Vince Russo highlights major issue with The Bloodline
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Even though WWE may be on fire at the moment with The Bloodline leading the charge, former WWE head writer Vince Russo is not a fan. He doesn't think that the members of the faction have individual personalities. Dr. Chris Featherstone and EC3 then talk about how the original nWo was diluted by the addition of new members. Will The Bloodline face the same issue as well? Find out in this edition of The Wrestling Outlaws. It's a power-packed edition like never before.
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Except the new guys are Tongan. They are Haku’s boys. Maybe we could say “Polynesians”.
They are more over than all the AEW debuts
What does Samoans that no one can tell apart have to do with AEW?.....#ButinAEW
@@blackjack23ableI’m Samoan, and I can tell them apart. I also know that they’re not Samoan, but Tongan. I can tell the difference between Tahitians and Samoans, Tongans, Hawaiians, Fijian. And OP is right, the little introduction they got, the announcers giving some background, etc, helped advance their story vs how people just pop up on AEW and get put in random dream matches and no backstory.
Big deal WWE is like 50+ years old.
@@raysiva no shade bro, I just think WWE Overall is underwhelming.
Bloodline is the best storyline going rn.
Jacob Fatu will stand out
There's only 5 or 6 Bloodline members.. NWO had ridiculous numbers, they also had a faction in Japan so no they're not alike at all.
and they seem like they are gunna wrap up an ending too the bloodline unlike nwo.... why do u think solo is taking the head position... its gunna lead too turmoil and a split at the very least. they never once even thought about how too end the nwo story.
But they're introducing members faster now. Opposed to before when they took time bringing in Jey, Jimmy, Solo etc.
@@kevinlee9929The reason why they're speeding up the process is because either Rock and/OR Reigns is returning 👍. They're trying to make sure everything is in place before either the final boss returns or when Face Reigns returns.
@@SS-tg8lf That may be true. But it causes the new members to suffer. Instead of them being introduced and properly built into the group. They're being rushed in and the character suffers because of it
Tama and Tonga are the son's of Haku. They aren't Samoans, plus they are og Bullet Club. There is a big difference. They are nothing like Solo Also Jimmy and Jey are different from each other, and so is Roman. And Solo is separating himself as someone with his own character. So they should be fine and stand out.
Its obvious theres gonna be a feud with this new bloodline vs roman jimmy and jay as babyfaces eventually
Ec3 finally got head. Good for him
I thought the problem with the NWO was Bischoff being up Hogans ass and never even writing an ending in the storyline to have wcw finally win
I agree, and I was the biggest nWo mark. Here is how I would have done it. The fast count (if it were fast) would have made sense to set up a rematch where sting wins cleanly. Leads to nwo split and civil war which ends the following starcade.
WCW won when Sting beat Hogan at Starrcade 97 they also won the night Luger beat Hogan on Nitro.
"Bischoff being up Hogans ass"
😂😂
I felt like NWO had way too many people. If it was so cool why does the LWO exist? It’s a laughing stock now they could’ve kept it going. Keep 1 key member to pass the torch. It got sideways back then too so that’s why most don’t care smh
Isn't roman different from the uso's. Isn't jey different from Jimmy and isn't solo different from all three? The wwe fans have just been introduced to tama Tonga and Tonga loa. And isn't it gonna take some time to see their own personalities, and how different they are from the rest imo.
Tama Tonga and Tonga Loa are both nearly 40 so they're no spring chickens. They've been NJPW guys for a really long time and NJPW isn't known for its great character building of wrestlers.
Exactly
@@jayone1371 I mean they'll be fine as being killers but they probably won't be elevated to any main events other than multiple person main events like WarGames.
@@joemckim1183 they just there, we just have to see
@@jayone1371 We still haven't seen Jacob Fatu debut.
Russo is way off on this take. The bloodline is a great way to showcase the island boys. Its a great way to get them involved in main event angles right out the gate. Samoans and Tongans are some of the most durable and capable pro wrestlers to ever step into a ring. You could create a more injury resistant wrestler if you built them in a lab. The bloodline wont always be the same members, it wont always have the same leadership or do the same things. Heck, the bloodline might not even always be the main event focus. This isnt hogan, nash and hall. This is journeyman, durable, talented workers booked to get them over.
