My first experience watching someone decode a key by sight was when I locked my keys in my pickup truck about 20 years ago. The locksmith showed up, looked inside the truck, saw my keys on the seat. I heard him mumble off the numbers for the cuts and then he cut the key with a Pak-A-Punch and opened my door. I didn't mind paying him $75 for 5 mins of his time and a spare key because this guy obviously knew his trade.
I locked my keys inside my motorbike because I was stupid as fuck, the locksmith came and opened the storage in 40 seconds with a single screwdriver and a hammer...
@@artit91 It's impossible for me to do that... My bike has 2 places to stick a key where keys could get lost. The seat, and the radio box (it's a fully dressed retired police bike, hence the radio box). Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock.
Dammit I just posted the same exact story. My mind was pretty blown at 17, watching my parents' friend cut that key in minutes. but then I found out his buddies got arrested for doing the same type of thing to the night security drop boxes on the sides of banks! Except the didn't have a key to look at. They were able to cuts keys that fit or pick the locks, I'm not sure which. It was covert entry, though lol. I also didn't have to pay to have him cut that key. Ironically, he's not the only locksmith that I know.
@@BerryTheBnnuy "Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock." + "it's a fully dressed retired police bike" => coppers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer ;)
25:00 You gotta admit: master locks don't get much safer if they don't have the keycodes on 'em. any lockpickinglawyer fan will know: these things are mainly decorations.
Yeah but on the other hand, a guy who can crack open a bank safe with a bag of Doritos and a pen cap makes *every* lock look like a decoration hahahaha
First lesson I got in my locksmithing classes. "No lock is designed to keep everyone out. It's designed to keep most of the people out. The more you pay, less people will bypass it. If someone really wants in, they will find a way. Most of the time, not through the lock itself" Any master lock is good enough for protecting my outdoor cushions from the being stolen from the neighbourhood teenager that are looking to make troubles at night.
@@davidpoissant3715 so many master locks are vulnerable to raking or bypass drivers. They make it legit look like you have the key. A box sitting out in public someone could walk up, rake it, and take your stuff with others watching and they assume "well theyve got the key, must be theirs" There is a big difference between "any lock is vulnerable at some level" and "this lock can be opened eaiser without the key than with"
I used to be a courier in downtown Chicago many years ago. My first day there, they took my picture, and printed it on a laminate, with a dozen local courier companies logos on the front and back, with my name under it, and an entirely useless ID number, which I was told "is just there to fill the slot we dont use ID numbers". My photo was literally me, in a beanie, with my hood up, wearing my leather jacket, as this was mid winter when I started, so all winter, as I made deliveries, my photo looked like I had just taken it prior to walking into the building-still wearing the same outfit. I preface this, because not a single person asked me that entire winter "how long have you been working for X company?" when they looked at it. They would just write down my name, usually at the security desk, or let me write it down, and where I was going for delivery. I was then allowed access to their maintenance elevators, as couriers do not use the public ones. I could get to any floor I wanted to in any building I was in, just from walking in with an envelope and a name. The ONLY time I ever had a security guard call up to confirm delivery, was at a condo high rise in the super fancy part of Chicago up north on the lake. Rich condos and apartments always called up, lower end ones never did. Corporate buildings also never called up, nor did the security at city hall, or the Thompson Center, a giant hub of municipal and other offices. Most downtown buildings get hundreds of deliveries a day, and its so easy to blend in with them. I remember making deliveries to the same building my favorite radio station was in, and just going down to that floor and watching through the window while they were on air, until I had another call. Its been 10 or so years, but I still have that ID. Im almost positive it would still work too.
@@adamgh0 I think you mistook the point, mindboggling ignorance and lack of security, as pretentiousness. You must know it well since you assume the same in others. Sad.
@@hewhoadds pretty much all of em but the malls, stores, and apartments. If its 90% offices, they get hundreds of deliveries a day from couriers outside of UPS/FedEx, and even a homemade ID can pass. As a bonus almost every elevator uses the same key, and if you buy said key for your area, you can basically be the elevator God for that car
Some of the easiest ways to gain entry is to find an open door around the back of a business building one that smokers use or the back door leading to the parking lot. And just tape a sign to the inside of the door saying "Leave this door unlocked". You can add reasons to it like access is needed by workmen or security. And more often than not they'll leave the door unlocked. There's a lot of cases where people have actually done just that.
No kidding I went from. Seriously, charging for it? I nearly lost all respect for him then the charities and I'm like, "My dude, I'm sorry I doubted you."
Why are there so many cons on not aware of? I'm so out of the loop. Time to binge Wild West Hackin fest talks after work; thanks for bringing it to my attention Deviant/event runners
@@DeviantOllam will try to do so if I ever have the opportunity. Sadly I'm on the east coast and don't often get a chance to travel to such events. Hopefully that changes soon
LOL I remember as a child seeing a clay impression of a key made on the show mission impossible. Later in my teens I tried and succeeded using that method to acquire a key to the stables where my girlfriend kept her horse. Then I could obtain mycology samples privately in the middle of the night and not draw any undesirable attention. At that same period in time (70's) a friend & I made pass keys for the school lockers using a piece of sheet steel, a dremel tool, and some broken locks found in the school dumpster.
There is a better way, there are high security locks you can have a TRUE LOCKSMITH install on your home such that the keys are only able to be made by THAT locksmith for 100 miles, guaranteed. They have names like Medico, or Bi lock, or Mul-T-Lock and so on. It will cost you about four to five times what a standard lock is, but they are nigh unpick-able, have unique keys and will last forever, because the parts are hardened steel, milled metal and nickle steel pins, which will last thirty or more years, instead of pot or foamed metal, brass parts, and common keys which can wear out in just a couple of years. Besides, if you are using anything like a Kwikset or Schlage house lock, most locksmiths can pick them in less than ten seconds, although we rarely do in the presence of a customer, as it instills a feeling of having been cheated all around, cheap lock, easily bypassed, simple to pick, etc. So, if you have a security issue where you are thinking filing the cut codes off of your key is increasing your security, you are sorely mistaken. Your lock has many more vulnerabilities than getting a key by code, which are much more likely to be used, if someone is breaking in.
