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Gandalf's Weathertop Battle & 19 Other Changes Peter Jackson Made to "The Fellowship of the Ring"
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Welcome to Ep. 7 of Movies vs. Manuscripts, where we are analyzing Aragorn and the Hobbits' journey into the wild and their Nazgul encounter on Weathertop! Did you know Gandalf had a duel with the Ringwraiths?
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0:00 Gandalf Faced The Nazgul Alone...
1:19 Movie Recap
2:20 Character/Timeline/Location Changes
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Thanks God Twitter wasn't out when this was released because what PJ did compared to Amazon is a hell of a lot worse lore wise. Amazon deserve a lot more praise
Andy Serkis’s performance in the reading of the lord of the rings is pretty amazing! Some of my favorite audio books of all time!
Big difference, in the books Frodo isn't passive. He attacks the Nazgul after putting on the Ring. he only cuts off a piece of cloth from the Witch King's cloak.
And I think he shouts the name Elendil, which puts them off
Frodo being too passive/weak is a theme of the whole trilogy
Oh, and one more thing. Frodo charging is why the witchking misses Frodo's heart. The movie fails to explain why he stabs Frodo's shoulder.
He doesn’t start out passive at all in the books . He cuts the hand off the Barrowwight and calls for Bombidil , in Moria he stabs the cave troll in the foot. By the end he doesn’t even want to carry a sword and give Sting to Sam. In the films he has no arc.
@@jimvaiknoras7822 He definitely has an arc in the movies. (centered around the ring)
I agree that it was a shame not to include Gandalf's fight, but for me the bigger problem is making the hobbies idiots who are cooking when in immenent danger, and the attack being their fault. But then that is all part of turning Merry and Pippin into comic relief, something they were not in the books, Merry in particular.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ they weren’t made to look like idiots. They were being Hobbits. Light hearted and carefree despite the dangers. Weathertop is where it starts to sink in about the danger.
They aren't idiots, just very naive. They've never experienced true danger in their lives, of course they would prioritize their stomachs over their inapparent unsafety.
Have you both above me even read the books? If y'all did then you would understand what the commenter meant
@@boredasf-zy8bj But it doesn't matter, because the movie did *not* make them into idiots for cooking a meal, it's an entirely reasonable mistake and makes sense for them to do. The movie is NOT the book, it stands and falls on it's own merits.
@@Bloink i know, i love the movie on its own, im just stating the fact as a 1st time book reader after years of watching the films only...PJ decision to skip old forest and brandybuck is understandable and also why they wouldn't seem like idiots on weathertops because of their lack of experience... If you know scouring of the shire you would know a hobbit's nature ain't natural it's a long time building to be like that, and also battle of fornost the last war they participated before scouring of the shire.... But hear me, the books never made the hobbits seems like comedy reliefs and idiots at all, they are trolls and have loud mouth but they're no idiots, PJ version of the hobbits are still the best screen adaptation of the hobbits(species) ever but it doesn't steer away from the fact the commenter said
Gandalf's confrontation with the Nazgûl isn't shown in the movie, it is hinted at by the fact it's onlt five of the nine Ringwraiths and Arwen saying "There are five wraiths behind you. Where the other four are, I do not know." at Trollshaw. In the book, it's because Gandalf lets the other four chase after him because Aragorn and the Hobbits can't handle all nine as they're the most powerful when they're together.
Gandalfs fight is definitely cool, but his power is definitely less questioned as hes a wizard. Watching Aragorn absolutely humiliate the Nazgul establishes him as a somewhat superhuman swordsman making the rest of his feats seem more legit.
And he technically is superhuman.
He's half elf and half man and not just any man but a direct descendant of like the OP men.
So yea for the middle earth, he's basically a xmen
Gandalf already got his moment of badassary with *DO NOT TAKE ME FOR A CONJURER OF CHEAP TRICKS!* So it was good to get Aragon shining.
Quickly becoming one of my most anticipated coming videos love the series great original idea keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Again, I pretty much just agree with everything you said. Seeing (or hearing about later) Gandalf’s fight with the Nazgûl would have been *so* cool.
Aragorn followed the hobbits into Bree. He was the shadow shape that snuck over the gate.
We’re 100% getting that Gandalf/Nazgul fight in The Hunt For Gollum.
