Funny you mentioned that. I first started looking into Bataille two years ago and there was basically nothing on youtube. Bataillle came to my mind again the other day after reading about anti philosophy. In the past few years, I think there has been some interest in certain circles to bring his material back to the spotlight for whatever reason. It's now a little better on youtube but you have a point, there is a need for more material. This video helps.
I need to say this here and now. Zoom is the worst POS technology in the last ten years. It basically works at the level of dial-up internet. Infuriating when every other sentence has a glitch and then add the Ms Power's accent. It blows my mind that Zoom is now worth Billions. But since we live in an age where humans will put up with anything as long as their cell phones can lead them to Twitter or Instagram it's not surprising. but I do want to thank Justin for doing his best and Nina for the many interesting observations that I could fully make out.
The thing about the sun that she said about in the first ten minutes was powerful and her comprehension of Bataille is very accurate. All of these things do have deeply mystical and spiritual means for Bataille, paradoxically perhaps.
Deathspell Omega is by far the most Bataillean musical act today. Not only do they utilize his work explicitly in their lyrics, but their sonic and visual style is Bataillean par excellence.
@@honestpeoplearescum8401 mainly bc he encountered Rosenberg's demeaning comments about dyonisian spirituality and great mother.. Bataille thought highly of fascism on the other hand.. but it must be said that nazism was ultimately very Batsillean..
You could also bring up his books "The Cradle of Humanity: Prehistoric Art and Culture", "The Unfinished System of Nonknowledge", "Visions of Excess: Selected Writings 1927 - 1939", "L'Abbe C", & "The Absence of Myth: Writings on Surrealism".
I have no idea if they are by any means the best, but someone in the live chat asked for an example of artists that in some way are incarnations of Bataille's philosphy. One example of this is the avant-garde black metal band Deathspell Omega, who at least for their album The Furnaces of Palingenesia has mentioned Bataille as a strong influence on their work.
The Hellraiser movie series (mostly the first two films) are influenced by Bataille's work quite a bit, Clive Barker himself deeply appreciates him and the themes of sacred limit expirience between polar opposites, such as love/hate, pain/pleasure etc are interestingly meditated on through cenobites
Seminar room is a sacred society and cancellation is a 'human sacrifice'. And all of this in context of larping Bataille. Yes, we are living in posthuman world. 'Another century of readers - and spirit itself will stink'.
Contra Justin's distinction between LARP and 'Real', we're all born naked, the rest is LARP. Justin is LARPing philosopher, youtuber, whatever. Cultural participation is LARP.
She is absolutely fantastic. Incredibly stoked on how she expressed herself and approached the material; and wasn’t an apologist for anything, just stating everything as such, which is tough when it comes to anything critical theory related, is there always needs to an a priori sort of distancing from the material, for example...”I obviously don’t agree with Bataille’s orientalism expressed, obviously, but his point...” heard that the other day on a podcast, where these individuals must always be put through a soft of progressive or Overton window filter/machine and then talked about, which is incredibly frustrating. I love the fact she didn’t do that, which is very refreshing.
To treat Bataille as a larper is such an easy way to not engage with his thought. It is just a way to go around the most controversial aspects of his thought. Even if stories of potential human sacrifice are not true, what is important is that Bataille's thought/existential experiment was gravitating toward this direction. 'Academic' Bataille is the castrated Bataille. And I don't even like him very much.
You should get Duane Rousselle into the podcast, it would be interesting to have Nina and him talk about both post-anarchism and post-feminism as an extension of Bataille's trascendental notion of the limit-experience rather than some sort of conformist outlooks.
Quite a good talk, but the amount of time spent focusing on deflating the anecdotes built up around the supposed human sacrifice of Acephale really belies a kind of strangely hyper-focused aim at debunking the occurrence of an actual murder, rather than illustrating an open understanding of the variety of modes of thinking Bataille practice and engaged with. In other words, what you're describing is, in many other cultures and societies, called magical practice, and had been a part of these civilizations' understanding via more experiential routes and avenues of practice totally lost and erased from contemporary philosophy. It's just strange to, on one hand, acknowledge the myriad of radical sources of input feeding into Bataille's thought, to also recognize him as a focused, extreme thinker willing to challenge the foundations of systems (a bit like Artaud in spirit there), but then to go on about how his expansion also into mystico/magical practice is somehow trivialized as 'larping' just because there is no human sacrifice at the end of it. There is a lot to be gained from less reductive and materialist ways of experiencing the world, and Bataille certainly knew this, and engaged in other means of discovery. But like most good grimoires, they operate with blinds build in to weed out the foolish who actually believe in collecting a corpse's hand, or sacrificing anything in actuality. For all the good observation found here, within the various tendrils of discussion, that dirge is a bit much, since it basically seeks to debunk a simple myth of little to no consequence while missing the entire point of what he was even attempting to get at as being of value in itself.