I fully intend to watch maybe a minute of these videos? Even with my crappy attention-span, I watch the whole damn thing. I find this stuff fascinating.
when he asked which key was likely the house key I guessed the quickset not even because it was with the car keys, but because it is the only quickset I saw in the picture and that is pretty much THE house key
The Schlage, too. I see one of those, usually alongside a Kwikset, and 9 times out of 10 my brain says "deadbolt." 10 out of 10 of those times, my brain's been right...
22:08 - I'm pretty sure the AirBnB owner saw the numbers on the key, didn't realise their value and used the nr. as a identifier for the key as (s)he knows which key fits that lock. Probably owns multiple properties and/or has multiple similar keys
yes, I suspect there's a strong possibility that is what happened and why someone would have written the numbers on the outside of the deadbolt lock housing.
Jaguar cars in the 70s and early 80s had the bitting code stamped around the ignition lock. I actually witnessed someone in my local carpark photographing the inside of parked Jags through the driver's door window with a macro lens. I had no idea what he was upto at the time till the story hit the press a year or so later. Then again Abus used to stamp the wafer number on the back of the wafers of their locks where they could be seen with a little mirror.
Just cut a key for my daughter's car from a two-dollar key blank using a needle file and the key on the front seat as a reference. Thank you for posting these videos.
I bet somebody could make software to automatically do the aligning and bitting on any good photo. To prevent this, paint your keys in brown camo and unevenly file off all area near the zero depth section.
28:10 - No need to disassemble the lock and measure the pins to decode it. Rear shim it and use key blanks straight cut to each pin value. Hit the correct height and the shim slides in another position.
I’d love more detail about “fixing” photos and “poor man” systems for code cutting. You fancy consultants with your awesome/expensive tools! Loved your talk, thank you.
If you're still curious about "fixing" photos, image editing software has a perspective tool that maps a rectangle onto some other four-sided shape. This is useful if you want to do something like take a poster and photoshop it onto a wall aligned correctly, but with a bit of trial and error you can also do the reverse, taking a flat surface viewed from an angle and distorting it back as if you're viewing it head-on.
I had a locksmith copy my key from looking at it hanging inside my locked vehicle. Standing next to the vehicle. He pulled out the blank and read off 4 or 5 numbers, which I surmised were the depths of the cuts. He clipped the new key in 45 seconds and was inside. I was impressed at 17 yrs old lol. Old truck with a separate ignition and door key. No digital calipers or anything else. He eyeballed the key from 2 ft away. Clipped out the cuts and was in the truck.
If it was an old truck most likely anything that fitted the keyhole would have opened the lock thanks to the lock being worn from use. If you get the chance, such as in a parking lot, borrow keys from owners of the same make of vehicle and try them out before calling a locksmith. Newer locks are more resistant to this, such as the disk detainer style where there's no sliding action against the lock tumblers, but even these get generous with the keys they'll accept over time. On modern cars the locks never get used except when either the battery in the remote or the car battery dies.
Just having the right ballpark pattern is very helpful. Say they key is a 1-4-2-6. But you cut a 2-5-1-7 for it. Now, jiggle that key a little... probable open. Even if just a turning tool wouldn’t work to open the lock, which, yes, especially old car locks are shitty. You’re basically making a custom jiggler which will work even if it isn’t exact.
@@peglor I went through that, when I locked my keys in the truck. Our instructor in automotive tech school had a keyring with about 400 GM keys on it. He said "here, try this" lol. So I proceeded to check keys. Turns out we had some sort of "master key". The same key opened like 5 people's vehicles. It was pretty damn funny. The instructor took that key off the keyring after that so, no one 2ould break into someone else's car. Lol
@@JasperJanssen yea it was an old 1987 S10 and it was around 1999 or so when it happened. 12 yrs old so not real old but old enough to be worn. As an, example, my current truck is 12 yrs old and the ignition in it isn't worn much at all.
I was a security officer at a university. A student advised me that he had locked his keys inside his car, a Honda, just like my old Honda. I jiggled my key in his lock, opened the lock, but relocked it because I was going too fast. It took one more short-time attempt and the student was able to drive home in his own car
i've always liked Deviant, but including the Trevor Project on his list of charities just hit home. He really is a stand-up guy, at least in what we can see.
If someone catches you, you could even say you are making sure it is within regulations to prevent damage to the locks over time. Most folks wouldn't know that is nonsense. When they say that it works so there must be no issue. You could point out how you are preventing damage, not ensuring function.
Deviant, you have been such a joy to watch! Thanks for your videos. I just started my own (much smaller) key ring: 1284x, 222343, and 16120. Also looked up those pak-a-punch's. Cheaper, yes. Cheap? No... Guess it's a good thing they're not ubiquitous. Briefly considered a Lishi, but seemed like a ninja tool. :-)
I have scolded many of my friends for posting photos of their new house keys on social media. I even had one go as far as to unfriend me for yelling at her about it. She had a cheapo lock like a Shield Security or some such that has the code stamped into the key. And although the code was on the other side, just from looking at the picture, I guessed the numbers and told her to check the back of her key and tell me if my code was right. Of course it was, and she unfriended me for it saying it was creepy. If she didn't live 800 miles away, I would have punched out a key and went to her house to show her how stupid she was being. Some people are just hard headed. It's not creepy when I was trying to keep her safe.
A friend is someone who answers the phone when you call at 5am and say "I need help, can you pick me up at..." and just says "I'll be right there". Not some stranger you chat with on the web.
Ok, I’m a noob and I’m just trying to understand this here; if I have two locks with two separate keys, but they are on a master system, I can figure out the master biting between the two?
