B & J Jukes yes immediately after my comment they thanked me for pointing out the discrepancy and they added a correction to the header text. Props to them for admitting to their mistake 👍🏼
CORRECTIONS: 1) In the group of pictures at 0:43 the deer listed as a rusa deer is actually a white-tailed deer, which does not exist in the wild in Australia. 2) It is important to note that deer are also not native (0:03) to the submerged continent of Zealandia (which includes New Zealand). Thanks to the users who pointed these issues out in the comments.
Western Australia, where you can only shoot on private property with the permission of a farmer. So essentially that translates to absolutely zero control of feral animals. They breed out of control on every other bit of state land. Most farms won't let anyone shoot on them.
@@michaelcarnasciali1311 Be careful, I've done 3k worth of electrical work spread across two different farmers, so I can shoot on their properties, they think that means you can shoot twice and that's even. Don't even bother, everyone I've approached in WA about shooting on their farm loves that they have one thing over city people. Be careful doing work for people to shoot I'm about then tenth person I know of who has been screwed the same way.
I don’t understand your point. Of course you can only shoot on private land with the owners permission. Otherwise it’s called poaching. And it’s illegal. Like ILLEGAL across every inch of the planet; not just WA.
I don’t understand why Australia doesn’t give up the beef industry and just use the feral deer, hog, goat and camels as their sources of meat to eat and sell.
@I see it like this I feel like: Now I don’t agree with people killing the native wildlife for this purpose. I’m specifically talking about the feral animals that destroy the local environment and make life even hard on the native animals.
Tasmania might have deer in the freezer, but I know the rest of Australia is in search of delicious, hormone and pesticide free protein. I hunt deer in NSW and whenever I harvest an animal I have friends and family ALWAYS asking if I have any spare. Its absolutely some of the most healthy meat around and would be a total waste of an amazing resource, and have some pretty horrible flow on effects if they were to start poisoning in the bush. If you want to discuss the destruction in the Snowy Mountains where is the conversation about the brumbies?
You are 100% spot on mate but if you give it to friends and family for free the government isn’t getting there slice of the pie old mate , it’s all about $$$$$ just like everything else is , it’s just sad
Marc Sacco it’s government that do the damage. Like you say government is not getting biggest slice of the cake. They don’t want ppl to be self sufficient because their slice is getting smaller. It’s seems to becoming a world wide problem. Any good protein seems to be come a feral animal that needs to be eradicated. Then their so called climate crisis, also think that’s bs but if they think it’s not why waist those good protein and take pressure of farming!!
It is sad to see the farmers struggling this way. And I comprehend the hunters not wanting to shoot and waste the venison. In Saskatchewan (Canada) hunters can get extra tags (part of the licencing/tracking hunting) to take extra deer and donate the venison to local food banks. This reduces waste and provides much benefit to food banks
When I lived in Namibia, we had an excellent system for culling, when a permit was granted to the landowner, a group of professional hunters who would shoot at night with lamps to maximise head shots. Refrigerated vehicles are on site with a portable processing tent with rails, to eviscerate, and a meat inspector to do the primary inspection, and the carcase is numbered with the "pluck" and delivered to the abattoir in Windhoek within a prescribed time. The antelope are then skinned, and undergo a final inspection by the on site meat inspector, then cut and packed for export to Europe, damaged carcases are trimmed and used for local consumption only.
All a situation of a profitable market and production. And with invasive species, this break-even point is often a population still well within pest levels. So it may improve feed a bit, unless the key population reduction is achieved it's a failure. Conversely where the returns are sufficient commercial hunters can devastate pest populations in accessible locations.
I travel 15hrs to do a weeks worth of hunting on family property. If they have problems there are ways to help. Helping farmers and putting lots of great meat in freezers is a blessing.
Bob Brown is antigun, anti hunting & anything hunting related including anti suppressors, how is there any balanced debate when the ABC shows his face? You cannot cull any animal unless you know how to hunt?
SO “so called hunters” We Don’t get payed to cull deer! We pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege to hunt deer, Also we’re not rolling around in the moonlight with night vision and suppressors! It doesn’t matter how you go about it farmers complain about all sorts of feral animals but won’t let hunters on their property to shoot them! I’ve had access to a property for going on 20 years from hunting starlings to deer but when the old man passed away the daughter turned the working farm into a “land for wildlife property” NO MORE HUNTING, Two years later I get a phone call asking me to come and shoot some foxes and deer, I told her maybe you should get a “Professional shooter” She replied there to expensive. Well seeing two years ago you called me out of the blue and pretty much advised me not to call and ask for permission to hunt on your property anymore I think my answer will be NO, find someone else that your farther trusted and respected for 20 years. Or pay a pro shooter! Hypocrites!
best to just let the pest control guys do the job and not the hunters.. I started of as a hunter then pest control, I see were the farmers are coming from. I don't do it anymore but still, plenty of pest control guys around and farmers can clam it on there farm tax, were as hunters you can't.
Ian Farr-Wharton you’re comment doesn’t make any sense, So you think it’s better for a property owner to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for professional shooter to come out and shoot deer foxes pigs dogs ect, when a hunter will come and hunt for free and also Utilise the game meat, and as a tradesman they also love me doing some odd job they just can’t tackle! Also I’m Sure the farmer would rather spend his or her money on something else thats more tangible instead of wasting money on a problem that they never created in the first place.
Ian Farr-Wharton ! It appears that you are assuming that the farmer must pay for a hunter to hunt , that would be true for professional hunters ie- hired gun- but from the comments i have read, seams like the average Joe can not find a place to hunt where they don’t want him to pay, instead of charging the hunter , just have him donate 1/4 to the farmer! The other thing is you have got to form a co-op , Join together & kick out the greenies , get bills enacted that cancel out the greenies bills , THAT is what they do
in the 1980's I can remember that we had a line in the woods of Northeastern Pennsylvania, the height that a deer could reach to eat. Then the PA game commission decided to reduce the herd. We went from one deer a year to one buck and some people could get 3 doe tags. We reduced the herd and the undergrowth started to come back and now there are things that I did not see before, like the wild blueberry bushes in places I have been all my life. Why did I not see them before, the deer were eating them. Then they started trapping black bears and expanding the range in PA along with coyotes moving in and the population still took a decade. the interesting thing, black bears do kill off quite a few deer in a year.
That's an awesome tidbit. Here in southern Wisconsin the deer just demolish the understory of forests. But in the last 4 years a couple bears, wolves, and even a couple mountain lions have showed up. Plenty of deer to go around.
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3 possible things the government could do. (1) Allow hunters to use sound moderators/suppressors (2) Open up more public land similar to the NSW state forest system, including some areas of national parks not used by the public, using GPS maps for exclusion zones etc. (3) Allow hunters to sell game meat to local abattoirs. A few possible things that hunters could do (1) Stop passing up does/hinds for bucks/stags (2) Be responsible while out in the bush and take your rubbish with you (3) Stop hunting Illegally
Thats the problem though, as a whole, people arent responsible, they leave rubbish and they will hunt illegally, you can put your house on it. That why its in the situation its in.
"dee-ah" I love that accent. Seems to me that this is an excellent food source and all those involved should work together to maximize the benefit of controlling feral deer. Humans make everything so effing difficult.
Hope not as they have been using 1080 here for years now and though pests might be suppressed in some areas with it,they are still here , with the live capture and deer farms the numbers have been more manageable and there is reasonable money in the velvet and meat though as with any other farm product you have your good and bad years. There would need to be management programs out side those areas. In NZ here wallabies were introduced and they to are now becoming a problem yet a lot of areas have been 1080 drops ,there needs to be a lot of thinking outside the square with a lot of these animals, why are they increasing in numbers , are they of value as a farmed commodity .
Here in NSW i find it very hard/impossible to get any access to hunt on farming properties. From what I understand is that farmers don’t allow hunting on there properties because of all the idiots.
They let you on if you offer to pay. I get on many private properties buy offering farmers a fee to hunt and butchery as many animals as they want in their freezer. After all, it's their land and their right to make money from it. Small price to pay
Hell when I worked in a store almost 2/3 of are beef was marked product of Australia, so. Start sending us your venison. Jerky and Summer sausge is real popular. Here in America.
I’m an old deer culler from the 1960 in NZ when deer were plentiful. In later years I went on to farm them in a small way. They were said to be a vector animal or carrier of bovine TB and that required deer to be TB tested before slaughter at the meat works. The biggest problem with deer farming was having a meat works reasonably local to kill and process deer carcasses. They were good income but spasmodic due to killing facility closures.
Huge deer, antlers and all, ran in front of my car at around 7pm at night in suburban Brisbane.. I slammed my brakes and we were both stunned, it by the headlights and I by the sight of a deer 🦌.. Honestly it was mesmerising. Never heard of wild deer, especially here, I was in complete shock.