Another great instalment which I enjoyed very much. I would make a couple of points though, one of which could be described as very petty. The minor point is that the Hobbits did not spend the night in Striders room, they stayed in the parlour (where they had eaten supper prior to going into the common room earlier that evening) and where they retreated to after the unfortunate incident with the ring. They rekindled the then dying fire from earlier and see that Strider has followed them into the room. Various discussions between the Hobbits, Strider and Butterbur then take place after which Strider then goes with Nob to get the Hobbits possessions from the Hobbits room. Upon his return Strider bars the widow and door of the parlour in preparation for the night. Whilst I would agree that the culprits responsible for the attack on the Hobbits room where never actually stated, I always concluded it was the Black Riders. The reasons for this is that the 'attack' which caused Merry to pass out, Strider says, was induced by the 'black breath'' Also we know that there are Black Riders within the walls of Bree because Strider tells us that he saw them enter (he doesn't state how many) through the southern gate. Your excellent video has made me rethink the assumption I have held for the last 50 years, because I also recall that Strider clearly stating that he doubts that the Black Riders would attack an inn inhabited by numerous 'people', preferring to conduct an attack in the wild! Sorry for all the nerdiness but if I can't do it on this channel where can I do it? Very much looking forward to the next instalment.
Love this! Great points, thanks for commenting this. I’m no Tolkien expert and my favorite part of making these is getting to nerd out with the community!
Keep up the great work. I’m cheering you on. This is going to be awesome if you see this through!
The scene of the Nazgul hitting the cushions is btw an almost 1:1 adaption from the old 1978 animated film. As know who knew that older film, I found Peter Jackson took more than one scene from this old animated movie.
Yea there’s a lot of 1:1 recreations from that haha Bakshi doesn’t get enough credit!
@@factorfantasyweeklyYes, particularly the scene where the hobbits hide under the tree when they first meet the Ringwraith.
It's in the books as well, though not as the movie shows it. The black rider doesn't get off his horse to sniff about, but frodo does hear him sniffing, I believe if I remember correctly, that Tolkien writes something like, from the hood came a sound, as if someone was sniffing to catch a scent, as his head turn side to side.
But the movie does this scene so DAMN well, especially the chase afterwards. I f'ing love it hahha
Right or wrong is a topic for debate for eternity, I am of the opinion that when the screenplay team was deciding what to cut and what to alter, it was said many times that "the nerds will have a field day with this one". Truer words are seldom spoke. Kind of like that song, "Lets give them something to talk about"
Love that 😂
Second Breakfast wasn’t wholly made up for the movie. It comes from ‘The Hobbit’ novel. Second Breakfast is what Bilbo was eating in Bag End the morning after the dwarf party when Gandalf comes in to drag him along on the adventure (movie portrayed that differently).
There wasn't going to be snow when they filmed the scene but it began to snow and it snowed so much that the police came and told the film team to leave. The next day, the team came back and they had to film despite having snow cuz they couldn't get rid of it (or didn't have time or budget to get rid of it).
Wait I never realized that it was supposed to be unclear who attacked the room in Bree😭
Aragorn's room in The Prancing Pony was definitely NOT "across the street". Medieval buildings were, in many instances, complicated structures that often contained large courtyards, a great hall, kitchens, butteries, stables, and lodging rooms. There is no reason to think that Professor Tolkien, who grew up around many of these structures, wouldn't have designed The Prancing Pony around this basic layout. So, the hobbits were in the same building, The Prancing Pony, but across the interior courtyard, in the "mens" portion of the inn, and not the "hobbit" portion.
The Nazgul scene inside the prancing pony is informed by Bakshi's version...
Short answer is that Jackson disrespected Tolkiens works by leaving out things and inventing new things.it was the Nazgûl who trashed the roo. The inn had two wings with a courtyard. Aragorn’s room was in the other wing on a higher floor while the the Hobbits room was at ground level, designed for Hobbits. It was NOT a gross the road. I waited from 1977 for this book to be made into a movie and while it was well made, it was very bitter sweet to see what was put forth. I never warmed to Elijah Wood, I found his demeanour slightly forced and at times cheesy; whereas Viggo’s casting was perfect. I agree with you about Weathertop but disagree about Bill Ferny. I was appalled at the inn scene where Frodo put the ring on. Why change the book’s story there?
Viggo, while great, is about the only actor who is a bit off at times, since he didn't get much time to prepare for the role.