Depending on the key system and how different they are, yes you can. Here is a talk from him about master keys. ua-cam.com/video/aVPSaKLKHd4/v-deo.html
You know that each position is either on the master bitting, or not. So any position with the same bitting, that’s obvious. Where they disagree, take the highest of the two bittings. That’s not *necessarily* how the master system is set up, but it’s normal for the master keys to have more metal than subsidiary keys, basically to prevent subsidiary keys from wearing or being filed down into master keys, deliberately or accidentally. The treasure hunt Deviant’s doing is presumably doing that obvious thing, if you’re meant to figure it out from only two decoded locks.
In the Seventies, Junior High, I looked at the Teachers key, and also looked at Janitors Key, back then I Saw the Masters and Grandmasters as having Deeper cuts as opposed to Masters having Shallower asentionef. Were a couple depths lower, don't see wear as a possibility. They may have learned from that, and now Masters have the Shallower cuts? Their is also a single sided A126, key looked like picture of esp, HPC/Hudson site. Also the Fort Key #203, is up, down, up, down like the Ch751. A Fort Key 204 was common with Alarm Panels, to increase Security, they changed to a BH015, Identical Key as 204, just different Number. Cheaper to change the Number, than the Cuts? Stratmando
Only if you are outside the door - then you either pick the lock to get inside or enter somehow else. If you are inside, you can remove the lock cylinder without a key.
A ways back the door to my friend's building had a worn out latch that slowly broke to where it only worked like 10%of the time and the owner wouldn't fix it. So when he finally got it open the last time I grabbed a stick, broke off a 1 inch section and jammed it in. The door still closed and was held in place by the arm at the top but now it wasn't a pain in the ass to use every time. I didn't think it was anything that great but he was impressed. Later management stuck a sign on the door saying someone had broken it lol.
Needs to be implemented to hitman 3, imagine you competing with an other agent and you decide to put anykey or just the key for you
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The mailbox lock at my parent's last house had a direct biting code (I assume), which was great for us since we never actually got a key, would also be great for any thief that was more than an opportunistic grabber.
A year or two ago I was ordering spare keys for my car. At a dealership they wanted some ungodly amount of money per key to make them. I ordered 2 keys off ebay from a Chinese car locksmith and he only wanted a photo of the original to cut it to size. Then I programmed it at some random key place in my city (to program keys yourself in my car you need to have at least 2 working keys but I only had 1) and they work perfectly to this day. I paid about the tenth of the price that the dealership wanted.
to the last test. key one and compare to key two, identical pins are master pins and you just need the variations to discern the remaining pins. the master for the unknown pins will have to be at the depth of or somewhere between the gap in key a vs b.
@@RossMitchellsProfile i duno, they would mark the backs of the pin stacks with drag marks and the top of the lock with lengthwise scratches, the shere line would mark pin sides and radial scratches
@@Lodinn very true. I would think the second option would be reserved for very bad situations, but it would work. I'm not exactly sure you'd want to brand yourself for a keyprint in most reasonable scenarios. And I'm not saying what OP said won't work; it just doesn't seem optimal and likely to fail in many cases.
It should work, if the cross-linking reaction for the epoxy heats up too quickly it might cause some warping, but assuming it is all the right dimensions it should work just fine. On “The Modern Rogue” they used a 3D printed PLA for a key that worked
@@Abdega The stuff in the kit I'm thinking of seems to be fairly dimensionally stable. I'm intending to cast an Audi key. Won't help with starting, of course.
@Chaos Corner That might work for opening the doors. Thing is, I feel like I saw somewhere that some car key systems check the resistance of the key as well (along with the rfid and the like). If the door lock is purely mechanical, it should work though. Keep us updated on how it works?
LockPickingLawyer doesn't need to see the key or even a photo of the key or a mold of the key. He'll pick your lock sight unseen, disassemble it and hand you the pieces.
The Pak-a-Punch style tool featured in a Columbo episode 'Troubled Waters". Robert Vaughn used one to make a duplicate key to the victim's room. It was called a Curtis Clipper in the episode. Columbo knew about them as his brother-in-law ran a used car dealership.
YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN.GOD DONT DAM NOTHING.THAT WORD,WILL KEEP YOU FROM WINNING THE LOTERY,OR MABY NOT HELPING YOU GET WELL IF YOU GET DEATHLY ILL.I WOULD NEVER TAKE THAT CHANCE IF I WERE YOU..UGH..
Something he didn't talk about, is that if you carry a bar of soap with yourself, you could EASILY, push the key into it, and now you have the exact shape and measurements in like 3 seconds, which is significantly quicker than measuring with calipers, also, you can measure the soap negative shape later Edit: Nvm, his clay mold is essentially the same as my soap. Oh well, atleast i didn't make a fool of myself
Zachary Schroeder That’s part of his new wake the F**k-Up and smell the coffee Pen-Test service after the Goat breaks into the building it is trained to go around and find the security guards and give them the horn, dry deep, and hard.
just remember, its a felony to forge a key for a place that you aren't allowed to have one for. friend of mine did something like this back in high school and when he got found out, the school called the police and they threatened him with a felony. they made him pay for every single lock in the school to be re-keyed. he didn't get arrested but he did lose honors and got suspended for a week.
@Sebastian i dont life in the USA so i cant say the laws. but he was basically going to be charged for having burglary tools. it was a concern to them because things from the chemistry department had been going missing for awhile and they thought it was him. it wasn't and he got away with the only the punishment that he got.
If he wants to perform surreptitious entry, why not use materials softer than the pins/latches? That latch slip he shows could easily be done with a plastic hook (maybe nylon?) instead of a steel hook.
Those softer materials are likely to leave some traces of them, kind of inverted scratches. And anything elastic that does not scratch the pins nor leave residue will be nightmare as a picking tool.