BCC has put out traps to try and catch them around Pullenvale but 'sensitive' locals keep destroying them so the bambis don't get offended. Meanwhile we're just waiting for a fatal car crash involving a 300 pound hamburger. Been plenty of written off cars but bambi means more to locals then peoples lives I guess.
They're a fairly common sight in many parts of rural Victoria. Their numbers are growing in QLD, and you will likely see more in the coming years. They usually do not run from approaching cars at night, and will stand still & stare in the middle of the road. The Americans have the term "deer in the headlights". Crashing into one, especially at 100kmh, can be very serious.
I saw "wild deer" and as an American I was like, "WTF? As opposed to what, domesticated deer?" Then you talk about venison farms, and my reaction is just, "Huh... Well I'll be damned." I'm not sure how I feel about venison farming. I think it's far more humane to hunt mature deer that have lived a long, free life without fences, eat a natural diet, breed to their heart's content, and be given a clean, near-instant death. Definitely beats being mauled and eaten alive by mountain lions (which we have here), as well as being far better than being fenced in all their life, probably not getting to breed, and then slaughtered in their prime. Seems like your hunters are slacking off.
Ok let me explain most brritsh males I've met act that way and we faught 2 separate wars for our freodm and one of those was the right to keep a gun or guns as far as the hunting goes hear we have the right to hunt to feed our family and with what you said y'alls letting the anties and the environatzes run the whole show as far as the hunting laws go besides we don't shoot to sell hear and I've never left a deer or anyother game to rot unless i have no other choice if we as hunters don't stand up and fight for our rights we will louse them and it won't matter where you are from the USA or Australia .
@@tobyjenny7622 ...Give it time...we'll have the same BS going on here (look at Cali and the ban on furs/fur harvesting). Most people give no shits about guns or hunting...sustaining their lives is as easy as going to the grocery store...they do not care what effects others(especially when it involves something they don't care about). Ban golf?...I don't golf, so I don't care...ban away!!! My Dad used to carry his shotgun to school...elementary school!!!...during hunting season. He'd just lean it up in the corner of the classroom, with the other kid's guns. By the time I got to high school (early 90's)...as you drove off, after school, if you had on any camo (during hunting season), you would get pulled over and your car searched...and busted if you had any hunting weapon. In my 30 years of hunting/shooting...nothing has been made easier. They continue to slowly whittle away at our freedoms. They will also continue to try to make things more and more of a pain in the ass.
I feel like if you’re just hunting for meat, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to take some friends so they can also fill up their fridges aswell. It will also help cull a lot of the pests
Sambar are not easy to stalk, just numerous. Weekend hunters fill their pack and go home, maybe their party shoot 4-5 deer. To get a Game Licence you have to be an ethical hunter, you can't shoot deer at night, you can't across somebody's land without permission, you can't transport firearms through protected wilderness in tourist areas like ski resorts (basically a whole mountain). There's no bag limit in Victoria for taking Sambar, hunting season is almost year round but hardly anyone has an inclination to slaughter every game species animal they see in a weekend at hard to reach deer habitat that isn't a Sanctuary, a protected forest, a tourist destination, a grazing land or simply sensitive and prohibited due to a native wildlife habitat. Farmers simply can't devote their entire existance to destroying every deer they see on the farm property, its exhaustive and ruinous. When someone asks if they can shoot on a farmer's property, they don't immediately reduce an appreciable swathe of the deer population eating into the farmer's livestock carrying capacity. So what's the point? The farmer wants guaranteed, immediate relief. He waits for the day govenment approves a state-contracted local sharpshooter cull fiesta. Its worth big money to the one's in the know, the people out where the money is spent like himself and a coupla bros, so the whole drag can be put to an end overnight. Australia has more wild sambar than the countries they were introduced from put together: Sambar deer are endangered in their native habitat but common in South Eastern Australia.
@@santyclause8034 ... Simply making hunting easily accessible to the Australian public would fix the problem with deer and they could charge a considerable amount per hunting license maybe double for children etc.
Scabies mite is rampant in the Yarra Ranges, I've seen a dead mangy Sambar stag left by the roadside, mangy Foxes trotting through tall grass and undergrowth, and mangy Common Wombat all in the last week just from the roadside. Occasionally young rabbits, Eastern Grey Kangaroos, Rufous wallabies, another I haven't identified is of dark grey with a pronounced very long tail ending in a white tip, and a Lyrebird. From the roadside. I haven't driven more than 2-3 hours out of Melbourne. Problem is nearly all the wombats that I see from the roadside have it. From what I have been able to find out about this mite the Common Wombat doesn't live very long before a secondary infection kills it, because of fur loss from the mange. Mortality is very, very high, like 98% maybe, the mite has been introduced and almost nothing is stopping its rampant spread throughout our bushland. The mite pest harbors in Wombat burrows and red foxes 'borrow' the shelter offered by a wombat burrow. Deer spread the mite abroad outside, foxes bring it inside into the den below ground. Infected wombats have a dusty, almost hairless appearance in the headlights, have almost no adapted resistance, and cold nights in the Yarra Ranges can drop below freezing any time of year. It breaks my heart.
I lived in Cockatoo a few years ago and was calling in a lot of mangy wombats to a wildlife rescue mob who was treating them. They had some setup that doused them with a mange treatment when they entered their burrow.
Er Hello New Zealand here. It's called helicopters and semiautomatic shotguns with buck shot. It's in the name......BUCK shot. But seriously...don't waste these animals, why these farmers are not exploiting the "organic" side of these animals and treat them as a stock unit instead of a pest is beyond me. 🤷♂️
Because the biggest pests on Australian land are the farmers themselves. They don't know how to manage the land and cause local draughts due to there methods
Don’t post shit on behalf of nz. Shooting deer from a helicopter with a shot gun is the stupidities thing I’ve heard all year. Are u trying to make us all look dumb
Feed the meat to the poor and needy, out of charity, include a tax cut benefit for those hunting and donating and you're off to the races, they have a reason to hunt, sense of purpose and it helps those in need. The thing is it's very rare for a hunter to kill without a reason, an empty fridge, a pallet or pest control, these reasons are justifiable in the eyes of a hunter to take the life of another being as it serves a purpose and if there is an absence of that; why would they? So the solution is create a purpose and incentives it.
@@Kangawallafox Hunters already know how to process meat couldnt they as individuals band together and decide how the meat is to be distributed to the needy? The government could maybe have them test the meat before distribution somewhere
@@Kangawallafox Of course they should be paid I was just addressing the processing issue you brought up. I know how to process meat and have only been hunting for 9 months so I am sure guys that have been doing this for years can do it
Mary Valley Game Hunters is where it’s at, as previously interviewed on ABC, best feral pest culling around. Nothing goes to waste. Nothing left to rot. All removed and used for many purposes. We also travel all over Australia.
We currently are at a team of 6 at the moment. And at this stage not looking for any others cull shooters. But leave me your details for future reference.
As a hunter I understand that hunters shouldn’t just go hunting to fill the freezer or shoot a trophy stag.The emphasis on shooting a representative trophy stag seems to be of the utmost importance to many hunters in Australia today.We have a responsibility to manage game and feral animals on both public and private land in order help control animal numbers and reduce the impact of these animals on the environment.Private land owners should be able to call on shooting/hunting organisations or individual hunters to help manage the impact of both game and feral animals on their land.Locking gates to public land and farmers not allowing legitimate hunters on their properties only adds to the problem in the long term.
Rod George- thanks Rod. I feel sorry about the current situation and the behaviour of some people.With a bit of trust,respect and an open mind I believe that the outcome would be a positive one.Farmers shouldn’t have to find themselves culling nuisance animals around the clock.Something needs to change or else 1080 will be dropped from the sky like in New Zealand in recent years. There are plenty of safe,ethical hunters/shooters that are members of major hunting/shooting organisations within Australia that would be very keen to help out.Cheers,Rob.
The farmers are full of crap...i know heaps of people in tasmania and they cannot get access to shoot anywhere...cant complain about deer numbers when shooters cant get access to properties to shoot..
Darrin Haworth correct same here in the mainland 20 years ago I lost count of properties we weren’t allowed on and now there crying about pigs etc destroying there land ! They can all suffer now
@@sharons9367 I think you will find in a lot of cases it's the minority of hunters ruining for others. I lost all of my blocks due to other hunters that thought it was ok To help themself to farm machinery when they got stuck. Help themselves to diesel Mistaking alpacas for deer and not owning up to it Not closing gates , leaving rubbish lying the around the place ( booze cans bottles Shooting without considering the stock in the background etc etc And then the poaching that goes on from these guys telling there mates about the block. Yes I was pissed off about not being able to hunt these blocks anymore but hey I can't blame the farmers
Farmers that have a deer problem should contact the ADA (Australian Deer Association), I'm sure they'll be glad to help. The ADA does a great job in private land in SA.
