Why Everyone Hates Hwoarang In TEKKEN 8
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
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What do you guys think about Hwoarang In this game? And which characters do you want to see me cover next in a video?
Make one about Nina´s cancels and her string pressure!
As a Hwoarang main and still learning, (I know most of his move list), even though he is a pressure character Hwoarang doesn’t have defensive tools so you have to put pressure on him FIRST before he puts pressure on you.
Another thing, Hwoarang mains have to learn to choose our battles and not do everything in flowcharts all the time through RFS!!!! Yes it’s a game changer and very aggressive UNTIL you run into somebody that knows his RFS is one of his most vulnerable stances in the game which can be exploited big time!!! Hwoarangs need to learn to mixup up and not go into flamingo all the time and learn how to actually play and flow with the pace of the game. Many people don’t know but Hwoarang has bad matchups especially will all female characters on the roster because he is so linear. Just my two cents.
I despise this character. Even when I win it feels stressful and there’s no joy
king is worse...hworang has style, looks cool. king is just cancer
@@Chris_Da_Princehwoarang doesn’t have strong defensive move options since when 😭😭😭😭
id rather fight 10 hwoarangs back 2 back than fight a single alisa
I agree
Alisas not that hard to deal with, with Hwoarang you get hit Even if you duck 😂
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-bruh thinks hwoarang is the only character with mids
literally why
Exactly bro has johnny cage (mk1) mix ups 😂😂😂 if youre on the wall youre cooked for the most part @@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
Law still worse imo as a raven main... And not the best of them . a casual average raven player
I hate Hwoarang because it doesnt even feel good to win against him. Even if i win i dont think "Hell yeah i kicked his ass!" I think " THANK GOD it's over!"
Exactly 😂
I be gettin one read on his high in the middle of his 20 hit strings or I get that one lucky low parry to win the match 😭 it rlly be frustrating
I've definitely felt that before lol
There's truly no counterplay if you ask me, because the whole character is just 50/50 coin tosses. I know to sidestep left but I still get caught by moves that track.
@@KoEnder only real counter play is to learn the character like he’s your main 😭 and even then u MIGHT be able to win
I do like Hwoarang but to say he isn’t a pain in the ass to deal with would be a lie
Yeah but I in fact prefer to deal with aggressive characters lile Hwo than turtles and keep out characters like lee, or evasive and gimmicky bs luke yoshi or ling. They are naturally beaches unlike Hwo who has his philosophy
At least he's super fun to play
@@Boogard not for the oponent lol
His character in story is what I like. His fighting style is completely broken
@@a.eb.a1507talking facts 🗣️🗣️👏👏👏
For me its the feeling of unfairness. He doesnt have to learn my character to win but i have to spend hours trying to learn him and its not even gonna be fun? Like bruh
This technically applies to everyone. You think they don't need to know the matchup, but they do. The reason ur losing to him is cause it's usually easier for Hwo players to apply pressure when none of u know the matchup.
So u spend the entire match not getting to do much cause u don't know what to duck or sidestep. And he spends the entire match not needing to worry about defense, cause his pressure isn't being countered.
This isn't Hwo players not needing to know the matchup, but rather them not being put in a situation where they have to know it, since u don't even get a chance to apply ur own characters pressure. This is mostly true for low level Hwo players, since higher up you will definitely need to learn it.
@riceyboi7069 this is what i mean tho. Hwo players will cruise through lower ranks without having to learn a matchup while others will have to learn them day 1. Then hwo players after reaching that rank breakpoint where they have to learn matchups, they say their chara ter is weak or is super hard.
Its the fact that they have to learn matchups is what makes them think this character isnt annoying to play against.
@@cloudjin893 fair
@@riceyboi7069you gotta be a hwo main cause you defending him way to hard I didn’t have to learn the “matchup” to the point of labing every character but I gotta do it for hwo and that still doesn’t deal with his high damage quick execution and brain dead strings yes he has some just frame moves as do damn near everyone but people don’t do that
@@Asura825 lmao nah, I'm a Jin main. And his just frame sky rocket is one of his most important moves. Trust me, he isn't that scary when u know the matchup. Ducking him isn't as hard as u think, just takes some time. It's not easy, but it's possible.
