Athery's chart is a useful tool for determining ballpark values for a given set of bowler metrics in the dual angle layout system. In a very real sense, this chart is the foundation of the system. This basically allows you to easily and consistently calculate the median or "benchmark" layout for a given bowler style, on a typical house shot. All other layouts originate from this initial calculation. Note: on symms, the distance from the center of thumbhole to the PIN is a significant variable. 6.75" is minimum RG and max diff. All other values increase the RG of the X-axis and consequently reduce total diff.
Can you also show how the ball react on the lane after drilling your layout. It would be easier to understand how a ball roll when you do a specific layout.
I understand where you are coming from, however I do not see the value in showing what it looks like after creating a layout video. Everyone throws it differently, factors of the house/lanes, etc. If it were to be a comparison video, then absolutely whether that be a comparison between bowling balls or layouts. Having me throw a ball after I drill it up during a layout video wouldn’t do any justice. Sure, it will give you a decent look, but not to the entirety that it needs to be to fully push the concept. If you wish to see how a ball rolls after a layout, I recommend watching Storm’s Pin Buffer video series. There are three parts to the series, and each video explains how different pin-to-paps, psa-to-paps (in this case because it’s a dual angle video it would be called the Drilling Angle), and pin buffers (in this case it would be the VAL angle because of Dual Angle) look with three different drilling patterns.
Great that's ...my son is a two handed bowler and people are telling him that his balls are layed out wrong and it got into his head so I want to make sure and show him the video when yo post it ...thanks again
I just got my exotic gem drilled. My PAP is 4 13/16 and up 9/16. I bowl high rev with a bowl speed is averaging 17 to 19mph. I stand more left and cross to right. He drilled 20x4 1/4x55. Does that sound about right? With that layout what should the ball do in your opinion
With that layout based on your style, the exotic should read and hook early while providing good shape downlane. For you and your arsenal, this should be a stronger layout for you and I would not go any stronger on other equipment.
Hi Martez, I am not too sure what you mean by standard drilling. Feel free to expand on that. I am assuming you mean putting the pin above the bridge or pushing the pin to the right of the ring finger (for right handed players). Basically your two “standard” layouts. There is a huge advantage using dual angle. You can fine tune the ball 10x more for players or yourself. I would recommend using some type of layout system in order to drill the ball the way you want the motion to look. Again, it’s more of a fine tuner.
@@bowlersvault I have another question. So depending on your specs as in tilt, rotation, rev, speed, one layout numbers will be different than another's as in I have 20°tilt and lower rotation I am more flat handed say someone with low tilt and high rotation would use a different layout or would work best for them and may not for me. So my question is, I'm sure im making it more confusing... what type of layout should I be using.??? Of I'm making sense. Another thing bowling balls as in. High rg balls for me I noticed go straight, go long for ever. So I personally should stay away from them and go for mkre of a lower to med rg?
@@StephRenee812 With your tilt being on the higher side, I would normally stick with lower RG bowling balls. Its always good to have 1 or 2 high RG balls, but you will most likely find more success with lower RG balls. If you ever find some of your bowling balls going to long as well, I would recommend changing the surface to something lower grit for more traction
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Wonderful explanation and the detail of what the angles do. Thank you!!
Best explanation of the layout so far.
Thank you sir!!!
Thank you sir that was very helpful. Now I need to find pap
Athery's chart is a useful tool for determining ballpark values for a given set of bowler metrics in the dual angle layout system. In a very real sense, this chart is the foundation of the system. This basically allows you to easily and consistently calculate the median or "benchmark" layout for a given bowler style, on a typical house shot. All other layouts originate from this initial calculation.
Note: on symms, the distance from the center of thumbhole to the PIN is a significant variable. 6.75" is minimum RG and max diff. All other values increase the RG of the X-axis and consequently reduce total diff.
good to use for people getting their feet wet into experimentation of layouts! Definitely would recommend for beginner and intermediate bowlers!
Never hears if it
Can you also show how the ball react on the lane after drilling your layout. It would be easier to understand how a ball roll when you do a specific layout.
I understand where you are coming from, however I do not see the value in showing what it looks like after creating a layout video. Everyone throws it differently, factors of the house/lanes, etc. If it were to be a comparison video, then absolutely whether that be a comparison between bowling balls or layouts. Having me throw a ball after I drill it up during a layout video wouldn’t do any justice. Sure, it will give you a decent look, but not to the entirety that it needs to be to fully push the concept. If you wish to see how a ball rolls after a layout, I recommend watching Storm’s Pin Buffer video series. There are three parts to the series, and each video explains how different pin-to-paps, psa-to-paps (in this case because it’s a dual angle video it would be called the Drilling Angle), and pin buffers (in this case it would be the VAL angle because of Dual Angle) look with three different drilling patterns.
Can you do a video on laying out a ball for a two handed bowler or is it basically the same ..thanks
i will post a two handed layout video soon!
Great that's ...my son is a two handed bowler and people are telling him that his balls are layed out wrong and it got into his head so I want to make sure and show him the video when yo post it ...thanks again
@@hawserdog2 definitely. Be sure to sub and turn the post notifications bell so you know when I upload it! Should be sometime this week!
I just got my exotic gem drilled. My PAP is 4 13/16 and up 9/16. I bowl high rev with a bowl speed is averaging 17 to 19mph. I stand more left and cross to right. He drilled 20x4 1/4x55. Does that sound about right? With that layout what should the ball do in your opinion
With that layout based on your style, the exotic should read and hook early while providing good shape downlane. For you and your arsenal, this should be a stronger layout for you and I would not go any stronger on other equipment.
Hi. Is there an advantage in drilling using the dual angle or standard drilling?
Hi Martez,
I am not too sure what you mean by standard drilling. Feel free to expand on that. I am assuming you mean putting the pin above the bridge or pushing the pin to the right of the ring finger (for right handed players). Basically your two “standard” layouts.
There is a huge advantage using dual angle. You can fine tune the ball 10x more for players or yourself. I would recommend using some type of layout system in order to drill the ball the way you want the motion to look. Again, it’s more of a fine tuner.
What is that thing in the background i guess u sit the ball in it?
I use it to find bowler’s PAPs
@@bowlersvault I have another question. So depending on your specs as in tilt, rotation, rev, speed, one layout numbers will be different than another's as in I have 20°tilt and lower rotation I am more flat handed say someone with low tilt and high rotation would use a different layout or would work best for them and may not for me. So my question is, I'm sure im making it more confusing... what type of layout should I be using.??? Of I'm making sense. Another thing bowling balls as in. High rg balls for me I noticed go straight, go long for ever. So I personally should stay away from them and go for mkre of a lower to med rg?
@@StephRenee812 With your tilt being on the higher side, I would normally stick with lower RG bowling balls. Its always good to have 1 or 2 high RG balls, but you will most likely find more success with lower RG balls. If you ever find some of your bowling balls going to long as well, I would recommend changing the surface to something lower grit for more traction