If you have access to a key lay it on a business card trace it With a pen If you have time do it a few times Cut one with exacto knife Use it to file use the other as a gauge I did it I knew nothing about bidding number it worked perfect
I watched this one video of some people who made a metal mold of a key out of clay and poured melted lead in it and they did open a lock once. If they only knew what they were doing it would have been considerably easier.
Ok well I guess I get to eat this comment with side of crow. The do make keys that way. Surely they use something stronger than lead like some kind of alloy that has a higher melting temperature and stronger.
Counter point. Do you want Lock picking Lawyer being "on the job" or would you rather clone a key and give it to some grunts to use and get in. In chess, would you send your queen to fight in the trenches if you are unsure of the whole board?
@@LoganDark4357 Guys from the modern rouge demonstrated that it is possible with PLA, which is on the weaker side of filaments. It would be much easier with ABS or nylon.
@@LoganDark4357 lol. That simply means either the process wasn't as refined when you did so, your equipment isn't accurate enough, or you're not doing something correctly. There was a long time where 3d printed keys were just a novel idea that barely worked at all; that has since changed drastically. Not to mention that 3d printers can use different materials now. I suggest watching the HOPE talk about the TSA key leaks; the process of refining the key printing process to the point where they worked fairly well is documented within that project very clearly, as when they began the material being weak wasn't even the main issue; it was drastic tolerances in the production of the locks, although material played a big factor at that time. When using softer material, the key will degrade and only have a limited number of uses... But saying 3d printing makes keys that are too weak to function is generally incorrect at this point in time.
My house key has a direct code on it. It's also a really terrible pattern. Just decending from shoulder to tip. Thanks hardware store. Fantastic bitting.
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My first experience watching someone decode a key by sight was when I locked my keys in my pickup truck about 20 years ago. The locksmith showed up, looked inside the truck, saw my keys on the seat. I heard him mumble off the numbers for the cuts and then he cut the key with a Pak-A-Punch and opened my door. I didn't mind paying him $75 for 5 mins of his time and a spare key because this guy obviously knew his trade.
Ed Wamser with great power comes great responsibility
I locked my keys inside my motorbike because I was stupid as fuck, the locksmith came and opened the storage in 40 seconds with a single screwdriver and a hammer...
@@artit91 It's impossible for me to do that... My bike has 2 places to stick a key where keys could get lost. The seat, and the radio box (it's a fully dressed retired police bike, hence the radio box). Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock.
Dammit I just posted the same exact story. My mind was pretty blown at 17, watching my parents' friend cut that key in minutes.
but then I found out his buddies got arrested for doing the same type of thing to the night security drop boxes on the sides of banks! Except the didn't have a key to look at. They were able to cuts keys that fit or pick the locks, I'm not sure which. It was covert entry, though lol. I also didn't have to pay to have him cut that key. Ironically, he's not the only locksmith that I know.
@@BerryTheBnnuy "Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock." + "it's a fully dressed retired police bike" => coppers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer ;)
25:00 You gotta admit: master locks don't get much safer if they don't have the keycodes on 'em. any lockpickinglawyer fan will know: these things are mainly decorations.
lmao right
Yeah but on the other hand, a guy who can crack open a bank safe with a bag of Doritos and a pen cap makes *every* lock look like a decoration hahahaha
@@tkeleth2931 literally right after I got my first set I raked a master lock in 4 seconds
First lesson I got in my locksmithing classes. "No lock is designed to keep everyone out. It's designed to keep most of the people out. The more you pay, less people will bypass it. If someone really wants in, they will find a way. Most of the time, not through the lock itself" Any master lock is good enough for protecting my outdoor cushions from the being stolen from the neighbourhood teenager that are looking to make troubles at night.
@@davidpoissant3715 so many master locks are vulnerable to raking or bypass drivers. They make it legit look like you have the key. A box sitting out in public someone could walk up, rake it, and take your stuff with others watching and they assume "well theyve got the key, must be theirs"
There is a big difference between "any lock is vulnerable at some level" and "this lock can be opened eaiser without the key than with"
I used to be a courier in downtown Chicago many years ago. My first day there, they took my picture, and printed it on a laminate, with a dozen local courier companies logos on the front and back, with my name under it, and an entirely useless ID number, which I was told "is just there to fill the slot we dont use ID numbers". My photo was literally me, in a beanie, with my hood up, wearing my leather jacket, as this was mid winter when I started, so all winter, as I made deliveries, my photo looked like I had just taken it prior to walking into the building-still wearing the same outfit.
I preface this, because not a single person asked me that entire winter "how long have you been working for X company?" when they looked at it. They would just write down my name, usually at the security desk, or let me write it down, and where I was going for delivery. I was then allowed access to their maintenance elevators, as couriers do not use the public ones. I could get to any floor I wanted to in any building I was in, just from walking in with an envelope and a name. The ONLY time I ever had a security guard call up to confirm delivery, was at a condo high rise in the super fancy part of Chicago up north on the lake. Rich condos and apartments always called up, lower end ones never did. Corporate buildings also never called up, nor did the security at city hall, or the Thompson Center, a giant hub of municipal and other offices.
Most downtown buildings get hundreds of deliveries a day, and its so easy to blend in with them. I remember making deliveries to the same building my favorite radio station was in, and just going down to that floor and watching through the window while they were on air, until I had another call.
Its been 10 or so years, but I still have that ID. Im almost positive it would still work too.
Wow. You're a real James Bond aren't you? Can you tell me about the time you ripped the system and got double chicken nuggets at McDonald's again?
@@adamgh0 I think you mistook the point, mindboggling ignorance and lack of security, as pretentiousness. You must know it well since you assume the same in others. Sad.
📝🧐 wow so what buildings was it again that has low security? asking for a friend
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@@hewhoadds pretty much all of em but the malls, stores, and apartments. If its 90% offices, they get hundreds of deliveries a day from couriers outside of UPS/FedEx, and even a homemade ID can pass. As a bonus almost every elevator uses the same key, and if you buy said key for your area, you can basically be the elevator God for that car
Some of the easiest ways to gain entry is to find an open door around the back of a business building one that smokers use or the back door leading to the parking lot. And just tape a sign to the inside of the door saying "Leave this door unlocked". You can add reasons to it like access is needed by workmen or security. And more often than not they'll leave the door unlocked. There's a lot of cases where people have actually done just that.