I love this series you're doing, and you do a fantastic job of it. But there is one mistake you made that I'll share because I'm a major LotR nerd :) It's super minor and almost not worth mentioning, but I noticed it and verified it in the book, so I felt proud of myself and wanted to tell you :) Anyway, they did NOT spend the night in Strider's room at the prancing pony. The hobbits didn't just have one room. They had a suite, which included a parlour. It is in this parlour (British spelling, like in the book) where all the conversations happened, and it is there that they slept. They piled their gear there, they blocked the door with a chair and shut the window. They built up the fire in the hearth. Whoever attacked that night came into the bedroom through, I believe, the windows there, and never tried to enter the parlour.
Why does Gandalf in the thumbnail look like an old Arnold Swaggenigger in a gandalf costume 😂
Chad-dalf
The problem with Gandalf, as with all wizards and magic, is that you can't make him too powerful. Showing him defeating all the Nazgul would've done that, methinks. I'll have more on this when we get to Return of the King.
Really enjoying this series! Thanks!
There's no good reason to believe that it wasn't Nazgul who attacked Merry at Bree (using the Black Breath, as Aragorn points out).
I think the critical thing with the changes PJ and co made to Lord of the Rings - compared to the changes made to the Hobbit and Rings of Power - is that there is balance in those changes. All of these changes feel like equal and opposite reactions to other changes that sustain the overall tone of the books.
Reflecting particularly on Rings of Power, it's not even the scale and scope of the changes themselves so much as how they feel uneven and lacking balance. Obviously RoP's problems are not restricted to its deviations from Tolkein, but I think there's a reason I watch this video and think "Oh, that's cool." and I see RoP and think "Wow, that's wrong."
A little nitpick about an omission from your description of Gandalf's book timeline: in the books, not only does Gandalf escape from Isengard much sooner than in the film, but he then heads to Bree (after first visiting Edoras, and then picking up Shadowfax for the first time), arriving shortly after Strider and the hobbits left, and gets the latest news from Barliman. Only after that does he (as you said) ride directly east along the main road, reaching Weathertop 3 days before they do.
The Nazgul do indeed throw down the gates, but not until the next day, when Gandalf has reached there and heard about the hobbits and Strider. The book says the following, by Gandalf's telling at the Council of Elrond: "Five at least came from the west, and they threw down the gates and passed through Bree like a howling wind; and the Bree-folk are still shivering and expecting the end of the world. I got up before dawn and went after them."
I think the film is preferable when it comes to revealing the nazgul's identity already in Bree. For some unclear reason, Tolkien very deliberately keeps two things secret until Rivendell: The identity of the nazguls and the fact that Strider knows Bilbo and knows that he lives in Rivendell. During the chapters leading up to Rivendell, Tolkien drops little intricate clues, so that the reader can put the puzzle together piece by piece and basically figure it out for themselves, with a little cunning. But I can't find any logical or tension-related reason for it. Then it is much better, and more realistic, to explain exactly what the Nazguls are, as in the film. That doesn't make them any less scary.
Monday, September 4, 1967: 6 inches of snow fell overnight in Old Forge, New York. The real world was a much colder place when Tolkien wrote the books. Snow in October would have been common in much of the Northern Hemisphere.
I always thought an even cooler scene to include would have been the Fellowship's defense against the Warg attack in Hollin, just before they arrive at Moria. We get a pretty good idea of Gandalf's power there!
I love the difference between that attack and the warg attack on the dwarfs in the hobbit where Gandalf climbs a tree and sends some sparks down among them! Shows how “fatherly” he was to the dwarfs - you have to do this yourself, but I won’t let anything bad happen to you.
There's no explanation for where Aragorn got those 4 swords... I guess we can assume there is a cache of weapons nearby left behind by Dunedain (in the book, there is an obvious place where the Dunedain stay around Weathertop). It's still a minor plot hole, though, since the short swords the Hobbits got from the Barrow were enchanted blades of Westernesse, designed specifically to combat the Witch-King, perhaps in opposition to things like Morgul-blades, and it gave Merry an advantage later on.
The battle between Gandalf and the Nazgul reminds me that I always thought Gandalf or Aragorn should have killed one Nazgul. Maybe the retreat from Osgiliath with Gandalf. Maybe Aragorn wielding Narsil sometime before the Battle of Minas Tirith. This would play into the paranoia Sauron had and rushed the attack before his forces were ready.
The whole point of the Nazgul, and why they were so scary was that it was impossible to kill them permanently as long as the one ring existed. Like they 'killed' all of the Nazgul at the Rivendell ford when the water swept them away, but that basically just sent them back to Mordor to reform. Which is why it was really weird that Tolkien then went against the rules he had set up himself by having the witch king be killed permanently at Pelennor fields.