Just don’t start again throwing poison from the air to try controlling them this way. Maybe those funds should instead go to hunters, when delivering venison to retailers. Moreover, let us not forget how badly wildlife was devastated in recent bush-fires!!!
I drive the Alpine highway to Hotham several time a year and mostly at night to avoid traffic. Deer numbers are getting bloody hectic in recent years, especially the closer you get and right in the centre of harrietville.
They do taste terrific though! Deer stake with a pinch of salt and freshly ground black peppa, sauce Bordelaise (made from red wine) and a bottle of excellent Barossa Valley Shiraz...............heavenly!
The problem is that there are “so called hunters” out there. You know the type, they fill their pockets with .308 to hunt a rabbit, can’t tell the difference between Bambi or Skippy and have no idea how to stalk, no patience and no idea how to shoot. It only takes 1 in a hundred to be like that, and the other 99 get tarred with the same brush.
@@Smokeyr67 You can shoot a rabbit with a .308.. why not.. There is NO overkill... only underkill, its more so the wankers with a .22 that wing bigger animals.
Jai B The ones I’m talking about are at the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, the “hunters” who couldn’t track a train, who’s version of stalking is taking potshots from 500m when they’re lucky to hit the side of a barn at 50. They’re the type that go out ostensibly hunting rabbits (that’s their story and they’re sticking to it) but end up shooting natives because thats the first thing they see. They’re also the type that’ll take a shot at a samba with their .22, so we’re talking about different sub sets of the same group who spoil it for everyone else.
@@Smokeyr67 So what you're saying is: "Most people suck!?" I'm sorry, I was taught not to push my characteristic opinions on others. So over all, this was just my opinion. I'm the Headhunter, I don't miss, nor hit what I don't intend. You are responsible for every round launched. Something not well practiced in the public.
Bryan St.Martin No, that’s not what I said, in fact quite the opposite. I hope your aim is better than your comprehension, because your way off the mark here.
I live on a farm so know how things are but if these farmers are having a deer problem i would be glad to go shoot a heap and fill my freezer and everyone i know freezers as well
@Bob Johnon you misunderstand my point completely, maybe reread what i wrote.. i mostly have feral pigs and dogs here and on a cull i shoot as many as i can but they aren't edible so just because i would save as much deer meat as i could while killing as many as i could, that makes me a weekend worrior does it?? i have friends who shoot weekends and they are good people who shoot everything the land owner asks and they would pick up a lot of the meat from deer which also helps to not feed the feral dogs and pigs which helps to not make their numbers increase.. if you have such a big problem then instead of just rubbishing hunters, you should be welcoming them to shoot and tell them to shoot every pest possible and it would save you heaps of man hours and ammo.. Maybe think about that for a while before going off half cocked..
I saw probably chital deer in September when I visited snowy mountains, and it makes me wonder why we don't do deer culls I am sure deer tastes amazing.
I am a recreational Hunter and I have just came back from a kangaroo cull. If farmers are willing to let me onto their property I am more than happy to follow lawful instructions. I can fully understand the importance of culling and pest management.
@bigboars1out more of a statement in reply to the farmer on the video who stated hunters only want a set of antlers and to fill the freezer and not cull the pest. I have plenty of hunting property 😁 of course I won't say no to more though 😉
Deer and goats manage understory, isn't that what they are trying to manage through controlled burning? I wonder if the places that underwent catastrophic burning had goats and deer or not?
Abc don't misuse the term "protection" of deer in nsw or Vic with "management" of deer. The latter is more reflective of reality. Deer hunters watching this, I really hope our hunting culture doesn't change towards normalizing the use of thermals and night vision technology, for recreational use. Just because the professional shooters use it doesnt mean we hunters should. Regarding the deer wallowing, the wild brumbies throughout the north eastern Vic and southern nsw would cause far greater damage than the deer on a per animal basis. Aside from that there is no doubt hunters should target more females to assist with population control. And open up more access to hunters as it's a low cost contribution to game management The NZ venison farming industry seems to coexist with wild animal recovery operations (culling from choppers and selling wild meat). If deer population control is needed on improved pasture/ private property or in forests along farm fringe where there are higher density numbers then id far rather see the deer meat being utilised and sold commercially than lay to waste and feed feral dogs. Also ABC deliberately mix the messaging here and give the impression the deer numbers in the high country are out of control but then use footage of deer herds from private property or improved pasture. They are two separate issues. Deer culling on or adjacent to improved pasture is more warranted than professional culling in the alpine national park fro a deer density perspective. But ABC have done a sterling job mixing the messaging here. Also whoever made this clip may want to Google what a rusa deer looks like 🤭🤭🤭 I didn't realise Australia had whitetail until now, but I guess thems the facts though right, cos ABC said so 😳
The UK deer farmers and the wild deer trade run together well to. They actually can't keep up with the trade of both. People are warming up to the meat as a healthier option. And I for one as a farmer can't get enough of it to. Now living in WA, can't get it locally.
It is illegal to stalk deer between dusk and dawn in Vic., it is illegal to spotlight deer (kind of redundant but), it is illegal go go equipt to take deer at night, it is illegal to be in possession of an under-powered firearm in known deer habitat, it is illegal to stalk deer without a GMA Game Licence: "Deer stalking" (and if you use a firearm, also illegal to not have a shooter's permit). It is illegal to cross public use land with a visible firearm, or to transport one across (ie Ski Resorts and such). It is illegal to take deer from a roadside, from inside a car, or to shoot within 60m of a road. It is illegal to shoot over a property line at deer without owner permission. Infringement of hunting regulations, firearms offences, Parks and Wildlife rules, State and National Parks regulations, can result in the seizure and confiscation of everything in your possession: car, tents, backpacks, camping equipment, firearms, hunting equipment, aerial equipment up to and including helicopter or bush plane, mountain bikes, horses, trailers, quad bikes, dinghies, jet skis, motor boats ..it could get quite expensive.
Simple economics; You're not willing to pay for it, nor is the majority. There is a significantly higher start up and maintenance costs to deer farming vs beef / sheep.
I think that some of the anti gun sentiment is causing some of these problems. Feral pest need to be controlled. Better a quick bullet than slow poisoning. Plus I wanted to say that some of the footage of culling animals by helicopter, I've seen in Australia has not been very inspiring. Some animals where badly wounded with no follow up shot leaving them to slowly die over the next hours or days and they say that they are "professionals". Even a feral animal should be dispatched as humanely as possible.
Ha, there is a reason for everything, you know? It's called FUN. They use choppers to have fun killing mercilessly, cruelly then if they need meat they will carry one to camp and use another kind of chopper to cut up the meat for a tasty meal of venison and discarding the rest to the flies. And, what they had killed while shooting mercilessly at these beautiful and delicious animals are also left on the ground, maybe for dingoes, but dingoes aren't everywhere these days because they too are in the firing line. Maybe eagles, but they too are detested by farmers. Maybe wild dogs, they too are a pest. Maybe... ah, forget it. The pests are politics who, to make the greenies happy, they changed everything, turned every crown land into national parks causing ferals to seek refuge there and multiply like Lemmings. The greenie complained about alpine grazing, resulting in banning cattle in the alpine regions. Then without grazing the forest floor became a quagmire of wood and cinders for bushfires. Now the hypocrites realise that they made a mistake banning them and killing a beef industry that has been going for more than 100 years. And the difference today is...? Well, that we are arguing about ferals and other pests that have replaced alpine grazing, did we achieve anything? Now, now, just watch the poison boys starting to f*** up everything, meaning that poisoned ferals die a cruel death and a hunter/shooter find one and shoots it, take it home and eat the poisoned meat. It's happened with poisoned meat of rabbits shot in areas where they had been affected by the Calicivirus which is contagious and Myxoma/Poxoma virus. Hence causing a serious problem than a solution altogether. That's why I and my uncle got sick some years ago after eating a rabbit that was infected with the disease. We failed to notice that infected rabbits have puffed and watery eyes. So, the poisoning of ferals is not, whatsoever, the answer to culling. Leave them alone and let shooters enter farmland to kill an edible 'feral' to take home fresh and feed their families.
Some suggestions; -Legalise CAT C & D for pest control for all hunters. -legalise suppressors -bring back bounties and the fur trade -organise large group deer culls -encourage retailers to work with hunters -farmers need to open to hunters if they’re worried about pests
Two words pet food if there’s that much of saturation and or export it I know those things are costly solutions but it would help plus it would bring income revenue and create more jobs for Australians
It’s weird seeing a deer in Australia when you had no idea we had them. Going through Pullenvale in Brisbane on the bus to school was a real head spin.
Did.... did you actually watch the video? Try skipping to 4:20 where the farmers say that they are asking hunters to shoot them and the hunters say no.