The idea of headlessness is coincident with the popular Acephale story of the willing sacrificess, but the ABSENCE of the willing sacrificer. The knowing-thinker can "logically" imagine its own disappearance and death. But that familiar identity is "the fake" - an excess of imagination, ultimately a falsehood, or at best a case of mistaken identity as rich as any Hitchcock movie with such a theme. A contemporary heretical kabbalist named David Chaim Smith has published a text named THE SACRIFICIAL UNIVERSE. Many of his books detail secrets regarding the Zohar's phrase "The Headless Head of Keter=Crown". The Zen tradition refers to the headlessness of the practitioner. Idries Shah states that the original meaning of Baphomet has to do with a golden (truth-color) headedness, which itself is a headlessness - later popularized as the image of the beastial goat-headed form, conducting the electrical circuitry between heaven & earth, like the lighting flash. (For a person this means selfless headlessness because all that remains there is a primoridal function, that might be called divinity.) So perhaps the meaning of Bataille's secret for society can be approached through deciphering this most-famous anecdotal tidbit about the fascination with human sacrifice, and its aborted endeavoring. (Again we might see the "do-nothing" wisdom of zen concordant with Bataille's economic modelling where the universe is recognized as pure excess with aesthetic imposition). Legend states that all members took the step of being willing to be ritually sacrificed, and no one was left to do the sacrifice once they had all made their individual contributions. This also would support Bataille's seriousness about community being a force-potential that supposed individuals can tap into in order to fling themselves beyond the confines of culture, harnessing and liberating the energy of the conditioned contexts of meaning.
As far as political-uprising business in relation to Bataille's "insanity", you're getting very close when mentioning the "secret rituals of Epstein" et al. Read the Solar Anus. What does Bataille know about a vertical pole and rotational motion around it? What does that have to do with "Torsion Field Physics" - thereby state secrets, military-industrial technology secrets, stuff beyond Nikola Tesla & Wilhelm Reich?!?!? Is it possible that Bataille's economic philosophy & practice is so precise as to get to the heart of reality's cutting edge? If his philosophy is engaged, the dichotomy of inside and outside (technology) becomes obliterated! Is the human bodymind the device wherein and whereby the universal excess runs and returns as an energy? If so, what organizes and commands that energy? State secrets seem to become most critical where INFORMATION subsumes PHYSICS as a disciple!
I'm sorry, but when Nina says that Bataille was "anti-Hegelian" and "anti-systematic", she was way, way off the mark. In every volume of the Accursed Share Bataille is at pains to remind us that he intends to "make the mind adequate to the object it seeks to comprehend," and this in a "rigorous" way, which involves sketching out a historical cycle of reversals, of "negation and its returns," that do not consist in isolated phases, but form an "integral totality" for which "only the comprehensive view of the whole is meaningful." This is quite clearly a systematic approach to his subject-matter which, though it departs from Kojeve's reading of Hegel on many points (e.g, the rivalry of generosity in gift giving replaces the violent combat of the master-slave dialectic), should nevertheless be read as a Nietzschean species of Hegelian philosophy.
God, please do not lend your attention to this goon. If you want a decent understanding of bataille (without reading much from him at least), just read the biography by bataille scholar Stuart Kendall.
UA-cam is in serious need of quality Bataille material, thanks for the wonderful contribution
Funny you mentioned that. I first started looking into Bataille two years ago and there was basically nothing on youtube. Bataillle came to my mind again the other day after reading about anti philosophy. In the past few years, I think there has been some interest in certain circles to bring his material back to the spotlight for whatever reason. It's now a little better on youtube but you have a point, there is a need for more material. This video helps.
Could listen to these two for days
Yes so could I they have great minds
I need to say this here and now. Zoom is the worst POS technology in the last ten years. It basically works at the level of dial-up internet. Infuriating when every other sentence has a glitch and then add the Ms Power's accent. It blows my mind that Zoom is now worth Billions. But since we live in an age where humans will put up with anything as long as their cell phones can lead them to Twitter or Instagram it's not surprising.
but I do want to thank Justin for doing his best and Nina for the many interesting observations that I could fully make out.
wonderful can't believe I just stumbled upon this ;,)
The thing about the sun that she said about in the first ten minutes was powerful and her comprehension of Bataille is very accurate. All of these things do have deeply mystical and spiritual means for Bataille, paradoxically perhaps.