@Klaital1 That only worked because of Mary's barrow blade. Those blades were specially forged to kill spectral entities like wraiths, so it wasn't tollkien ignoring his own rules at all he had set it up that a hobbit would help in the defeat of the witch king when they got those blades as Bombadil explained the blades to them(and the reader) back then.
@@tamakunminnip2117 Yes, but Eowyn still killed the witch king with, as far as we know, perfectly normal sword without any special anti ghost abilities.
@@Klaital1 the barrow blades were Designed to weaken wraiths allowing them to be killed by mortal blades, Essentially Eowyn would have never been able to kill the Witch King without Mery or at least his dagger.
@@Klaital1 It was his destiny to be killed by a woman. so Tolkien did not went against his own rules.
I think PJ did the right thing with omitting the fight between Gandalf and the Nazgul. Throughout the entire movie trilogy, the Nazgul are portrayed as the boogeyman that everyone feared, to include Gandalf the Gray. It is only when Gandalf the White after the fight with the Balrog that he has the confidence and power to fight off multiple Nazgul like we see in the RotK when he rides out to aid the Gondorian riders as they are chased by the Nazgul on Fell-beasts. Your video mentioned that the Black Riders were chased off by the hobbits in Crickhollow. In my opinion, that would diminish the threatening essence of the Black Riders, of which one "no man can kill".
My big question..where did Aragorn go to during the first part of the attack?
Love this, watch the trilogy Every year but never read the books so Im learning so so much from this series, commenting and liking every video to help out and hopefully going all the way through all movies/ books
I appreciate it! 🙏🏼 Hopefully I’ll make it all the way through. 💀😂
You won’t regret reading the books.
If they followed the books exactly, the movies would have been 20 hrs long.
And what an awesome 20 hours it would be!
They couldn't include gandalf the grey fighting off the nazgul. It would have made a nonsense of the scene in the return of the king when the witchking breaks gandalf the white's staff!
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It seems like a trend that Jackson cut powerful gandalf scenes
I agree and I don't like it either. Overall though PJ did a pretty good job, but the script could definitely have been better.
For example I don't like how they cut out Glorfindel and made such a big fuss about Arwen. I didn't like the Warg attack in TT.
That the WK broke Gandalf's staff in ROTK was terrible.
And Faramir should not have taken the hobbits to Osgiliath.
To name a few.
See, in the LOTR movies, additional scenes that weren't in the books STILL WORK. Second breakfast is one of the most iconic scenes in the trilogy, and you wouldn't know it wasn't in the book. Nowadays, it's so glaringly obvious whether or not somethings in the book.
You could make these longer man like not just a few scene but a whole part in the movie, like you can make this video until the part they arrives at rivendell
Its pretty clear that the ring wraiths attacked bree. If you look at a map of middle earth, when the hobbits get to the brandywine river, it can only logically lead next to bree. The nazgul might be instinctive but they arent dumb.
All aragorn says of the black riders is they wont OPENLY attack a home with lights and many people, but this attack happened in the middle of the night and wasnt discovered to have happened until the next morning.
Also for weathertop the reason we only see 5 nazgul there because the fight they see in the book is the 4 riders gandalf fights and in my opinion leads away, knowing that Aragon and the boys are on their way there. At most 5 of the nazgul had gone to the shire that we can see in the movie, I can't remember if the book gives a count for how many pursued after bagggggiiiiinn nnssssss
that fight of Gandalf vs Nazgul would be a bit too dense, I think. In the movie, the focus is on the group with Strider.
BTW this series is geeky through the roof. I thought I was autistic ... but this knocks everyone's socks off.
I have to say Weathertop was one of the scenes where I was disappointed with the film adaptation. First, the location in the book is a really big mountain, not just a little hill with some rocks (that's also the one difference you haven't mentioned). Second the build up to the attack is much more elaborate, with the traces of the fight before, and them seeing the Nazgul crawl up the mountain. The company awaited an attack all night and of course Strider stayed with the hobbits. In the film I find it far to quick and easy, Strider leaves rhe hobbits on their own for some reason, the hobbits make a fire, and oh, here they come. I would have loved some anxious scenes of them not knowing when and from where the Nazgul are coming. Oh, and why are the hobbits portrayed as careless fools all the time??
I’m pretty sure they didn’t make up “second breakfast.” I know that particular scene isn’t in the book, but I reread the Hobbit just a month or so ago and I vaguely recall Bilbo specifically has second breakfast at some point.