“at the lockpicking gunfight” goddamit this sounds like my kind of event
That charity plug though. Instant respect.
Help out sex workers to learn more about backdoor entries?
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No kidding I went from. Seriously, charging for it? I nearly lost all respect for him then the charities and I'm like, "My dude, I'm sorry I doubted you."
@@GRAYgauss I personally expected it to be Toool, but this sounds good too!
47:26 "the world kinda sucks a big fucking bowl of dicks"
Blew my socks off. I thought the red team community was full of a bunch of ex-cops and conservatives but my man's out here... hell yeah
Why are there so many cons on not aware of? I'm so out of the loop. Time to binge Wild West Hackin fest talks after work; thanks for bringing it to my attention Deviant/event runners
WWHF is one of the best new events out there now. i encourage all folk to try to attend!
@@DeviantOllam will try to do so if I ever have the opportunity. Sadly I'm on the east coast and don't often get a chance to travel to such events. Hopefully that changes soon
LOL I remember as a child seeing a clay impression of a key made on the show mission impossible. Later in my teens I tried and succeeded using that method to acquire a key to the stables where my girlfriend kept her horse. Then I could obtain mycology samples privately in the middle of the night and not draw any undesirable attention. At that same period in time (70's) a friend & I made pass keys for the school lockers using a piece of sheet steel, a dremel tool, and some broken locks found in the school dumpster.
Nice to see him use some new material in his talks, cool stuff, thanks for the talk & upload
Goat was just hitting his reflection. Note the sunshine
Great to see an all new and fresh Deviant talk. Thanks for that!
I had a locksmith rekey my entire house for added security from my ex. After seeing this video, I'm gonna go file off the numbers off my keys.
There is a better way, there are high security locks you can have a TRUE LOCKSMITH install on your home such that the keys are only able to be made by THAT locksmith for 100 miles, guaranteed. They have names like Medico, or Bi lock, or Mul-T-Lock and so on. It will cost you about four to five times what a standard lock is, but they are nigh unpick-able, have unique keys and will last forever, because the parts are hardened steel, milled metal and nickle steel pins, which will last thirty or more years, instead of pot or foamed metal, brass parts, and common keys which can wear out in just a couple of years.
Besides, if you are using anything like a Kwikset or Schlage house lock, most locksmiths can pick them in less than ten seconds, although we rarely do in the presence of a customer, as it instills a feeling of having been cheated all around, cheap lock, easily bypassed, simple to pick, etc.
So, if you have a security issue where you are thinking filing the cut codes off of your key is increasing your security, you are sorely mistaken. Your lock has many more vulnerabilities than getting a key by code, which are much more likely to be used, if someone is breaking in.
I fully intend to watch maybe a minute of these videos? Even with my crappy attention-span, I watch the whole damn thing. I find this stuff fascinating.
"Ten year overnight success" LOL.
when he asked which key was likely the house key I guessed the quickset not even because it was with the car keys, but because it is the only quickset I saw in the picture and that is pretty much THE house key
Yeah for me it was a 1, 2 punch. Def thought the same then i saw the fob too.
"Kwikset"
Yup !
The Schlage, too. I see one of those, usually alongside a Kwikset, and 9 times out of 10 my brain says "deadbolt." 10 out of 10 of those times, my brain's been right...
im a simple man. i see Deviant, i click.
22:08 - I'm pretty sure the AirBnB owner saw the numbers on the key, didn't realise their value and used the nr. as a identifier for the key as (s)he knows which key fits that lock. Probably owns multiple properties and/or has multiple similar keys
yes, I suspect there's a strong possibility that is what happened and why someone would have written the numbers on the outside of the deadbolt lock housing.
Jaguar cars in the 70s and early 80s had the bitting code stamped around the ignition lock. I actually witnessed someone in my local carpark photographing the inside of parked Jags through the driver's door window with a macro lens. I had no idea what he was upto at the time till the story hit the press a year or so later.
Then again Abus used to stamp the wafer number on the back of the wafers of their locks where they could be seen with a little mirror.
That was not a macro lens.
@@dbauernf pedant.
@@donaldasayers nothing worse than an incorrect pedant. Of course it was a macro lens, just used from further away than normal.
Just cut a key for my daughter's car from a two-dollar key blank using a needle file and the key on the front seat as a reference. Thank you for posting these videos.
his definition of a terrible photo is very different from mine XD
yeah what if the cam is blurry and full of noise
His job pays enough for the top toys in tech.
I bet somebody could make software to automatically do the aligning and bitting on any good photo. To prevent this, paint your keys in brown camo and unevenly file off all area near the zero depth section.
im a simple man. i see Deviant, i click.
oh fuck yes this guy could talk for 16 hours about the shit he took this morning and id listen
Always excited to see a new video from Dev!
I see Deviant I follow the link and Like.
Ive been rewatching old videos because there was nothing new to watch.
I'm a simple man, i see 99 likes, i click
28:10 - No need to disassemble the lock and measure the pins to decode it. Rear shim it and use key blanks straight cut to each pin value. Hit the correct height and the shim slides in another position.
I thought the content was awesome but the charities you chose to highlight at the end,
I’d love more detail about “fixing” photos and “poor man” systems for code cutting. You fancy consultants with your awesome/expensive tools!
Loved your talk, thank you.
If you're still curious about "fixing" photos, image editing software has a perspective tool that maps a rectangle onto some other four-sided shape. This is useful if you want to do something like take a poster and photoshop it onto a wall aligned correctly, but with a bit of trial and error you can also do the reverse, taking a flat surface viewed from an angle and distorting it back as if you're viewing it head-on.