Deathspell Omega is by far the most Bataillean musical act today. Not only do they utilize his work explicitly in their lyrics, but their sonic and visual style is Bataillean par excellence.
Bataille wasn't too fond of Nazis though.
@@honestpeoplearescum8401 mainly bc he encountered Rosenberg's demeaning comments about dyonisian spirituality and great mother.. Bataille thought highly of fascism on the other hand.. but it must be said that nazism was ultimately very Batsillean..
@@honestpeoplearescum8401 well they are not nazis.
@@fjalargalgvider3710 hi Fjalar.. who are u talking about?
@@fjalargalgvider3710 I asked u smthng.. little boy..
You could also bring up his books "The Cradle of Humanity: Prehistoric Art and Culture", "The Unfinished System of Nonknowledge", "Visions of Excess: Selected Writings 1927 - 1939", "L'Abbe C", & "The Absence of Myth: Writings on Surrealism".
Epic work.
I have no idea if they are by any means the best, but someone in the live chat asked for an example of artists that in some way are incarnations of Bataille's philosphy. One example of this is the avant-garde black metal band Deathspell Omega, who at least for their album The Furnaces of Palingenesia has mentioned Bataille as a strong influence on their work.
I think Swans is one of the best, not as overtly as DSO but in a way more sublime way
Vánargandr is deeply Bataillean..
@@4stringedninja Absolutely! The way Gira sings about pain, love, money, violence is pure Bataille's (and Nietzsche's) philosophy.
Eyehategod is music, and the game cruelty squad is based entirely on bataille’s notions and works
The Hellraiser movie series (mostly the first two films) are influenced by Bataille's work quite a bit, Clive Barker himself deeply appreciates him and the themes of sacred limit expirience between polar opposites, such as love/hate, pain/pleasure etc are interestingly meditated on through cenobites
.. def need more of this, as others have also said.. 🧐👍
justin back with the good stuff
Seminar room is a sacred society and cancellation is a 'human sacrifice'. And all of this in context of larping Bataille. Yes, we are living in posthuman world. 'Another century of readers - and spirit itself will stink'.
sounds cool. I'll check it out.
I've read Power's book. She's brilliant.
Ty
What happened to the Bataille course?
If there's anything the live chat and comments taught me it's to not talk about Bataille with fans of Bataille.
I agree and very good insight
Justin why did you call Bataille a larper LMAOO
Contra Justin's distinction between LARP and 'Real', we're all born naked, the rest is LARP. Justin is LARPing philosopher, youtuber, whatever. Cultural participation is LARP.
She is absolutely fantastic. Incredibly stoked on how she expressed herself and approached the material; and wasn’t an apologist for anything, just stating everything as such, which is tough when it comes to anything critical theory related, is there always needs to an a priori sort of distancing from the material, for example...”I obviously don’t agree with Bataille’s orientalism expressed, obviously, but his point...” heard that the other day on a podcast, where these individuals must always be put through a soft of progressive or Overton window filter/machine and then talked about, which is incredibly frustrating. I love the fact she didn’t do that, which is very refreshing.
You could read Bataille's "Theory of Religion" ... to recognize his perspective of "religion"...
What if your too lazy to read it?
do an other life episode about enframement
To treat Bataille as a larper is such an easy way to not engage with his thought. It is just a way to go around the most controversial aspects of his thought. Even if stories of potential human sacrifice are not true, what is important is that Bataille's thought/existential experiment was gravitating toward this direction. 'Academic' Bataille is the castrated Bataille. And I don't even like him very much.
Elon musk fires a car into space and people wonder if there is excess.
I cream for Nina
"bataille was a larper and a deeply mentally ill individual" just makes him cooler
LARPing is literally the best way to learn (or learn about) anything.
Starts at 02.05
1:10:00 The Dark Carnival, if you will
1:09:54 Nina Power coming in hot at the end of this talk.
So good 💪
Good shit.
Distinguishing the larp vs real ritual! Nice 👍
You should get Duane Rousselle into the podcast, it would be interesting to have Nina and him talk about both post-anarchism and post-feminism as an extension of Bataille's trascendental notion of the limit-experience rather than some sort of conformist outlooks.
Homogeneity does NOT arise in a "constant" regime of quantity .............