After the dwarves leave him with all the washing up to do. But it's uncertain whether this was a standard thing with hobbits, or just Bilbo pampering himself to help him get over his recent experiences. However, in the prologue to LOTR "Concerning Hobbits" Tolkien writes "And laugh they did, and eat, and drink, often and heartily, being fond of simple jests at all times, and of six meals a day (when they could get them." And in the first chapter "hobbits were easygoing with their children in the matter of sitting up late, especially when there was a chance of getting a free meal. Bringing up young hobbits took a lot of provender."
Noooo not Harry. I trusted you! 😅
I am a huge Tolkein fan. While at least the movies were well made they are not as accurate as I would like
I’m a huge fan of both! I just think it’s cool that people can watch the movies, and then read the books and rediscover the world of middle earth all over again (and in deeper detail).
I picked up the original narrations on 'Audible' and they just reinforced that Tolkien's prose is ponderous and annoying as hell. He truly wrote for those who have no imagination. I both love and hate the man for this.
In hindsight, should have been 6 movies
You know what I would love to see more than anything honestly is a Lord of the Rings anime. Whatever style animation, doesn't matter, as long as it's well produced and faithful to the source material. As many installments as necessary, could be 1 hour episodes or a series of 2.5 hr movies either way
Saruman is never displayed as a loyal servant of Sauron in the movies, but as someone taking advantage. You can clearly see how his uruk hai are seeking the ring for him, and not Sauron, and care nothing for Sauron aligned orcs
That bit is only in the extended edition, in my opinion watching the movies I definitely get the impression Saruman is fully behind Sauron
while my mind is currently occupied by FAR too much battlebit strats and lotr audiobooks i shall mark this channel for FUTURE viewing sessions.
I think that was the fist annoying change that really pissed me off - showing Saruman as openly working FOR Sauron as if he's a glorified janitor.
THe omission of that battle ( and, by the end of it, Gandalf was repelling ALL 9 Nazgul ) was one of the WORST omissions of the movies ( great movies, but not perfect after all ). Tolkien, in letters, says of it that even the Witch-King was badly "shaken by the fires of Gandalf." One of the few things I hated about the movies was how often the power of Gandalf was diminished.
Could not agree more.
The worst scene is when the WK broke Gandalf's staff. Why not just leave that out and let the WK leave when he heard the horns of Gondor?
Although the WK got an added demonic force before the Pelennor fields, Gandalf had become White...He should have repelled the WK without much trouble.
@@user-ui3dv5ek7l Right. Even with added demonic force ( likely from disembodied demon ), WK was no Balrog ( incarnate demon still in its originalform ). This was one of a group of scenes that the Rankin and Bass animated special did better than Jackson's films. Still love the movies though.
I mean, if Gandalf was shown to be as powerful as he was in the books, nobody would ask "why dont the eagles just fly the ring to mordor?" and instead they would ask "why doesnt Gandalf just carry Frodo to mount doom by himself on Shadowfax and then let Frodo toss the ring into the fire. Seeing as book Gandalf can defeat all the ring wraiths, armies of orcs, wargs, and all manner of beasts, by himself, simply by routing them in fear.
The books explain pretty much verbatim (in the appendices and other supplementary material iirc) that it was not Gandalfs (and the other wizards) purpose to fight the enemy directly, but interfere minimally so that the people of middle earth can barely win their uphill battle against the far more powerful forces of evil, but I dont think that would have worked in the movies without adding an hour of clunky exposition regarding the backstory of the wizards and the mandate they got from the Valar.
@@TheSuperappelflap Gandalf still would not hae been able to overwhelm Sauron without the ring, nor would he have been willing to use the Ring. Gandalf the Gray was mightier than the Balrog and the 9, the Balrog was greater than the 9, and a greater sorcerer than they as well. There was no need at all to water Gandalf's power down. His ability to defeat the Nazgul didn't mean he could single handedly win the entire war, and I don't believe anyone would have suggested otherwise. They don't suggest it of Gladriel, to whom Jackson and Boyens seemed to give something akin to personal nuclear power.
@@gibranlewis7300 I know, but like I said that would've required like an hour of very dry exposition to explain. Just nerfing Gandalf a bit was a good solution for the movies imo
Is this the point where we heard of the traveler from the south, likely to be a half-orc spy of Sauron?