Also, even if I did main Hwo, that doesn't change the fact that at some point both you and the Hwo player will need to know matchups if u wanna keep climbing. Like I said, the lower Hwo players don't learn matchups cause they braindead flowchart u to death. Higher up tho? They can't flowchart against good players, and need to play unpredictably/also know the match up.
My whole point was at the higher ranks, u learning the matchup will eventually get u further than a Hwo who has reached his limit cause his flowchart has gaps and highs that ppl know to duck/interrupt and keep him honest.
a character that requires extensive knowledge to counter piloted by a player throwing out random bullshit, wonderful
That's 1/3rd of Tekkens roster that's why I I play sf now
@@JobeLovoweak
Welcome to tekken lmao
@@monkeplaysgames7049 I just don't like how cheesy it is
@JobeLovo it is all cheesy and so is SF.
Everything is mix in every type of game too.
The comparison to a Dark Souls boss is really apt. However big difference is there is no satisfaction to winning against Hwoarang. Just emptiness.
So... Exactly like a Dark Souls boss. They're as cheap as Hwoarang is.
Exactly like dark souls.
I feel hollow after beating him too
I dislike fighting against Hwoarang because his animations are not intuitive. Most other characters you can guess if he's plus frame or minus therefore you can guess that it's time to punish or not. But against Hwoarang often it may look like he's minus 12 but when u jab it's a frame trap.
This 100% is my issue. Most things that are plus, look plus on most characters. With hwoa you just have to know.
How do you guess?
@@thestrika You can visually see your animation after blocking compared to their animation after you block their attack. Whoever completes the animation first then it's plus. But Hwoa can sometimes immediately attack even when his feet has not been fully retracted back. It's a real knowledge check and study check.
As a Hwoarang main oscillating between Bushin and tekken king, let me say that when i face someone with a minimum knowledge of hwoarang i might be fucked up.
Knowing when to duck and sidestep at the right time make me struggle to win, that's the character weakness
Same here, against those people you can forget doing the punch in his pressure, they just duck and launch you everytime
That’s when you follow up with the launch or straight d344
tekken 8 is my first tekken game ive actually put more than 10 hours in, and when my friend mained him back in 7, i thought i already hated him. now in 8 after making it to purple ranks, you can tell the difference between a good and bad hwoarang. bad hwoarangs have real openings in their moves. good hwoarangs feel like their turn never ends
Wow first Tekken game, 10 hours in and already purple rank? Gotta say I'm impressed. What character you play?
Posting this right before Kwiss started streaming is devious
Currently labbing against him rn and yes, his movelist and frames is giving me mental damage
It is ALOT to take in
How are you labbing? What’s the process
@@Tekkenandgaming well for Hwoarang, u would look for strings that gives him huge plus frames and what he usually like to follow up with after those plus frames and find ways to counter it, learn what strings/moves are punishable and learn to punish them accordingly and practice sidesteping moves he used to approach u at range
@@shinji1465 thanks, now before i lab him myself i want to ask which side is his weak side to side steps?
@@Tekkenandgaming generally u would sidestep left against him but if he is in his stance then u would sidestep the direction that his body is facing
To be fair Hwoarang is probably the most gifted Tekken new comer if we are being honest the man is like chun li never truly broken but never bad enough to seem fair lol
Chun was definitely 100% broken in 3s but I see your point
Everyone hates everyone in Tekken8
No
@@FastAkiraYes.🤣🤣
For real! I would even argue that they hate more female characters that are obnoxious to them e.g Xiaoyu, Zafina, Alisa.
That's what makes Tekken special!!!!🎉
You'd have to be a different kind of ignorant to hate on Kaz players. Those guys are too honest for this game
I dont think he is the most hated. He is my favorite opponent. Every time he shows up I sit up straight scoot my chair up, I straighten up my keyboard and then I turn up the music. When or Lose this character is fun with my Bruce Law its all action. So, to all you Hwoarang players out there I salute you ! I got nothing but love and respect for you. THE WOLFIGHTER!