We already tried the Uso's wearing face paint and doing a tribal dance during their entrance. We have had enough islanders acting like savages straight off of giligans island. This is much better in my opinion. Lets not pretend that Russo was ever the master of long term storytelling or getting anyone over that wasnt named hogan, nash or hall.
Also... EC3 seriously needs to lay off the human growth hormone. I am not going to get into the medical implications that anyone can google, but damn dude. The cartilage in his nose is growing at an alarming rate along with his forehead.
the bloodline is better than the nwo i love the nwo
Nah I wouldn't go that far take Roman out of the Bloodline are they still better?
Here’s the problem I have with this take. Roman, Jey, Jimmy and Solo all already have characters. You had two guys debut in a month or so, if you give a character time to develop then you can have this take. We haven’t even had a chance to see what GoD or Jacob are yet. You’ll see them soon.
Why does EC3 speak with his eyes closed? 😂💀
The 3 stands for his 3rd eye he always has his 3rd eye open.
Unrelated but he has a odd shaped head. Not badhing him a fan but just oddly shaped. My head is wide so that's life lol
Probably the coke
😂I"ve Been wondering the same thing😂
😂😂
@@terryindachat7296 He's got the Artie Lange nose in this video.
Roman only one over. He the 🐐
The problem is they didn't throw in the actual family members
Chris is right. The booking is lately for the Bloodline has been lousy. It started after that losing streak that Solo shouldn't have gone through. And it continues now saying we're the best when they clearly need help.
Solo finally has been able to stand out. Hes been acting like a street boss. jey uso is the most over babyface on the roster. Jimmy is bland. Ill give that. tama tonga is unhinged and is scary to another level. The other guy just debuted one week ago. So, i think russo is wrong on 5 of the 6 lol. What do you want to write for them bro? Make one push a girl off the steps and have a miscarriage? That was gold bro. ..
I don't think they should put every Fatu in the Bloodline.. like Jacob,,, just debut him on Raw and have him be his own character. He'll get over on his own.
Jacob is gangsta
They brought emotion and drama from 2020-2024
ur saying its just two new solos.... ya cuz solo has positioned himself to take over as the new tribal chief they need new solos..... until roman comes back and there is tension about who is the chief....
Solo ain't the leader. 😂👍. He's taking orders from the Rock.
To many of them, it's annoying
Every story has to have a beginning, middle, and most importantly an ending. Hopefully the Bloodline isn’t run into the ground like the NWO eventually was.
Hmm I wonder how they cant tell them apart, I mean its easy Tama Tonga is the Hotter one easy 😂
But I agree I hope they make them a real developing characters rather than a side character that ends up nowhere after the Story.
Russo at times...is quite off with his casual take on wrestling stuff...The bloodline civil war isn't the NWO
He's off very often.
Shimp was the best stooge if ec3 doesnt see that then he'll be my mortal enemy for life.
You gotta look deeper into our characters other then what you see is savages.
Nobody wanted Camacho or Jobber Tonga
Ec3 makes no sense to say they need to show each of their unique individually so people will care. With all due respect ur full of bs. Apparently he forgot The shield didnt individually show that until their last part in their first run. If its handled right its not impossible to make the fans care the shield proved that
I like bloodline, tbh it's them and drew/punk feud that's carrying WWE during Rock's, Roman's and Lesnar's absence. Even without Rock+Roman the bloodline 2.0 >>>> that crybaby champion. Solo can work the mic just fine. Gan'sta Solo is cookin 🔥
Lets all remember that we couldn't tell Jey and Jimmy Uso apart from each other until they started to cut their hair different from each other.
I thought i was the only one who couldnt tell a difference
@@nineteeneightynine432 Jimmy Uso is bigger and taller and his face paint was on the right side and his hair was more smooth
Jey Uso is smaller, his hair was thinner and curlier when he had long hair, his face paint was on the left side and Jey’s face looked meaner and he has a lazy eye
@@RiceCooker-ge2te dude it took me years to differentiate the Bella twins Idk lol
@@nineteeneightynine432 I had the same problem, I couldn’t tell the usos and Bella’s apart
But then I paid attention to the faces and I noticed that Jimmy and Nikki had more normal faces and Jey and Brie had different faces idk
Vince is right
Hi Dr Chris Sika could have been an amazing singles wrestler in 1988 they had him fight Hulk Hogan on the SNNE it was a very different and entertaining match Sika was right there doing well vs Hulk had they built up stronger storyline it could have been a long term feud leading into a Pay Per View sure he's wasn't at the level of his son Roman but he held his own
why not have one of the samoans wrestle on nxt and build a story there too? wouldn't hurt
This is what happens when you are creatively bankrupt like triple h is.