Yes, and suspected as the one who ransacked the room. I refer to him as Ferny’s “associate”. Although technically Ferny denies knowing him… yeah right 💀
The film leaves out Gandalf's fight with the Nazgul to make the Ringwraiths more frightening. They have no way to truly fight them, they can only run. Glorfindel and Gandalf could potentially fight them off, maybe even defeat some of them. The presentation of a film story is very different from how a book can present it. It would have broken up the pacing and lessened the audience's dread of the Nazgul to see Gandalf fighting them. Arwen in place of Glorfindel does mention that 5 of the Nazgul are behind the hobbits and Aragorn in pursuit, "where the other four are, I do not know" this is a nod to the books as the 4 are chasing Gandalf after the fight between all Nine and Gandalf. Hence why only 5 attack at Frodo and company at Weathertop.
EDIT: spelling correction.
I never thought of it that way in regard to what Arwen says! Thanks for pointing it out. I’ll have to look at it more for next episode when we get to that scene. 👏🏼
@factorfantasyweekly, movie Gandalf irritates me greatly in the Two Towers when he gets frustrated at Theoden's desire to retreat to Helm's Deep. UM....MOVIE GANDALF, IN CASE YOU FORGOT, IT'S STRATEGICALLY VERY WISE TO FIND THE STRONGEST DEFENSE POSITION POSSIBLE WHEN MET WITH AN OVERWHELMING FORCE.
Let's be honest, five Nazgul would have easily massacred Aragorn and the hobbits. Tolkien's justification that the Nazgul were content to just stab Frodo is ridiculous. They were sent to retrieve the Ring.
Yeaaaa, they were a little too formal. 😂 “May we have the ring please?”
I have felt the same.
However, over the years my respect for Tolkien has grown and so my feeling that the master was in error is an error.
Three things: firstly the hobbits are much tougher than they appear; secondly they are with Aragorn (one does not simply massacre Aragorn); thirdly they have the charmed blades from the Barrow. Remember that Merry was able to slay the Witch King with his Ancient blade and that Frodo did not simply collapse but fought and struck the Nazgûl with a similar blade.
Not necessarily.
At this point in the tale, the Nazgul were not as strong as they later become (when Sauron's power flows more clearly into them). They are a long, long way from Mordor and their master, so they are not anything like they become at Minas Tirith for instance. They are still powerful of course, but most of their "power" comes from the fear they cause in their enemies. If Aragorn was not daunted by the Nazgul, it then becomes a question of whether a Dunedain chieftain (and scion of the house of kings) could fight with five not-fully-empowered Nazgul. I believe he could.
As for just stabbing Frodo, I think it needs to be taken into account that the Nazgul probably didn't know who Aragorn was. To them, he's just a man - possibly identiable as a Ranger - travelling with a group of hobbits. If the Morgul blade could do its job, Frodo would have become a weaker version of themselves, and under their control. That would have been enough for them to get him to their side and to reclaim the Ring. That the man travelling with them would take them to Elrond to be healed was probably not in their calculations.
are you suggesting that Tolkien knew less about the Nazgul than you do, bold take.
@@user-td9hp6li5h In Unfinished Tales we are told that Aragorn had left Rangers guarding Sarn Ford ... "but this was a task beyond the power of the Dúnedain; and maybe it would still have proved so even if their captain, Aragorn, had been with them." The Nazgul actually killed an unspecified number of Rangers to enter the Shire so they were pretty powerful.
Black breath at Bree?
Everyone knows this. The films could NEVER have every part of the book in it. The entire first film they would maybe get to Rivendell lol
Gandalf did not have pointed ears. The wizards all appeared as old *MEN.* Never mistaken for an elf. Or a hobbit. Fix the thumbnail.
You are right in that he likely did not have pointed ears, but his name means staff-elf...So by some he was mistaken for an elf.
you said fight with the nazgul, but there were no nazgul. the ringwraith aren't nazgul
Nazgûl is their name in the Black Speech of Mordor. They are also called “Black Riders”, “The Nine”, and of course “Ringwraiths”.
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The books are so much better than the movies... as is usually the case. The movies are great but they suck compared to the books. Especially when it comes to the stuff inserted into the movies, or the character changes and omissions. Aragorn got neutered, Gimli became an idiot, Legolas became an empty stunt devil, Gandalf became far too much of sweet old grandpa,and the hobbits are were ruined, even Merry.
Peter Jackson didn't change the story for LOTR ... he butchered it. And The Hobbit was a massacre.
what's with the horrible "old film lines" applied to all the video? It ruins an otherwise great video. Trying to "stylize" the video ruined this post.