1:55 man sorry but this being a just frame doesn’t mean its hard or he is a harder character. I never play Hwoarang and I can do it perfectly 20 time in a row. What makes a character harder to play is how hard it can be to get through opponents defense. And obviously Hwoarang is so easy to cheese with and so hard to counter + how psychologically this character destroy the opponent.
Early level hwoarang players can mash and not know what they're pressing and kick ass. But higher level Hwoarang that doesn't work every button they press they know what they're doing even if it looks like spam. I know for a fact he is one of the harder characters to master in higher level gameplay.
Biggest problem with him is that your forced to understand the character yourself to beat him, which isn’t for most characters. Most characters you can see moves and go “oh Ig that plus or oh Ig I can punish with this” with whorang a lot of him buttons just looked similar to one that isn’t in the know and just becomes absurd to fight. I hate whorang cause ik the most of them are not putting in as much effort in beating me as I am in beating them.
Emphasis on “Whorang” 😂😂
gotta teach me how to be one of these whorangs cause hwoarang does not seem to me as a top 10 strongest chars tbh because everything i do is predictable and low damage but it could be me being bad
@@FC-mz2lk I never said he’s too 10, he’s probably just decently above average tbh. But like E. Honda in street fighter 6, you don’t have to be top tier to be annoying.
Sidestepping is very strong vs Hwoarang in tekken 8. no pmode grind needed for it, sidestepping blows up most Hwoarang players
Hello there mr. Basuka. This young thundercats may not know you are one of those Hwos given them headaches.
As a hwo main, i would be lying if i say i dont let out a sigh when i see hwos face in the prematch screen
I definitely agree that people should force themselfs to try and learn him because it really makes dealing with the character so much easier
The thing I hate is the amount of plus frames he’s on
Absolutely 💯
What does plus frames mean?
@@Herobrinetv57he can’t be punished on it
@Herobrinetv57 moves that are safe on block
I found understanding the matchup pretty simple. The only tricky part is understanding the hwo player in a few games. One game a hwo will use lows and highs every chance he gets from rf, another will play safe options by picking mids and try lock you down with rff options.
I learned to play the character myself because im a psycho who likes to learn lots of character. The character is designed to be string heavy because he doesnt have good defensive options. One good read or sidestep and hwo gets launched since you need to have a flowy offence between stances.
Playing a character is the easiest way to understand a character. But the interesting thing i realized is that most hwos pick a way to play the character and dont adapt until like kishin or bushin since these people in these ranks actually know the match up.
Hwo isnt an easy character, but he does carry because of the lower rank players lack of interest to understand the character, which i understand.
this is probably one of the most level headed vids for hwoarang ive seen sick to see someone putting in the work to learn abt him🙏🏽
Hwoarang is for players that like to play with themselves , people that don’t like sharing nothing with you.
It’s about me me me me me me
And they get frustrated if you remove that from them
Quite accurate - I’ve noticed Hwo players are easy to frustrate and they get super salty if you keep interrupting them…. The most common rage quitters I encounter are Hwoarangs and Nina’s.
@@Skeksi_Mani've also noticed every hwo player i met fell for A LOT of every frame trap moves i throw at them too which pretty much confirm they just mash mash mash their way and hope the opponents doesnt know how to counter them lol
@@dohnaseek yeah you can almost guarantee it - they’ll eat frame traps all day long. I fought one recently with my Paul and he kept eating D1+2 after QCF 1 and D1+2 after DF4. Literally the entire match all I had to do was that and he couldn’t grasp why his attack was getting beaten 😂
My brother is a battle ruler hwo player and he definitely is not mashing buttons a true master at what he's doing but he is selfish and gets upset when you interrupt him while he's trying to get his "Perfect" on you lol 🤣😆
@@MrSilentsmoker713 yeah even the good ones can be very immature and like to throw a tantrum when they get interrupted and can’t run their strings. My Feng hovers between Tekken King & Tekken emperor and the Hwo players still act the same way even at this level
Oh boi, the Hwoarang community and Boo saga continues
I was pretty nice this time lol 😂
I love that everyone hates playing against my main
Hwoarang players should unite together
Same🤣
Hwo players unite 🤝
We do lol@@Ikhsanratdith
Yo Boogard, hope you're doing well. I am really enjoying your videos. Keep it up!