Nice presentation. Following the contest from home was very fun. Glad to see those photos worked out for you.
thanks so much to everyone who sent me some photos from home!
@@DeviantOllam Didn't they violate your own "don't put your keys on the internet" rule?
I had a locksmith copy my key from looking at it hanging inside my locked vehicle. Standing next to the vehicle. He pulled out the blank and read off 4 or 5 numbers, which I surmised were the depths of the cuts. He clipped the new key in 45 seconds and was inside. I was impressed at 17 yrs old lol. Old truck with a separate ignition and door key.
No digital calipers or anything else. He eyeballed the key from 2 ft away. Clipped out the cuts and was in the truck.
If it was an old truck most likely anything that fitted the keyhole would have opened the lock thanks to the lock being worn from use. If you get the chance, such as in a parking lot, borrow keys from owners of the same make of vehicle and try them out before calling a locksmith. Newer locks are more resistant to this, such as the disk detainer style where there's no sliding action against the lock tumblers, but even these get generous with the keys they'll accept over time. On modern cars the locks never get used except when either the battery in the remote or the car battery dies.
Just having the right ballpark pattern is very helpful. Say they key is a 1-4-2-6. But you cut a 2-5-1-7 for it. Now, jiggle that key a little... probable open. Even if just a turning tool wouldn’t work to open the lock, which, yes, especially old car locks are shitty.
You’re basically making a custom jiggler which will work even if it isn’t exact.
@@peglor I went through that, when I locked my keys in the truck. Our instructor in automotive tech school had a keyring with about 400 GM keys on it. He said "here, try this" lol. So I proceeded to check keys.
Turns out we had some sort of "master key". The same key opened like 5 people's vehicles. It was pretty damn funny.
The instructor took that key off the keyring after that so, no one 2ould break into someone else's car. Lol
@@JasperJanssen yea it was an old 1987 S10 and it was around 1999 or so when it happened. 12 yrs old so not real old but old enough to be worn. As an, example, my current truck is 12 yrs old and the ignition in it isn't worn much at all.
I was a security officer at a university. A student advised me that he had locked his keys inside his car, a Honda, just like my old Honda. I jiggled my key in his lock, opened the lock, but relocked it because I was going too fast. It took one more short-time attempt and the student was able to drive home in his own car
Did I hear a collective "aww" at the end, after he mentioned where the food used to be? Lol
i've always liked Deviant, but including the Trevor Project on his list of charities just hit home. He really is a stand-up guy, at least in what we can see.
That is very kind of you to say. 💚
If someone catches you, you could even say you are making sure it is within regulations to prevent damage to the locks over time. Most folks wouldn't know that is nonsense. When they say that it works so there must be no issue. You could point out how you are preventing damage, not ensuring function.
With the keyless entry on my car, my keychain never leaves my pocket. Never thought of that as a security feature.
Nice. I wonder how long before thieves figure out how to hack those keyless entry keys? 🤔
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Except for being able to silently read the key through your trousers, from 10 feet away, that's great! /s
Just use a signal amplifier like on gone in 60 secs.
@@frodev728 we been doing that for years now :D
@@PNCNDNOB hahaha 😆
You Cnut 🤨
36:53
hey, it's the thumbnail for the lockpickinglawyer's video on weird keyways!
Deviant, you have been such a joy to watch! Thanks for your videos. I just started my own (much smaller) key ring: 1284x, 222343, and 16120. Also looked up those pak-a-punch's. Cheaper, yes. Cheap? No... Guess it's a good thing they're not ubiquitous. Briefly considered a Lishi, but seemed like a ninja tool. :-)
I have scolded many of my friends for posting photos of their new house keys on social media. I even had one go as far as to unfriend me for yelling at her about it. She had a cheapo lock like a Shield Security or some such that has the code stamped into the key. And although the code was on the other side, just from looking at the picture, I guessed the numbers and told her to check the back of her key and tell me if my code was right. Of course it was, and she unfriended me for it saying it was creepy. If she didn't live 800 miles away, I would have punched out a key and went to her house to show her how stupid she was being. Some people are just hard headed. It's not creepy when I was trying to keep her safe.
That was good intentioned of you, but what if someone told you the bit code for the key to your house, wouldn’t you be scared and change your locks?
@@over00lordunknown12 that's what I was hoping for.
A friend is someone who answers the phone when you call at 5am and say "I need help, can you pick me up at..." and just says "I'll be right there". Not some stranger you chat with on the web.
@@lyfandeth I have many friends, this one in particular I have known for 25 years whom I went to school with.
@@KenMagee doesn't seem like you are friends anymore lol
06:45 Just a guess, but I think that the goat is having a go at it's own reflection, it think that it sees another goat that won't back off.
I love this presenter. Top notch content.
All great stuff. I really miss it.
Nice inclusion of Bosnian Bill picking the R70
Ok, I’m a noob and I’m just trying to understand this here; if I have two locks with two separate keys, but they are on a master system, I can figure out the master biting between the two?
Depending on the key system and how different they are, yes you can.
Here is a talk from him about master keys.
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Sometimes . . .
You know that each position is either on the master bitting, or not. So any position with the same bitting, that’s obvious. Where they disagree, take the highest of the two bittings. That’s not *necessarily* how the master system is set up, but it’s normal for the master keys to have more metal than subsidiary keys, basically to prevent subsidiary keys from wearing or being filed down into master keys, deliberately or accidentally.
The treasure hunt Deviant’s doing is presumably doing that obvious thing, if you’re meant to figure it out from only two decoded locks.
In the Seventies, Junior High, I looked at the Teachers key, and also looked at Janitors Key, back then I Saw the Masters and Grandmasters as having Deeper cuts as opposed to Masters having Shallower asentionef. Were a couple depths lower, don't see wear as a possibility. They may have learned from that, and now Masters have the Shallower cuts? Their is also a single sided A126, key looked like picture of esp, HPC/Hudson site. Also the Fort Key #203, is up, down, up, down like the Ch751.