@@magellanicraincloud some farmers... that’s your problem cause it is such a minority of farmers asking, which leads to deer population staying the same in these areas because the few that weren’t culled will continue to breed and after a few years your back to square one state wide
It's a shame that Australia made the same mistake of other nations and wiped out it's own native apex predator, and therefore removing one natural balance that may have curbed the spread of deer and other invasive species.
Yeah, by now we have finally learnt how stupid that idea is. We have tried in the past to introduce species to control another species. It always backfires horrendously. Our species have zero adaptations to deal with such predators. They would become a serious invasive pest on their own. Keep your mountain lions. We don't need more problems. We also have our own sport hunters. Australia is huge, and many areas have extremely low populations. Sport hunting just cannot take out enough. The government has even employed shooters to help in reserves, but it's never enough.
if farmers let hunters onto their properties then they wouldent have such a problem and look at all the revenue made by hunters going after deer in small towns so having them as game animals makes sence not to mention the health benifits and emotional well been,pigs,horses,foxes and dogs are a bigger problem than deer.
It'd be a great way for farmers to make some extra income too. They could set up some facilities for hunters to stay & maybe even guide them & do it all for a daily rate. The deer are a problem on so many properties yet so few farmers will even allow hunters to set foot on their land which really sucks when you live in a state like Queensland that only allows hunting on private property.
Ive been hunting on my cousins property for the last 30 years and it’s only within the last 5 months I discovered deer on his property. Pilliga scrub area
Hilldog TV I can't believe it either mate if the powers that be opened up more areas to hunting more animals could be harvested and if every state had the same regs it would help a lot.
I've seen guys who call themselves hunters that I wouldn't trust to operate a pointy stick let alone shoot on a property where I owned anything I didn't want ruined. It's the few who ruin it for the many.
It would be nice to get a balanced view of the situation. The view being presented is not a consensus. There is another pro deer point of view and it is barely represented at all except in the comments. Many families benefit from the hunting harvest every year. How many? I don’t know, the benefits are not really mentioned here.
to the deer farmer I say, "It's time for you to find something else to raise. Removing and controlling a destructive and invasive pest, while at the same time providing an abundant source of lean, clean protein is clearly more important than supporting a small niche industry. Especially when the niche industry in question is partly responsible for the problem that is decimating the country's/continent's natural environment." #oneplanetforall
Deer numbers are too high in many countries where they are native due to the hunting lobby. Protecting them in Australia where they are not native doesn't make sense.
After reading and watching several stories of ferals in Australia, no one there should have a problem getting meat. I can't for the life of me understand how come these deer are not all over East Texas. It's crazy how the fallow deer took over this country. Wishing I was there to cull some. Goats and camels too I guess.
There is plenty of hunting organisations like ADA, SSAA, etc who could solve these problems at properties in a single weekend! A well organised and efficient cull could be done at almost no expense to the farmers (maybe put on a barbecue for lunch!). As a hunter I travel hundreds of km each way sometimes just to shoot a single animal. I'm sure hunters will be stoked to knock a few over, closer to home and help someone out. This whole issue is going to need to be addressed at both state and federal level now some of these areas have been fire effected and crops are extremely limited.
Having done fearl pest control before and talking to other shooters about it, a LOT of hunters can't make the step beyond the 'majesty' or 'nobility' of a stalk and shoot 1 on 1. When you talk to them about "kill them all" they often become enraged at my "bloodthirsty" and "wasteful " attitude. This is why we have millions of pigs, goats, deer, camels, even horses destroying the countryside while we are left wondering who will fix it for us. Hard hoofed animals don't belong here. Domestic sheep and cattle are bad enough. Ask the Kiwis how happy they are with the devestation of their mountain forests by introduced deer.
Good way to annoy hunters ABC most people in Australia don’t even no there are deer in Australia. Or give a crap about them . But the hunting population do . If you want to no about a animal ask the people that hunt them . We spend a huge amount of time studying them to become successful.
Feral Cats, Feral Bunnies, Feral Deers what else do we have for dinner today? 😂
Rabbits and pigs are out to control in Australia too
Humans
Don't forget water buffaloes and camels
Wild boar
Don't you guys also have an issue with foxes
Couldnt find a picture of a Rusa so just put up a whitetail
Wow I was knew enough to notice too that's mad
Their stupid bro , everything is a problem in Australia
Why not sell feral meat to China and Japan?
Looks like they found your comment and realized the mistake. They have blurred out the image now.
B & J Jukes yes immediately after my comment they thanked me for pointing out the discrepancy and they added a correction to the header text. Props to them for admitting to their mistake 👍🏼
CORRECTIONS: 1) In the group of pictures at 0:43 the deer listed as a rusa deer is actually a white-tailed deer, which does not exist in the wild in Australia. 2) It is important to note that deer are also not native (0:03) to the submerged continent of Zealandia (which includes New Zealand). Thanks to the users who pointed these issues out in the comments.
No deer are native to New Zealand
None are native to Australia either.
@@abcaustralia Maybe the comments section can fact check QUANDA, everyone knows it needs it.
Don’t worry, I’ll be eradicating some come end April!! 😎😎
I was about to comment on that
Western Australia, where you can only shoot on private property with the permission of a farmer. So essentially that translates to absolutely zero control of feral animals. They breed out of control on every other bit of state land. Most farms won't let anyone shoot on them.
Just became a feral hunter last year in WA. So hard to find properties to hunt on.
@@michaelcarnasciali1311 Be careful, I've done 3k worth of electrical work spread across two different farmers, so I can shoot on their properties, they think that means you can shoot twice and that's even. Don't even bother, everyone I've approached in WA about shooting on their farm loves that they have one thing over city people. Be careful doing work for people to shoot I'm about then tenth person I know of who has been screwed the same way.
Same as qld
I don’t understand your point. Of course you can only shoot on private land with the owners permission. Otherwise it’s called poaching. And it’s illegal. Like ILLEGAL across every inch of the planet; not just WA.
@@StarSwarm. The point might be that you can't shoot on any crown land in WA. NSW and Victoria allow shooting of feral animals in their state forests.
Evrything is feral in Australia! Even the locals 🤣🤣🤣
Remove locals, problem solved 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha you nailed it
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Well technically you are absolutely right.
Bit racist you are on a warning.
I don’t understand why Australia doesn’t give up the beef industry and just use the feral deer, hog, goat and camels as their sources of meat to eat and sell.
@Heavy Vehicle Lifestyle: Cows, pigs and chickens are also disease carriers so I’m not sure what the difference would be.
@I see it like this I feel like: Now I don’t agree with people killing the native wildlife for this purpose. I’m specifically talking about the feral animals that destroy the local environment and make life even hard on the native animals.
I prefer wild over raised any day of the week
Yes, at least the wild animals get to have a “normal, natural” life, as opposed to how most animals are raised for meat.
Yeah yeah! They have a rabbit problem too. Or used to. Millions of them! Why don’t they eat them?
Tasmania might have deer in the freezer, but I know the rest of Australia is in search of delicious, hormone and pesticide free protein. I hunt deer in NSW and whenever I harvest an animal I have friends and family ALWAYS asking if I have any spare. Its absolutely some of the most healthy meat around and would be a total waste of an amazing resource, and have some pretty horrible flow on effects if they were to start poisoning in the bush. If you want to discuss the destruction in the Snowy Mountains where is the conversation about the brumbies?
You are 100% spot on mate but if you give it to friends and family for free the government isn’t getting there slice of the pie old mate , it’s all about $$$$$ just like everything else is , it’s just sad
Spot on Matt. The best healthiest meat out.
I totally agree with you Matt Walsh.
Marc Sacco it’s government that do the damage. Like you say government is not getting biggest slice of the cake. They don’t want ppl to be self sufficient because their slice is getting smaller. It’s seems to becoming a world wide problem. Any good protein seems to be come a feral animal that needs to be eradicated. Then their so called climate crisis, also think that’s bs but if they think it’s not why waist those good protein and take pressure of farming!!
Correct. Brumbies are a "no go" for the ABC and National Parks and their larger hooves and body weight do a lot of damage to the Alpine Country.
It is sad to see the farmers struggling this way. And I comprehend the hunters not wanting to shoot and waste the venison.
In Saskatchewan (Canada) hunters can get extra tags (part of the licencing/tracking hunting) to take extra deer and donate the venison to local food banks. This reduces waste and provides much benefit to food banks
we don’t have enough hunters because only farmers have guns and they make it hard for everyone else
I swear farmers will winge about anything and everything. To them what isn't feral in Australia
When I lived in Namibia, we had an excellent system for culling, when a permit was granted to the landowner, a group of professional hunters who would shoot at night with lamps to maximise head shots. Refrigerated vehicles are on site with a portable processing tent with rails, to eviscerate, and a meat inspector to do the primary inspection, and the carcase is numbered with the "pluck" and delivered to the abattoir in Windhoek within a prescribed time. The antelope are then skinned, and undergo a final inspection by the on site meat inspector, then cut and packed for export to Europe, damaged carcases are trimmed and used for local consumption only.