Quite a good talk, but the amount of time spent focusing on deflating the anecdotes built up around the supposed human sacrifice of Acephale really belies a kind of strangely hyper-focused aim at debunking the occurrence of an actual murder, rather than illustrating an open understanding of the variety of modes of thinking Bataille practice and engaged with. In other words, what you're describing is, in many other cultures and societies, called magical practice, and had been a part of these civilizations' understanding via more experiential routes and avenues of practice totally lost and erased from contemporary philosophy. It's just strange to, on one hand, acknowledge the myriad of radical sources of input feeding into Bataille's thought, to also recognize him as a focused, extreme thinker willing to challenge the foundations of systems (a bit like Artaud in spirit there), but then to go on about how his expansion also into mystico/magical practice is somehow trivialized as 'larping' just because there is no human sacrifice at the end of it. There is a lot to be gained from less reductive and materialist ways of experiencing the world, and Bataille certainly knew this, and engaged in other means of discovery. But like most good grimoires, they operate with blinds build in to weed out the foolish who actually believe in collecting a corpse's hand, or sacrificing anything in actuality. For all the good observation found here, within the various tendrils of discussion, that dirge is a bit much, since it basically seeks to debunk a simple myth of little to no consequence while missing the entire point of what he was even attempting to get at as being of value in itself.
Colette Peignot offered her self as a sacrifice to the boys but GB declined
The idea of headlessness is coincident with the popular Acephale story of the willing sacrificess, but the ABSENCE of the willing sacrificer.
The knowing-thinker can "logically" imagine its own disappearance and death.
But that familiar identity is "the fake" - an excess of imagination, ultimately a falsehood, or at best a case of mistaken identity as rich as any Hitchcock movie with such a theme.
A contemporary heretical kabbalist named David Chaim Smith has published a text named THE SACRIFICIAL UNIVERSE.
Many of his books detail secrets regarding the Zohar's phrase "The Headless Head of Keter=Crown".
The Zen tradition refers to the headlessness of the practitioner.
Idries Shah states that the original meaning of Baphomet has to do with a golden (truth-color) headedness, which itself is a headlessness - later popularized as the image of the beastial goat-headed form, conducting the electrical circuitry between heaven & earth, like the lighting flash. (For a person this means selfless headlessness because all that remains there is a primoridal function, that might be called divinity.)
So perhaps the meaning of Bataille's secret for society can be approached through deciphering this most-famous anecdotal tidbit about the fascination with human sacrifice, and its aborted endeavoring. (Again we might see the "do-nothing" wisdom of zen concordant with Bataille's economic modelling where the universe is recognized as pure excess with aesthetic imposition).
Legend states that all members took the step of being willing to be ritually sacrificed, and no one was left to do the sacrifice once they had all made their individual contributions. This also would support Bataille's seriousness about community being a force-potential that supposed individuals can tap into in order to fling themselves beyond the confines of culture, harnessing and liberating the energy of the conditioned contexts of meaning.
As far as political-uprising business in relation to Bataille's "insanity", you're getting very close when mentioning the "secret rituals of Epstein" et al.
Read the Solar Anus.
What does Bataille know about a vertical pole and rotational motion around it?
What does that have to do with "Torsion Field Physics" -
thereby state secrets, military-industrial technology secrets, stuff beyond Nikola Tesla & Wilhelm Reich?!?!?
Is it possible that Bataille's economic philosophy & practice is so precise as to get to the heart of reality's cutting edge?
If his philosophy is engaged, the dichotomy of inside and outside (technology) becomes obliterated!
Is the human bodymind the device wherein and whereby the universal excess runs and returns as an energy?
If so, what organizes and commands that energy?
State secrets seem to become most critical where INFORMATION subsumes PHYSICS as a disciple!
Life is larping
Philosophy on bad sound is like eating an omelett with shells.
I take no offense that effective altruists havr a categorical imperative
I'm sorry, but when Nina says that Bataille was "anti-Hegelian" and "anti-systematic", she was way, way off the mark. In every volume of the Accursed Share Bataille is at pains to remind us that he intends to "make the mind adequate to the object it seeks to comprehend," and this in a "rigorous" way, which involves sketching out a historical cycle of reversals, of "negation and its returns," that do not consist in isolated phases, but form an "integral totality" for which "only the comprehensive view of the whole is meaningful." This is quite clearly a systematic approach to his subject-matter which, though it departs from Kojeve's reading of Hegel on many points (e.g, the rivalry of generosity in gift giving replaces the violent combat of the master-slave dialectic), should nevertheless be read as a Nietzschean species of Hegelian philosophy.
All is good - Good stuff - well done - but why is it that the no-brain-task- of manking quality videos - is imposible for people of high IQ?
What a nerd lol XD
God, please do not lend your attention to this goon. If you want a decent understanding of bataille (without reading much from him at least), just read the biography by bataille scholar Stuart Kendall.
"decent understanding of bataille (without reading much from him" just read Bataille for Idiots.