A Fort Key 204 was common with Alarm Panels, to increase Security, they changed to a BH015, Identical Key as 204, just different Number.
Cheaper to change the Number, than the Cuts? Stratmando
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE PROPER NAME OF A HALLIGAN THAT ISNT IN THE FIRE SERVICE!
just you and him eh?
The one thing that the Deviant key gauge needs is a smooth gauge that will measure in millimeters. Slower than a caliper, but a lot less obvious.
28:00: didn't you have to pick it to remove the lock from the door?
Only if you are outside the door - then you either pick the lock to get inside or enter somehow else. If you are inside, you can remove the lock cylinder without a key.
@@Null-- I was thinking Euro cylinders, I'm not used to the American ones
Nick's Stuff The technique works for euro cylinders too, at least if it has a thumbturn.
If you don't want to type the github link at 14:45
github.com/deviantollam/decoding
first off, thanks for the goodies to download you are awesome! Secondly, LOVED the talk, thanks for your time and effort. =)
I Enjoy your videos very much, thank you.
A ways back the door to my friend's building had a worn out latch that slowly broke to where it only worked like 10%of the time and the owner wouldn't fix it. So when he finally got it open the last time I grabbed a stick, broke off a 1 inch section and jammed it in. The door still closed and was held in place by the arm at the top but now it wasn't a pain in the ass to use every time. I didn't think it was anything that great but he was impressed. Later management stuck a sign on the door saying someone had broken it lol.
Needs to be implemented to hitman 3, imagine you competing with an other agent and you decide to put anykey or just the key for you
The mailbox lock at my parent's last house had a direct biting code (I assume), which was great for us since we never actually got a key, would also be great for any thief that was more than an opportunistic grabber.
A year or two ago I was ordering spare keys for my car. At a dealership they wanted some ungodly amount of money per key to make them.
I ordered 2 keys off ebay from a Chinese car locksmith and he only wanted a photo of the original to cut it to size. Then I programmed it at some random key place in my city (to program keys yourself in my car you need to have at least 2 working keys but I only had 1) and they work perfectly to this day. I paid about the tenth of the price that the dealership wanted.
best ever,interesting an presented with style.
to the last test. key one and compare to key two, identical pins are master pins and you just need the variations to discern the remaining pins. the master for the unknown pins will have to be at the depth of or somewhere between the gap in key a vs b.
18:15 his car was probably not where he parked it when the Con was over...
Lucky that many car keys now days require a chip inside the key to allow the car to start!
28:20 wouldnt the shim leave forensic marks?
Doubt they'd be easily detectable as they'd be marks at the same point as the sheer line in the lock.
@@RossMitchellsProfile i duno, they would mark the backs of the pin stacks with drag marks and the top of the lock with lengthwise scratches, the shere line would mark pin sides and radial scratches
The marks may also just look like a locksmith repinning the lock, but I'm not sure
Sheesh lol Love this presenter everyone should hire him for lock and security testing
did anyone get to level 3?with the lock picking.
If nothing else, if you press something into your skin and hold it, it will retain the pattern for a few minutes.
This doesn't seem very viable
@@CGoody564 Spraying something over it or heating it up with a lighter is somewhat more viable (rip skin in the second case though)
@@Lodinn very true. I would think the second option would be reserved for very bad situations, but it would work. I'm not exactly sure you'd want to brand yourself for a keyprint in most reasonable scenarios.
And I'm not saying what OP said won't work; it just doesn't seem optimal and likely to fail in many cases.
be even better if you have edema
Then take a photograph of the pattern in your skin with your mobile phone before the pattern fades.
What do you think about epoxy for key casting? I know it's not as durable as metal but for one or two uses, I'm thinking it might be fine.
It should work, if the cross-linking reaction for the epoxy heats up too quickly it might cause some warping, but assuming it is all the right dimensions it should work just fine.
On “The Modern Rogue” they used a 3D printed PLA for a key that worked
@@Abdega The stuff in the kit I'm thinking of seems to be fairly dimensionally stable. I'm intending to cast an Audi key. Won't help with starting, of course.
@Chaos Corner
That might work for opening the doors. Thing is, I feel like I saw somewhere that some car key systems check the resistance of the key as well (along with the rfid and the like).
If the door lock is purely mechanical, it should work though.
Keep us updated on how it works?
another great one. Im def gonna try takin pictures of my keys thank you deviant
the goat was ramming his reflection.i do it all the time
LockPickingLawyer doesn't need to see the key or even a photo of the key or a mold of the key. He'll pick your lock sight unseen, disassemble it and hand you the pieces.
But that is covert, this is surreptitious
The Pak-a-Punch style tool featured in a Columbo episode 'Troubled Waters". Robert Vaughn used one to make a duplicate key to the victim's room. It was called a Curtis Clipper in the episode. Columbo knew about them as his brother-in-law ran a used car dealership.
If I didn't admire Deviant already, I would have after that charity plug. Goddamn what a good way to use screen time
Thank you so much
YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN.GOD DONT DAM NOTHING.THAT WORD,WILL KEEP YOU FROM WINNING THE LOTERY,OR MABY NOT HELPING YOU GET WELL IF YOU GET DEATHLY ILL.I WOULD NEVER TAKE THAT CHANCE IF I WERE YOU..UGH..
Something he didn't talk about, is that if you carry a bar of soap with yourself, you could EASILY, push the key into it, and now you have the exact shape and measurements in like 3 seconds, which is significantly quicker than measuring with calipers, also, you can measure the soap negative shape later
Edit: Nvm, his clay mold is essentially the same as my soap. Oh well, atleast i didn't make a fool of myself
Thanks for telling me how to open my schools Master lock lockers :D
just use a rake or shim
Is deviant training goats now?