I didn't know you need a PhD to spam Low, mid, low, high, low, mid, mid, high, low, high, mid, low, mid, high, mid, low.
The annoying part about Hwo is the timing and infinite number of alternative sequences: low,high mid high,high,mid,low mid,high high,mid high low,high etc. and that's not even accounting for stance pressure, power crush and heat/rage 😂
Nailed it as usual. Definitely need to learn the matchup to stand a chance. The usual default strategy when you don’t know what to do of holding back, you will never “get a turn”
Maybe a video idea on most important characters to know the matchup of (and follow up videos on some lvl 1/2/3 defense?)
LTG: This dude's doing a ten hit combo. This dude's doing strings
Awesome content as always! Miss the live streams, having any soon?
Appreciate you as always! Yes hopefully soon
@@Boogard awesome bro, look forward to it!
I love Hwoarang, since he's quite beginner friendly, but a little harder to master. I really suck at inputting, like, you'd never in a lifetime see me do the "I'm not gonna sugarcoat it" Kazuya.
Him being more just simple directionals and most just 1 button press makes him so much more easy for me to understand and play. Besides, i suck at poke or more defensive characters, so keeping the pressure for long periods is much better for me.
Hwoarang is that mf dude😈💯
The part that drives me up the wall the most with Hwoarang, and other string based characters like Eddy, is that the offense is so effective they never learn defense. Its never rewarding to fight them because every round is a stomp in one players favor. Either they get the flowchart going and win, or they get interrupted once and dont know what to do.
thank you for the insightful video! to be honest, i main hwoarang and i feel like he's so stylish and cool while also complex and allows forr different playstyles. i know he's super tilting but i honestly have kind of leaned in to it because of the competitive edge. it's really difficult to stay calm against him. he'll always be my favorite
It's the heat system and over tracking that makes him infuriating. Nothings worse than waiting patiently for your turn. Then when you do get him on the defense. Heat activation.
The coolest parts about Hwoarang to me are his wavedash, design, animations, fight style, his personality. But I can’t bring myself to constantly press buttons to initiate my + frames and hope that the opponent doesn’t duck 😂
Hwoarang is annoying because he requires much less effort to win with than most chars, yet takes some of the most effort and knowledge just to stand a chance against. He has everything, his combos do a lot of damage, his offence is primarily just flowchart unless you really know the match up. I could go on
@@clippsz what defensive options do you mean? He can block, he can ss, he can power crush, he has b2 which evades most moves even when he is minus. I'm also not sure how whiff punishment can be predictable? If you are punishing a whiff, the opponent isnt predicting anything. His whiff punishment is very good, b3 and jfsr are some of the best whiff punishers in the game
Honestly, hwoarangs are my favorite opponents because the bad ones get frame trapped easily and just can be out played quickly. Especially when the obvious lows come out, just low parry or block and launch or the highs are coming - duck and launch 🚀
So, you telling me this character is like a Boss in a souls game and think thats alright?
Can we get a video on Yoshimitsu?
String and pressure based characters are tough because defending against their moveset and set-ups require more knowledge than being the one actively pressing the buttons.
Some characters are just tough because you never see them. First time I played a bear in T8 was my Kishin promotion match, which I got freed-up in 3-0 LOL.
If I can’t win them, I’ll learn them. It has been a game changer in terms of satisfaction
my gad this character is tier S right now. You just need to press buttons if you use him to win.