What about the hides?
That's excellent very forward thinking compared to many countries
All a situation of a profitable market and production. And with invasive species, this break-even point is often a population still well within pest levels. So it may improve feed a bit, unless the key population reduction is achieved it's a failure. Conversely where the returns are sufficient commercial hunters can devastate pest populations in accessible locations.
I travel 15hrs to do a weeks worth of hunting on family property. If they have problems there are ways to help. Helping farmers and putting lots of great meat in freezers is a blessing.
Bob Brown is antigun, anti hunting & anything hunting related including anti suppressors, how is there any balanced debate when the ABC shows his face? You cannot cull any animal unless you know how to hunt?
Bob Brown is an idiot and has no solutions and offers nothing but objections !!
Sounds like an American demoncrat
Because that's how balance works. 🙄 Pretending people like that don't exist doesn't help anything.
@@robertmintz63 Worse cos we had them like this waaaaay before you, AU was woke in 1988.
Nothing will change . Only more rules and regulations .
Do you know Lucy.
He also goes by the name Richardson
I find him ammusing.
No freedoms these days
SO “so called hunters”
We Don’t get payed to cull deer!
We pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege to hunt deer,
Also we’re not rolling around in the moonlight with night vision and suppressors!
It doesn’t matter how you go about it farmers complain about all sorts of feral animals but won’t let hunters on their property to shoot them!
I’ve had access to a property for going on 20 years from hunting starlings to deer but when the old man passed away the daughter turned the working farm into a “land for wildlife property”
NO MORE HUNTING,
Two years later I get a phone call asking me to come and shoot some foxes and deer, I told her maybe you should get a
“Professional shooter”
She replied there to expensive.
Well seeing two years ago you called me out of the blue and pretty much advised me not to call and ask for permission to hunt on your property anymore I think my answer will be NO, find someone else that your farther trusted and respected for 20 years. Or pay a pro shooter!
Hypocrites!
best to just let the pest control guys do the job and not the hunters.. I started of as a hunter then pest control, I see were the farmers are coming from. I don't do it anymore but still, plenty of pest control guys around and farmers can clam it on there farm tax, were as hunters you can't.
Ian Farr-Wharton you’re comment doesn’t make any sense,
So you think it’s better for a property owner to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for professional shooter to come out and shoot deer foxes pigs dogs ect, when a hunter will come and hunt for free and also Utilise the game meat, and as a tradesman they also love me doing some odd job they just can’t tackle!
Also I’m Sure the farmer would rather spend his or her money on something else thats more tangible instead of wasting money on a problem that they never created in the first place.
Ian Farr-Wharton ! It appears that you are assuming that the farmer must pay for a hunter to hunt , that would be true for professional hunters ie- hired gun- but from the comments i have read, seams like the average Joe can not find a place to hunt where they don’t want him to pay, instead of charging the hunter , just have him donate 1/4 to the farmer! The other thing is you have got to form a co-op , Join together & kick out the greenies , get bills enacted that cancel out the greenies bills , THAT is what they do
@ninjakawa1000 that's a stupid comment.. And ignorant too
@@ianfarr-wharton1000 you already said that copy n paste keyboard hero
Why isn't delicious deer in the meat aisles in the supermarkets.
Love eating smoked deer.
Exactly.
It's the bambi complex. A lot of the general population doesn't like the idea of eating deer because all they think of is the Disney movie
Chris Robinson Hahahahaha😂
Deer jerky is killer as well.
@@chrisrobinson2563 Miss Piggy doesn't seem to slow the sale of Bacon...
in the 1980's I can remember that we had a line in the woods of Northeastern Pennsylvania, the height that a deer could reach to eat. Then the PA game commission decided to reduce the herd. We went from one deer a year to one buck and some people could get 3 doe tags. We reduced the herd and the undergrowth started to come back and now there are things that I did not see before, like the wild blueberry bushes in places I have been all my life. Why did I not see them before, the deer were eating them. Then they started trapping black bears and expanding the range in PA along with coyotes moving in and the population still took a decade. the interesting thing, black bears do kill off quite a few deer in a year.
That's an awesome tidbit. Here in southern Wisconsin the deer just demolish the understory of forests. But in the last 4 years a couple bears, wolves, and even a couple mountain lions have showed up. Plenty of deer to go around.
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3 possible things the government could do. (1) Allow hunters to use sound moderators/suppressors (2) Open up more public land similar to the NSW state forest system, including some areas of national parks not used by the public, using GPS maps for exclusion zones etc. (3) Allow hunters to sell game meat to local abattoirs. A few possible things that hunters could do (1) Stop passing up does/hinds for bucks/stags (2) Be responsible while out in the bush and take your rubbish with you (3) Stop hunting Illegally
here here You Nailed it
Thats the problem though, as a whole, people arent responsible, they leave rubbish and they will hunt illegally, you can put your house on it. That why its in the situation its in.
@@damo.77 they ain't genuine hunters or outdoor enthusiasts then and should be reported
@@HillDogTV yes your 100% correct but unfortunately thats what happens.
@@damo.77 i know :(
I’m surprised to hear that they are in Tasmania! Even more surprised to hear that they are not even listed as a pest in Tasmania!
Mlore surprisingly, you cannot take deer with a bow in tassie. Its too bloody.
The reason why they aren’t listed as a pest and instead as a game species is to manage them as a resource rather than a pest to manage.
@@shooterdownunder Herein lies the problem. The gap in the top 6" of legislators, and their adoring recreational hunting support base.
One of the Deers photos
is incorrect let’s see how many people pick up on this we don’t have white tail in Australia Wild
BRETT PRETTY yep that funny lookin Russ!
BRETT PRETTY Rusa stupid auto correct. That may be the problem with the abc
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
"dee-ah" I love that accent.
Seems to me that this is an excellent food source and all those involved should work together to maximize the benefit of controlling feral deer. Humans make everything so effing difficult.
If killing for control, the time spent butchering 20 deer when you could be shooting 20 more is time wasted
Why do I get the feeling this is a warm up for 1080 use on herbivores one the near future? I bet they never discuss how that went in NZ
It's not a warm up, it's already happening
Slow Diver where are you?
Hope not as they have been using 1080 here for years now and though pests might be suppressed in some areas with it,they are still here , with the live capture and deer farms the numbers have been more manageable and there is reasonable money in the velvet and meat though as with any other farm product you have your good and bad years. There would need to be management programs out side those areas. In NZ here wallabies were introduced and they to are now becoming a problem yet a lot of areas have been 1080 drops ,there needs to be a lot of thinking outside the square with a lot of these animals, why are they increasing in numbers , are they of value as a farmed commodity .
Lots of dead native species that ate the bait...
Here in NSW i find it very hard/impossible to get any access to hunt on farming properties.
From what I understand is that farmers don’t allow hunting on there properties because of all the idiots.
Large farms only want more money or cows, they need managed hunts with a guide to take advantage of the bounty.
They let you on if you offer to pay. I get on many private properties buy offering farmers a fee to hunt and butchery as many animals as they want in their freezer. After all, it's their land and their right to make money from it. Small price to pay
I am from South Africa, make biltong (jerkey) out of them, a good anytime snack.
Ah huh open up the land to hunters, problem solved.
“Problem solved” not even close.
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Did you watch the video? Pest animal control is different.
Hell when I worked in a store almost 2/3 of are beef was marked product of Australia, so. Start sending us your venison. Jerky and Summer sausge is real popular. Here in America.
Do as the Kiwis have done in the last 20 years Plus venison pies with a Merlot sauce.. create a market for them..
Absolutely. Love venison. My sister in Rotorua has 2 large freezers - one solely for venison...
New zealand more like backwards land
I’m an old deer culler from the 1960 in NZ when deer were plentiful. In later years I went on to farm them in a small way. They were said to be a vector animal or carrier of bovine TB and that required deer to be TB tested before slaughter at the meat works. The biggest problem with deer farming was having a meat works reasonably local to kill and process deer carcasses. They were good income but spasmodic due to killing facility closures.
I find it interesting that leather goods weren't really mentioned in this segment.
Huge deer, antlers and all, ran in front of my car at around 7pm at night in suburban Brisbane.. I slammed my brakes and we were both stunned, it by the headlights and I by the sight of a deer 🦌..
Honestly it was mesmerising. Never heard of wild deer, especially here, I was in complete shock.
BCC has put out traps to try and catch them around Pullenvale but 'sensitive' locals keep destroying them so the bambis don't get offended. Meanwhile we're just waiting for a fatal car crash involving a 300 pound hamburger. Been plenty of written off cars but bambi means more to locals then peoples lives I guess.