Zachary Schroeder That’s part of his new wake the F**k-Up and smell the coffee Pen-Test service after the Goat breaks into the building it is trained to go around and find the security guards and give them the horn, dry deep, and hard.
Everybody knows,
A goat can eat anything.
But, they can't drink everything.
The goat is not a Deviant.
lol
just remember, its a felony to forge a key for a place that you aren't allowed to have one for. friend of mine did something like this back in high school and when he got found out, the school called the police and they threatened him with a felony. they made him pay for every single lock in the school to be re-keyed. he didn't get arrested but he did lose honors and got suspended for a week.
@Sebastian i dont life in the USA so i cant say the laws. but he was basically going to be charged for having burglary tools. it was a concern to them because things from the chemistry department had been going missing for awhile and they thought it was him. it wasn't and he got away with the only the punishment that he got.
@Sebastian: but forging that random comma between "key" and "is" _is_ one, hehe!
24:03 "Get the direct bititng code"
Or just buy the key and save yourself the time of duplicating the key yourself using the code.
yeah just what I thought lol
A locked door merely invites curiosity.
Can't they use very hard rubber coatings or some such on the picking tools to prevent visible scratching?
Also look behind the key sometimes if it's original the cut numbers are on the back.muiltlock keys are the easiest to read
37:36 - Absinthe. 🧚🏽♂️
If he wants to perform surreptitious entry, why not use materials softer than the pins/latches?
That latch slip he shows could easily be done with a plastic hook (maybe nylon?) instead of a steel hook.
Those softer materials are likely to leave some traces of them, kind of inverted scratches. And anything elastic that does not scratch the pins nor leave residue will be nightmare as a picking tool.
People over use this statement, but I seriously just learned so much from this video.
so glad to hear it!
If you have access to a key lay it on a business card trace it
With a pen
If you have time do it a few times
Cut one with exacto knife
Use it to file use the other as a gauge I did it I knew nothing about bidding number it worked perfect
This talk was amazing and very informative, thank you Deviant! (Also, props for promoting those charities!)
42:25 play @ 50% its musically amazing. As soon as he says FUCKABUNCHAFILING hit your back arrow. Rinse and repeat!
Points for the os/2 desktop.
My home key had the bitting stamped onto the side of key from the factory
2:55 Shoutout to Bosnian Bill!
Reminds me of TSA keys leak:)
15:22 OS/2 WARP ;0)
Got that, at least IBM don't try stealing your private information ;)
This is the comment I came here for.
I watched this one video of some people who made a metal mold of a key out of clay and poured melted lead in it and they did open a lock once. If they only knew what they were doing it would have been considerably easier.
Ok well I guess I get to eat this comment with side of crow. The do make keys that way. Surely they use something stronger than lead like some kind of alloy that has a higher melting temperature and stronger.
the lock on my drawer is so bad that I could pick it with scissors, simply applying pressure. nothing more.
I had a cheap safe one, could "pick" the bypass lock with the blunt end of a tension wrench..
that's not as bad as mine though
You could make clear cards with the guide lines for bitting depths so you can measure on the spot if you get the keys alone
So where can i find a secure lock or do i need big hounds to guard my place???
both
LockPickingLawyer meanwhile: Key? What for? I don't play the piano, thank you!?
Counter point. Do you want Lock picking Lawyer being "on the job" or would you rather clone a key and give it to some grunts to use and get in.
In chess, would you send your queen to fight in the trenches if you are unsure of the whole board?
Food for thought, the AI in Social Media, once done recognizing all faces, will be taking note of everyones keys! Is Terminator real?
No, social media is capable of finding the correct Sarah Conner.
Ah lol all 3 my keys have the bitting codes on.
Very interesting Thanks
I have a picture of dimple key. Can you recommend me how to copy it? My ex won't give me my stuff back
How about the Master "V" series (lock model 1525) V20? (4 pin small pin series)?
Ah NGRE, the highest classification of covert entry
Wow, thank you for that download
I can't even find Pack-A-Punch for sale anymore. (I may have seen a used one for sale but didn't necessarily trust it to be in working order)
0:53 "We do physical pen tasting"
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-Key Stuff
HPC key cutter.
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Make keys from photos.
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(overlay lines download) github.com/deviantollam/decoding
Shim a disassembled lock:
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Blind Code Lookup References:
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1. Woods metal is potentially carcinogenic.
2. Deviant didn't talk about it, but you could also 3d print a working key.
Carcinogenic*
-Your friendly internet Grammar Nazi
I've 3D printed keys before, they're too weak.
@@LoganDark4357 Guys from the modern rouge demonstrated that it is possible with PLA, which is on the weaker side of filaments. It would be much easier with ABS or nylon.
@@LoganDark4357 lol. That simply means either the process wasn't as refined when you did so, your equipment isn't accurate enough, or you're not doing something correctly.
There was a long time where 3d printed keys were just a novel idea that barely worked at all; that has since changed drastically. Not to mention that 3d printers can use different materials now.
I suggest watching the HOPE talk about the TSA key leaks; the process of refining the key printing process to the point where they worked fairly well is documented within that project very clearly, as when they began the material being weak wasn't even the main issue; it was drastic tolerances in the production of the locks, although material played a big factor at that time.
When using softer material, the key will degrade and only have a limited number of uses... But saying 3d printing makes keys that are too weak to function is generally incorrect at this point in time.
Jeez, I never said 3D printing makes keys too weak, I said the ones I printed were. Calm down.
My house key has a direct code on it. It's also a really terrible pattern. Just decending from shoulder to tip. Thanks hardware store. Fantastic bitting.
Why laser cut the gages ?
Use a UV film plotter with only the cutter bit.
Hell, they make 1 for kid's crafts that plugs into your computer that'll work too.
Walmart
he's great this fella.
Anyone know what the blank for the key at 19:09 is, I have one and need to make a copy
Looks like its from a Best system. Not sure which keyway that is though.
Dose Anyone have a blank medeco 7M keyway 5 pin I can get ??
get? lol