The issue with habing fast frame attacks and sometimes + on block and quick recovery its hard to punish this character and those insane power crush moves that are also fast is insanely ridiculous
I think I know how to deal with him but it's like you have to be agressive against him not every character can do that 💀 I play jin
Not exactly. If you keep him from getting his offense started you won't have to deal with the mixups. You can either create your own offense pressure or play a very good counter game (hence Steve is a bad matchup for Hwo). Both prevents him from starting his pressure. Even when he starts his pressure there are lots of weaknesses in them such as no blocking in flamingo, all his low crush being punishable and essentially stopping his offense and ending his turn, the pressure containing a lot of duckable highs, being linear, and often stuck in stance if you back off. If be commits with pressure you can power crush and he is stuck in flamingo unable to block it. Duck and dick jab or even stand jab. Of course he has options, but he's guessing as much as you are.
Yeah he is very linear as well i wanna learn Steve as well haven't seen much of Steve against Hwo
@@lonewander6772 Thank you. Finally, someone who gets it.
Great vid. 🤩
Glad you enjoyed
Im torn with hwoarang hes so cool but every time i go against him i only feel good when the match is over lol
Kicking it like Wulong with my boy
As a Bryan main I hate everyone that plays.
1v1 me i hate bryan and i am a hwoarang main so we can both learn
Can you do Xiaoyu next?
I love Hwoarang, I'm definitely not that good with him, and I'm sure get beaten a lot.
But I really like how he works, his move set, stances, animations, it's really nice to play with him.
We here baby!!!!!
THIS DUDE DOING STRINGS
Oh my God what?
I honestly never had problems against hwoarang, and I'm a newbie, I simply learned how to low parry, and he is very easy to beat just with that.
can someone teach me how to be a hated hwoarang main cause idk how to do his strings despite reaching battle ruler and i feel like one side step and i lose the game
i like that you compared hwoarang to a darksouls boss, but i wont lie it feels more fair fighting Malenia than a hwoarang🥲
My biggest issue with this DAMN character, is that you HAVE to learn the match-up to do good against him, while the ppl who use him, doesn’t have to learn the match up against you, in most cases. You’re definitely playing their game in neutral and it’s pretty annoying! This is coming from someone who actually does well against this character.
THIS DUDE IS DOING STRINGS!
I’m an extremely casual Tekken player, and have never played other than local MP. And I love Hwoarang 😂 It’s the flow and nice looking techniques
Absolutely always you criticize this character his fanboys will defend it saying "It's hard to use", that's all they say, but I will always think that's a joke, the player that has to do the real work is the player trying to defend against him, the typical Hwoarang player is just spamming non-stop strings hoping for a counter-hit or just win every round with infinite pokes, without any skill or any need to defend, defense being something so important in this game, the Hwoarang player doesn't know what is that as his game plan is to apply so much spam and pressure he doesn't have to defend at any point, and that is "hard to do"... F.... Hwoarang
Dude, I tried him out for a bit, doing those combos aint easy and I still not fully utilized his stance pressure.
There's definitely players out who played "properly" if you will. And I mean, of course he's gonna get in your face, the dude's a rushdown character. He's literally design to get up in your face because that's how he's meant to be played.
Other words, don't knock it till you try him. Maybe you'll change your mind.
everyone hates a character in every fighting game its a norm.
I'm a fujin Hwoarang and honestly, he's super fun. I'm waiting for Lydia to come out so I can be both aggressive and defensive
i want everyone to learn how to play him so you can understand how difficult he is
I sigh every time I get matched with Hwoarang. I don't rematch even when I win. It's just unenjoyable for me.
We need one for Dragunov now
THIS DUDE’S DOING STRINGS!!