I don' t see it, I'm sorry...I'll give them credit for keeping fans engaged & I'll give Roman credit for playing his part but I think The Bloodline storyline( Soap opera)is so overrated. One of the biggest story arc's was about Sami trying to fit in & then finally becoming their friends.....& fans just ate it up.smh, Sounds like an after school special .
The bloodline is the only thing that’s interesting in wrestling
6th inning
This palagi Vince must not know what a Tongan is
When Roman and The Rock come back people would care
Yokozuna..but his gimmick 2as he was jappanesse..
They watered it down to mraning nothing ..but then russo wanted to book nwo 2000 in WCW. This guy owns up to nothing and twists everything.
I mainly never agree with Vince Russo. But the new Bloodline sucks. None of them have a personality. They aren't good. Solo isn't a believeable leader. A interim leader. They don't feel like stars. The Bloodline need to go away it's done its over. WWE went to that well once to many times till it dried up. Let the other members do their thing. Let Roman leave to Hollywood for good. Let Jey do his thing already. Same as Jimmy. The Bloodline is done. The fact that you ruin people who are over just to advance the Bloodline story. Is starting to backfire on WWE. The Tama Tonga and LA Knight match got lots of more dislikes than likes. Why are you destroying people that are over.
Im already bored to death with the bloodline after we had rock and roman get replaced by jobbers
This may be the dumbest series of takes all year.
If it’s not too many white guys; it’s not too many Samoans
White guys aren't front and center like the Samoans are (Cody is the only one), but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Wwebonics era
Hold Russo to his shit. He’s often wrong in the long term, but people have short memory spans. When they establish personality traits, he’ll then state that they haven’t done it enough.
Barely anyone in WWE actually has personality traits. He's not wrong here. We have wrestlers who wrestle. Who is Seth Rollins? Who is Finn Balor? Who is Ricochet? Gargano? McDonagh? Gable? Creeds? The people they're showcasing on TV don't have definable traits. You're saying "when they establish personality traits" but the long term talents still don't have any. They're just on to fill time.
The new wwebonics era . Same ole crap but hey at least we're blackrock checkbox diverse
Worldsuperstar hip hop.
The Bloodline is now irrelevant and boring
EC3 has been doing his nose curls
How is this like the NWO the NWO was never this entertaining or it was never able to last this long the bloodline is already surpassing anything I expected and I love Tama tanga and tango loa seeing them in wwe is fucking great give me Zillia fatu I want me some Zilla fatu Russo is an idiot thinking this can be compared to Nwo
It can't be compared The NWO blows it out of the water..
You can't be serious .....
@@kevinlee9929 you can't be serious to think the Nwo can be compared to the Bloodline no matter how you The Bloodline has been the most interesting story in years and they aren't just Samoans like Russo said they are talented gifted and fucking good solo on his own was good now he is joined by Tama tanga and tango loa even better give me Zilla fatu and it's complete get out of here you Russo supporter sometimes Russo can be right but in this case ge isn't
@@rasheedgodley6050 The NWO led to the 2nd Boom period in wrestling history occuring. Was the main reason that WCW beat WWF in the ratings (Which no company has done since). Till this day their T Shirts sell like crazy. And groups continue to try to emulate them. The Bloodline has had nowhere near the impact that the NWO had. And those that think they do were either not born yet in 96 or in extreme denial 😂😂
The NWO led to the second "Boom" period in wrestling history. Led to the WWF starting the Attitude Era. Groups still try and emulate them till this day. Their shirts still sell like crazy. And they were the main reason that WCW was beating WWF in the ratings. Which another company hasn't done since. The Bloodline has not had the impact of the NWO. And anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves 😂
EC3, your nose is going to fall apart like Artie Lange, take it easy.
The beginning of the Bloodline was great. Around the time Sami and the Usos turned, that should’ve ended the story. I have compared the Bloodline to the nWo simply because it started out hot but now has been done to death. It’s now a game of seeing which An’oai cockroach will come debut next. I understand wanting to work with and get your family paid. But this story has overshadowed Smackdown as a brand to the point where hardly anyone else matters. And Smackdown has many great talents but the Bloodline takes up most of the show. No group or faction should ever overshadow the brand and the only draw in that group is Roman Reigns. The rest are the Samoan and Tongan supporting cast.