They're a fairly common sight in many parts of rural Victoria. Their numbers are growing in QLD, and you will likely see more in the coming years. They usually do not run from approaching cars at night, and will stand still & stare in the middle of the road. The Americans have the term "deer in the headlights". Crashing into one, especially at 100kmh, can be very serious.
Where I live in the U.S.A. they always cause many accidents. They are very tasty if you ever get a chance to try it.
I saw "wild deer" and as an American I was like, "WTF? As opposed to what, domesticated deer?" Then you talk about venison farms, and my reaction is just, "Huh... Well I'll be damned."
I'm not sure how I feel about venison farming. I think it's far more humane to hunt mature deer that have lived a long, free life without fences, eat a natural diet, breed to their heart's content, and be given a clean, near-instant death. Definitely beats being mauled and eaten alive by mountain lions (which we have here), as well as being far better than being fenced in all their life, probably not getting to breed, and then slaughtered in their prime.
Seems like your hunters are slacking off.
I agree with you completely, hunting is a thousand times more humane than farming. Sadly our hunters are crippled by the government.
@@TheCourtJester1956 then fight back you dam British boy lovers
@@tobyjenny7622
LOL Toby, WTF? Boy lovers? Ha ha ha.🤣
Ok let me explain most brritsh males I've met act that way and we faught 2 separate wars for our freodm and one of those was the right to keep a gun or guns as far as the hunting goes hear we have the right to hunt to feed our family and with what you said y'alls letting the anties and the environatzes run the whole show as far as the hunting laws go besides we don't shoot to sell hear and I've never left a deer or anyother game to rot unless i have no other choice if we as hunters don't stand up and fight for our rights we will louse them and it won't matter where you are from the USA or Australia .
@@tobyjenny7622 ...Give it time...we'll have the same BS going on here (look at Cali and the ban on furs/fur harvesting).
Most people give no shits about guns or hunting...sustaining their lives is as easy as going to the grocery store...they do not care what effects others(especially when it involves something they don't care about). Ban golf?...I don't golf, so I don't care...ban away!!!
My Dad used to carry his shotgun to school...elementary school!!!...during hunting season. He'd just lean it up in the corner of the classroom, with the other kid's guns.
By the time I got to high school (early 90's)...as you drove off, after school, if you had on any camo (during hunting season), you would get pulled over and your car searched...and busted if you had any hunting weapon. In my 30 years of hunting/shooting...nothing has been made easier. They continue to slowly whittle away at our freedoms. They will also continue to try to make things more and more of a pain in the ass.
If your a farmer and have a deer problem, let me know. I can help you solve your deer problems.
Peter Murphy they will just keep crying about their livelihoods being destroyed and blame hunters buddy!
I feel like if you’re just hunting for meat, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to take some friends so they can also fill up their fridges aswell. It will also help cull a lot of the pests
Sambar are not easy to stalk, just numerous. Weekend hunters fill their pack and go home, maybe their party shoot 4-5 deer. To get a Game Licence you have to be an ethical hunter, you can't shoot deer at night, you can't across somebody's land without permission, you can't transport firearms through protected wilderness in tourist areas like ski resorts (basically a whole mountain). There's no bag limit in Victoria for taking Sambar, hunting season is almost year round but hardly anyone has an inclination to slaughter every game species animal they see in a weekend at hard to reach deer habitat that isn't a Sanctuary, a protected forest, a tourist destination, a grazing land or simply sensitive and prohibited due to a native wildlife habitat. Farmers simply can't devote their entire existance to destroying every deer they see on the farm property, its exhaustive and ruinous. When someone asks if they can shoot on a farmer's property, they don't immediately reduce an appreciable swathe of the deer population eating into the farmer's livestock carrying capacity. So what's the point? The farmer wants guaranteed, immediate relief. He waits for the day govenment approves a state-contracted local sharpshooter cull fiesta. Its worth big money to the one's in the know, the people out where the money is spent like himself and a coupla bros, so the whole drag can be put to an end overnight.
Australia has more wild sambar than the countries they were introduced from put together: Sambar deer are endangered in their native habitat but common in South Eastern Australia.
@@santyclause8034 ... Simply making hunting easily accessible to the Australian public would fix the problem with deer and they could charge a considerable amount per hunting license maybe double for children etc.
Scabies mite is rampant in the Yarra Ranges, I've seen a dead mangy Sambar stag left by the roadside, mangy Foxes trotting through tall grass and undergrowth, and mangy Common Wombat all in the last week just from the roadside. Occasionally young rabbits, Eastern Grey Kangaroos, Rufous wallabies, another I haven't identified is of dark grey with a pronounced very long tail ending in a white tip, and a Lyrebird. From the roadside. I haven't driven more than 2-3 hours out of Melbourne. Problem is nearly all the wombats that I see from the roadside have it. From what I have been able to find out about this mite the Common Wombat doesn't live very long before a secondary infection kills it, because of fur loss from the mange. Mortality is very, very high, like 98% maybe, the mite has been introduced and almost nothing is stopping its rampant spread throughout our bushland. The mite pest harbors in Wombat burrows and red foxes 'borrow' the shelter offered by a wombat burrow. Deer spread the mite abroad outside, foxes bring it inside into the den below ground. Infected wombats have a dusty, almost hairless appearance in the headlights, have almost no adapted resistance, and cold nights in the Yarra Ranges can drop below freezing any time of year. It breaks my heart.
I lived in Cockatoo a few years ago and was calling in a lot of mangy wombats to a wildlife rescue mob who was treating them. They had some setup that doused them with a mange treatment when they entered their burrow.
Er Hello New Zealand here.
It's called helicopters and semiautomatic shotguns with buck shot. It's in the name......BUCK shot.
But seriously...don't waste these animals, why these farmers are not exploiting the "organic" side of these animals and treat them as a stock unit instead of a pest is beyond me.
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Because the biggest pests on Australian land are the farmers themselves. They don't know how to manage the land and cause local draughts due to there methods
Don’t post shit on behalf of nz. Shooting deer from a helicopter with a shot gun is the stupidities thing I’ve heard all year. Are u trying to make us all look dumb
Feed the meat to the poor and needy, out of charity, include a tax cut benefit for those hunting and donating and you're off to the races, they have a reason to hunt, sense of purpose and it helps those in need. The thing is it's very rare for a hunter to kill without a reason, an empty fridge, a pallet or pest control, these reasons are justifiable in the eyes of a hunter to take the life of another being as it serves a purpose and if there is an absence of that; why would they? So the solution is create a purpose and incentives it.
wow great idea I have always shared my kills with people, feels real good.
@@Kangawallafox Hunters already know how to process meat couldnt they as individuals band together and decide how the meat is to be distributed to the needy? The government could maybe have them test the meat before distribution somewhere
@@Kangawallafox Of course they should be paid I was just addressing the processing issue you brought up. I know how to process meat and have only been hunting for 9 months so I am sure guys that have been doing this for years can do it
@@Kangawallafox Oh... They honestly overcomplicate things sometimes but rather safe than sorry I guess
Mary Valley Game Hunters is where it’s at, as previously interviewed on ABC, best feral pest culling around. Nothing goes to waste. Nothing left to rot. All removed and used for many purposes. We also travel all over Australia.
That gympie? I hunt the dairy's out at goomboorian using thermal optics, never heard of mary valley game hunters.
Where do i sign up?
Jai B sure is jai. Mostly in the imbil Kenilworth area.
We currently are at a team of 6 at the moment. And at this stage not looking for any others cull shooters. But leave me your details for future reference.
Animal management is almost always a real curse. One thing officials and activists know nothing about is wildlife.
As a hunter I understand that hunters shouldn’t just go hunting to fill the freezer or shoot a trophy stag.The emphasis on shooting a representative trophy stag seems to be of the utmost importance to many hunters in Australia today.We have a responsibility to manage game and feral animals on both public and private land in order help control animal numbers and reduce the impact of these animals on the environment.Private land owners should be able to call on shooting/hunting organisations or individual hunters to help manage the impact of both game and feral animals on their land.Locking gates to public land and farmers not allowing legitimate hunters on their properties only adds to the problem in the long term.
Couldn't agree more Rob
Rod George- thanks Rod. I feel sorry about the current situation and the behaviour of some people.With a bit of trust,respect and an open mind I believe that the outcome would be a positive one.Farmers shouldn’t have to find themselves culling nuisance animals around the clock.Something needs to change or else 1080 will be dropped from the sky like in New Zealand in recent years. There are plenty of safe,ethical hunters/shooters that are members of major hunting/shooting organisations within Australia that would be very keen to help out.Cheers,Rob.
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Well said rob
The farmers are full of crap...i know heaps of people in tasmania and they cannot get access to shoot anywhere...cant complain about deer numbers when shooters cant get access to properties to shoot..