-Low Tier Dale
Hwoarang & Bryan have been my mains since T3.
this vids made me love hwoarang more, nice vids tho
Picked up Hwoarang in T8 and he gives me the same fulfilment as a Lei main. Tricky, rushdown character, with very clear strengths and weaknesses. clear emphasis on deliberate practice if I want to excel at or beat the character. Your review of the character was quite accurate 👌🏽
I learned to play against him in T7 after being demolished 100 times
Most people dont like to go out of their way to learn counterplay, some dont have too much time, some dont want to put the effort, but everyone wants to win and mash, and you cant if you dont learn him more than the average character
Why i personaly hate him is that if dont duck his in stance jab looking move ,i will never get my turn back ,other string based characters ends their turn in one string ,hwo will never stop if i dont know exactly when i have to stop him ,yes that jab looking move is high ,but you cant duck and launch it ,d34 was risk free glad they finaly nerfed it ,every engage option is plus ,so if you fail to step it you have to eat the mix
When we talk about broken we talk about 1 person picking up 1 character to an avg/above avg level vs someone else doing the same w their character. .. As this is how casuals will play. But pros will lab their character against all others and memorize shii like they dont got a life outside these games... Big ups to them... I just barely remember some strings w some characters... Mind you im a casual on tekken and novice on FGs... Bit hitting Elder God multiple times on MK1 without YT combos(im against YT combos as youll tell by my raven gameplay 😂😂) but some characters hwoarang... Will be broken. Bc those players will have access to his mixups and movelist... While anyone fighting him now has to lab their own and lab hwoarang...
So for me broken on a casual level comes down to ease of pickup/ease of learning vs your opponent ...
As a new player, I like Eddys because almost all the ones I've played against only press 2 buttons and don't know anything else so it's easy to punish. I have a harder time against Hwoarang with so many different looking strings/timings though
Funny enough my mentor the way he plays him is fun to fight the character i use to fight his Hwoarang i use Lee and its so much fun, because im also learning lee
When you play Hwoarang you put a lot of time into learning him, sure, but you're learning Hwo not Tekken, not matchups, not reactive. You're just playing it as though there isn't another player.
Eddy is the one character I will FOREVER hate it feels like a chore fighting him
As a Hwoarang main myself, I can guarantee that I piss off a lot of players just by playing Hwoarang and spamming the moves over and over again, which is why I switched to being a Kazuya main instead.
I’ve honestly always found Hwaorang a cool design from the first time I played Tekken 3 when I was a kid, played him a good amount in T3 and T6 when I played again, am currently fresh to T8 (currently playing a mix of Reina and Lili) and honestly don’t really mind playing against anyone in T8 other than Alisa and Feng so far tho it probably is a skill issue from not playing since T6 and playing casually in my free time.
WHEN IS IT MY TURN!?
Id rather fight hwoarang than victor or king
Nahhh I’d rather fight king or Victor any day of the week
long overdue
Throws were naturally stronger in Tekken tag 2 and previous entries. Everyone technically had a throw game and the break windows were shorter. But beginner counter play against Hwo would be to low jab interrupt his chains from time to time. Blocking his mid options tend to end his pressure. Though for some reason they gave Hwo a plus on block mid low crushing option in T8 which lessens the commitment on his mids. Once they are conditioned with the low jab interruption, watch and block the incoming mid. Though low rank Hwo will just keep eating the low jabs so feel free to do it every time. Other than that, side step/walk his approach since his pressure starters are quite linear. These simple tactics will get you quite far in the matchup for beginner and mid level.
Edit: I lowballed the fuck out of the roster count, it’s 33 soon to be 34, my bad
This video is gonna be my go to for why Whorang is so damn annoying to fight, your Victor video did a great job of showing his BS and so on, but also showing how he’s legit minus on 90% of his kit, and how he hurts for lows and struggles against some things, but this is legit just “you gotta learn how to play him” which is my biggest issue with the character.
I don’t mind labbing a character, hell I’ve done it in plenty of other fighting games (Fighterz, Guilty Gear, and Street Fighter) but with Whorang you have to learn every single in and out of a characters kit cause he is plus on LITERALLY EVERYTHING and has options out of his options, as a newcomer to Tekken that’s where my issue lies.
