords continued to use the flag to claim legitimacy as the true successor of China.
Because it was the War Lord era.
xinhai REVOLUTION. not rebellion
It depends on which side you're on. On Qing Dynasty's side, that's definitely a kind of rebellion.
Very impressive! Learned a lot about my own country's history, which is not even taught objectively in school.
Don't seem to find any cantonese phrases. Cantonese isn't common at all, except out of China due to the large number of people who looked for work outside China and in HK.
The Taiwanese flag, people usually describe it, “Blue sky, white sun, and full of red. (青天白日滿地紅)”
I do appreciate you awareness for Cantonese pronunciation ❤️
Both red and yellow colors were seen as royal colors by ethnic Chinese(Han and Ming dynasties worshiped Red while Tang dynasty worshiped Yellow), blue is seen as royal color by Mongols, the Manchus are in between they had both yellow and blue as imperial colors but leaned more towards the yellow side.
I liked the way you pronounce qing, I know Chinese mandarin since childhood and if I remember correctly you spoke with correct pronunciation...
Oh! Fun With Flags! Cool!
1860 was actually the Second Opium War with the British and the French, not the first
8:08 What is he saying there? I'm sure it means "thank you", but I don't know what he is saying because there are no subtitles. I wonder if somebody could tell me?
anyone else pissed off that he's not only showing Taiwan as part of china in this video but Tibet as well?
The founder of the ROC and KMT has a formal English name, Sun Yat-San. He is the only person regonised by both sides. His wife Song Qinglin was the vice-president of the PRC.
The first "Qing" flag is so majestic and beautiful.
It's so sad that China must be under such terrible state :(
They used the western countries to take advantages especially in their economy so that's why they are becoming more powerful as we imagine...damn shit
most of us can get access to UA-cam with VPN. 👌
Jann Ryan Novela Never..tens of thousands of westerners are living in China, just search China vlogs.. plenty of then has been posted on UA-cam everyday..
@@oiawoo9168 It is forbidden for government officials and communist party members to use VPN. Doing so may result in losing of the job. For rest of the people it is not really enforced until we start to criticize the party or the government and gain some influence. They are lowering the threshold for detaining people though.
I just wanted to point out that when the Republic of China was founded, Taiwan was part of Japan as a colony. It was not till the end of WWII the nationalist(Kuomingtang) occupied Taiwan, and eventually retreat to the island after losing the war against Mao and his communists.
Fun fact: 5 claw dragon is only used by Chinese emperors, all other dragons you see are 4 claw dragon, also known as Python, are given to rulers of kingdoms who used to take China as "parent" nation... That includes Korea, Vietnam, Japan etc., you can think of it as historical common wealth?
The thumbnail is bound to start an argument
Hilbert, at the 3rd minute of your video, you placed the Republic of China flag next to a southern small island on the map, that is the Hainan island which all along belongs to the People Republic of China. Taiwan island is at the 4 o'clock location of the map.
Please take note.
If I remember it right, back in the days before the Qing created an official flag for china, the Chinese flags just has random colours and the letters of the dynasty slapped in the middle
kudos to the pronunciation, its much better than other youtubers out there who absolutely butcher it, but still not quite the best though good enough compared to others
I'm just curious, Buthan also uses a yellow flag with clawed dragon. Does that have any connections with the Chinese Qing dynasty flag?
3:29 * Sweating Intisifies *
You should’ve talked about the chinese civil war too so you could reach that 10 minute mark