Darrin Haworth correct same here in the mainland 20 years ago I lost count of properties we weren’t allowed on and now there crying about pigs etc destroying there land !
They can all suffer now
@@sharons9367 I think you will find in a lot of cases it's the minority of hunters ruining for others.
I lost all of my blocks due to other hunters that thought it was ok
To help themself to farm machinery when they got stuck.
Help themselves to diesel
Mistaking alpacas for deer and not owning up to it
Not closing gates , leaving rubbish lying the around the place ( booze cans bottles
Shooting without considering the stock in the background etc etc
And then the poaching that goes on from these guys telling there mates about the block.
Yes I was pissed off about not being able to hunt these blocks anymore but hey I can't blame the farmers
Farmers that have a deer problem should contact the ADA (Australian Deer Association), I'm sure they'll be glad to help. The ADA does a great job in private land in SA.
Just don’t start again throwing poison from the air to try controlling them this way. Maybe those funds should instead go to hunters, when delivering venison to retailers. Moreover, let us not forget how badly wildlife was devastated in recent bush-fires!!!
Bring back bounties like the foxes. $50 a dead would do.
That 1080 poison should be forever outlawed!!!
Don't worry, it'll never happen here.
I drive the Alpine highway to Hotham several time a year and mostly at night to avoid traffic. Deer numbers are getting bloody hectic in recent years, especially the closer you get and right in the centre of harrietville.
They do taste terrific though!
Deer stake with a pinch of salt and freshly ground black peppa, sauce Bordelaise (made from red wine) and a bottle of excellent Barossa Valley Shiraz...............heavenly!
Got addicted to this program
“So called hunters” as reported by “so called journalists”. Just like old Browny the so called environmentalist. Haha
The problem is that there are “so called hunters” out there. You know the type, they fill their pockets with .308 to hunt a rabbit, can’t tell the difference between Bambi or Skippy and have no idea how to stalk, no patience and no idea how to shoot. It only takes 1 in a hundred to be like that, and the other 99 get tarred with the same brush.
@@Smokeyr67 You can shoot a rabbit with a .308.. why not..
There is NO overkill... only underkill, its more so the wankers with a .22 that wing bigger animals.
Jai B The ones I’m talking about are at the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, the “hunters” who couldn’t track a train, who’s version of stalking is taking potshots from 500m when they’re lucky to hit the side of a barn at 50. They’re the type that go out ostensibly hunting rabbits (that’s their story and they’re sticking to it) but end up shooting natives because thats the first thing they see. They’re also the type that’ll take a shot at a samba with their .22, so we’re talking about different sub sets of the same group who spoil it for everyone else.
@@Smokeyr67 So what you're saying is: "Most people suck!?" I'm sorry, I was taught not to push my characteristic opinions on others. So over all, this was just my opinion. I'm the Headhunter, I don't miss, nor hit what I don't intend. You are responsible for every round launched. Something not well practiced in the public.
Bryan St.Martin No, that’s not what I said, in fact quite the opposite. I hope your aim is better than your comprehension, because your way off the mark here.
How did I end up down this feral animals in Aussie rabbithole??? How!?
I live on a farm so know how things are but if these farmers are having a deer problem i would be glad to go shoot a heap and fill my freezer and everyone i know freezers as well
@Bob Johnon you misunderstand my point completely, maybe reread what i wrote.. i mostly have feral pigs and dogs here and on a cull i shoot as many as i can but they aren't edible so just because i would save as much deer meat as i could while killing as many as i could, that makes me a weekend worrior does it?? i have friends who shoot weekends and they are good people who shoot everything the land owner asks and they would pick up a lot of the meat from deer which also helps to not feed the feral dogs and pigs which helps to not make their numbers increase.. if you have such a big problem then instead of just rubbishing hunters, you should be welcoming them to shoot and tell them to shoot every pest possible and it would save you heaps of man hours and ammo.. Maybe think about that for a while before going off half cocked..
I saw probably chital deer in September when I visited snowy mountains, and it makes me wonder why we don't do deer culls I am sure deer tastes amazing.
I am a recreational Hunter and I have just came back from a kangaroo cull. If farmers are willing to let me onto their property I am more than happy to follow lawful instructions. I can fully understand the importance of culling and pest management.
@bigboars1out more of a statement in reply to the farmer on the video who stated hunters only want a set of antlers and to fill the freezer and not cull the pest.
I have plenty of hunting property 😁 of course I won't say no to more though 😉
Deer and goats manage understory, isn't that what they are trying to manage through controlled burning? I wonder if the places that underwent catastrophic burning had goats and deer or not?
Saucy Wench yes they do. Feral deer and goats are in all state forests
Abc don't misuse the term "protection" of deer in nsw or Vic with "management" of deer. The latter is more reflective of reality.
Deer hunters watching this, I really hope our hunting culture doesn't change towards normalizing the use of thermals and night vision technology, for recreational use.
Just because the professional shooters use it doesnt mean we hunters should.
Regarding the deer wallowing, the wild brumbies throughout the north eastern Vic and southern nsw would cause far greater damage than the deer on a per animal basis. Aside from that there is no doubt hunters should target more females to assist with population control. And open up more access to hunters as it's a low cost contribution to game management
The NZ venison farming industry seems to coexist with wild animal recovery operations (culling from choppers and selling wild meat). If deer population control is needed on improved pasture/ private property or in forests along farm fringe where there are higher density numbers then id far rather see the deer meat being utilised and sold commercially than lay to waste and feed feral dogs.
Also ABC deliberately mix the messaging here and give the impression the deer numbers in the high country are out of control but then use footage of deer herds from private property or improved pasture. They are two separate issues. Deer culling on or adjacent to improved pasture is more warranted than professional culling in the alpine national park fro a deer density perspective. But ABC have done a sterling job mixing the messaging here. Also whoever made this clip may want to Google what a rusa deer looks like 🤭🤭🤭 I didn't realise Australia had whitetail until now, but I guess thems the facts though right, cos ABC said so 😳
The UK deer farmers and the wild deer trade run together well to. They actually can't keep up with the trade of both. People are warming up to the meat as a healthier option. And I for one as a farmer can't get enough of it to. Now living in WA, can't get it locally.
It is illegal to stalk deer between dusk and dawn in Vic., it is illegal to spotlight deer (kind of redundant but), it is illegal go go equipt to take deer at night, it is illegal to be in possession of an under-powered firearm in known deer habitat, it is illegal to stalk deer without a GMA Game Licence: "Deer stalking" (and if you use a firearm, also illegal to not have a shooter's permit). It is illegal to cross public use land with a visible firearm, or to transport one across (ie Ski Resorts and such). It is illegal to take deer from a roadside, from inside a car, or to shoot within 60m of a road. It is illegal to shoot over a property line at deer without owner permission.
Infringement of hunting regulations, firearms offences, Parks and Wildlife rules, State and National Parks regulations, can result in the seizure and confiscation of everything in your possession: car, tents, backpacks, camping equipment, firearms, hunting equipment, aerial equipment up to and including helicopter or bush plane, mountain bikes, horses, trailers, quad bikes, dinghies, jet skis, motor boats ..it could get quite expensive.
You should be stocking up your freezers on venison meat.
They arnt allowed guns
Why aren’t we seeing it on our supermarket shelves?
Simple economics; You're not willing to pay for it, nor is the majority. There is a significantly higher start up and maintenance costs to deer farming vs beef / sheep.
Nobody wants it.
Happy to come from Canada and help with the cull !
I think that some of the anti gun sentiment is causing some of
these problems. Feral pest need to be controlled. Better a quick bullet than slow poisoning. Plus I wanted to say that some of the footage of culling animals by helicopter, I've seen in Australia has not been very inspiring. Some animals where badly wounded
with no follow up shot leaving them to slowly die over the next hours or days and they say that they are "professionals". Even a feral animal should be dispatched as humanely as possible.
Ha, there is a reason for everything, you know? It's called FUN. They use choppers to have fun killing mercilessly, cruelly then if they need meat they will carry one to camp and use another kind of chopper to cut up the meat for a tasty meal of venison and discarding the rest to the flies. And, what they had killed while shooting mercilessly at these beautiful and delicious animals are also left on the ground, maybe for dingoes, but dingoes aren't everywhere these days because they too are in the firing line. Maybe eagles, but they too are detested by farmers. Maybe wild dogs, they too are a pest. Maybe... ah, forget it. The pests are politics who, to make the greenies happy, they changed everything, turned every crown land into national parks causing ferals to seek refuge there and multiply like Lemmings. The greenie complained about alpine grazing, resulting in banning cattle in the alpine regions. Then without grazing the forest floor became a quagmire of wood and cinders for bushfires. Now the hypocrites realise that they made a mistake banning them and killing a beef industry that has been going for more than 100 years. And the difference today is...? Well, that we are arguing about ferals and other pests that have replaced alpine grazing, did we achieve anything? Now, now, just watch the poison boys starting to f*** up everything, meaning that poisoned ferals die a cruel death and a hunter/shooter find one and shoots it, take it home and eat the poisoned meat. It's happened with poisoned meat of rabbits shot in areas where they had been affected by the Calicivirus which is contagious and Myxoma/Poxoma virus. Hence causing a serious problem than a solution altogether. That's why I and my uncle got sick some years ago after eating a rabbit that was infected with the disease. We failed to notice that infected rabbits have puffed and watery eyes. So, the poisoning of ferals is not, whatsoever, the answer to culling. Leave them alone and let shooters enter farmland to kill an edible 'feral' to take home fresh and feed their families.