I will learn him, but it’s kinda mad annoying to have to open up a whole ass character guide to learn how to deal with one character out of a roster of 27 characters (soon to be 28) I will “get gud” but I’m seriously not gonna enjoy it. So far he’s the only character I’ve had to do this with, cause every other character has fucking MINUS FRAMES. I play a buddy of mine who I meat through Tekken 8 and he plays Whorang from time to time, (usually when I’ve won a few more sets then him) no true full knowledge of the character just using what he knows from a old friend of his, and it feels like each time I figure out how to deal with some of his, and let’s be honest here, straight up bullshit, he has some other option that will get me killed for trying the solution to the prior one, he is the nastiest hard to read 50/50 machine of any fighter I’ve played
I managed to have a good WR against Hwoa in T7 cause I had a super long reach character that could keep him away easily.
Now I don't have this character anymore, and he can jump at me from fullscreen and immediately goes + on block AND heat engage at the same time cause why not.
I have to agree with everyone here, win or lose, playing against this guy is just raw pain.
Perfect timing, I was just playing ranked and got robbed and cheesed out several times by Hwoarangs.
It's tough out there
Before we hate someone, figure out first have we trained enough and master our main's mechanics?
There are people out there that think Yoshi is broken. One of the hardest characters to use without doing the same 3 things every single match
I wont lie i never learned hwoarang i just parry the end of his strings. I know its cheap but what do you expect from a leroy player
The minute a Hwoarang player start getting smoke they start spamming his endless strings never fails desperation at its finest.
What about wall to wall Lee?
Go for it but for me I’ll wait till the game is complete.
My problem with harowang is the player behind the controller, same with Alisa. They seem to be just absolutely toxic and employ goblin tactics. Going as far as plugging, spamming their good stuff, and generally being disrespectful in higher ranked. At least with eddy they don't act like they own the joint.
do a video on dragonov
I think calling it "lazyness" is a bit unfair when there's so many characters where you have to put in that work. On top of learning basic things like throw breaks or how your own character works, etc.
The issues I have with Hwo in T8 have more to do with the overall balancing and design of T8.
First being the Heat Mechanic, it's such an annoying gimmick to have moves that are homing/armored/mid/safe that are ALSO Heat Engagers or buffed in Heat. It's just not fun.
And some of the issues around balancing the system itself or just generic bugs.
One time I used Leroy's d/b1+2 parry on Hwoarang, and even though it parried his punch, my attack just whiffed and I got blown up for it.
That same match I used my Power Crush to beat his string, and he literally did a punch into a tech throw which completely froze my Power Crush.
So even the system mechanics have been inconsistent in doing what they're supposed to do. Which just adds to the frustration.
Literally all you need to do to beat hworang is duck and low parry and utilize your low frame attacks.
See the thing about hwoarang is that, He pisses me off but the fault is with me for not learning the matchup. That doesn’t mean he’s not annoying though😭 everyone loves to say, “he struggles with finding a way getting in! Just be patient, play slow and wait for the hwoarang to come to you and punish a mistake!” I’m like okay cool but when I let him “get in” I GET KICKED FOR 10 minutes and I don’t know what to do!! I’ll also be honest I when I first started I thought hwoarang players wore just mashers but I learned oh the character is actually really hard to play, like at that point I just gotta respect it. What I hate about him the most is his string pressure, because the game is literally like “you are gonna sit here and learn the 10 different strings he has in his 5 different stances and you’re gonna like it” like at least with other stance characters movement is usually the answer, but with his strings I really gotta sit there and learn when to crouch and stuff. I’m obviously complaining a bit but at the end of the day it’s on me to learn the match up and I will! And of course respect to any hwoarang players cuz that character is really hard. Screw that character though LMAO
Hwoarang ain't too bad. It feels bad if you don't know the match-up, but to be honest every character has knowledge checks that require skill. It feels way worse to fight against a Feng, king, or Dragunov imo. If you haven't already you should do a video on why people hate KIng in T8 as he is imo the easiest character to get into T8 with. Grabs are very OP. His armor moves do stupid damage as counter hits that leaves no gray health at all and his throws basically act as combos. With people not knowing how to break grabs and grabs being giga buffed King basically will carry anyone that puts like an hr or two to learn his moves to red ranks.