It has elevated Jey and Solo is also being elevated.
noone is watching the bloodline for their personalities dude... we watch because we like the personalities of the faces that they are crushing.... why would u humanize the heels? just ass kicking samoans is exactly what they are and exactly what we want.... idc if solo sikoa paints or water skis on his off time i hope hes thinking about killing cody on his off time thats what they have presented to thge audience and thats why its working... u r reaching here vince. when they split and the bloodline is over u will start to characterize them. in fact u r starting to get more out of solo now he was silent killer now hes trying to run the thing.... this is the best thing theyve done in ten years just wait and watch it all wrap up.
I agree with you. Tho I think Chris had a good point in that in this day and age it seems true that WWE has been looking for that big instant pop rather than letting characters develop and that's mostly true. However I think you nailed it because at the moment Triple H is wanting this version of the Bloodline a bunch of ruthless unapologetic blood thirsty killers and the audience is definitely buying it with the now constant Roman chants as fans are already wanting Roman to come back now to confront Solo and company. But we still have months of them continuing to bully Paul Heyman (which the fans are loving right now) as well as terrorizing anyone on the main roster including Cody at some point. I respect Russos takes often but the comparison to the NWO isn't the same at all here. In my opinion other than the CM Punk vs Drew McIntyre feud This bloodline story is all most care about right now.
@@billylindsey3678 ya to me its drew n punk, bloodline, and whatevers going on with karrion kross lol jk
One guy is a "writer" who no company wants to touch because of his brain dead ideas. The other is best known for being the nephew of dixie Carter. Yet, they are experts.
Brain dead ideas which saw 2 of the 3 companies he was head writer for reach record high viewership, while WCW's viewership was showing signs of gradual improvement during both of his runs there, contrary to popular belief. You don't get praise from the likes of Austin, Rock, Angle, Michaels, Foley and Jericho (to name a few) if you have brain dead ideas.
@@TheNextStep851 yes, I've heard this Russo was perfect spin plenty of times.
@@josereyes1148 You've clearly put out the Russo was a complete failure spin plenty of times as well. Maybe try looking at the numbers which back him up.
@@TheNextStep851 The numbers back him up because he spins them. His direction In WCW sucked, which is why they wanted him out of the role a few months in. He spins it that they wanted him to be part of a booking team so he went home, which is true. He leaves out that they wanted him to be apart of a booking team because they hated his ideas. A successful guy doesn't get demoted three months in. That's an example of taking something that is true and spinning it so that you're not at fault. And I never said he was a complete failure. That's you spinning what I said to win an argument. I said he had brain dead ideas. Which he did. And Vince McMahon got Alot of praise as well. That doesn't mean he didn't have terrible ideas.
@@josereyes1148 How does he spin them? The numbers are the numbers. There is no spinning them. They are factual data.
"His direction in WCW sucked" - completely subjective. I thought it was a huge improvement on what WCW was throughout 1999 before he got there, and clearly the viewers thought so because they were tuning back into Nitro.
Regarding WCW wanting him out within a few months because of supposed bad booking, this is false. Kevin Sullivan and JJ Dillon have talked about this on Sullivan's podcast a couple of years ago. JJ got Sullivan his job back over Russo's head which is why Russo cut that scathing promo on him when he showed up in TNA. In JJ's own words, he wanted to get his buddy a payday on the Titanic and saw the opportunity to do it because management had some woman from the music industry that knew nothing about wrestling handling contracts. Then factor in Hogan and Flair wanting to keep their spot at the top of the card. Did backstage politics suddenly cease to exist or do we just conveniently ignore that so there's 1 more reason to trash Russo's booking?
In those 3 months, Russo took Nitro from 2.6 - 3.4. He had the viewership up by 20% in his first 2 weeks and they only dropped below 3.0 twice (in December). That's actually quite remarkable given how long it generally takes a TV show to grow its audience. RAW in 1997 took 9 months to consistently do 3.0+ ratings.
I got sick to death of watching that paper champion Roman Reigns and his gang of thugs. THIS is an extension of something that was already boring and overplayed.
You don't like it, OK, but you can't say it's overplayed. It's still the storyline that draws the most in wrestling, and its climax is coming soon.