It's literally the unprofessional gun-stupid causing this, because they prevent the professionals from being able to get the job done.
Some suggestions;
-Legalise CAT C & D for pest control for all hunters.
-legalise suppressors
-bring back bounties and the fur trade
-organise large group deer culls
-encourage retailers to work with hunters
-farmers need to open to hunters if they’re worried about pests
Two words pet food if there’s that much of saturation and or export it I know those things are costly solutions but it would help plus it would bring income revenue and create more jobs for Australians
The South Africans in Australia must help out and make the best biltong that side of the continent.
I never imagined snow in Australia.
There's more snow cover in Australia than in Switzerland.
It’s fake
Good program thank you
Can't beat good old dry cured smoked deer, Mmm! Mmm!
you guys have wild deer. wild goats, wild pigs, big rabbit population. AUS sounds like a nice place for a hunter.
It’s weird seeing a deer in Australia when you had no idea we had them. Going through Pullenvale in Brisbane on the bus to school was a real head spin.
Do you or mates of yours have land in pullenvale?
ABC take note of the suppressor being used in this clip. Not as quiet as people believe hey.
This is hilarious, forget about rabbits and foxes... if you have a problem with deer ask for hunters and stop sooking
Did.... did you actually watch the video? Try skipping to 4:20 where the farmers say that they are asking hunters to shoot them and the hunters say no.
@@magellanicraincloud some farmers... that’s your problem cause it is such a minority of farmers asking, which leads to deer population staying the same in these areas because the few that weren’t culled will continue to breed and after a few years your back to square one state wide
Maybe if hunters would stop lobbying to protect them as a resource.
problem is a good propionate not all hunters aren't the best guests.
Everything is feral in Australia.
Frogs, cats, horses and now deers.
Camels, goat's, horses or brumbys,dogs,cats,foxes,deer,cane toads
You'll find ferals in the suburbs as well.
It's a shame that Australia made the same mistake of other nations and wiped out it's own native apex predator, and therefore removing one natural balance that may have curbed the spread of deer and other invasive species.
rusa deer photo is a white tail from USA
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
3:22 Im sure an ar-15 with 30rnd mags would be quite useful right about now
That guns banned in aus
We need more hunter!! There are unlimited trophies!!
maybe Australia needs lions,wolves and tigers?!?
Our snakes & spiders are scary enough as it is, plus it's nice to go out into the bush without having to worry about getting stalked by anything.
We'd be happy to send you some Mountain Lions. And Sport hunters.
Yeah, by now we have finally learnt how stupid that idea is. We have tried in the past to introduce species to control another species. It always backfires horrendously. Our species have zero adaptations to deal with such predators. They would become a serious invasive pest on their own. Keep your mountain lions. We don't need more problems. We also have our own sport hunters. Australia is huge, and many areas have extremely low populations. Sport hunting just cannot take out enough. The government has even employed shooters to help in reserves, but it's never enough.
What an excellent export product
I would I eat venison once a week if I could find it- QLD
If we were aloud on to hunt.
I've seen lots of deer around the urban areas of the gold coast.
Around the long grass areas near Carrara Markets to be more specific.
The ONLY thing making the problem "complicated" are the politicians trying to work out how to make a buck out of it.
😂
if farmers let hunters onto their properties then they wouldent have such a problem and look at all the revenue made by hunters going after deer in small towns so having them as game animals makes sence not to mention the health benifits and emotional well been,pigs,horses,foxes and dogs are a bigger problem than deer.
It'd be a great way for farmers to make some extra income too. They could set up some facilities for hunters to stay & maybe even guide them & do it all for a daily rate. The deer are a problem on so many properties yet so few farmers will even allow hunters to set foot on their land which really sucks when you live in a state like Queensland that only allows hunting on private property.
Ive been hunting on my cousins property for the last 30 years and it’s only within the last 5 months I discovered deer on his property.
Pilliga scrub area
You need to fix driving on the wrong side of the road first. Then worry about the deer.
The picture they showed of a Rusa deer was just a whitetail
I won hundred percent disagree with the waste of the meat I would never do that
Why would you scramble the Rusa Deer picture ??
Do they have great lawyers that threatened to sue ??
I cant believe i just listened to this-
Me either
Hilldog TV I can't believe it either mate if the powers that be opened up more areas to hunting more animals could be harvested and if every state had the same regs it would help a lot.
Farmers complain they have to shoot them every day then say no to hunters who ask to shoot on the property
Exactly! Or they charge them a fee. Those farmers need to stop winging
I've seen guys who call themselves hunters that I wouldn't trust to operate a pointy stick let alone shoot on a property where I owned anything I didn't want ruined. It's the few who ruin it for the many.
Pay me to help manage your problems but I'm not gonna kill everything in my path because I'm a hunter and I'm also a animal lover too...
There are various Alternative, HUNTING and Declaring as a PEST is not a SOLUTION. I REQUEST NO ONE SHOULD PROMOTE THIS.They are ecological Balance.
@@RISHABHJAIN-sc8nt do you have an other solution to replace hunting?
In an alternate universe a Deer is complaining about shooting humans
It would be nice to get a balanced view of the situation. The view being presented is not a consensus. There is another pro deer point of view and it is barely represented at all except in the comments. Many families benefit from the hunting harvest every year. How many? I don’t know, the benefits are not really mentioned here.
You could make that claim about any feral animal, never mind that for 1 story of someone benefiting, there's a thousand of harm.
to the deer farmer I say, "It's time for you to find something else to raise. Removing and controlling a destructive and invasive pest, while at the same time providing an abundant source of lean, clean protein is clearly more important than supporting a small niche industry. Especially when the niche industry in question is partly responsible for the problem that is decimating the country's/continent's natural environment." #oneplanetforall
Wouldn’t mind having that herd at 3:12 wander onto my property!
Imagine what 3 shooters could do with 2 rounds each. Twofers and threefers.
Deer numbers are too high in many countries where they are native due to the hunting lobby. Protecting them in Australia where they are not native doesn't make sense.
The hunters also wiped out the predators that used to control the population of deer.
SSAA farm assist if you have a problem with deer, id love to come grab some
Australia 🦌 leader :)
Here in canada you'll never hear about deer being a problem, , he have hunters here
After reading and watching several stories of ferals in Australia, no one there should have a problem getting meat. I can't for the life of me understand how come these deer are not all over East Texas. It's crazy how the fallow deer took over this country. Wishing I was there to cull some. Goats and camels too I guess.
People are ferrels
There is plenty of hunting organisations like ADA, SSAA, etc who could solve these problems at properties in a single weekend!
A well organised and efficient cull could be done at almost no expense to the farmers (maybe put on a barbecue for lunch!).
As a hunter I travel hundreds of km each way sometimes just to shoot a single animal. I'm sure hunters will be stoked to knock a few over, closer to home and help someone out.
This whole issue is going to need to be addressed at both state and federal level now some of these areas have been fire effected and crops are extremely limited.
A potentially abundant supply of pet food if the human consumption rules are too difficult to adhere to
Having done fearl pest control before and talking to other shooters about it, a LOT of hunters can't make the step beyond the 'majesty' or 'nobility' of a stalk and shoot 1 on 1. When you talk to them about "kill them all" they often become enraged at my "bloodthirsty" and "wasteful " attitude. This is why we have millions of pigs, goats, deer, camels, even horses destroying the countryside while we are left wondering who will fix it for us. Hard hoofed animals don't belong here. Domestic sheep and cattle are bad enough. Ask the Kiwis how happy they are with the devestation of their mountain forests by introduced deer.
I want to see that cows native Australia paperwork
Lol yeah
Good way to annoy hunters ABC most people in Australia don’t even no there are deer in Australia. Or give a crap about them . But the hunting population do . If you want to no about a animal ask the people that hunt them . We spend a huge amount of time studying them to become successful.
The ironic thing is that cows are also introduced...
I definitely wouldn't mind going to Australia for some deer hunting,one day I will have to!Espically to get a nice rusa stag.
PEOPLE IN THE CITY WILL BUY THE VENISON.
Done watching feral camels,horses,cats and watching deers in Australia. Later will watch feral goats,donkey ,buffalo etc.